Chelsea Banter Archive August 05 2018

 

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05 Aug 2018 22:43:56
Seasons predictions.
Top 4 .
Liverpool and man city look way ahead of everyone . Think Liverpool will win the league this year . Next two teams I haven't a clue. Arsenal Chelsea Spurs Man U anyone's guess. Man U look in Jose season 3 meltdown, Spurs may get 3rd, Arsenal and Chelsea hard to predict Will one team do well under a new manager and the other take longer to adjust . Very hard to predict this year,

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05 Aug 2018 23:42:56
Yeah Liverpool and City will definitely get top 4 and they'll be the two fighting for the title, although City are still miles ahead of everyone and i'd fully expect them to win it again. Think people are underestimating Arsenal, they've done some nice business and although they won't challenge for the title i'd expect them to get into the top 4 with their squad. United if they get Alderweireld and a RW which seems possible i think they'll be a strong side. Think people are overreacting to their preseason, missing players and still need to do bussiness but fully expect them to be alright. With us and Spurs, both teams haven't added quality into their teams and seemingly won't do much more business either. Personally once everybody's back and fit i think we have a better squad than Spurs and maybe United. I just think with a new manager and a new system they need to get used to i don't think we'll be consistant enough to get top 4, personally think we should take the Europa league very seriously since it could end up being our best chance to get back into the champions league.

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05 Aug 2018 19:19:24
Hazard, Azpi, Jorginho, Kante are the only top players we have. We really are going to be in trouble if one of them picks up an injury this season (May God forbid) . Last seasons thrashing by Watford and Newcastle shall be the norm.

NB: I totally support Sarri. It's the board that has me a bit gutted.

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05 Aug 2018 20:25:10
I think Azpi is a quality defender. But I’m not sure if he’s a quality RB in a Sarri system. It will be interesting to see. His passing was poor today when he got pressured.

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05 Aug 2018 22:05:15
You need to watch the way you speak about azpi king frank.

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05 Aug 2018 22:47:47
KingFrank I made this your exact same point about Azpi not been optimal for that RB role anymore some weeks back. I prefer Moses for that RB role currently cos it might be easier for Moses to adapt to that position than Azpi. If Azpi is to play RB again, it will take him some time to adapt and be excellent at that role. You can see how difficult it is for Alonso to adapt again to LB role (from the left wing back position that he was used to) . My fear for Azpi is that he might not be optimal too- playing in a two man central defense, if the coach was to move him to centre back.

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06 Aug 2018 08:09:40
Frank - been saying this for a few months now. As good as Azpi has been, his performances have dropped. He doesn’t look happy at right back. I love the bloke, but feel him and Alonso are there to be got at every game. Alonso is particular. He’s awful.

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06 Aug 2018 13:04:28
I feel It is easier to convert an ageing (experienced) player from RB/ LB to CENTRE BACK than from CENTRE BACK to RB/ LB.
I also think that it's easier to convert a Wingback to a fullback than convert a centre back to a full back.
It's like water flowing uphill (very difficult) - trying to convert a Centre back to a wingback.

NB- The position of a WB > FB require players with relatively more mobility compared to a centre back; and mobility is one thing that reduces with age.
In conclusion, Moses and Zappacosta should be adapted to become our RB (right full backs) while Alonso and Emerson should be adapted to become our LB (left full backs) . Azpi will defend better than Moses or Zappacosta in the box, but he would slow us down when the fullbacks need to attack (or overlap) and if our full backs aren't overlapping, we can't say that we are attacking team.

