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14 Mar 2024 11:03:40
ED02 if I may, are we interested in Leny Yoro?

G8

{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


 

 

11 Mar 2024 18:27:34
So PSR is being scrapped.

G8

1.) 11 Mar 2024 21:04:28
what is that likely to mean teams can spend what they want.


2.) 11 Mar 2024 22:30:09
It’s not being scrapped ? it’s changing slightly to match UEFA’s FSR, pretty much the same thing really. Clubs only being allowed to spend 85% of turnover on wages and transfers. Think there’s still things to figure out but don’t think it’ll change tooo much.


3.) 11 Mar 2024 22:59:21
Fuser, it is being scrapped mate.


4.) 12 Mar 2024 22:51:49
I’m sorry but very few fan’s understand FFP and my guess would be very few will understand any new proposals.

Why do we bother with worrying about it? If our club has in some way in the past we f? cked up then we deserve to be punished and if it happens for a future offence, so be it.


5.) 13 Mar 2024 12:39:24
Tom fans are allowed to care about the finances if they want too. I'm more supirsed when people don't care. It's one of the most important things in the sport. Do you expect an American to not care about the salary cap in the nba or nfl?

Again, 'so be it' in response to cheating is a bit too 'turn the other way' ish to me. I'm obviously not saying we're cheating, i think we skirt the rulez but that's okay
but if we were cheating I'd be a bit dissapointed.


6.) 13 Mar 2024 15:35:41
Standard, let me know when you understand FFP or PSR. I’m honest enough to say I don’t understand either of them.

I repeat if we are ever punished for breaking any rules I’m not going to bleat about. I will just assume that we deserve it.

Unlike you I have seen zero evidence that suggests we
“Skirt the rules. ” As far as I’m concerned, a team either conforms to the so called rules or breaks them.


7.) 13 Mar 2024 15:49:11
I should have also added that even if I did understand FFP and PSR I wouldn’t have a clue about the CFC”s financial position and how to apply it to FFP or PSR.


8.) 14 Mar 2024 04:54:01
I understand the amortisation pretty simply. Why are you so stand-offish and defensive?

An example of skirting the rules would be amortisation over an 8 year period rather than the standard 5, it was considered a loophole and it was subsequently stopped. If the rule isn't in place, absolutely make the most of it I say but I'd say that's an example of skirting, and not in a bad way.


9.) 14 Mar 2024 06:08:50
So like me you don’t understand FFP or PSR.

Also, working within the rules isn’t “skirting the rules. ”.


10.) 14 Mar 2024 06:41:49
Standard

How is it skirting the rule when there was no rule in place that we could not do deals over an 8 year period.

The rule has since been amended so that we can't do that going forward as you mentioned.


11.) 14 Mar 2024 07:06:11
Bill, I’m probably wrong but I think the “term” of a contract can still run for any agreeable duration.


12.) 14 Mar 2024 07:21:56
Bill I used the worst skirting, not breaking. There was nothing wrong with it as there was no rule in place as explained. But it was a method used to get around ffp absolutely, and although it is risky, I think it smart.

Tom as I typed, I understand it, it really isn't that hard to understand. Did you misread or something?


13.) 14 Mar 2024 07:42:57
Good, so you can now explain FFP and PSR to the posters on this site when we have a question on the subject.

So, under the current rules is there a maximum term/ duration for a players contract?

That’s my first question. I will have loads more over the coming seasons.


14.) 14 Mar 2024 11:18:13
I'm not sure what I've done to deserve this hostility Tom. I apologise if I've upset you somehow. I've actually stuck up for you a few times on here. dissapointing.


15.) 14 Mar 2024 12:32:00
I’m not sure what is “hostile” about asking a question on subject you “understand” but ho hum if you can’t answer the question no problems.

I find it very “disappointing” when I’m constantly miss-quoted by you but I guess that’s the way things are in life.

Just as aside im never that bothered when my opinions are different from other posters. I can’t imagine being a person who would gloat about victory or prefer defeat just to prove a point. God, what a s@it life that would be!


16.) 14 Mar 2024 22:40:10
I'm constantly miss quoted by you also so that's quite ironic. I've suggested many times for you to slow down and read my post again because multiple multiple times you've misquoted or misunderstood me.


17.) 15 Mar 2024 06:54:31
I assume “misunderstood” is a poker term for a crap hand.


18.) 15 Mar 2024 22:48:55
And you've confirmed my point. If you're just going to be negative to my every post why bother replying?


19.) 16 Mar 2024 03:10:49
Surely the point of posting anything is to get a reply, regardless if any reply is positive or negative!


20.) 16 Mar 2024 10:17:23
Tom, to be clear on the hostility Standard is referring to, your replies have come across extremely passive aggressive. Whether you meant it that way or not, that is how it reads. Furthermore, Standard also explained to you that he understood about the amortisation part of FFP, however you decided this clearly meant he claimed to understand FFP as a whole.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with two different views on a subject and having a debate, however your replies are becoming predictable every single time anyone talks about money. You simply say you don’t care about the finances as you don’t understand aspects of it. If this is the case then that’s absolutely fine - however it is far from constructive in consistently repeating that statement across multiple threads. You may not care, others certainly do. What others care about is completely up to them.

