Chelsea Discussion posts 3

18 Sep 2024 16:16:39
Adios and thanks again to the editors.

18 Sep 2024 16:40:24
Have fun and I hope you settle down well back in the UK.

19 Sep 2024 08:20:10
Am I missing something here, has Standard left the site and what would it have to do with moving to the UK?

{Ed002's Note - Yes and nothing.}

19 Sep 2024 12:25:17
That’s a shame. I thought he was just moving to the uk.

19 Sep 2024 13:21:26
Standard has left, not heard from Matt recently.

I know that they have moaned about the owners, players and the project but unless we have fans who look at things both positive and negative when it's due, the site will become somewhere where we won't be interested in logging onto.

Other clubs on this site moan about players owners etc but we seem to lose the ones on our club site.

19 Sep 2024 13:31:21
Bill, you are spot on mate. It’s normal to have different views and it’s what’s this site is all about in my opinion.

COG loves an argument.

19 Sep 2024 14:16:16
They are both trolls and have been called out for being so by the ED's. Why do you encourage that?

19 Sep 2024 15:08:33
WSOTS, to a certain extent we are all trolls.

I’m not a fan of censorship and on this site I trust the editors to edit and if necessary censor.

22 Sep 2024 01:44:50
I’m not a fan of excessive censorship but I will say it was becoming unbearable with the amount of stuff being posted based on twit rumours and things posters were making up in their own heads and then commenting on. There’s plenty enough to have your opinions both positive and negative on without having to make up or believe random stuff.

23 Sep 2024 20:06:57
Fuser you are very right there.

24 Sep 2024 14:46:28
Fuser, I am not sure where the line would be drawn between excessive censorship and censorship. Obviously, there are standards that must be adhered to on this site. Personally, if people want to re-cycle social media garbage it doesn’t bother me. As for things being made up, it could be argued that any comment about the club is “made up” as they are generally opinions not necessarily based on fact- nothing wrong with that.

14 Sep 2024 22:00:09
Taking three points when they are not deserved is always welcome.

Caicedo was for me far and away our best player.

Sanchez good performance and good pen save.

Sancho, good cameo.

Tosin, played well and looks solid enough.

Disasi was poor.

Fofana looked better at RB

Nkunku took his goal so well. Very pleased for the lad.

15 Sep 2024 07:18:52
No he didn't fofana was absolutely crap in both positions out of position and couldn't string a pass together
Fofana and colwill is not a great partnership at all
Tosin made a big difference when he came on.

15 Sep 2024 08:42:15
It’s about opinions and I think he played better at RB than he did at CH but that wouldn’t be hard. Tosin as I have said before played well in a conference game and was unlucky not to keep his place.

Colwil is looking good regardless of who he plays with.

16 Sep 2024 13:58:51
Tosin had one poor moment when [assing directly to a Bournemouth player that might have resulted in a goal but looked comfortable on the ball and has potential for long pass to get side on attack that would make him v useful if he settles.

He looked unsettled when pressed I thought. But was definitely an improvement on Fofana on Saturday night at least at CB, . Fofana just v undisciplined re positioning imho though not lacking pace, bravery or heading ability.

14 Sep 2024 19:53:19
Maybe just maybe we should of brought jhon Duran!
Wow what a goal.

15 Sep 2024 08:56:12
He would not be available for many games, too many concerts in the pipeline.

Seriously though, 99 times out of a 100, that shot would go wide of the target.

15 Sep 2024 10:42:37
Our scouts rarely get a mention on here but they really can see a player in the making. A shame the sporting directors opted not to sign him because I imagine his value has now soared.

13 Sep 2024 13:28:13
£9.7m pounds will be paid this season for Raheem Sterling to play for Arsenal, a team currently higher than us in the table.

Goodness me.

13 Sep 2024 14:03:02
The troll is back ?.

13 Sep 2024 16:07:13
jsfinchy, thanks again for looking up the facts regarding the historical Caicedo comment.

As I’ve said on this subject before, I wonder what the amount is we have saved on the Sterling loan. The manager didn’t want him in the squad, big call but one I respect.

13 Sep 2024 22:24:52
Js finchy calling me a troll is an easy way to ignore someone else's opinion. If you want to call me a troll, go ahead.

Tom, again I have no idea what you're talking about.

Back to the sterling point, are you seriously trying to somehow paint that as a win? We are paying a transfer fee to improve a competitor for one season, and then we still have said player for 2 more years on 350k who we have alienated from the squad.