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07 Aug 2018 11:37:02
going loko down in bakayoko - Don't get your knickers in a twist, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

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05 Aug 2018 19:19:15
relax guys
we had the spine of our team out today
they basically other than kdb and goalie had a full team out

we have arguably the best goalie midfielder and attacker in world football to come back
we have a new manager and style to start from scratch
i was really looking forward to luiz coming back but he has lost a yard defo
rudiger and christensen would be my choice now
jorginio looks good but he is quite slow so him and fabregas is a definite no no
im really chuffed with today because we didn't have our best team out by a country mile new system and players and had 50 50 posession with argualbly best teams in europe compare that to last year when we hardly got out of our own half and couldn't string a pass
barkley hasn't played for over a year and came up against a very good city today and can only get better
jorginhio looks class in his first competitive match in england
we have kante hazard and tibo to come back and willian first game back so not at the races
i think alonso is to slow for a back four imo
but if we can keep our best players get fit and match city for pocession for first time in a long time il be happy
yes we weren't great today but i was entertained with the way we could play in future with our best players not sitting on our 18 yard line and praying for a break

my team to win the league
tibo if he stays or butland

azpi rudiger andreas lb not alonso

kante/ bakayoko jorginho barkley / cheek

willian morata/ michy hazard/ hudson

such a great team on paper get them playing sarri my man and it will be entertaining and trophy laden
ktbbffh coyb its going to be 1 hell of a ride boys.

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05 Aug 2018 19:36:34
Courtois is by far from the best goalie in world football. Not even top 5 for me.

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05 Aug 2018 19:51:52
So out of all that you come up with a negative typical kingfrank geez lighten up mate.

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05 Aug 2018 19:53:05
Best keeper in world cup as well.

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05 Aug 2018 20:17:16
I respect all posters and there opinions, so I will only say we will only realise how good Courtois is when he is gone.

Every regular poster will recall my opposition to Sarri but I am first and foremost a true Chelsea fan so I really hope he gets the players on board with his methods.

The gaps today between the lines was alarming and made to look a lot worse by a lack of legs in midfield.

I’m pretty sure I will almost alone in thinking that Cahill still has a role in a back four. At least he knows how to defend.

I would prefer to see Emerson rather than Alonso at LB but nether fill me confidence.

My guess is Butland and a mobile midfielder will join our merry band this week.

Just as an aside, why did Kompany, Mendy and Walker manage to get over the rigours of a World Cup but players like Cahill, Michy, Hazard, Giroud, Kante didn’t? I guess it’s down to a club decision!

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05 Aug 2018 20:27:54
Not negative just honest. Everyone’s entitled to an opinion. Courtois is negative as soon as things go bad he wants to leave. He’s better off going it’s bad for squad morale. He’s a very good keeper no doubt but world class? Na not at all pal! Oblak, Neuer and De Gea are the only three world class keepers in my eyes. Courtois gets beat at the near post and through his legs all the time. Take the rose tilted glasses off and stop being biast.

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05 Aug 2018 22:02:52
King Frank if you read my original post it's hardly rose tinted
Fabregas luiz and Alonso were a no-no
Do you want to go back to 5 at back 4 in midfield and 1 upfront on our 18 yard line hoping for a counter attack look at our last 4 games against city and that was our best possession by a mile yes we didn't create much but we will BB when our best players come back.

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05 Aug 2018 22:07:25
Sorry rose tilted.

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05 Aug 2018 18:09:30
When you look at our defense, you see why Conte changed to three central defenders at the back. Like I posted before the only central defender at the club that can play in two-man central defense is Rudiger. Ampadu will do a better job in that central defense compared to what D. Luiz is doing (at least he learns in the role) . Hudson Odoi is ready.

Sarri is right to demand for another midfielder (esp central attacking midfield) . I feel Moses should be moved to RB and make him overlap to help the attack.

Barkley- adapting; Alonso- still learning the role; Pedro- I don't know.
I believe the club will still do something before the transfer window closes- coupled with our senior players coming back to the team- we should be fine.

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05 Aug 2018 18:46:36
i dunno is barkley good enough full stop. im not sure why there is such negativity towards alonso he always does his job an i felt he is d 1 who gets hudson odoi into the game when he went off last week an emerson came on v arsenal emerson wasnt getting the ball to hudson.

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05 Aug 2018 17:18:57
OK trying to think of something positive to say, um, er - it could have been 10-0 to City?! They've spent their money well and looked a couple of leagues better than us.

We were all over the place at the back at times, but offered almost no threat at all up front. Sarri is going to have to think hard and fast about how to play with the squad he's got (and if Eden watched the game today he's probably on the phone to Real Madrid as I write this) .

