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22 Jan 2021 15:00:47
Any truth in the Shevchenko as the new Chelsea manager? Shevchenko is currently the bookies favourite. Yet, Shevchenko has never actually managed a football club. National team only.

There is no way that it is really possible for Chelsea to finish top 4 this season. Once we are knocked out of the Champions League, will the new manager arrive or will we wait until the end of the season to make the change?

Who are the managers that the club are considering?

Return of Carlo Ancelotti?
Return of Sarri?
Allegri allegedly not wanted.
Tuchel.
Ralf Nagelsmann.
Brendan Rodgers.
Ralph Rangnick.
Deschamps.
Ralph Hasenhuttl.
Claude Makalele.

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22 Jan 2021 14:33:30
Lampard wasn't happy with some stories and articles., going st the journos, he is rattled, hopefully his anger brings out some tactical knowledge.

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22 Jan 2021 16:12:57
He certainly was angry Matt but I don’t think there was any sign of being rattled.

He is human and entitled to miffed at some of the stuff that’s written about him, his staff and players.

22 Jan 2021 14:22:29
Frank's press conferences are amazing. Loved how he reacted to Liam Twomey's question.

I don't know how you guys think but after their article right after our game with City, Frank had to put them in their place. Well done to him. 👊🏼💙.

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22 Jan 2021 15:05:56
He looked rattled to me which isn't a good thing.

21 Jan 2021 19:11:42
I don’t get the whole formation debate. Unless it’s major differences eg 5-4-1 and 4-4-2. Most formations change within games depending on whether the team is attacking or defending or transitioning etc
Pep plays 4-3-3 but his FB’s will move into the CM position at points.
At Liverpool when VVD and Gomez are in the team Fabinho will drop into the CB position at points in time so it’s a back 3 etc
So the whole debate about 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 is really mostly semantics. I get that everyone wants to get the best out of Havertz in the no10 role and therefore higher up the pitch but when defending he needs to drop back and make a 3 as we can’t have passengers defensively.

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21 Jan 2021 20:23:57
Fuser, my preference would be 4123 but for me that only works if the wide players work up and down the pitch. I think we can all agree that is not something our wide players currently do enough of.

We could 4312. That would almost guarantee a more resilient base and we could then play Mount or Havertz behind the front two but we then become ridiculously narrow.

Maybe some would prefer 4231 but that to me is what seem to end up playing more often than not. The problem for me is the wide players then drop a little deeper than I would like and put no pressure on opposing teams full backs.

One thing is certain. Whatever the formation, ALL the players have to work hard and that is a minimum requirement.

22 Jan 2021 02:06:41
My point was that formations change within games so you’re 2-2-4 when attacking and 5-4-1 defending at times when 4-3-3 and then same would be if playing 4-2-3-1.

There is very little difference IMO between them in actual games and the entire deliberation seems to stem more from fifa/ fm.

I’m sure ed001, has mentioned before that the apart from drastic formation changes most end up familiar or so? (Sorry if I’m paraphrasing Ed) it’s more about what the manager wants the players to do. Ie press as a group or just a few. Press high up and continuously, or press and then drop etc.

It just seems to me that everyone is dying for 4-2-3-1 and IMO it’s literally no different in most aspects than 4-3-3 depending on the managers instructions.

22 Jan 2021 04:24:10
Couldn't agree more Fuser. Most important thing to look at is the defence, is it a back three or four, that'll change how you play. After that look at the strikers, is there one or two centrally as that'll also change how you play. Generally speaking the midfield and wingers will fall into their preferred roles, especially when it's not drilled into them and their in bad form. So 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 become almost indistinguishable.

22 Jan 2021 05:10:45
It also depends on players too. There’s been knives out the other day saying CHO (who everyone was braying to play) wasn’t tracking back and leaving James all alone.

So you can train players what to do in situations but if they don’t on the pitch there’s little you can do except scold and hope or substitute.

Now I’m not saying players are ignoring Lampard but sometimes when you’re low on confidence your heads down and you’re only at 80%.

22 Jan 2021 06:56:13
I now get your point fuser.

I think I am guilty of getting carried away with formation and shape.

20 Jan 2021 01:09:20
Last season and this season I have been critical of Lamps the manager.

Last season it was our pathetic defending at set pieces and team selection.

This season I have criticised team selection along with playing players out of position while acknowledging it had sometimes been necessary.

I would also say the manager has to take criticism when players show a lack of effort or desire. It's the very least any player can do is work hard.

I have also been critical of players who in my opinion didn't or don't perform from game to game but hopefully in a constructive way. I then give my overall seasons summary player by playing at the end of the season.

I do understand fans and fellow posters frustrations and I 100% share them but can make just two comments on sacking Lamps.

The club had sacked many managers and the new manager has been a total disaster. Is there any guarantee that changing manager this time would definitely bring success, it could be better and some might say it couldn't be worse but our own history dictates it can be worse.

I understood that the Lamps appointment was something to do with introducing some of our younger players to our first team. Most fans and posters thought this was a reasonable plan. It isn't certain that a new manager would be happy to continue with that plan.

Of course, it could be that a new manager would get more out of our current players but there is no guarantee.

The owner has to make some big decisions and i for one trust his judgment but it's going to be a big call.

I've said it many times, Lamps has to be judged now as a manager not as a former playing legend and I'm sure Roman will do just that.

COME on MY MIGHTY BLUES

Keep safe my fellow posters and Eds.

{Ed0666's Note - there you go talking all that common sense again Tom.

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20 Jan 2021 08:57:34
It’s hard Ed.

One way or another a decision will be made soon enough.