FFP is a big thing in the game at the moment, and for the foreseeable future, many people are going to be interested in this and to varying degrees of an understanding. You need to just get used to this instead of calling the pot pink.


21.) 16 Mar 2024 10:53:26
Cech, I have said many times I do not understand FFP or PSR and I have also given my opinion that both terms are generally weaponised. Every single time I’ve asked a poster to explain them both to me I get zero information.

I am well aware of the term “amortisation” and what it it means but as I don’t know if it’s application at a football club applies to all players (ladies, juniors included) all staff, general capex, salaries, bonuses and transfer fees.

I would humbly suggest that instead of expressing concern about FFP or PSR posters just ask a question or if they have a “factual” comment to make on the subject they express them. Any answers on the subject or factual comment would be helpful to me and I’m sure lots of other posters.

Apparently I have a habit as coming across as “passive aggressive. ” That would never be my intention and I obviously apologise for any unintentional offence caused to any poster.


22.) 16 Mar 2024 20:50:30
Your personal understanding of FFP, PSR or amortisation on the broader scale is slightly redundant in terms of what we are currently talking about though Tom?

Firstly just because your understanding of them isn’t at the required level, does not mean that the rest of us should not be able to comment or express concerns on the matter.

Secondly, if anyone here does understand FFP et al, they are under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to divulge that information to either you, myself or anyone else that has questions on the matter. That however does not mean that their contributions to the page should become mute. However if you don’t agree with it by all means share your side. But don’t constantly suggest that others shouldn’t talk about financial or other matters just because you have no interest in them.

I tend to find myself agreeing with a lot you say Tom, however the constant disregard of others concern or questions/ information regarding FFP et al is, simply put, infuriating at times. Anyway, i’m not going to carry on with this, I just hoped to explain to you how it looks from another perspective. I hope you’re well and sending you all the best.


23.) 16 Mar 2024 21:41:32
Cech, of course my understanding or lack of understanding FFP is redundant hence the reason I ask for clarification on how accurate the comments are on the subject. As far as I’m concerned that is one of the selling points of the site.

Surely posting we are are likely to be in breach of any rules needs some explanation.

You and others may well find my “constant disregard” of other people’s concerns about FFP or PSR “infuriating” but I can see no problem in asking the reasons for a such concerns. I find it equally infuriating when fans use the term without any supporting argument.

At some stage it may well happen that we are in breach of some rule or other and if that is the case we will deserve to be punished.

I fully understand fans having concerns about our club’s finances. That’s fine as far as I’m concerned but surely I’m allowed to ask the question why those concerns exist or express my ambivalence.

My health isn’t to bad at the moment thanks Cech. I go back into hospital mid April but hopefully just for an MOT. Stay safe mate.


 

 

23 Jun 2023 10:11:52
Looks like our great servant Azpi is also now leaving, a true club legend. The clearout continues at such a pace, well done to the club. Some thought it would not be easy to clear the decks. looking forward to seeing some incoming players now.

G8

1.) 23 Jun 2023 16:07:23
G8, the same applies to Dave as it does for Kante.

I hope we get a chance to give them both individual farewells sooner rather than later.

Two legends in my opinion.


2.) 23 Jun 2023 21:13:29
I wish him well at Inter Milan.


3.) 23 Jun 2023 22:01:16
Dave and Kante going is a changing of the guards moment. I wish them both well but they are leaving with a sackful of medals which they richly deserve.


 

 

22 May 2023 20:53:25
Don't shoot the messenger but Mason Mount will sign a new contract with Chelsea. Trust me.

G8

1.) 22 May 2023 21:36:31
Hope is a dangerous thing to give to a man, G8. And giving me hope is exactly what you've done now.

I hope you're well informed :)


2.) 22 May 2023 21:40:06
All stories this evening are it’s almost impossible and out of United Liverpool arsenal and possibly Bayern ( easy tuchel link )

I want him to stay, I think there should be some give and take where neither club are completely happy with the offer and player budges and isn’t completely happy but a deal is signed, but his spoke to klopp, he wants to go, we will have to sell,
Mount out Maddison in? Think his attitude is terrible but if foxes go down?


3.) 22 May 2023 21:42:01
Praying you are right G8.


4.) 22 May 2023 22:06:28
G8, I hope you are correct but I think it’s more likely he will leave. I think Klopp has already reached out to him or his representatives.


5.) 23 May 2023 04:01:39
Lol the club are morons if they lose mount.


6.) 23 May 2023 09:21:20
Maybe he asked for such high wages knowing the club would never meet them then he can leave saying its the clubs fault, not mine.


7.) 23 May 2023 09:49:05
Bill, I think if Mount and the club can’t agree on a new contract they will part amicably.

It’s not as if this situation is unusual.


