Chelsea Banter Archive January 20 2019

20 Jan 2019 22:59:58
Since I put a post last night about what needs to change last night two people have copied me with similar posts 🤣🤣 guess I'm not doing too bad considering I'm a negative supporter 🤷🏼‍♂️.

20 Jan 2019 23:08:21
Lol whatever Frank you have achieved so much.

21 Jan 2019 04:30:34
Salty.

20 Jan 2019 20:55:45
If Hazard leaves in the summer we need to replace him with a marquee signing it's got to be someone like Griezmann. I'd like to see someone like Fekir brought in now and James recalled for Zappacosta and I'd be brave with this line up.

4-2-3-1:

Kepa

James Rüdiger Luiz Emerson

Kanté Ampadu

Hudson-Odoi Fekir Hazard

Higuain

I'm the summer I'd aim for either Chilwell for LB as he's homegrown or Mendy of Lyon. Griezmann for Hazard and another striker maybe Jovic of Frankfurt.

20 Jan 2019 21:07:50
Love the look of that team king Kante and players in it Chilwell is a great shout although I do feel Emerson deserves a fair go for the spot before we buy someone
Ampadu and Kanté could be class in there together
Cho also deserves some more game time as teams should be done on form and our singers aren’t on form imo.

20 Jan 2019 21:25:22
Cheers mate if Hazard did leave and we could bring Griezmann in or someone like Pepe we could also revert Hudson-Odoi back to the left so we have a balanced team. I think there’s way too many right footers in this squad that’s why we’re so predictable going forward.

20 Jan 2019 21:44:53
James has 1/ 2 season of championship football under his belt. Why oh why do we big these players up so much. We’ve done it with Josh, Tammy, Mount, CHO. Yes James, Mount haven’t had the chance too but can we honestly say they are good enough for a club like us? Josh had a lot of potential and did nothing with it, Tammy shines in Championship, but can he do it week in week out in the prem? Not sure to be honest. Can Chelsea afford to give him a shot at being number 1 - no let’s be honest. Managers don’t have time. If we bought in someone and said right, you’ve got 3 years no matter what, I want you to start playing the academy boys then that’s the ONLY way we are going to see if the boys are good enough as they won’t get a proper shot as managers don’t get enough time and then it’s sacking and new man coming in.

Hope this makes sense lol.

20 Jan 2019 21:52:47
That does Adam and that is what’s needed all we are saying is if our so called first teamers aren’t performing why not throw in a youngster he’ll only sink or swim, teams should be picked on form not on who they are that’s what I’m saying. I completely understand your view mate and it’s completely valid.

20 Jan 2019 21:53:36
Oh be quiet Adam you’re always shouting you’re mouth on here.

20 Jan 2019 22:26:32
Bit rude KK. No idea what your on about shouting my mouth though. It’s true tho, you’re obsessed with us producing the next JT from the academy. Not one youth player who we’ve sold have we gone on to regret. And they don’t get a chance to prove themselves. Yet you want to judge them on 1/ 2 season. 🙄. In the league below 🙄🙄.

20 Jan 2019 22:46:12
Also how do people shout in here? It’s a reading forum isn’t it? Unless everything is in capitals which my replies clearly aren’t. Ahh unless you’re listening to what’s being read as you have sight issues then fair enough, but you may want to turn the volume down, maybe that way you’ll realise I’m not shouting my mouth off. 👍🏼.

20 Jan 2019 23:06:30
I don’t shout for youth one bit. I’m one of the few who thinks Mount is average and I don’t rate Christensen. James, Ampadu and Odoi look good mentally and having that is key to make it at world class level. I’m not saying they will be but they’re better than the rest IMO. Azpilicueta is a bang average full back in this system people need to realise this he’s not balanced enough. Brilliant defensively but poor offensively. Even though it’s the championship Janes has been a beast. The championship is a physical league that’s why Mounts been poor. James and Ampadu look like players who leave it all on the pitch and that’s what we’re missing. Not ladyboys like Jorginho and Willian.