{Ed0666's Note - I’d say February sees the dawn of a new era at the bridge.

20 Jan 2021 09:31:08
Excellent post Tom. Despite the emotional connection Frank has with all of us, I'm glad you see the big picture here mate. 💙.

20 Jan 2021 09:36:09
Roman is known for his patience that is for sure.

Of course the club could break a habit and come out with a statement of support or as Ed02 suggested put in place a advisory type person.

Anyway, it’s only a game but one I enjoy.

20 Jan 2021 09:49:56
Emotional outbursts aren’t my strong point Shak and thanks.

20 Jan 2021 12:59:55
Promise ed.

{Ed0666's Note - well no if he miraculously starts winning I’m sure they’ll hold off.

20 Jan 2021 13:21:42
Thanks for the clarification Ed.

I think a change or an addition to the management team is imminent.

{Ed0666's Note - I agree mate.

20 Jan 2021 13:25:47
Tease lol take care mate.

22 Jan 2021 02:10:09
The thing that grates me most on this site is that no one was question what style Lampard was trying to implement in our 10 game (or whatever it was) run this season but the second we go on a dip we have no style. And I’m not here saying we have a clear defined style of play but people clearly seem to have to have sharpened their knives before a football was even kicked.

22 Jan 2021 07:05:47
I think most fans have favourites and players they just don’t take to fuser. When a player a fan doesn’t like has a stinker it just reinforces any fans pre-conceived ideas.

Maybe it’s the same with managers. I know I definitely had a pre-conceived picture of Sarri and that turned out to be completely wrong.

20 Jan 2021 00:55:55
A very disappointing performance overall. We seem to have gone backwards this year after spending a huge amount of money on new recruits this year. Most of it Lampard needs to stand up and take responsibility for but the players need to take a long hard look at themselves with the odd exeption of silva, Chilly, Mount, James, Zouma, Kante

For me the single biggest problem is midfield we get bypassed so easily even more so without kante and leaves our defence completely stretched. I really don't think our defence is bad at all with everyone fit. Kovavcic is not the right player to play in this formation it doesn't suit his style and loses track of runners far to easily he is costing us goals too often by falling asleep and his laziness. The midfield link up play with the attack is shocking it is slow we pass sideways backwards far to frequently rather than making those decisive passes through the lines and by the time we do get it to attack the team were playing gets the chance to recover then it turns into attack versus 9 men behind the ball. What also doesn't help is the constant changing of players I understand it is a congested season but we need to build a spine you do not see other teams constantly making 4- 5 changes every game. Frank seems to be obliged to pick players even when they are bang out of form and players who have played well have been unfairly left out the starting line up IMO CHO and Billy spring to mind.

I still think our best formation is 4-3-3.

I would like to see us line up as:
Mendy
James. Zouma. Silva. Chillwell

Billy
Kante
Mount

Pulisic. Giroud. CHO


That gives us a lot more stability defensively with Billy holding back putting himself about when needed and pulling the strings. Kante getting up and down and pressing and turning defence into attack by winning the ball high up the pitch witch has been something missing of late and mount as the link between midfield and attack chipping in with goals and leading the press also doing a bit of dirty work when required. The one thing even with saying that is we still are crying out for physicality in the middle.

With this formation it gives us easy options for plan B if were loosing we can bring off Billy and Bring on Ziyech to play as a CAM or to Bring on Werner and play Werner and Giroud. Or god forbid we are winning bring off one of the midfield or attack and bring on dave and switch to a 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 I feel none of these have been tried with these new players.

Players like Werner, Havertz, Ziyech, Kovacic even Pulisic to an extent shouldn't be in the starting 11 at the minute they are all out of form and their confidence is shattered. They need to be integrated gradually to find their feet and give them time to adapt to the league rather than throwing them in at the deep end.

There are no excuse with the sports science and modern training facilities why the players shouldn't be able to play 2-3 times a week so we can get some form of consistency.

On a side note we aren't a million miles off top 4 and a few wins on the bounce will change the spirit and get us rocketing up the table. Im trying to remain optimistic and let's hope Frank can turn this around as I'm sure every Chelsea fan would love to see him succeed and if he doesn't time to move on.

{Ed0666's Note - solid post that whitey kudos.

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20 Jan 2021 08:59:03
Good job Whitey.

20 Jan 2021 09:00:54
Jose will always be a legend but please not again.

19 Jan 2021 23:22:14
Hassenhuttl or Rogers, but why would both leave there clubs at this point to come to us, Lampard saying the right stuff in interviews. Doesn't mention he plays same formation for 9 weeks when it's not been working.

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19 Jan 2021 23:32:17
I said some time ago Matt that if Roman pulls the trigger the Southampton manager would be my choice. I also like what the Brighton manager is doing.

20 Jan 2021 00:11:35
At moment I would take David Hasselhoff😀.

20 Jan 2021 00:34:22
When interviewed b4 match Frank did look extremely nervous felt sorry for him even b4 kickoff.

20 Jan 2021 00:50:17
Our choice doesn't matter really as roman will decide.

20 Jan 2021 01:54:06
Hasenhuttl is destined for a big job, I love his teams tbh. His doing great at Southampton. If Jose gets sacked at Sours then I'm 100% sure they will go in for him. I would like him tbh.

19 Jan 2021 22:37:02
Haven't beaten any of the current top eight this season, and we don't look like beating them either.

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19 Jan 2021 22:46:50
I think and no disrespect we should play cfc ladies they would be Frank's flops.

19 Jan 2021 22:58:59
Managers quit rightly have to take responsibility. This situation will be no different.

20 Jan 2021 00:02:13
J we beat West Ham who are above us now but the score flattered us.

 


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