8.) 23 May 2023 10:24:35
Heart ruling head but I have backed Mount to stay at Chelsea. The price of 15/ 8 was too big to resist.


9.) 23 May 2023 13:38:17
Just me then who’s not bothered if he goes don’t see with the players we have coming through and the likes of Chukwuemeka are.


10.) 23 May 2023 13:42:10
Santos Chukwuemeka Hutchinson enzo kante and the others we are interested in I don’t see him getting him. I think he will end up at Liverpool as I Henderson replacement.


11.) 23 May 2023 14:26:49
Nib, you are not alone, some fans don’t rate him now and never have.

We all see player’s differently but he would be in the first eleven for most top Premiership teams in my opinion.


12.) 23 May 2023 17:01:19
Unlikely dream scenario is that Mount signs and Rice joins.


13.) 23 May 2023 22:34:47
Nib, not just you I don’t care and am completely bored with it.


 

 

23 Aug 2022 21:33:40
Bit of news my fellow blues, Anthony Gordon is a TT pick, quick, works hard, strong, full of courage. Conte loves him as well for the same reasons. Can cover as well. He is joining.

Likely Broja goes the other way on loan. a top talent and will improve us, negative sisters will hate of course, looking forward to their reactions when the boy shows just how good he is. as ED02 says, forget the price tag.

PEA is on his way as well, our first choice will be the target for next summer but PEA can and will do a job, confident and prolific, a very good capture. 2 more will come in, a centre back and a midfielder.

G8

1.) 23 Aug 2022 21:56:17
G8, thanks for the update and I agree with almost all of your post. Including the sentiment.


2.) 23 Aug 2022 22:13:06
I couldn’t see how releasing Gordon made sense for Everton, especially given the departure of Richarlison and the funds raised through that. But, if Broja goes the other way on Loan and PEA comes in short term, then I can see the logic all round.

Obviously, I have no idea if any of the above is true!


3.) 23 Aug 2022 22:20:03
Fatduck, I can also see the logic and you are also correct about how believable these stories are.


4.) 23 Aug 2022 23:15:15
Conte loves him so much that they didn’t go above a reported £35m for him, it’s not just the price tag g8 it’s value for money, 60m plus add ins, 50 plus appearances and 6 goals, why not keep what we have, ?


5.) 24 Aug 2022 00:12:39
I don’t see the value in Gordon at all, think there’s far far better options out there. Will support him if he comes though.


6.) 24 Aug 2022 00:20:48
Last season was the 1st time his completed a proper season in his life, his stats were awful too. We think 60+ million for him is a good deal now? Yes we are desperate for players but his NOT a priority. It's laughable knowing we could sign genuine class players for that fee.


7.) 24 Aug 2022 01:20:26
Like i said yesterday. The money is absolutely relevant. I'm quick, I work hard and I'm strong. I'm sh**, but atleast I have those qualities right?

Good pick-up If it's at a low cost price. 60 million is a Gabriel jesus.


8.) 24 Aug 2022 05:29:18
Did the club want Jesus?


9.) 24 Aug 2022 07:25:42
I'm underwhelmed by tuchel signings. Now is a critical part for the new owners as they also want to back the coach but unfortunately tuchel does look out idea what kind players he should bring in. I'm not confident enough with his choice of signings. Especially when I expect him to move with precision in the market for positions that improving but he doesn't know what profile of players he should chase. If the right players are not brought in he's likely going to put Todd and Co into instability in a few years.
Again there will be a time we would have to choose between our talented players and tuchel because tuchel is not good enough in attacking set up which haresulted in selling lukaku, and a werner and I'm not sure if the remainders are happy with their situation. I would certainly let tuchel go instead of selling our talents for his own inadequacy.
I'm not optimistic for the season even when because we don't have a balanced squad which I blame tuchel for the unbalanced squad. He should have articulated his team even before the last season ended because its clear our shortcomings were obvious.


10.) 24 Aug 2022 07:52:12
G8 - has Olive also changed jobs with change of ownership. Is she working now at the Mykonos villa of Boehly instead of Abramovich Yatch?


11.) 24 Aug 2022 10:32:49
Don't start that crap again.


12.) 24 Aug 2022 10:40:43
She is a scaffolder now CFC_manalii.


13.) 24 Aug 2022 11:56:03
So, usually, I don't care about price tags, my worry here is based off it though.

I don't claim to know much about Gordon, but 60 mil does seem excessive. The only way it isn't is if he becomes excellent/ world class. Which means we wouldn't be selling him, so we're not paying this money to make a potential profit, if that makes sense?

Now, there's potential that he doesn't work out and we're in the hole for over 60mil (inc wages that is) . Who is going to want to pay close to that so we're covered?

For that sort of money, I'd be looking for a signing that improves the 1st team immediately. Considering what we spent on Chukwuemeka and Casadei, who are of similar experience, 60 mil seems a bit too much.


14.) 24 Aug 2022 16:52:09
As you mentioned - Who is the preferred target for next summer?