That is utterly bizarre to me and if you don't think so, happy to ccoversate. But I must admit your condescending tone and constant high horse mentality is very boring and pushing posters away.

14 Sep 2024 03:02:25
Your the one pushing posters away your getting boring pretending you don't know what you have said which is very contradicting.
And it's easy to call you a troll you are correct. You come here constantly to bleat on about what's wrong with the club. Yet again I find myself thinking your a child throwing your toys our of the pram because you haven't got what you want.
Sterling hasn't even kicked a ball for arsenal yet but he has somehow made them even better. Yet he has been a disaster since signing. You have slated him in the past as well.
And if they allowed me to post your comments on these players I would.

As I repeat it's getting boring you contradicting yourself to suit your narrative.

14 Sep 2024 06:32:35
People are allowed differing opinions js finchy.

Regarding sterling, I've actually overwhelmingly posted in support of sterling. It's my opinion that it's silly to pay 60% or whatever of his wages when he improves another team. If you don't want to have a discussion regarding that, sure, don't worry. But on a forum I thought differing opinions was okay?

14 Sep 2024 07:06:33
I wouldn’t have a clue what the perception split is of Sterlings wages but clearly the manager decided he didn’t need him in his squad. The club didn’t or couldn’t sell him, so loaned him out to cut down on there wage bill. No club as yet (maybe Saudi) have come forward to offer paying his full wages. So the club decided to take AN amount of his wages off the balance sheet rather than take a full 100% hit.

14 Sep 2024 07:09:29
No you never again like the ciacedo donkey comment but it won't let me post what you say about sterling.

So again you are factually wrong and just making it up to suit your agenda.

14 Sep 2024 09:16:01
Standard is entitled to post whatever he likes if you don't agree
Dont reply or you can call him a troll and argue its so boring

I used to love this site it used to be a really good laugh and no PC crap

Its become a boring can't say that
tomb show
Its actually become woke on here a football site has become woke
I never thought id see the day when chelsea fans did that
Fly the flag standard.

14 Sep 2024 11:03:50
I agree with Gianfranco

I don't always agree with Standard or Matt for example likewise sometimes I don't for example agree with Tom however, we are all fans and want the best for our club and everyone will have different views on how that should happen.

Me, although we gave a really good young squad, I believe that we need experience in the no.9 position, at the moment the jury is out on the new medical department despite injuries to Lavia and both our right backs although so far Fofana has stayed injury free.

I also would like to see no players coming or indeed going in January and very few in the summer.

As you know, I cannot for the life of me understand why we unable to obtain a front of shirt sponser.

The in-house issues with our owners are also now a problem as is the problem with the ground whether it's staying or moving on, my preference is the latter.

14 Sep 2024 11:41:06
It is very naive to believe that all posters on this site are fans Bill. It is very obvious that some are just trolling.

14 Sep 2024 12:09:41
If “woke” means being careful about the words you use then call me woke. If woke is not being abusive towards players, managers, owners and fans then call me woke. Im also not bothered about people with different views to mine and I’m happy to take criticism but it works both ways.

Standard or anyone else can say what they like as far as I’m concerned but of course don’t start moaning if people have a different view. Again it works both ways!

14 Sep 2024 13:29:13
Tom

Perhaps I am nice but I visit others sites and the trolls tend to disappear for a while then come back, Standardxisxa, regular.

I think we are all in agreement that we all have differing views and we won't always be right, that will be the point where hands go up and admit we were wrong and I know Tom you do exactly that.

14 Sep 2024 14:08:33
Bill, I have not said he is a troll but certainly others have. What I did do was look up the definition of troll and trolling and as I have said that was quite interesting.

Also Bill I like to be convinced/ certain before I jump to a conclusion. I have made so many judgments about players over the years and I’ve got lots wrong and just a few, by chance, right.

There are generally two sides to every story as well as reasons why people make certain decisions. The owners have made mistakes, as all owners do but I am certain of one thing, they want the best for CFC.

14 Sep 2024 15:00:41
Thanks for the support lads. That's all I'll say. I think it's unfair to say I only post negativity because I actually do post lots of positive also. I think we have some very talented players. But I'll also post my thoughts. At a time where the club are not making good moves. It's understandable that tgere are posts criticising the regime.

When we were poor under lampard (transfer ban era) I believe I was overwhelmingly positive because despite the negatives, we were on the right trajectory.

I'm not too sure we are under this new regime.