But must try and end on bright note. Hudson-Oloi again showed promise, pace and skill. Jorginho will be hugely helped by Kante's presence. Barkley had a couple of good moments and Willian was there and trying. Sarri has only just arrived. We might ) please! ) add a bit of attacking quality before window closes. And we can only get better!?

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05 Aug 2018 18:47:55
i agree kante will definetly steady that midfield fabregas days looked bumbered now a sub role i would assume but yeah odoi is probably d only thing u can say positive.

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05 Aug 2018 18:49:19
Couple of leagues better get a grip.

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05 Aug 2018 20:39:15
You need to watch the way you speak to people loco In Bakayoko.

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05 Aug 2018 22:03:37
Why king francis.

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05 Aug 2018 22:16:23
It should always be fun and polite.

After all, it’s supposed to be a banter site, we all see things differently and we are all entitled to our opinions!

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05 Aug 2018 23:16:42
agreed tom i never take offence to any1s opinions on here.

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06 Aug 2018 07:35:26
There is no site without people expressing 'their' opinion which can lead to an exchange of opinion but there is no 'correct comment' just the ones we prefer to read. Ask ten people on here for their preferred line-up versus Huddersfield and you would probably get ten different answers.

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05 Aug 2018 17:10:19
Our midfield was non existent today, Fabregas simply can't play against any half decent team as it's just like playing with 10 men.

Morata had no service, but he still looked woeful whenever he did touch the ball.

And the defence, where do I start? Terrible.

But thankfully this game means nothing for the season ahead, but we need to see a huge improvement that's for sure.

Sarri is going to need time to get this team playing how he wants, luckily we still have our two best players to come back in Hazard and Kante.

No point dwelling on today's performance, just hope for slow improvements in the coming weeks!

Cmon Chelsea!

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05 Aug 2018 18:48:38
bobby maorata my god what are we going to do with him he reminds me so much of the torres of chelsea no confidence an finishing awfull.

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05 Aug 2018 16:46:44
we need luiz well away from our back 4 . specially in a 2 man centre halfs.

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05 Aug 2018 18:49:14
i hate d way they backed off allowing aguero to easily score go an attack the boy we all no wat hel do if u back off.

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05 Aug 2018 16:37:09
I'm usually a positive poster but.

Defensively we're terrible. Azpi is the only one of those that should be near the first team. Everyone moaned about going for a new CB. we now see why.

Cesc poor, Barkley poorer. Feel sorry for Morata, no service but his general play was poor. Can also see why we need more quality in midfield. Obviously with Kante coming back the gives us the legs we're missing but RLC should get a chance over the rest.

Is going to be a long season if we don't sort this situation out, a lot of work to be done in the coming days.

On a positive note. Jorginho played well, Odoi did ok and Willian was committed when he came on.

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05 Aug 2018 17:07:11
When Kante comes back Jorginho will be benched. He might need time to adapt to PL football on the other hand he won't be first player who came from Italy and one is not able to adapt to PL.

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05 Aug 2018 17:30:00
Fabregas is the one who needs to be benched, not Jorginho!

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05 Aug 2018 17:51:16
Jorginho will be benched? What on earth.

Not entirely sure why Sarri insisted on playing the offside trap over and over again while Rudiger and Luiz were destroyed on numerous occasions.

Desperately need Michy back who will sniff chances out of thin air.

Alonso also incredibly slow and would like to see Emerson get a run of games.

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05 Aug 2018 18:51:10
did u really say jorhinho will be benched haha for crying out load he is probably d best passer of a ball i ever saw he's a gem . him an kante and probably rlc 3 man mid.

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05 Aug 2018 21:47:43
Jorginho and Kante play at the same position. Or there so many guys who don't understand football among Chelsea supporters.
Jorginho made 3 or 4 capital mistakes today . PL football is far quicker than Italian.

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05 Aug 2018 23:19:14
u certainly don't understand football if u think jorginho will be dropped. he made mistakes because he was playing with 2 rubbish midfielders. his main mistake was because fabregas gave him a rubbish pass when there was 3 city players on top of him . his passing stood out a mile put kante next to him hel have plenty of cover an buy another cm cause nobody at d club is good enough not barkley fabregas rubbishayoko 😊😂😂😂.