15.) 24 Aug 2022 19:44:18
Nkunku.


 

 

 

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14 Apr 2024 18:45:53
You just never know in this league, who would of thought Liverpool and Arsenal would both lose at home today? Liverpool 1 title in 33 years and Arsenal 1 title in 20 years. Funny old game.

G8

1.) 14 Apr 2024 19:36:06
Blimey that’s a long time. So Leicester have won more premierships in the last twenty years than the gooners and the same as the scousers in the last 33 years. It’s a funny old game!

I suppose we should remember that the scousers are the only team to have won anything so far this season.

I wonder how long ago Utd and the spuds last won a premiership?


2.) 14 Apr 2024 21:52:06
When did Spurs last win the league Tom? Someone on here called them a bigger club than us a while back?.


3.) 14 Apr 2024 22:12:14
G8, I guess winning the league Wes probably in the 60’s. I can’t remember the last time they won any trophy. It’s the old joke “best stadium in the world, smallest trophy cabinet in the world.

I’m not sure the poster said “bigger club” but I think it was “higher standing. ” than Chelsea.

Anyway, they will probably have Champions League football next season and I will be envious of that.


4.) 14 Apr 2024 22:25:48
I don't think they will get Champions League Tom. No chance. Villa have that sown up and the Prem will get 4 places with Gooners and West ham going out this coming week. Doesn't effect Chelsea in the slightest.


5.) 14 Apr 2024 23:20:36
Thanks TomB. A poor cheap shot from G8. I said better position, as in higher income, better stadium and better current squad. Nothing about them being better than us in the last decade or last 20 years though obviously. But G8 can think what he likes.


6.) 15 Apr 2024 09:41:41
I agree with Standard, Spurs are currently run better than us financially, have a better coach and of course a better stadium than ours.

That been said I believe we do have a brighter future if the ground gets built and we can keep out talented young players.


7.) 15 Apr 2024 10:01:23
They certainly have a better stadium than us and only time will tell if they are run better than us financially.

Im just a supporter, so for me the main measurement of a well run club is winning trophies. On that metric the current owners/ management are a total failure.

{Ed001's Note - so clubs such as Rochdale cannot be well run according to you then?}


8.) 15 Apr 2024 10:39:10
Of course they can be well run. I guess it depends on how you measure success. I choose to measure it by the winning of trophies. Other fans might well see staying in a division as success.

{Ed001's Note - you said the main measurement is trophies, but small clubs can't do that can they? That is a ridiculous assertion as the trophies are mostly being picked up by a bunch of cheats who buy the trophies, leaving nothing for actual well run clubs to win anyway.}


9.) 15 Apr 2024 10:51:55
Ed, I said for “me” the main measurement is
winning trophies. Other fans clubs and commentators can choose any other criteria they like to measure success.


10.) 15 Apr 2024 11:45:31
I totally agree with you ED01, many clubs are well run throughout the football pyramid and deserve great praise as well. I have been involved in football for many years and the amount of volunteers who put many hours into non-league clubs be it mowing the lawn, operating turnstiles, running the bar, making hot dogs, arranging fixtures etal is highly commendable and so often overlooked. The clubs with the most money in all leagues from the Premier down to tier 9 and beyond always consistently win the trophies.

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. I dated a woman who was a secretary for a non-League club for a while. The amount of work she put in was insane, as well as holding down a full-time job. I have nothing but respect for those who run small clubs and keep them going despite a lack of funds coming in.}


 

 

13 Apr 2024 14:23:22
Spurs going all Spursy. nothing changes.

G8

 

 

11 Apr 2024 21:53:28
Gasperini would do me as our next manager. Took the scouse apart. love it.

G8

1.) 11 Apr 2024 22:07:17
Not a good result for the Premiership or Champions League qualification positions.


2.) 11 Apr 2024 22:14:51
I don't care about that Tom, doesn't effect Chelsea.


3.) 12 Apr 2024 04:07:47
It might well affect Chelsea.


 

 

08 Apr 2024 21:36:14
I kept my powder dry for 24 hours so I could absorb and take in the season. We are a very talented group of young players who have proved themselves very capable of rising to the occasion and playing well against the top sides bar the scousers away (we played very well against them at home), the goals are now coming and chances are being created (bring in a worldy striker please) . Enzo gets stick from the keyboard warriors but he plays so many lovely balls that would count as assist after assist if our striker/ s could take the chances (put him in a finished side (City/ scousers) and the pundits would be salivating over him) . I have said for a while now we are nearly there and our problems are three-fold.1.Our centre backs need upgrading, Silva is ageing and Levi is injured, Fofana is injured and the jury is still out on Disasi and BB and big Trev (who I like), we do need to recruit 2 world class centre backs and we challenge at that top table! 2, as I said earlier we need that worldy striker (Harry Kane would be my choice) and 3, we need a keeper to compete with the very promising but raw Petrovic. 6th place and The Europa is possible but at the end of the day does that matter that much? maybe it does? What else do we need? We need a head coach who can win the tight games, a head coach who can go toe to toe with the best out there (Klopp) in Cup Finals, a head coach who can get over the line against so called lesser teams, a head coach who doesn't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, a head coach who is on the front foot at 2-1 up and kills the game at 3-1 with the proactive use of subs. Hard to find? yes. out there? yes. Fine lines but we are not far away and finally a special mention for Noni, not many chances this season and gets a lot of stick but his stats for England this season (all be it junior 21's) are good and he turned the game v utd and scored yesterday but never gets a mention? Anyway, just my take on things.