14 Sep 2024 17:57:39
As for the Sterling deal, no loan fee, paying the majority of his wages. I would describe it as damage limitation basically kicking the can into the long grass. Someone mentioned that the coach didn’t want him in the squad; he said the same about Chilwell and he has been included in the 25 man PL squad!

14 Sep 2024 18:19:01
Jimbo, damage limitation is a good description of the Sterling situation. The Chilwell situation is different in my opinion because it would appear (can’t be certain) that a club couldn’t be found for him. So I guess it make sense to have him in the squad and on standby.

14 Sep 2024 19:05:29
Tom, it does make sense to have him in the squad but I wonder how much game time he will get unless we have a lot of injuries.

14 Sep 2024 20:50:29
Jimbo, I guess it will depend on injuries and maybe a cup game or two.

15 Sep 2024 07:31:09
'Damage limitation'. Or, we use a player who's highly respected although admittedly, out of form. Instead of forking out 60m on neto who I'm sure is a great player, we either save that or invest that in a striker/ GK if possible.

I do understand that's difficult but I personally would not have loaned oyt sterling if it meant we improve a rival, while paying more than half his wages.

15 Sep 2024 08:47:20
If Sterling plays well for Arsenal then we are more likely to get a reasonable transfer fee. I wanted us to sign him but he had two poor seasons.

I will judge the loan decision not on how Sterling performs for Arsenal but on how Neto and Sancho perform for us.

15 Sep 2024 10:40:00
The Sterling deal to Arsenal was good business, a high chunk of wages off our budget and with the quality we have in those areas he was never going to get a game. Past his best and as Tom rightly says if he does well for them we increase our chances of a fee next season.

15 Sep 2024 10:58:31
Complete insanity to say its good business.

(And because for whatever reason certain people don't understand this, this is simply my opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong, just disagreeing)

15 Sep 2024 11:25:06
I suppose it would have been good business to have him sitting in the stiffs on full wages.

The manager made a choice, after that choice
was made a decision had to be found. Given the time available this was the option chosen. It’s not perfect but it’s not insanity ever.

Just for the record I would I would have put Mudryk out on loan rather than Sterling but then given the signings of Neto and Sancho I would have sold/ loaned Mudryk and Sterling.

Decisions have to be made and they will NEVER make
everyone happy but teams have always changed / evolved. It’s just what happens.

15 Sep 2024 14:38:37
And your first point exemplifies why it was absurd for maresca to have a bomb squad and completely alienate certain players from the squad. Certain players that I'm pretty sure, the request came from above.

If it was a choice between raheem sterling contributing to chelsea on 300k, or contributing for a rival who are currently better than us, for 200k, I think the majority know what the good decision and poor decision is. Utterly absurd.

The only explanation that seems logical is chelsea put sterling in the bomb squad, thought there'd be more interest, and then realised they'd alienated a player who didn't want to reduce wages, so had to go into 'damage limitisation' and just get what we could. Overall, poor.

(Again, obvious disclaimer, I don't know exact wages and wage contributions, but the most reported wage split seems to be chelsea paying the 'vast majority of sterlings 300k wages)

15 Sep 2024 15:48:12
The manager didn’t want him in the squad. I’m not sure what is so difficult to understand. I have seen no evidence of manager interference from the owners concerning this decision.

I’m not sure what more explanation is needed. Once the decision was made it was about getting as much of his cost off the books. Jimbo got it spot on when he described it as “damage limitation. ”.

15 Sep 2024 23:50:14
If you read slower you'll understand why it's difficult for me and others to understand the 'decision'. I've just explained that I believe it came from above, which some reports have also stated. The only person who can tell us that's incorrect is ed2 Id he knows the answer.

Weird that maresca said he prefers other players When sterling thrived in the same system under giordiola. Weird that maresca had him playing in every friendly until he was just dropped. Why wouldn't he just play youth products before then?

I know you know this and instead prefer to play dumb, but it's a genuine possibility. Regardless of who's decision it is, it's a bad decision on whoevers behalf and is part of the reason why this club has gone nowhere but backwards after the massive investment. Brain-dead decisions which should not be made by professionals.

16 Sep 2024 03:57:42
You moan about others reading your mind (impossible) and yet then try and read the mind of not only me and other posters but also people involved in decisions at the CFC. That is truly bizarre.

Can I suggest YOU read more slowly.

