Chelsea Banter Archive May 28 2013

28 May 2013 21:45:06
Dont Financial fair play affect Moncao?

They can't really be enforced. Search what Ed02 posted about FFP.

28 May 2013 14:06:33
Eds I notice Turnbull is on the PFA available list does that mean we are after a new back up goalie?
If so whose name is in the frame? {Ed018's Note - I thought he signed a new contract?}

I thought he signed a 1yr extension
One Bomb Tom

28 May 2013 14:54:14
Why are people stressing about who we will or won't sign. Jose will have a trick up his sleeve. My real concern is all this talk of De Bryune leaving, his a real talent, better than Schurrel. Fingers crossed the Portuges oracle gets his eyes on him in preseason and blocks any moves.
Either way this transfer market is going to be interesting with lots of clubs in the EPL and across Europe looking at rebuilding there teams. Enjoy it and stop worrying fokes, what will be will be.
CFC Dan

28 May 2013 11:29:27
My team for next season
Cech
Azpi/wallace--iva/terry--cahil/cb?--a. cole

Mikel/ramires--luiz/lampard

Hazard/isco?-- mata/oscar--debrune/moses

Cavani/lukaku/ba
All out strikers out powerful nd what are your suggestions for cb? Nd isco?

Wallace loaned out, Luiz back into defense and an extra cb brought in, preferably Papadopoulos for me. Put in Van Ginkel as cm, Schurrle instead of Isco as I feel Schurrle is more of a genuine winger than Isco. I'd rather not spend more than 40m on a striker so I'd opt for a cheaper option (maybe Aubameyang or Jovetic).

Franco

Why do so many people care how much our multi-billionaire owner spends on players?

Because there are going to be FFP RULES coming in and is like Chelsea to be able to play I'm Europe

28 May 2013 15:05:45
to the last poster.
can u rewrite that. my head got bursted.

Do you really think the people running the club are just spending without considering the imminent FFP rules coming in to force?

28 May 2013 21:47:39
FFP is a joke. it won't touch the Bigger clubs.
city hardly care. they will spend at-least 50-100 every year.

It's hardly a joke no name. It's just small clubs like Liverpool do not have the finances, or financial clout too invest well, when they are going through a 'rebuilding' phase.

I think ed mentioned that Liverpool would be one of the clubs which would fail ffp.

Which, you'd assume, shows a complete lack of financial clout. They are the laughing stock of the league for good reason. Go look at their page once a week and you will see how deluded they are

28 May 2013 10:20:59
Bild reporting that Kevin de Bruyne's 15m euros move to Dortmund is imminent. Very sad if this is true. Would love to see a front line next year of:

de Bruyne----Mata----Hazard
----------------------------
---------Lukaku/Gomez------

I feel this front line is good enough now and also will improve a lot over the next few years. Big loss if he goes now, we'll regret it in a year or two.

Would love to see KDB in the center of the pitch, he is not to physical but with Luiz next to him he would be free to move the ball around, create chances and score a few.

27 May 2013 23:47:49
I will be extremely disappointed if Chelsea fail to land one of Cavani, Falcao or Lewandowski. It is blatantly obvious that our team is desperately crying out for someone who knows how to score goals. If we want to be challenging both domestically and in Europe next season then one of these players if a necessity! If we settle for 'great' players, not 'special' player then I'm afraid we are going to be scrapping for top 4 again this season. If I were the board I would pay a little bit extra to get them, because let's be honest if we fail to see that Lewandowski for £25m is a good deal then I have lost all hope in the board and Emenalo which tbh I already have this last season. We need to send out a message again that we mean business, and for anyone saying 'they may not fit in right', let me tell you they will because anyone with the amount of chances our midfield makes just has to have finishing and running ability, which these three players have in abundance! Sorry for the rant and length of post, but I feel very strongly about this.

I can deal with it if they simply prefer to play somewhere else but to be outbid to me is unnaceptable.