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06 Aug 2018 06:37:57
As far as I remember you're the one who claimed that Bakayoko is a midfield solution and that we won't feel feel absence of Matic and Costa wirh Morata as perfect signing.
So much. It's pointless.

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06 Aug 2018 11:42:41
i did feel both would suit us to the ground but i guess not every player is suited to pl football even a machine like falcao flopped.

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05 Aug 2018 16:36:53
Gonna be a long season. It's going to take Sarri at least 12 months to make it his team. Alonso and Fabregas are just too slow we knew that last season. Just goes to smow now we're average without Kante or Hazard.

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05 Aug 2018 16:24:33
what were learning today. david luiz is still a terrible centre back always was always will be fantastic on the ball not so much marking players. pedro fabregas barkley drinkwater morata absoloute rubbish . looking forward to seen kanta jorginho an who ever in a 3 man midfield.
1 big point here is how did we manage to sign jorginho over city😂 he is an amazing footballer hed the only 1 standing out today for us.

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05 Aug 2018 16:34:31
Few agree but I would put Luiz in midfield with Jorghino and Kante which gives us everything we need, Fabregas and so far, Barkley are poor, the latter looks woefully short of fitness. Pedro doesn't last 90 minutes so why not take him off and leave Hudson-Odoi on, our only serious threat. We have some pace in the team but today they look as if they have lead boots on.

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05 Aug 2018 16:45:55
luiz isn't quick enough for. midfield or intelligent enough hed let too many players run off him.

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{Ed018's Note - I wouldn’t put Luiz anywhere near that midfield. They’d be running past him at will}

05 Aug 2018 16:46:16
hope kante hazard improves us.

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05 Aug 2018 17:14:31
Pathetic performance. City could have scored 3 or 4 near the end. We have so many players who aren't up to the required standard.

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05 Aug 2018 18:51:45
thats due to the board buying players who aren't good enough to save money.

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07 Aug 2018 11:31:48
We got Jorginho because he wouldn’t get in the City team and he wants to play football. I’ve got high hopes for him but let’s not get it twisted, he’s not THAT good.

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05 Aug 2018 16:24:03
For the life of me I don't understand why Hudson Odoi came off instead of Pedro.

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05 Aug 2018 16:28:39
agreed i hate pedro.

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05 Aug 2018 16:38:33
I don’t understand either. I’d start Hudson-Odoi and Hazard against Huddersfield. At least they can go past players 1v1.

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05 Aug 2018 16:46:56
agreed let's not get carried away with odoi he's only a young lad we don't want to put too much pressure on him an ruin him.

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05 Aug 2018 16:23:05
I know it's only pre season but we've got a lot of work today. Too many of our players aren't mobile enough.

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05 Aug 2018 16:29:55
too many players simply not good enough kong drogba. we look miles off city today and its showing how far off we are from city liverpool and spurs at the minute our defense looks woefull our midfield is been cut to shreds and we don't have a decent striker.

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07 Aug 2018 11:32:23
Way off the pace and running out of time. City aren’t looking particularly sharp neither.

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05 Aug 2018 16:00:24
Always going to be a tough match and we have done well to hold it at 1-0. Hudson-Odoi, a boy oozing confidence but our only penetration. We will not get anywhere playing Fabregas and Barkley alongside Jorghino, he needs Kante and another decent midfielder alongside him as clearly his main strength is playmaking not intense defending.

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05 Aug 2018 16:25:59
It all boils down to spending the money. A good opposition shows you your lapses.

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05 Aug 2018 16:31:40
i agree obina we wasted money penny pinching with drinkwater barkley zapacosta pedro etc an blew huge money on an average player like morata and bakayoko. instead of buying 2 or 3 top class players we instead brought rubbish who we are now stuck with and nobody wants cause we over paid for every single 1 of them.

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05 Aug 2018 13:01:39
I can see this Willian saga ending up like Ashley Cole and gallas. A deadline day swap. Willian for martial.