The manager came out and said it was his decision, there has been no evidence to suggest that decision was influenced by the “owners. ”

It is not a decision I agree with (regardless who made it) but after it was made, it was about “damage limitation. ” Time will tell if it was a good decision. He is still a CFC player and can be sold in the future or more “unlikely” come back to CFC as a squad playe. I hope that isn’t the case now as that would almost certainly mean Sancho and Neto have had poor seasons.

I have said many times on this site it wasn’t the decision I would have made (you apparently agree) but when it was made it was made, there probably wasn’t much more the club could do that would satisfy all parties concerned.

Senior people at all organisations make decisions. If this was a good one or a bad one only time will tell. You on the other had have made your mind up now that it was a bad one. I may not agree with the decision but I will wait and see if it’s a bad call by those decision makers. I’ve said my opinion will be based on the performances of Neto and Sancho more than the performance of Sterling.

As far as the club going “nowhere” is concerned that’s an opinion you and others are welcome to. Under our current owners the club had a shocking start. Partly down to them. The second season was a marginal improvement but was just about at the upper end of my expectations. This season I expect further improvement (3rd-5th) but not challenging for the premiership title. Next season I will expect us to title contenders. Other clubs are not and have not stood still and waited for us to catch up. I’m my opinion it was going to take time. While it hasn’t been helped by mistakes, I remain confident that in my lifetime I will see us pick up more trophies.

20 Sep 2024 10:16:29
True we are getting some more of Sterling’s wages paid but not as suggested a high chunk; most reports suggest that we are paying two thirds of his salary. The reality is that we were desperate to move him on and Arsenal saw a an opportunity to bolster their squad relatively cheaply; no loan fee or future financial obligations. As I said before a classic case of kicking the can into the long grass. We will have the same issue to deal with next summer . I am not sure where this transfer fee will come from given his previous indications that he wants to stay in London.

08 Sep 2024 09:05:54
Hi Ed002,

You mentioned in the tread regarding TB and Clearlake that there was misinformation written by us who participate on the Chelsea site.

I was just wondering if you could advise us where we went wrong.

That way we won't keep compounding the issue.

Many thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - It is not worth explaining things in detail on this page.}

08 Sep 2024 11:15:02
Fair enough ED.

I was just hoping we could cut down erroneous postings, even it's from me.

The problem is we all have are own different takes on subjects which leads to more Chinese whispers as we as Dan's really do not have a clue what is going on with our club. That been said, we are no where near the only club with this problem.

09 Sep 2024 04:25:36
Unfortunately all we can talk about is what is reported by credible sources. It's obvious we don't get accurate information all the time but this website would be very quiet if we didn't talk about any of the reports.

I understand that's frustrating for ed2 as a chelsea fan but I don't know what the alternative is.

09 Sep 2024 10:05:09
I suppose the answer is for the club to be transparent with what goes on but to be fair, no club ever is, it not just us but we seem to be in the headlines on a daily basis.

Some would say any kind of publicity is good as it keeps the club in the spotlight, although it does not seem to have helped us find a front of shirt sponsor as of yet.

09 Sep 2024 14:09:52
Bill, I’m still not sure what’s going on but my experience of a boardroom split tells me that both sides will have there favourite media outlet and could brief that outlet for there own ends.

Let me make it clear, that doesn’t mean that one side is wrong or telling fibs. It’s just what happens. I guess what I’m saying is that any transparency should be taken with a pinch of salt.

09 Sep 2024 16:39:02
You are probably right Tom, I just hope that whatever the outcome, it is a quick resolution otherwise as a club, we will be in limbo.

What will be interesting is what happens to Maresca if TB takes full control bearing in mind he did not want Poch to go.

06 Sep 2024 18:38:36
Nothing worse than international break when season has just kicked off.

03 Sep 2024 12:06:13
Olay lads international friendlies is upon us. Bit of fun. Do we fans think chelsea have improved the squad from last year? Silva, chalobah, Gallagher broja sterling, petrovic, and others out.

Neto, felix, guiu, sancho, viega, tosin, Jorgensen in.

Not trying to be a doomer but for me, it's a worse squad this year. Losing Gallagher will affect us a lot as will chalobah/ Silva.

Thoughts?

03 Sep 2024 16:43:37
Standard it’s difficult to say if the players we have brought in are an improvement on those who left at this early stage but I doubt it, However, we clearly haven’t strengthened the squad in areas that needed attention instead we have made signings that were unnecessary. As I said on numerous occasions we needed a top class experienced CB, a striker and a top class goalkeeper.

03 Sep 2024 21:51:02
Silva was brilliant but at some stage he was going to leave. I have no idea how Tosin will work out long term but I think he played well in the only game I’ve seen him play for us and in my opinion was unlucky not to start in front of Fofana for the next premiership game.

