Chelsea Banter Archive March 06 2012

 

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06 Mar 2012 22:58:54
{Ed022's note - brand new player profile on Christian Eriksen of Ajax, linked with the likes of Chelsea. www.player-profiles.co.uk - thanks all.}

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06 Mar 2012 21:56:33
Finally something to cheer on. Good game. When you see Obi Mikel RUNNING! That must mean something. You get used to the low pace of the team during the season, but one thing for sure out of today is - we had the tempo and the desire.

We were solid and St.Andrews is not an easy place to play. Don't want to single out anyone, but i think we played motivated and with purpose.

Congrats to all! KTBFFH

JG

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06 Mar 2012 21:52:22
What are some of you saying about Torres. He has shown the passion and put in the effort we want from all the players. I know we still need more, a goal is all thats missing. He won a penalty and laid one on a plate for Sturridge. If only some of the chances that Sturridge gets would fall to Torres to get him going. Sturridge in the last 3 games has missed four great chances. One for England. Two against WBA which a top striker would finish and that miss tonight. All said and done Delighted to be in the next round. Felt Luiz had a good solid game at the back, Rameries did well again. Feel our midfield needs to give more in the centre.
Hopefully we can push on and get a winning streak going.

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If Sturridge could pass a ball like Torres did for him, he would have plenty of tap in's.

Kenny

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06 Mar 2012 21:52:07
Does anyone know who trains in nr 91?
Eds?

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06 Mar 2012 21:24:08
shouda let torres take the peno

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Youre kidding, right?

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06 Mar 2012 21:17:12
I Can not understand how bad FT is, i mean i know he won a penalty but touch pace passing awareness... It's all gone...

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Your talking absolute rubbish. If you look in the first half how many one touch passes he made to create chances it's unreal, he just needs players to do that for him. All the other attributes come with playing time and proper match fitness.

FT9

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Please get off of his back. He had a chance, missed badly, happens to all. Played well, played with energy and devotion.

He is unlucky, with both confidence and last touch. That is true, but please... He is our player, we are fighting for this season to saved, get around the team. They need our unconditional support. Wait until the summer and send your wishlists to the board.

JG

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Running around and trying hard should be a given when being a pro footballer.
The bloke needs to be told to play his game in the box not drift out left and right all the time.
His first touch is average at best.
Grant holt , Steven fletcher , Danny graham , all average strikers that have more goals , show better quality touches and run around more than Torres.
For 50 million I want more than running around , I want quality and goals.
Cfcmatt.

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I do think that all of us, including the club, management and Torres himself agree with you.

JG

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06 Mar 2012 21:17:04
Do Chelsea not want Torres to score? The game is over yet mata takes it. Stupid.

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06 Mar 2012 20:47:22
We always hear ex-pro's saying "you never lose it" and I use to think this was true.
But gentlemen I give you...... Fernando Torres. The bloke has lost it.
Please prove me wrong Fernando.
But I'm not holding my breath.
Cfcmatt.

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06 Mar 2012 20:45:55
{Ed022's note - brand new player profile on Seydou Doumbia of CSKA Moscow, linked with Chelsea in recent times. Profiles now have an added comment section to you can comment directly on players with your thoughts/banter with other fans. Thanks all. www.player-profiles.co.uk}

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06 Mar 2012 20:39:00
Half time. Have been impressed with Kalou so far. Shown good attitude. Surprisingly Mikel and Mereiles have been decent enough too. Defence solid as yet. Bertrandhaving a solid game too. Overall a good performance but we need a goal, extra time would do us no favours against Stoke or Napoli.

Badger {Ed002's Note - Kalou? I am guessing you have an old video tape stuck in the machine and playing.}

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I had also thought kalou has been playing well and his pace has added a new dimension to Chelsea's game. He is doing a better job than Malouda on the wing and it also frees up Mata for a freer role in midfield so overall it is a positive.

Rowan

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Badger you can't be serious? Kalouless has been as shocking as ever, Mikel has just been doing his usual- nothing more nothing less and Meireles has only completed about 2 passes to a player wearing the same shirt as him!

RC

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Ed would agree re Kalouless and its the same old problem the 2 in the centre of the park are giving us nothing, side way passes or backwards, surely there are better players in the club

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2 better 2 play in the centre piazon and mceachran, well maybe in 2 years

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Kalou is dreadful, seriously come on.

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"Kalouless" - that is excellent RC - I love it. Rolls off the tongue.

LIVERPRES

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Kalou is exactly what we need at the moment, he may lack quality but you have to say he is pretty unpredictable.

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Kalou we have to forget this type of name if we have to fight for the top fligt...he looks shocking...even in the first he almost make a mess of the ball it was lucky mata had the ball and put it in the goal...to me Torres has played very good he has won penalty, he cross the ball to Sturidge which he should have the goal...but all over it has been a very good match..chelsea for life.