20 Jan 2019 23:10:14
You’ve always got to laugh at someone’s post get some respect. There’s to many players in this side who think they’re ten times the player they are. Sarri needs to be brutal like Pep was he got rid of Hart, Zabaleta and Yaya to move forward. Look at City now. Sarri should do the same but he’s being too stubborn when he’s got better players on the bench and I’m worried it’ll end up like Scolari and he ten times the squad we’ve got now. Azpi, Alonso, Willian and Jorginho need to be scarified or benched. How many shocking games does it take to drop a player?

21 Jan 2019 07:19:42
Let’s just give you the managers job, scouts job, recruitment job! 🙄. Best to 🤐 rather then respond to you as will only end in tears.

20 Jan 2019 14:26:50
We have to support Sarri as we cannot go through many more managers at the rate we do. However, he is coming across as completely intransigent with only one way of playing and granted he may not have the players he wants to play his style, he has to make good with what he currently has and he is not. Already, the players are to blame when his fixation with his set up and substitutions are clearly not working and sad to say his obsession with Jorghino may well cost him and the team; Jorghino is not good enough for us and the Premiership is a bridge too far. Granted you need time to adjust but the amount of ball he has had and it is half way through the season and not one assist and the tempo he sets is almost static. Sarri-ball is a myth, it is possession football which Guardiola employs and whilst they have an end product we do not; to date I see nothing special in Sarri at all.
Hazard is playing like a man with the weight of the crowds expectation on his shoulders and when it is clear that we are not working he is disappearing from the game and unless we produce something out of the hat he will leave in the summer. I would drop Jorghino, bring Kante back to where he belongs and as much as he irritates me, give Loftus-Cheek a chance in the middle with Kovacic (personally I would not sign him at the end of the season, we could do better with goal potential) on the left. I have to agree with others, time to drop/ rest Alonso and give Emerson a run, he's quick, crosses well, runs with the ball nicely and most of all he gets back into defensive position better than Alonso. We all know a target man is essential and on the assumption Higuian is coming put Hazard on the left where he wants to be and rotate Hudson-Odoi with Pedro for pace. We all know what happens at the club when managers starting criticising players to the extent Sarri did yesterday, we go backwards fast.

20 Jan 2019 16:34:16
Simply compare pep and Klopps first seasons and I think 4th on the last day with that city squad and Klopp I think was 7th or 8th, I agree he needs time, and his players. On the other hand. Emerson could get a chance, it’s good his shown faith in a struggling player but gone on long enough and also will he except that jorginho isn’t cut out for this league? He needs a few windows and we can judge him, Sao notes everything he said was bang on yesterday, but will need to take some responsibility, that arsenal side conceded 5 to Liverpool, lost to West Ham and we had 1 shot on target,

20 Jan 2019 16:50:19
I agree with a lot of what your saying but criticising the players is correct. It’s about time the players took some responsibility for the awful performances of late. Regarding pep and city let’s not forget city were already a really strong team and he was as given 2-3 transfer windows and as far as I know was backed 100% to purchase players that he wanted not who the board decide. It’s quite simple really purchase players the manager picks as he knows they suit the way he wishes to play (it also helps when you spend half a billion in two years) . When sarri joined we were a team lacking in confidence and unhappy at playing a certain brand of football. We also had a World Cup and certain players who did not want to be here. Overall we are where I would expect us to be but we desperately have to give the manager 100% control for once. We know sarri likes attacking football which is what the fans and the owner want to see so back him, give him the players he wants and stop trying to put square pegs in round holes. A slight concern is how willian and alonso keep starting even though performances haven’t been great. We desperately need to give CHO game time, he has the potential to be a huge star and if we sell him now we will only be back in for him in 5 years for £150m as this seems to be the Chelsea way. Let’s not make the same mistakes as we have with de bruyne, salah, Lukaku etc.

20 Jan 2019 17:39:02
Are two best players are playing out of position and you want to blame them manager every time doesn’t no what to do.

20 Jan 2019 17:39:26
Difference between pep and Sarri is pep knows a good player when he sees one. If he was manager of this side he’d have dropped Willian and Alonso a long time ago.