Chalaboa I think is better than Disasi. Pleased TC has only gone out on loan.

I like the look of Viega and sadly I can see why he is preferred over Chilly. The other thing about him is he can play in three positions.

Sterling hasn’t hit the heights of his City days with us but I can see him doing well at gooner land. I think Sancho will play more prem games than Mudryk.

I liked Petrovic has a stopper but he wasn’t very reassuring with the ball at his feet. I haven’t seen enough of Jorgensen to make a decision but I think Ed02 said he is highly regarded. I would have started him as our No1. As an aside congratulations to Sanchez for getting called up again for Spain.

Neto in my opinion and su to him staying fit will become a fan’s favourite. The question is what position will our manager play him?

Broja sadly bad inpbut I was never a massive fan I think Guiu looks useful and will offer US more than Broja.

I have concerns about BB, Disasi, Mudryk and BB. Also as much as I think KDH is underrated I’m not sure he was needed.

04 Sep 2024 00:44:57
So seems like you don't think we've improved?

04 Sep 2024 04:11:57
I would like to think so but I’m never quick to judge players i have not seen a lot of. I will have a clearer view come the end of the season.

04 Sep 2024 08:15:14
I'm sorry, but I don't think Broja was ever chelsea quality!

04 Sep 2024 09:26:32
In fairness Kiwi, we have never really seen Broja get a consistent run out in the first team, mainly due to injuries.

I havexa feeling he will be back with us at the end of the season.

04 Sep 2024 10:40:20
How can we seriously answer that question after 3 games
We will have to wait for at least 30 more games to see if we have improved on last season with our new squad.

04 Sep 2024 11:10:39
Gola, you have to remember we had at least one poster calling for our latest to be sacked while on our pre season tour.

04 Sep 2024 13:18:08
It's a shame that we don't have the same squad as last season, that way we could compare Maresca with Poch.

At the moment we are 1 point down on the city game, 3 points up on the wolves game and 2 points down on the palace game therefore after just 3 games I know, we are on par with last season.

04 Sep 2024 15:56:53
Bill. I will start with a points target of 76ers (2pts per game) but this season I have set a target points spread of 66pts-76pts.

04 Sep 2024 16:20:38
Hopefully Tom but I think that might be a little optimistic.

06 Sep 2024 07:40:23
Unlike most of you above, I think our squad is improved from last year. I think Slonina and Pender are the new goalkeeping duo after this year, Levi and Fofana are the preferred c/ b pairing for premiership (they are improving every start) I think/ feel this pairing will be impenetrable as the season goes on. Tosin, BB and Disasi for cups and Conference.
In midfield, with Nkuku and Felix providing an option we are taking the option away from Palmer being our only outlet in midfield.

02 Sep 2024 18:25:35
I don't like the idea of experienced professional footballer without clubs. So I'm a bit surprised and slightly disappointed that Chilly hasn't got picked up a club he will get lots of game time for this season. I honestly hope his situation changes for the better.

Osimhen's situation is slightly different because it would appear he had plenty of suitors. Apparently we made at least seven separate proposals to him and his agent and even dispatched John Obi to Naples in an attempt to persuade him. As is his choice him and his advisors turned them all down including a mega deal from Saudi. Of course I have no idea how much of this is true.
Anyway, he is now apparently going out on a season long loan something his agent said would NEVER happen. I'm not sure Osimhen and his advisors have played a very clever hand. Maybe that ship has permanently sailed.

02 Sep 2024 21:10:16
Tom, not really surprised Chilwell hasn’t been picked up due to his wages and injury history. Don’t worry about him though he has spent most of two seasons not playing and pocketing £ 200K a week; he is used of it.

02 Sep 2024 21:20:15
Tom, the Osimhen was always going to be difficult particularly the wages. He had his chance to join us an I think we should move on and forget about him- I have.

03 Sep 2024 06:21:35
I personally couldn’t care less about Chillys wages. I would just like him to find a club and move on with his footballing life.

03 Sep 2024 06:23:30
I would just like Chilly to move on with his footballing life.

03 Sep 2024 08:33:23
Tom, his wages are one the issues preventing him from moving on.

03 Sep 2024 08:44:39
It’s just me caring about a guy who has been told he is not in a managers plans. For that reason I would like him to find a way of playing football this season. His wages are irrelevant to how I feel about him as a person.