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06 Mar 2012 19:28:14
This is such an important game in our season and I thought he would go 4 4 2 as I think thats the way he liked to play at WBA. Must say I hope the guys put up a real good performance tonight. The selection will cause the same rumblings as before. Almost all on this site say Mikel and Mereiles are just not good enough yet they are selected again. So lets just get behind the team and hope we can get through into the next round. At least the bench looks strong if we're in trouble.

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Am rating mikels game so far (half time)

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06 Mar 2012 18:43:32
I have posted this awhile back, but now that our manager is gone (and i just felt he is too stubborn to change anything on the pitch, or tweak his ideas) , I hope a change to formation will be implemented.

Look, we only have one wi ger in Malouda and you can't say he is in form. Most of us hate the look of seeing him near the pitch, let alone on it. Basicly if we employ this 4-3-3, we play at least two players out of position and it hardly does us any good. We don't play to their strenghts and it doesn't help us at all.

I hope we swich to 4-4-2 diamond. Most of the players played that under Ancelotti for some games in the last couple of seasons, some of it was played under Mourinho as well, so it ain't that unfamiliar.

I would wish the manager tried this if not this game, then at leas later on in the season, given time.
My team would be:
Cech
Iva-Luiz-Cahill-Cole
Essien
Ramires-Lampard
Mata
Sturridge-Drogba/Torres

JG

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Fair point mate, but its not a simple as just the manager changing the formation. Every chelsea team(first team, reserves, and all of the youth teams) play 4-3-3.

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06 Mar 2012 18:41:43
Hi ed is there any truth regarding chelsea's intrest in appointing Nick Barton in the management set up? {Ed002's Note -

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06 Mar 2012 17:32:10
Really looking forward to game this evening. Tonight we will find out if the players wanna play for Chelsea or
Just didn't wanna play under avb. A big rally til end season. Get 4th and maybe fa cup and bring in someone who has the bottle to stand up to players but keep few on board , I'd love the Germany manager or hiddink but his tied to new job now. Don't want rafa, or sven. Wud love Jose back but can't see it, good luck cfc !

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06 Mar 2012 17:18:49
Just a thought but what are people's feelings on the following-

Cech

Ivan Luiz/Terry Cahill Cole/Bertrand

Lampard Ess Ramires

Drogba

Torres Mata

A bit out there but with Drogba being good in the air and winning the 'flick ons' to 2 quick players who can communicate well I'd give it a go.... what harm could it do?

RC

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Drogba has become too lazy and heartless to give him a playmaker's role ,, would give mata this role and put torres with sturridge upfront instead of playing him on the right wing

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I dont care what any one says ive seen sturridge miss 5 easy chances the last 3 games

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I've been saying this for so long now- Sturridge is just an average player and nowhere near as good as people make out. I just don't see a future for him at Chelsea, the best he'll ever be if he stays is another Kalou. He'll pop up with an occasional goal but most of the time he'll give the ball away or fall over it and get knocked over like a little boy!

RC

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06 Mar 2012 16:29:03
whilst writing this I know for a fact that I will get criticised by the majority but here goes it anyway. I check this website 3/4 times a day but I am so appalled and to be honest, a bit fed up with the way the club is run that I have chosen to boycott watching anymore games this season. Therefore I will not be able to contribute much and so, well done ed's (especially ed002) and I will see you guys again come june 1st - hopefully we'll be making progress in the right direction.

Love Chelsea Hate the Board

Vincent {Ed002's Note - Skipping the Champions League final Vincent?}

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Haha as shocked/ecstatic as I would be if that happened, yes. I am a man of my word (and a stubborn b*****d as well). But good luck ed, some of the crap you put up with is at times saintly and I look forward to the summer

Vincent

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06 Mar 2012 16:08:04
There is very little point taking anything too seriously that is being printed in the media at the moment. While I understand some of the senior players may have had a problem with Villas Boas, there have been messages of support leaking out from elsewhere in the squad so he wasn't in there all on his own. I'm sure he was upset but the Daily Mirror is absolute garbage at the best of times and that article was completely ridiculous. The press are jumping on the Russians back at the minute, and siding with AVB. That is fair enough I think, he is a huge managerial talent and should have been given more time and I honestly think this decision could come back to haunt us at some point in the future. But at the same time I can also see why he was relieved of the post as well. The team has been alarmingly bad since the turn of the year, and that is the players fault as much as anyones, but the systems he tried were just not good enough. I do feel sorry for him, and would love to see him succeed in the future, just so long as he doesnt end up at Liverpool or Spurs. I hope some of the usual suspects do get moved on in the summer, and that a genuine attempt to break up the old spine is made. For now we need to get behind the team, get behind Robbie, and hope to god Van Persie splinters his pancreas in the next few days!!