Tk

You are taking all this far too serious.
JG

28 May 2013 08:30:57
Its not money. Players want to move elsewhere.
cavani wil partner aguero at city. lewodaski wil join a team who is managed by Pep and am sure to defend the CL crown. falcao Not sure. what is he going to achieve at monaco.
Most of the strikers fears what happend to torres at chelsea. big money, bad reputation. no goals, constant abuse.

Having criticised Emenalo on here before, I would say when you look at the players coming through the academy and our transfer dealings over the last few seasons he has done a commendable job. Getting one of those players is certainly not going to make or break our season next year. If they want to go and collect higher wages elsewhere so be it, and Chelsea should certainly not start offering to "pay a little extra".

Alright then JG, well if u enjoy competing for top 4 then so be it.

I agree TK. The fact that it seems we are willing to pay £20m for Schurrle and can't get Lewandowski is a myth to me.

Im pretty sure that if Dortmund received two offers of £25m one from Chelsea and one from Munich they would accept only one! Hence what I mean by it is about the money!

Torres hasn't been given 'constant abuse' at Chelsea. The fans have been disappointed in his inconsistency but we certainly haven't treated him terribly.

I'd go as far to say that the we have been incredibly supportive to Torres. I think he has even come out and said how we have been amazing for him.

People gave torres a year and a half to find his form. sorry if after nearly 3 years of terrible performances the fans began to become a little annoyed with him.

jscottjr

Torres was gven abuse by the press but the fans have always been 100% behind him.

I don't see how people are complaining about cavani/falcaos price of 50m when they aren't complaining about schurrles price of 20m. World class strikers aren't cheap.

Tk

You are certainly disregarding one important part of the transfer deals as such. It ain't no computer game, you know. Certain amount of transfer fee does not make it automatic.

It is not a closed league like the American sports leagues where you trade a player and his contract within the league. Hence if Lewandowski wishes to go to Bayern and his reps are good at what they do, the only thing that Dortmund can do about it is bring in someone like Chelsea into equation with a chance of offering a player something better than what ge has on offer.

There you have to understand that certain interests also play a big part. Not only wages and fees. Bundesliga is in huge revival. Bayern are a superclub with amazing traditions, structure, fanbase and all. You have to understand that we aren't on the same prestige level as Barca, Real, Bayern and Manchester United are. And if the player wishes to stay in Germany with one year left on his contract there is nothing you can do.

Please do not be childish in thinking that we can get whoever we want when we want them.

JG

I'm sure we've put in bids for Cavani and Falcao and might do for Lewandowski. But I agree with JG, some players have other preferences. You can't force a player to sign for your team. Falcao is likely to earn £10m TAX FREE. In order for us to match that we'd have to pay him £20m. If both us and Bayern put in the same bid, regardless of whether Dortmund prefer Lewandowski to go to a different league they can't force him. If they don't accept Bayern's offer, Lewandowski could always threaten to see out his contract and leave for free.

I don't believe it is as simple as players at Monaco don't pay tax. I recall Ed002 mentioning that it was more complicated. I also don't think other Ligue 1 clubs would be overly happy that they are having to pay their players more because their income is being heavily taxed.

I'm not sure if you misread me or I misread you but I meant that I can deal with it if a player wants to go to a different team but not if we aren't willing to pay the money that other clubs seemingly are.

Tk

As in wages Tk? Or transfer fee? As we'd match the transfer fee for all of them. Wages is different. In order to be more fiscally aware we can't simply hand out £250k+ contracts all the time. Monaco is a tax haven so we wouldn't be able to realistically match anything they offer Falcao.

When we discuss financials generally I think it's understood that nobody's going to match Monaco due to the extenuating circumstances.

Tk {Ed002's Note - There is every chance Munich will.}

It's not only Monaco which offers great deal and taxes. The last five years in European football has seen the shift of power going from England to Spain and that is purely based on taxes in my honest opinion. English taxation of 50% on premium income compared to the exceptional talent exempt of 20% in Spain the last 5 years is a significant difference money-wise.

If I recall right taxes are not accountable in FFP, but overall monetary outlay makes big difference to say the least.

JG