03 Sep 2024 11:56:00
Tom, his wages may not be relevant to you but they might be to him. He is a grown up, he has lawyers, advisers and an agent. Perhaps he is happy to sit it out and hope for a change of coach. Personally, I’m not going to lose any sleep.

03 Sep 2024 21:33:25
A good mate of mine working for a top company and getting very well paid gets told that the company is moving in a different direction and his services went longer needed. All his life he was considered to be a high flyer within his industry.

In his mind everyone now looked at him as a failure. Two weeks later he took his own life leaving a distraught young family and friends who just couldn’t and can’t understand the how and why!

I have been in a very dark place on many occasions and maybe that’s why I get concerned.

03 Sep 2024 22:16:15
I should have added that I am sometimes guilty of forgetting they are just blokes who happen to be good at football.

04 Sep 2024 10:45:36
Tom, I am sorry to hear about your mate. Obviously, loss of self-esteem can cause mental health issues and where it is associated with your career can also be coupled with financial anxiety. Yes footballers are human but those at the top clubs are multi- millionaires. True, money doesn’t make you happy but it does protect you against the vicissitudes that life can throw at you. I am sure that the club did it’s best to facilitate a move- he is probably just keeping his options open until the next window.

04 Sep 2024 11:14:17
Jimbo, that is my point. I hope the lad can find a way sooner rather than later to resume his playing career.

I was rather pleased to read one report saying Chilly is training with first team. Him and Chalaboa haven’t said anything that I’ve seen about the managers decision.

{Ed002's Note - Chilwell is close to leaving on loan.}

04 Sep 2024 12:08:38
Tom, I agree that Trev and Chilwell have both shown maturity despite the disappointing decision that was widely publicised: some players go on social media as soon as they feel aggrieved.

04 Sep 2024 12:22:27
Ed02, thanks so much for that update. Playing football can only help him in my opinion.

06 Sep 2024 14:21:50
How much of his wages will be paying ed? Hopefully less than the 50% of sterling's were paying.

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

01 Sep 2024 23:14:12
'One thing is probably clear, three years ago chelsea won the champions league, but now it is not that kind of chelsea so now sometimes if you don't win it is normal' - enzo maresca

Wow, we won the champion league, spent 1.4 billion pounds and now struggle to even play in Europe. It's almost impressive.

02 Sep 2024 03:21:32
I assume this is a reference to a quote from our new manager?

02 Sep 2024 03:35:13
Sorry sent early.

I think that’s an honest assessment of current situation. I’m sure our latest manager will be looking to bring back success. I’m also very sure our owners, for lots of reasons, want success.

I think we are moving in the right direction. Would I like improvement to be quicker, yes. Do I expect us to win the premiership this season, no. Do I expect us to be challenging next season for the premiership, yes.

Just for the record, I will be disappointed if we don’t improve on last seasons 6th place finish.

02 Sep 2024 05:29:59
Thanks Tom. For what it's worth I hope we can put behind whatever hostility there is between us. At the end of the day we both support chelsea and differ on opinions whether the regime has been successful. For me, an astounding failure but one that is slowly progressing and for you I think a successful Oversee of a rebuild which will give us success in the very near future.

For me, anything less than 3rd Is a failure, but 4-6th is acceptable with visible progress.

02 Sep 2024 08:48:30
Standard, this is a commutation site where views are aired by fans who are generally just guessing. Our views and opinions are not definite and we should be able to express those opinions without personal abuse. I have zero “hostility” towards any poster or member of the public. If I think a post is wrong, I will put up my post trying to give a “reason” why I think there “post” is wrong.

Remembering that success is different from club to club.

Let me ask you a question., Arteta will I think have been manager of the gooners for five seasons. If he doesn’t win the premiership this season is he a successful manager or a failure?
Remember, I think it was only in his third season did he get them champions league qualification and they have wi an FA cup.

My guess is supporters of Arsenal would generally think he has been successful but I also think without winning a premiership soon that attitude will change.

Remember, I think we had one poster on this site calling for our current manager to be sacked after some poor pre season results.

Generally it takes time to build a successful team and in our case it was maybe a bit harder with new owners and poor initial advice. Those owners haven’t helped the situation changing managers so often. Constantly changing a manager isn’t just changing one person, ask Sterling and Chilly. It’s almost total upheaval all the time.

The mistakes the owners have made are there for all to but things could be a lot worse. We could have a new ground and about to be relegated. We could have owners who let there ground become a wreck. We could have owners who don’t invest in recruitment of players. Of course we could all support a club that has had an empty trophy cabinet for twenty years.