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05 Aug 2018 14:36:56
I hope so.

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05 Aug 2018 16:32:34
the difference is in this day an age we wouldn't be able to compete for ashley cole and martial is no ashley cole he's a lazy prospect who can't get a game with a bamg average united team.

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05 Aug 2018 12:23:44
Off to the game today, might be a friendly but Wembley fixtures are always exciting and it would be nice for Sarri to win his first bit of silverware. I’m most excited about seeing Hudson-Odoi and even Barkley properly in the flesh, expecting big things this season!

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05 Aug 2018 13:39:35
dont expect much from barkley i watched him wednesday v arsenal in the aviva he was truly awfull especially trackimg back our midfield looked non existant at times . fabregas an barkley aren't good enough. im also excited for hudson hope he shines today he looks an amazing talent.

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05 Aug 2018 14:19:24
I’m trying to stay optimistic about Barkley, he’s still young enough to come through but this season will probably be make or break. With Jorginho and Kante he should get some freedom to go forward and do his best work.

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05 Aug 2018 16:33:13
dont honestly he's dreadfull. mate so is fabregas and drinkwater we are getting absoloutely embarrased out there.

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05 Aug 2018 09:14:17
Have two tickets for today's game but today I'm getting married which isn't ideal, so if anybody wants to go instead of me, her names stephanie snd it's in St. Andrews church Ipswich. Come on Chelsea.

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05 Aug 2018 10:10:33
is she fit lol. congrats mate!

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05 Aug 2018 10:31:28
Hahahah good one, Matt! If this isn't a joke, then congratulations :-)

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05 Aug 2018 11:01:29
Must be a special kind of Saint Stephanie to listen to your constant moaning lol congrats.

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05 Aug 2018 11:47:12
Congrats Matt. Hope we win the game be a good gift from the boys to you.

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05 Aug 2018 13:40:21
class comment bakayoko😂😂.

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05 Aug 2018 14:02:56
Congrats Matt, you miserable buggar! My deepest sympathies for the wife!

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05 Aug 2018 14:20:29
Congrats G.

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05 Aug 2018 14:57:57
Poor woman, there is always someone worse off than yourself. The grooms speech should be a bundle of laughs.

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Review Of The Day 5th August 2018

05 Aug 2018 05:39:39
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 5th August 2018

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05 Aug 2018 09:02:20
Cheers Ed001, always a good read. Your thoughts on Bent vs. Clement?

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{Ed001's Note - both have a point. Clement is a good coach but a hopeless manager who plays dreadful football. Bent is a lazy waste of talent, which is why he never achieved once he got his big move. I just think Clement should have not bothered to respond to be honest. When you are in the position he is in you should rise above this stuff.}

05 Aug 2018 09:09:24
That's fair- did you catch Friday's game?

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{Ed001's Note - yes mate, both sides have a lot of work to do. Especially that Derby defence, they need a lot of drilling together to figure out their positions. At times the centre backs were splitting but no one was dropping between them, so there was a huge gaping hole in the centre. Other times Keogh, who is absolutely bloody hopeless on the ball, was dropping into a sweeper role, when he simply isn't good enough on the ball to play it. Not sure if Davies, his partner is good enough to do that either, so he needs to look at stopping that and just playing an old fashioned back four or he will find those dangerous giveaways will cost them games time and time again.}

05 Aug 2018 09:25:59
Agree totally. Thought Derby didn't use Mount and Wilson enough, Lawrence was too selfish at times and Nugent was totally isolated.

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{Ed001's Note - Lampard has told Lawrence to play that way, but I agree, he was shooting too much. Wilson never got into the game at all, which seems a waste when you have a talent like that on the pitch to barely give him the ball. I think Lampard is lacking some experience on the bench. There is a lack of someone there who has been there and done it as a coach or manager. They are all just retired players.}

05 Aug 2018 10:01:25
That's fair. I think Jody Morris is his most experienced backroom member and whilst he has been very successful, it's only at youth level so far.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, you need someone with experience to guide you when you start out. That seems badly missing with Derby. It doesn't matter if Frank ignores their advice, he just needs someone there to give that view based on experience.}