21 Jan 2019 01:29:30
Difference between Sarri and Pep is Pep rejected us because we needed a squad overhaul that he wasn't guaranteed to get (amongst other things) . Cut it whatever way you like we're a poisoned chalice for managers and they're setup to fail before they begin. So Sarri plays youth and drops Willian and Alonso, watch the player revolt ending in him getting sacked for losing the locker room, Willian did it with Conte, Hazard with Mourinho. It's got to stop, we need a squad overhaul it's as simple as that but the board have had soo much change and no lack of long term direction that we're now stuck with an aging squad that requires significant investment and a board that's hesitant to do it. It will happen but it will take time, this team has the foundations of being great but is still a far cry away from being great and a far cry away from past Chelsea teams. Patience!

20 Jan 2019 10:00:45
Ed001, do you think Sarri will play Kante in defensive mid or do you think he’ll be stubborn and continue to play him out of position? Jorginho was completely overrun once again in midfield against arsenal and I hate to have to agree with Ferdinand’s comments but Jorginho has been straight awful. Would you be able to do a player profile on Jorginho if time allows? Thanks mate.

{Ed001's Note - Sarri is stubborn, I can't see him changing. Yes mate Jorginho is on the list, you already requested him. Sorry obviously taking me so long to get round to him you had forgotten!}

21 Jan 2019 04:24:05
Haha no worries ed, didn’t see a reply on the last one where I requested Jorginho so wasn’t sure if you had seen it. Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - ah ok I must have forgotten to reply to it sorry.}

20 Jan 2019 07:53:56
Sarri came out and said the players are difficult to motivate. Both Mourinho and Conte said the same thing about, what is pretty much, the same squad of players.

Definitely time to back the manager and build a new squad that is based on their football.

20 Jan 2019 08:41:58
Ive said the same J. there's been a backclash from fans here who need to see the bigger picture.

20 Jan 2019 09:10:16
Play the right players in the right position and give players that deserve ago a run keeps saying it’s hard to motivate but plays same system same players.

20 Jan 2019 10:26:46
Also you can't pinpoint the manager as the problem here. Its a collective issue which involves the players because they play, the manager because he picks them and the board for poor past signings which they are trying to correct the issue now.

But we need to back the manager here. In my opinion we need to start getting replacements or cover for the following;

- both fullback positions. Neither are good at playing possession based football. Azpi is terrific for a defensive manager and will continue to be so.

- midfielder who scores and creates. We have one in RLC who is injured. Barkley and Kovacic don't have the cutting edge to assit or score despite playing more advanced. I would love Coutinhio. Obviously a replacement to rest Jorhinho is needed too.


- Central defender to replace luiz in the future, Luiz has been superb for us. He will go down as a great at the bridge. Deserves so much credit. Sarri needs him long term.


- Cover attacking players. Cover for pulisic, hazard and CHO because Willian and Pedro may leave and are aging anyway. Not enough goals from willians and pedro anyway. I suspect Hazard will leave and god knows what the situation is with CHO. This may be an area of complete transformation. A lot depends on outgoings here.

- Strikers. As a club we have been so hit and miss here. Drogba and Costa are the two successes of recent times.

Big recruitment needed at the bridge. Its not an overnight resolution. It will take many windows to fix. Even if you replace the manager the above issues need addressing. Cudos to all the above for being fantastic and making us the most successful team in the last 5 years or so. However, thebolayers are all reaching 30's and some have advanced.

This will be sorted. Have faith


fullbacks, a strong defender to replace Luiz in the future. Goal scoring midfielder and a striker.

20 Jan 2019 11:37:55
As an outsider looking in (LFC), are much of Sarri’s difficulties with the lack of a top striker not the consequence of the late and poor recruitment last Summer?
Whilst I guess he had some input into the Summer purchases (Jorginho), I’d understood that Chelsea’s transfer process was placed with others?
It feels like he’s carrying the can for the problems elsewhere in the club?

20 Jan 2019 12:27:46
It’s the managers job to motivate players make them enjoy an believe it what there doing am watching it and I don’t believe in the why we’re playing and definitely not enjoying it. Think about it Kante the trophies he’s won while being here not just team trophies individual ones from playing in his best position but Sarri doesn’t think that’s his best position so how do u motivate Kante to play in a position he’s not great in hazard loves to be on the ball and attack Sarri puts him up front on his own as a false 9 we’re he hardly sees the ball and there is a forward on bench doing nothing and let me point out hazard and Giroud have good chemistry as well when they play together so how do you make hazard believe that what Sarri is doing is right you don’t because it’s not. And these changes are all to suit Jorginho a player with 2000 touches and 0 chances created how do u make anyone believe.