02 Sep 2024 09:24:10
Tom

I take it you are referring to Spurs, regarding the new stadium etc.

Yes they have a brilliant stadium, are a well run club financially, they will finish above us this season and what's more they have a front of shirt sponser.

Am I happy to write this, God no but is true.

02 Sep 2024 09:50:31
Bill I wasn’t referring to the spuds and a new stadium and probable relegation, that was the toffees.

My spuds reference was having an empty trophy cabinet for twenty seasons.

I think the spuds will flatter to deceive yet again. I have them in 6th-8th this season but I’m please they have a shirt sponsor to put in the trophy cabinet.

02 Sep 2024 12:06:21
Yes tom, arteta at arsenal was a slow build and they've done well with there project. It's apples and oranges to compare them because we've spent over double what they have spent on players and have a good balanced squad. We have a randomly assembled squad of individuals with no identity.

02 Sep 2024 12:34:09
Tom
At least with Everton, they have a new stadium, whereas we have new owners that have been in for two years now without even a peep of one on the horizon.

As regards to Spurs putting a shirt sponser into their trophy cabinet, at least they have a sponser. Two seasons now we have started without one, in anybody language, that is not only poor but is also hurting us financially.

02 Sep 2024 13:03:11
Bill, in my opinion Everton wi have new owners and be in the second division next season.

We had a sponsor last year and my guess is we will have one at some stage this year but the name on the shirt won’t help us win trophies.

02 Sep 2024 13:09:37
Standard and Arsenal didn’t have new owners who have changed the manager at least five times. I don’t think they had much choice about signing players but it could have been done differently in my view.

Generally time is required to bring success but we have been spoilt three times with three different managers and now some people just expect it to be instantaneous.

The other point is different people/ fans and clubs have different views on what constitutes success.

02 Sep 2024 15:56:31
Tom

It may not help with trophies, it will assist with players purchase and wages.

02 Sep 2024 17:00:52
The club seemed to have lots more sponsors than they had before and I repeat they did have one last season.
I’m sure a front of shirt sponsor will happen and then our shirt will be spoilt again.

02 Sep 2024 21:36:07
Tom, nothing can spoil the new shirt: it is dreadful, which his surprising given TB’s association with baseball. Their teams kits are always traditional and historical. Whoever signed that off should be sacked. Whatever spin you want to put on it not having a front of shirt sponsor for two seasons at the start of the PL is a poor show.

As for Arteta, he has improved Arsenal but they have won nothing; nobody will remember or care about coming second. Holding him up as as example of success doesn’t impress me.

03 Sep 2024 05:28:12
Jimbo, how could I put a “spin” on facts. We didn’t have a sponson and the start of last season but we did get one eventually and we have got a front of shirt sponsor for the start of this season but personally think we will get one at some stage. Strangely I thought our shirt this season was rubbish but it’s grown on me. I’ve now seen it on supporters at the bridge and it isn’t as horrible as I first thought.

Af far as Arteta is concerned, it was a question about how different people/ fans view supposed success. I certainly wouldn’t be “holding him up as an example of success” but I would say that over his tenure (currently four seasons) he has made the gooners competitive and play some good stuff.

03 Sep 2024 06:26:23
That should obviously read we “ haven’t” got a front iof shirt sponsor for the start of this season.

04 Sep 2024 14:04:41
Tom, the facts are there as to sponsorship; the “spin” is that you suggest that it’s okay not to have sorted it out by now; I disagree. As to he shirts they are even worse when you see them close up.

04 Sep 2024 21:22:51
I don’t recall ever posting or suggesting that it’s ok that we haven’t got a front of shirt sponsor of that it’s ok that it hasn’t been sorted out by now.

What I have said repeatedly is we haven’t got one now but “I personally believe we will get one “at some stage” this season.

04 Sep 2024 22:19:09
I should have also added that my personal belief that we will get a front of shirt sponsor comes from a New York Times article written a couple of weeks ago.

Apparently any sponsor for this season will also be our sponsor for the World Club Championship.

05 Sep 2024 17:51:45
Tom, I’m sure we will get a sponsor but as I said not good that it has been left so late. I heard it’s going to be “Daz” to go with the new shirts. lol. Seriously, anything to partially cover up the first kit will be an improvement.

05 Sep 2024 19:33:04
Yes and that’s all that I have suggested. I personally think we will get a front of shirt sponsor but I also think it will be a one season deal but that’s just me thinking that.