G8

1.) 08 Apr 2024 22:06:26
G8, hindsight’s is a wonderful tool to use even when it works again my own match day comments.

I was recently critical of Poch for not making a definitive substitution against Burnley and then I’m critical of making defensive substitutions against Sheffield Utd.

How fickle are some (me) supporters!


2.) 08 Apr 2024 23:21:41
Couple points, Enzo gets stick because he hasn't been good at chelsea. He was brought in as this great midfeilder and has been outperformed massively by Gallagher who everyone on here hates.

Secondly, to say we're almost there and ready to challenge after 2 world class CB's, a world class striker, a new goalkeeper and a new manager is a bit ludicrous to me. That's 3 positions you want 'world class players for'. Essentially a further 240m investment for the 3 players and a goalkeepeer.

With this club it's 2 steps forward one step back at this point in time. After the highs of United i pleaded caution and next game we get outplayed by the team in last place. Lots of work to do.


3.) 09 Apr 2024 05:54:18
Standard, total rubbish.! Not “everyone hates” Gallagher.

If an agreement for a new contract can’t be reached he will almost certainly be sold. The vast, vast majority of fans would prefer him to stay, including me.


4.) 09 Apr 2024 06:29:06
Standard how exactly has cg put performed enzo? Imo cg is one of the players that makes Chelsea inconsistent, he stick to his role and occasionally does well and I will be happy if he's replaced with an upgrade.
G8 I agree with you on the manager misfit at Chelsea. Poch is never the manager for a Chelsea team, he's not a winner and not even inspiring. He's a botler and seems allergic to winning trophies even when presented. The worst possible manager for Chelsea we can run upto 10 years or more without a tephy and could play in almost all the finals. For me has to go in the summer.


5.) 09 Apr 2024 11:49:07
It's been clear for a while that maybe with the exception of Colwill our CB are not fit for purpose and need replacing.
In addition we have two goalkeepers who would struggle to be 2nd choice at a top club.
So no one should be surprised that we are defensively vulnerable.
Infront of a poor defence we have two currently tired midfield players neither of whom is defensively strong.
Personally at some point I would like to see Caicedo/ Lavia with Fernandez given more freedom to influence the attacking side of the game.
We certainly need a more experienced striker infact it's pretty much a new spine unless Lavia remains fit and makes progress .


6.) 09 Apr 2024 12:06:53
I agree about seeing Enzo play further up the pitch and I think Lavia is class but is he DM or is his position further upfield as well?


7.) 09 Apr 2024 13:10:48
Lavia from what I have seen is more defensively minded than our other options but not strictly a ball winning DM.
That's why I think a Lavia/ Caicedo base in midfield would make us more solid.
Both are capable box to box players and could rotate and cover one another.


8.) 09 Apr 2024 13:22:06
I agree with the majority of your post G8.

However, the fact that you can make a reasonable argument that Chelsea still need to sign a striker, winger, defensive midfielder, centre back and goalkeeper after spending close to a billion pounds is a damning indictment of the job the sporting directors/ scouts are doing.


9.) 09 Apr 2024 14:30:51
Strangely I think I posted last season on how good Lavia was as a player and he totally bossed our midfielders at the bridge.

I would have loved to have seen a bit more of Ugo this season because to me he looks an out and out DM.


10.) 09 Apr 2024 14:40:52
Not everyone Tom for sure but Gallagher cops the most stick out of our midfeild 3 and he's been the best one by far in almost every metric.

RBD, precisely. Its been an absolute waffle job so far though injuries definitely haven't helped. We will have to see but currently its very damning on the recruitment.


11.) 09 Apr 2024 14:43:53
That's the spine of any team that is required to compete at the top level.
Anyone building a new side would look to an experienced - Goalkeeper/ 2CB/ Strong midfield player and Striker and make other signings based on budget after those positions have been filled.
Instead we sign both Monaco CB a third choice keeper from Brentford and a group of talented kids who might make the grade in 2/ 5 years time.
Then wonder why we are inconsistent and defensively vulnerable.


12.) 09 Apr 2024 15:24:17
A few points to raise, first being that in spite of my comment above, I largely agreed with the thinking behind most signings. It's more the prioritisation of the signings and the fees paid relative to need that I have disagreed with.

To my eye, the problem the midfield has is that there is no one who screens the defence. We have players that can do it at the expense of what makes them very good. I assume the thinking is that they want Enzo to ping passes, Caicedo to win the ball back and initiate counters, Lavia to collect the ball and drive into the opposition half? We need someone sitting and screening.