20 Jan 2019 19:21:55
Couldn’t agree more J,

Some fans will correctly say changing managers has given us success but I crave a period of stable management and although I didn’t want Sarri, he is now our manager so I guess we should support him although his stubbornness isn’t doing him any favours.

20 Jan 2019 21:10:42
nibby i couldn't agree with u anymore when u say about how can players be hapoy when he plays the same team week in week out and never drops players playing badly. pep dropped sane for 3 games start of season look at him. he dropped walker for a few games he's back in an flying. alonso jorginho amd willian and pedro shouldn't be near our line uo.

20 Jan 2019 21:19:16
I agree with the sentiment of your posts Nibby and Magic.

I suppose we have to reserve any criticism of Hazard until is back playing in his usual position.

20 Jan 2019 22:43:25
J, spot on mate and this was my point when I mad the argument for keeping Conte but we are were we are.

As a club we have been spoilt with natural leaders and this is a squad that sadly lacks leadership.

The manager cannot abdicate himself from all responsibility and indeed he hasn’t but the continual changes of managers has, in my opinion, to change.

I was talking to some fans yesterday who said part of the problem with Jorginho is with Hazard playing as a false nine means the central area becomes crowded. ’He is seen as our main danger and therefore it blocks an avenue for Jorginho.

It’s a reasoned argument but probably to simplistic.

I’m old fashioned, when a player has a lengthy period of poor form, just drop them. Also, I’m not a fan of playing players out of position.

20 Jan 2019 22:49:41
Juicer, we don't need your input - just let us get on with wallowing in our despair.

20 Jan 2019 03:22:58
Ed001 or Ed002, Mourinho has been speaking about not being supported in the transfer market which I completely agree with. From what I remember the first time we listened to him regarding transfers and it went well.

Did we not listen and support him as much second go around? I really want to understand what went wrong the second go, he’s my favorite ever manager and 100% belongs at Chelsea. I would take him back in a heartbeat if I’m honest.

{Ed001's Note - the club had a system in place which meant the manager was a head coach on his return and had to answer to others. It is the way it is.}

20 Jan 2019 04:46:44
Yeah, I feel we should have backed him more. Not signing his desired players and then sighing hector and Djillobodji was a joke.

20 Jan 2019 01:33:31
Didn’t finish the last post so I’ll continue.

The fullbacks are not suited to possession. Azpilicueta is poor offensively and isn’t the greatest passer. He is phenomenal defensively and is our captain therefore I’d still play him there. Alonso has been terrible. Maybe he’ll come out of form but he’s been a liability im afraid.

Luiz and Rudiger and Kepa are doing a good job in my opinion.

Massive improvements needed, after Sarris rant I hope the players don’t use their player power and force him out. They must have got scolded.

Big things needed but first and foremost the 433 is not suiting us. Kante needs to be deeper and Jorginho is not showing us why he cost us 40 million let alone why he’s even starting.

20 Jan 2019 03:28:12
I thought Jorginho was about 57 million? I agree though I think 4-2-3-1 needs to happen. I’ve said for ages Azpi isn’t great offensively he’d be a great back up but I’d even like to see Reece James given a go now. James and Chilwell would be my choice with Azpi and Emerson as back ups.

20 Jan 2019 08:46:23
Standard you have made a fair comment about our fullbacks. 100% agree. Azpi is very poor playing the possession based football. Neither have good crosses.

20 Jan 2019 00:31:15
What do people think of Sarri's Comments after the game, he was fuming. I though he was spot on, he isn't happy and not are we, he wants me and so do we, but it's not usually a good idea to slate the players, especially the likes of hazard who has never like a tough manger, could end in disaster, love Sarri passion thou. Maybe drop Jorginho and Alonso and Willian and see what spark that brings,

{Ed0333's Note - I feel Sarri was justified in his mood and choice of words. Clearly he’s no nonsense and won’t stand for any bollox.

20 Jan 2019 01:27:53
I can’t take him seriously when he picks the same XI and plays our best player out of position. The majority of the blame is his.

20 Jan 2019 03:30:55
It’s a worry that Alonso and Willian have had such a run when offer so little. And Sarri said other day how jorginho struggled.