01 Sep 2024 12:44:55
I am pleased that Jackson and the club have agreed a contract extension.

As I've said before, in my opinion he was our most improved player through last season. I hope that improvement continues.!

01 Sep 2024 19:08:53
Titally agree Tom, he ia a, talented youngster, i just wish we han an experiened no.9 to take the pressure off him.

01 Sep 2024 21:17:22
Bill, we can play Guiu in all the cup games at least plus Nkunku has played a striker on numerous occasions.

05 Sep 2024 22:07:12
There was no need to extend Jackson’s contract he was already on a lengthy one. There is nothing wrong with improving contracts based on performance but these long contracts are crazy.

06 Sep 2024 07:34:00
I have no way of knowing why Chelsea are generally giving such long contracts but my guess we be that the club has decided that it protects the value of a player for longer. Also, the offer of a long contract maybe being used as security for the player and a way of selling the concept of a lower base salary.

The introduction of performance related contracts is something that I 100% welcome. I have no idea how the club measures a players successful performance, particularly from positions to positions. I assume there must be an element of subjectivity.

Time will tell if the idea works but I’ve now seen a few other clubs offering longer contracts. So maybe they see some value in the idea.

31 Aug 2024 00:44:40
So we are paying half of sterlings wages for him to contribute to a team competing with us for top 4. What are we seriously doing?

Also, we have burned bridges with multiple players we couldn't sell on very high wages, for them to play for our youth squad (chilwell, 230k, chuk 100k)

Just a nonsensical way to run a football club. Please if im missing something do tell me. I'd love to defend the club but I honestly can't.

31 Aug 2024 03:53:06
I would rather Chuka and Chalaboa stayed within the club and I hope they get some mins. The manager has stated that Chilly is not his type of player, so I can’t see him getting a look in unless there is an emergency.

Some windows are still open I believe. So I guess something could still happen.

31 Aug 2024 04:14:12
I’ve only just noticed Chalaboa on loan to Palace. I’m pleased it’s only a loan as I rate him more than Disasi.

31 Aug 2024 07:59:43
Agreed Tom

Who knows how long Maresca has with us, Chabs under a different coach might still have a future with us.

31 Aug 2024 09:00:53
The only reason Chalobah was loaned rather than sold is that the club won’t have any academy players to sell for 100% profit next summer.

31 Aug 2024 09:35:10
Let’s not count James, George, Colwill and about three more on the fringes.

31 Aug 2024 11:12:33
Let's not Tom, they should be staying with us unless Hames keeps getting injured and then we need to sell him.

31 Aug 2024 11:46:18
I’m not mystic Tom. He may well play the remainder of the season injury free and then I can’t see us wanting to se him unless a top offer comes in that we can’t refuse.

I can’t think about players being injured all season.

31 Aug 2024 14:55:16
Agreed Tom, all I said was that if James has another injury hit season, then wexneed to at least discuss moving him on.

I hope he stays fit because a fit RC is probably right up there with being one of the best RB's in the world never mind the premiership.

31 Aug 2024 15:11:42
Bill, I think he will be sold next season anyway because I think clubs like Real Madrid would love to sign him. Hopefully if it happens it will be on agreeable terms for all concerned.

31 Aug 2024 18:37:26
Tom, I was referring to academy players who had game time; not fringe players. I doubt whether the club would sell Colwill and James but anything is possible. Let’s hope Reece gets over his constant injuries: if he doesn’t this season it’s unlikely he would be a good prospect for other clubs to invest in.

31 Aug 2024 20:53:41
Todays so called fringe players will be tomorrows super stars ?.

31 Aug 2024 21:04:01
Tom, really like who? Very few academy players reach the level of superstar for their clubs. Time and time again we have heard about the next big thing who fades into obscurity. When we were at our best, apart from Terry, we brought in players- that’s the reality.

31 Aug 2024 21:54:15
I did reply but it’s some how got lost.

JT came into the team at about the same time as RA started investing heavily into our academy. For lots of reasons we have said goodbye to far to many academy players. The likes of Maatsen, Gilmore, Tomori, MG, CHO, Tammy, RLC, Mount, Liveramento, Christensen, MG, CG and a few more have all left for one
reason or another.

We now have more youngsters coming through from our academy and a few purchased from a global pool of young talent.

In my opinion it’s rare to find a superstar playing for a club who has come through the whole academy system but we have produced top players before and we will do again. I live in hope that one of our products will become a global superstar but of course there are zero guarantees.