Blue25

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Amen to that Blue25, especially the Van Persie part.

Kenny.

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06 Mar 2012 16:01:41
"The Madness of The Roman Emperor"

Chelsea fans won't want to hear it and yet in many ways they are as culpable as the Roman Emperor: when the high-profile players needed someone to stand up to them, heads went down and people scurried for the bunkers. The madness that now swirls around the club is as a result of this and poses a serious issue for the club's credibility more than any other thing.

Stephen Boyd and Sophia Loren watched as Christopher Plummer set the real Roman Empire (movies of course) on its way to a fiery demise in 1965. Nearly a half century later the Roman Emperor wearing blue and speaking to no-one presides over an empire that has crumbled as quickly as Bayern Munich's recent revival. Forget the Champions' League and fourth in the PL - the real damage is to your status as a progressive club. I'm pleased there is paper talk of Mourinho asking for £1million a month to come back. It's all tosh as it will prove in the next few weeks, but the reality is that nobody in their right football mind would want this 'basket case' of a job, unless it was for more of the Roman Emperor's dubious money.

Howard Hughes chucked millions of dollars at projects in the 30s and 40s and made himself a legend of the last century. Abramovich will make himself a laughing stock of the football world as he simply throws millions away on short-term thinking. If he asked AVB to come in and clear out the old guard, what did he expect when he tried to do it? If he thought it was right to hire and instruct him to do that, then why give up when the divas bleated loudly? Lampard, Drogba and a few others have little more than a season or two left at the highest level. It is hard to move on such players, but isn't this what the club needs and RA wanted? Isn't that why he brought AVB in? So why did he abandon this 'project' and cabe in to these divas? More short-term thinking and no long term plan.

Lampard and co. have past history in bleating: FL walked out of an England set-up when he was on the bench and his ego is well known in the game. Forget people like Ray Wilkins who today said the players were a delight to work with. He is hardly likely to bite any hand these days such is his reputation for fence sitting.

The Roman Emperor has shamed the management game with his shoddy hiring and then firing of AVB. I'm not sure he was ever up to the job, so what does that say of the man who thought he was and paid millions to hire him? This is the same man who has told the players to buck up their ideas and hinted that he will be moving some of them on this summer. But isn't that what he hired AVB to do? Madness!

Benitez has said he wants a club to manage that will win things (a bit like Curbishley who has been out of work for years) and odd that these people ONLY want to manage a winning side. Heaven forbid they should have to work to PRODUCE such a side in the first place! But in many ways Benitez is lucky he has seen the light that is dimming rapidly at Chelsea.

Abramovich has damaged the Chelsea name and made the club look inept. It has also raised the issue of rich men with little knowledge of the game simply throwing millions away on vanity projects. If Chelsea FC wants to be respected in Europe and win the 'big prize' then it needs to do it by more than pouring the wealth of a plundered old Russia into it.

At this time the club stand accused of an embarrassing debacle of hiring and firing, a grovelling submission to a bunch of primadonnas who may be currently be loved by fans but who will soo fade and drive off in their Bentleys - and more importantly, Chelsea stand accused of being a place no decent manager will want to be involved with or near. No amount of money will change that.

SP

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The average tenure (in seasons) of mangers at various European clubs since Roman bought Chelsea in 2003. Chelsea, 1.1, Real Madrid, 0.8, Inter Milan, 1.1, Bayern Munich, 1.3, Tottenham 1.6. Manchester City, 1.6. It has happened all over Europe for the last decade. QPR had five managers in one season!! Some of your points about how the club is run are fair and understandable, and I think every Chelsea fan wants stability. I myself am not comfortable with how the club is run and am definitely not happy with the fact football decisions ultimately seem to be made by people with questionable knowledge of the game but the proverbial managerial revolving door is something that happens throughout the sport at the highest level.

Blue25 {Ed002's Note - I rather suspect fans of most clubs are much more interested in success on the field rather than stability off it.}

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Portsmouth ??
Rangers ??

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06 Mar 2012 15:49:56
Ed2: my question over manager departure costs. Now that Ancelotti is Paris, do we still keep paying his wages? Or those payouts generaly end when the mangers finds a new club and we only pick up the difference, if his new paycheck is lower than the one we commited to?

If AVB starts the next season employed somewhere in Italy, for instance, will we still be paying his wages?

Or is it unconditional commitment, then if the club sacks the manger, it has to pay the remainder upon termination, no matter what?

Please answer this if you can, there is so much bull posted about tens of millions lost just over those sacks, i don't believe this to be true.

There is only one club whose manger is in the job long term with according success. SAF, as you all know. Over the rest of Europe, there is hardly anything over 3-5 years in the top clubs, so it would not make any sence not only for Chelsea, but also for Real, Milan, Bayern, Barca, Inter, Juve, etc.