A Lavia-Caicedo partnership asks Enzo to play as a 10, which people have moaned on this site about ad nauseum. An Enzo-Caicedo partnership needs Gallagher to plug the gaps they leave. Lavia-Enzo means you have to drop the 115m pound man because he can't play as a 10 and you'll still need Gallagher. Even if you did bring in a DM who actually screens the defence, you're still going to need to drop one of 'the big 3'.

This all then goes back in a big boring circle to questioning why we bought who we bought.


13.) 09 Apr 2024 16:11:23
RBD and others on this thread.

I keep seeing Caicedo being isolated as a DM with both CG and EF to often giving him zero support. I am one of the fans who sees EF best position as being further up the pitch. Our injuries throughout the season has meant that Poch has virtually been unable to find out the best combination. Let me also add I don’t believe the transfer fee will or should dictate team selection.

I personally would have liked to have seen Ugo play alongside Caicedo but injuries have prevented that.

We are left scratching our heads a bit because without Lavia and Ugo we have not much of idea if our midfield needs to be strengthened.

Let’s also be fair about our CH’s the owners had every right to think that BB would conothe fantastic form he showed last season and that Fofana was over his injury issues. The Disasi signing I’m sti not convinced about even though he did have a purple patch, I am not convinced he is better than Chalaboa. Also, I an only see LC playing as a CH next season as it seems like Cucarella may well be leaving if Utd take up there interest. For next season I would sign the CH from Sporting Lisbon because he just looks class. I would sell BB, Humphrey’s and reluctantly Chalaboa.

I can also sort of understand how the club decided to go with Jackson, Nkunku, Broja, Fofana and Washington when there first choice ST wasn’t available. For next season I would expect us to sell Broja, continue with a loan for Fofana and find a loan for Washington. I would sign Osimhen.

The owners didn’t plan for the injuries and while I don’t like making excuses for the club or the manager. Let’s be honest, the situation hasn’t worked out very kindly for us.


14.) 09 Apr 2024 17:13:13
Let's have it right, Enzo has played further up the pitch on numerous occasions this season and in almost every instance the review after the game has been that he needs to operate deeper in order to have the space to play his game.

There are so many problems that show up week in week out at the moment that its hard to list them all off concisely, but pertaining to Caicedo in particular its true he is often left being asked to make the best decision out of a handful of diabolical choices. Wingers don't come back and defend, Enzo struggles to cover the ground and Gallagher is asked to press from higher up.

Can anyone on here actually explain to me how an Enzo-Lavia-Caicedo midfield would operate given none of them score or assist, none of them screen the defence, none of them win headers (Caicedo if you really squint does) and the entire team tends to disintegrate when Gallagher doesn't play? I just don't see it so if someone thinks differently please let's discuss because I could use some positivity heading into next season.

For all the talk about other deficiencies in the squad, that's 300m of talent that has been outperformed by a player from the academy that was clear to all who have eyes as being earmarked as a banker of a sale by those in charge.


15.) 09 Apr 2024 17:47:58
RBD, the vast majority of games this season Enzo has been asked to play far deeper than I personally think benefits his game. On the odd occasions he has been allowed to play further up the pitch he has created chances.

I can only fairly judge Lavia as a player at Southampton. For me he was a class act. With Ugo it’s difficult because I have seen so little of him.

If we assume CG is going to be sold (I hope not) we may well have four midfielders who are all top class. Also, we have a couple of possible additions to that four within the club that could also present solutions. I’m not going to judge players I’ve seen so little of in a Chelsea shirt.

CG has had a good season but when he hasn’t played I don’t recall walking away from a match thinking the team disintegrated because he wasn’t playing.


16.) 09 Apr 2024 23:52:08
100% RBD.


17.) 10 Apr 2024 01:04:03
Not sure why Enzo has to play as a 10 if we play a Lavia/ Caicedo combo. There are plenty of sides which play a midfield 3 of 1 DM + 2 B2B players, Liverpool is just one example.

I like Gallagher, I want him to stay, but he also sells the team short by diving into tackles or charging to press a player leaving our midfield exposed.

In defence it’s been really difficult with the constant injuries. Disasi had a purple patch but has been off his game recently, was never really sure why he was needed last summer tbh, but he’s also been shuffled between RB and CB and hasn’t had the opportunity to form any sort of partnership at the back. I’m pretty sure him and Badiashile played fairly well together at the start of the season though.

Personally I think we need a ST first and foremost. Don’t particularly think we need any CM’s/ DM’s even if Gallagher leaves. At CB it depends if anyone leaves apart from Silva and Chaloboa. A lot will depend on the fitness of players too. GK is a tough one for me, I don’t see us getting Maignan, been linked with the Valencia GK Mamardashvili but he’s only 23 too. Maybe Diogo Costa but think he’s valued at 60m or so. Otherwise I’m not sure there’s many around that are a massive improvement. If Sterling leaves I’d like Olise to come in.


But mainly we just need to get players fully fit and staying fit.

{Ed001's Note - I have to ask, how is Gallagher charging to press leaving the midfield exposed? Surely they should be using that as a trigger to apply a press across the team? So the fault is with the other players. That is how it works at Liverpool, when one player goes to press, the rest adjust accordingly. What you are actually talking about is poor coaching, not a player's error. The team is not working together as a team, which is the basic level of coaching that a head coach should impart. His whole job is to bring them together as a group and work with each other. He has had nearly a full season of Gallagher playing a central role in the team and he still hasn't managed to organise his team to fit who he plays. That is a reason to sack Pochettino right there.}


18.) 10 Apr 2024 04:01:21
Other than from opposition goal kicks, I don’t see us as a team with any sort of “press”

I assume fuser means CG can make rash challenges.

Anyway,! we all see performances differently.


19.) 10 Apr 2024 08:28:13
Thankyou ED01 for your input, it is so glaringly obvious that Poch needs to go that if Roman was still around he would of sacked him 10 times over by now!

{Ed001's Note - it would be a huge surprise to me if he was not replaced in the summer. It is patently not working, the players are playing better as individuals rather than it being about good team performances that are getting the results.}


20.) 10 Apr 2024 09:43:00
If you want Chelsea to play like Liverpool all you'd need to do is hire Klopp, pray James stays fit because Gusto isn't nearly good enough defensively, then buy a new GK, LW, RW, and CB and bank on each becoming at worst the second best player in the league in each position. Oh and even then, who is your Fabinho? Because it sure isn't one of Caicedo, Enzo or Lavia.

There's nothing I can add on Gallagher that Ed001 hasn't covered in his typically excellent reply.

The rest I largely agree with. Though given Kane and Osimhen are seemingly unlikely to join I think I would keep the faith with Jackson.


21.) 10 Apr 2024 10:41:59
RBD, made my points about our manager before the club decided to sign him.

I think you will be proved very wrong about Caicedo, Lavia and Enzo.

I also think Osimhen will join us instead of PSG.

If we do sign a CH as i've said the lad from Sporting Lisbon looks class and I have a mate who raves about Braithwaite and the toffees may well need to sell.

Unfortunately Klopp isn’t going to manage us but it will be interesting to see who starts as our manager next season.


22.) 10 Apr 2024 11:14:23
Fingers crossed Tom! I'd love to be proven wrong on this, sounds pithy saying it, but all anyone wants on this site is for Chelsea to do well.


23.) 10 Apr 2024 11:24:32
RBD, spot on mate.

Last season I thought the best two midfielders I saw besides those playing for City and one for the happy hammers was Caicedo and Lavia. I’m sure they will come good and for those interested in value in my opinion Lavia will prove a bigger bargain than Palmer.

As far as managers are concerned, if Poch is sacked I would love Carlo back but that ain’t happening. The guy from SL looks scouser bound so now I am looking at as many Feyenoord games as I can find.


24.) 10 Apr 2024 11:44:22
Cannot agree more RBD and thankyou. You've explained my thoughts in a way better way than I could ever type so thankyou.


25.) 10 Apr 2024 12:28:42
RBD. Fabinho doesn't play for Liverpool so I don't quite get your post? Tom. Totally agree with you about Lavia, we have missed him a lot this season and him alongside Moises or Conor with Enzo further forward would be a fantastic midfield 3. Carney can also play in a midfield 3 so Moises, Enzo, Lavia, Carney and Conor competing for 3 starting places would be my choice.


26.) 10 Apr 2024 12:51:10
G8, we currently have seven CM’s in our squad, unfortunately three of them have had virtually season long injuries and another only came back in the last window. Add to that we have the young lad Santos, who looks useful out on loan.

So, we have ended up with just three players playing the vast majority of games.


27.) 10 Apr 2024 13:47:30
Tom, 100% correct. Injuries have cost us dearly. I do believe the plan was to probably pair Lavia and Moises as 6's and give Enzo a bit of freedom to both collect the ball deep when needed and also find those lovely passes further forward. Moises and Lavia giving the protection when needed but also breaking forward to support the attacks. Hopefully we can see that next season with Carney, Conor and as you rightly say one of either Ugo or Santos competing for that 6th spot.


28.) 10 Apr 2024 16:17:16
My point concerning Fabinho is that he screened the defence for that really top Liverpool team, which is a profile we lack currently despite the midfielders that we've purchased. Ed001 may want to correct me, but Endo appears to be filling that role in the Liverpool team this season.


29.) 11 Apr 2024 00:16:57
Ed001, I wasn’t saying it wasn’t a manager issue. Poch should either be training the players to press alongside Gallagher or telling Gallagher not to press by himself. That is on the manager if he’s not doing that. All I see is Gallagher diving in and opposition players just going straight through our midfield ??‍♂️ not just with pressing either, when the opposition is counter attacking he’ll dive into a tackle and be completely bypassed.