JG {Ed002's Note - I really don't like saying too much on the finances as most folks simply don't understand. But, put simply when Ancelotti left there was an agreement where he was given an amount of money and that is the end of the matter. Included in the agreement was a clause that adjusted the amount of money as he entered in to an agreement regarding working in the UK again within a given period. Likewise, an amount will be agreed with AVB based on a clause in his original contract of employment which stated a minimum amount to be paid. Chelsea will settle that and settle with the other staff who have left.}

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Thank you Ed2. Thereby i understand that this media crap where they calculate the value of the contract over the protracted length of it is crap. And therefor economicaly it makes little sense to not bargain, even with the retrictions with not managing in the country included.

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JG did you just have a rant about Joachim Low, Cristiano Ronaldo, payouts, and costs of hiring and sacking, and all that ??

Kenny

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06 Mar 2012 15:39:51
A lot of you gentlemen over here must be having too much spare time to read all the rubbish about Chelsea in the press and then come alarming over here.

Joahim Low this, Cristiano Ronaldo that, payouts, costs of hiring and sacking, all that.

If you genuinely believe what you read, stick with that and go order Chelsea shirt with number 7 ard Ronaldo print. Good riddance.

It has been explained over here who are our prime targets. These can only be discussed, but nothing will come official till the end of the season.

Most of us with Mourinho's return. Lets keep with that. If it turn out to be another top manager, lets stick with him and in the meantime, stop moaning and support the team.

Good luck to our lads on the pitch tonight. Stick with Chelsea!

JG

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06 Mar 2012 14:12:10
Guys, the players are a disgrace,especially the senior players.It is in the news that hardly any of the players said goodbye to AVB and that he was in tears.This is no way to treat your former manager.If you do not like the guy at least be a gentleman.They do not care for the reputation of the club;they just want to show how great they are.Roman, get rid of the old junk ,they are ruining our club.If the news is true I hope none of them end up being future Chelsea mangers.
roan {Ed002's Note - You really should not believe everything you read and then make these embarrassing statements. Was AVB made to walk past all the players when he left? Did they all turn their backs and ignore him? It really is hopeless trying to explain anything when nonsense like this gets posted.}

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06 Mar 2012 13:55:40
Is it coincidence that the Former Chelsea Boss is looking at houses in the area and then the current Boss gets the sack? Unless Mourinho is up for the Englandmanager, I think the deal is already done. Your thoughts Ed. {Ed002's Note - Don't read anything in to it.}

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06 Mar 2012 13:41:17
hi ed
if jose mourinho does come to chelsea and if he brings cristiano ronaldo with him, do you think he will fit in with other players like mata who plays in the same position as him? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea. Sorry.}

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06 Mar 2012 13:16:00
i have some very odd feeling that rafa is giong to be our manager....

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06 Mar 2012 09:01:44
Ed, Do you think its true that Abramovich has made indirect contact with Guardiola? Also, how true is it that if Mourinho was to rejoin, he would demand Cristiano Ronaldo to come with him? {Ed013's Note - All speculation, but I wouldn't put it past Mr Abramovich to do some sneaky business behind closed doors}

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Guardiola will not leave Barca.if the special one was to return it would be interesting as Roman has been craving Barca type football for a few years now.We wouldnt be getting that with Jose would we? Its all too early to tell and pure speculation at this point.

Battersea Boy

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06 Mar 2012 08:29:59
Sorry for the last post I was interrupted midway .What i wanted to say was as we are lacking balance in the wings we are less effective in attack.So if we sign one or two proper wingers in the next transfer window along with a midfielder we will be fine.
roan

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06 Mar 2012 08:21:53
For me the problem started last season when we lost Joe Cole and were left with one winger in Malouda, who is unpredictable at best.At the start of last season we clicked as Malouda and Kalou were doing well in the midfield ,but as as they faded away our form dropped as they were not consistent enough.Joe did a brilliant job in the wing during Ancellotis first season and we won the league.We always had great wingers(like Joe,Robben,Duff) and they gave the required edge to our attack.Joe also had the tricks to play as an attacking midfielder.We lacked that kind of a creative player last season ,but Lampard and Drogba's form saved us .Thankfully we signed Mata a player similar to Joe.But we lack the balance now as he plays in left wing or attacking midfield and we have no right wingers and the form of Lampard has been woeful.A

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Yer cole. But also letting players go like ballackand belletti

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06 Mar 2012 08:00:08
Bring the Special one back and let him bring ronaldo with him as he as also he would like to return to England

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06 Mar 2012 05:27:54
I'm sure this is just paper talk but Mourinho would want €12million a year and he would want to bring Cristiano Ronaldo with him.

FT9

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Be quialty if he did, scoring 96 goals in 88 games! But dont see him comin Chelsea! Poss a return to utd in the future or if man city come up with a stupid offer!

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You can afford it - no big deal for Roman

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