{Ed001's Note - you did write it like it was Gallagher's fault though, as you were talking about how he leaves the midfield exposed.}


30.) 11 Apr 2024 08:01:16
It’s not stick if it’s valid, sometimes his been amazing, other times his gone missing, and enzo on Sunday was very poor which the stats proved, and I know you didn’t mean me with the keyboard warrior as I have been very much on the bandwagon with enzo, and unfortunately see him as a Madridsta who could take over from modric / kroos at some point. anyway,

Noni flying for u21 against Azerbaijan u21, and Luxembourg u21, hardly the measuring stick is it, but like you say, hasn’t had too many chances, has only really looked good as an impact sub, most starts in league and despite a very good goal, overall, another poor game Sunday

And the manager points or the issues, I agree, we haven’t had a settled back line, Fofana who is class can’t be relied upon nor can James, that’s massive issue. Silva is a leader but with him we play 20 yards deeper and that seems to ruin any pressing or build up play, or “ patterns” for the fans of football buzzwords,
Badiahile again I was a fan, seems a different player, disasi is a squad player. Does ok, some good fames ans some not so good, the the question is, these two partnered for Monaco and wernt solid. Did we think they’d be better in premier league? Then there’s the players were linked with, not only very expensive, but young, in there first or second full seasons at respective clubs. I’m still waiting for some more astute signings like we thought we were getting, the ones that cost £5m and could go for £105m, this Brighton model we seem to of tried to imitated poorly,

Now. a striker. A world class striker moves us up the table, whoever the manager is. What mangers out there are available and clearly an improvement on poch, give poch a striker and cb and a no1 goalkeeper and who knows. My issues have always been how we have spent £1b and we still need a spine of a team and vital positions. That’s pretty unacceptable surely people can see that, and also if we want a project aren’t we going to give a manager more than a year before moving them on,
So
1) keep poch for one more season to see a settle environment
2) no more Brazilian wonder kids for 2030 but a ST CB AND GK who are ready made and improve is NOW
3) better luck with injuries - find a solution or the cause
4) stop signing so many, use the academy for squad players and opportunities,
5) smaller squad, move on lots of players still, if injuries carry over to next season, promote from within and fill spots. Less pressure on them and they’d have more patience and support given by us fans.


31.) 11 Apr 2024 19:18:20
I enjoyed your post Matt.


 

 

06 Apr 2024 10:01:54
I would like to see just the one change for Tomorrow's game, Big Trev to come in for BB. Let's keep the continuity.

G8

1.) 06 Apr 2024 12:51:54
I think Trev wi start in front of Disasi, Gilchrist instead of Gusto and Sterling instead of Mudryk.

Not who I would pick it’s just what I think will happen.


2.) 06 Apr 2024 13:51:35
Looking forward to trek starting. I'm most confident in him out of all our CB's.


 

 

 

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15 Apr 2024 09:58:51
So would I Tom. For clarity, I was asking the question about Conor playing in the 6!

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14 Apr 2024 22:21:30
Read the posts Pochempire and keep up?.

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14 Apr 2024 20:42:39
I agree with you Blueboy1 in the 10 role but would you play him deeper in place of Moises or Enzo?

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23 Mar 2024 21:35:41
By outrageous signings, you clearly mean outrageously good signings, Yes, I agree, I think the investment in quality young players is to be applauded. Cutting the wage bill too. We are in good shape moving forward. And did you watch Enzo tonight? and Conor? if you didn't, you might want to.

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22 Mar 2024 21:42:28
If they are truly good enough and both parties want a Chelsea future it will happen. JT, went on loan, came back and the rest is history. (Bates era), Rice, deemed not good enough (Roman era), Musiala, chose to leave (Roman era), James (Both club and player wanted it to happen (Roman era) . Tammy, wanted to stay but not a TT pick so left (Roman era) . the list is endless.

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16 Apr 2024 15:56:42
Wrong again lol.

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15 Apr 2024 11:45:31
I totally agree with you ED01, many clubs are well run throughout the football pyramid and deserve great praise as well. I have been involved in football for many years and the amount of volunteers who put many hours into non-league clubs be it mowing the lawn, operating turnstiles, running the bar, making hot dogs, arranging fixtures etal is highly commendable and so often overlooked. The clubs with the most money in all leagues from the Premier down to tier 9 and beyond always consistently win the trophies.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. I dated a woman who was a secretary for a non-League club for a while. The amount of work she put in was insane, as well as holding down a full-time job. I have nothing but respect for those who run small clubs and keep them going despite a lack of funds coming in.}


 

 

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14 Apr 2024 22:25:48
I don't think they will get Champions League Tom. No chance. Villa have that sown up and the Prem will get 4 places with Gooners and West ham going out this coming week. Doesn't effect Chelsea in the slightest.

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14 Apr 2024 21:52:06
When did Spurs last win the league Tom? Someone on here called them a bigger club than us a while back?.

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13 Apr 2024 10:55:18
I hope we spend another 1 billion in the summer. The reaction of the pundits and trolls will be priceless.

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