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25 Apr 2024 01:10:26
Ed002 any update on managerial front regarding oncoming Manager? Is tuchel actually an option? Between him and Mr Mourinho for me .
{Ed002's Note - No, there is no update. Thomas Tuchel will have no interest in returning.}
31 Mar 2024 12:46:56
Ed002 do you have any good news regarding chelsea? I know you're a chelsea fan so I don't think you'd be enjoying this season either but do you have anything? A chelsea return for Mr Mourinho perhaps?
{Ed002's Note - Jose Mourinho (C) I would not totally rule out a return to Barcelona for Jose Mourinho but they have a far preferred option and there will be a bitterness from some of the fans for what he achieved in 2011/12. He has turned down offers from the Middle East but further attempts are being made to take him to Al-Shabab. The owners of Chelsea have broken most links to the previous regime, although they did try to get a couple of folks to stay longer, but a move for Mr Mourinho would be a significant change of direction although he has support from a senior advisor to Chelsea and his representatives are offering him back to the club. The advisor feels if Rui Faria were to come as well, it would be a good move. Possible, but wildcard at best. Bayern Munich may offer an interesting option and should not be discounted but they also have preferred targets. Napoli offer an option, but it seems unlikely. Newcastle may offer an option but if they look to recruit Tiago Pinto to replace Ashworth they can forget Mourinho. Another wildcard might be Marseille but everything there is dependent on their new owners arriving.}
1.) 31 Mar 2024 14:13:53
Ed thanks for the good news. I’m happy with “wildcards at best. ”.
2.) 31 Mar 2024 16:39:04
Ed, is Roberto De Zerbi our first choice?
{Ed002's Note - It is not like that.}
3.) 01 Apr 2024 00:27:01
Please no horans heroes. That would be awful.
4.) 01 Apr 2024 00:39:11
No way De Zerbi, very overrated coach.
5.) 01 Apr 2024 00:49:18
Don’t want De Zerbi at all, it would be interesting to know the candidates the club have in mind if Poch was let go in the summer. Amorim is being linked everywhere at the moment.
6.) 01 Apr 2024 21:51:54
Obviously not good news for Chelsea fans.
7.) 02 Apr 2024 06:53:07
I assume that includes you?
21 Mar 2024 09:49:51
So Fabrizio Remano, a VERY reliable football reporter has reported that Gallagher asking for wages that are excessively high is untrue, and it's more of a case of chelsea not knowing what they want to do with him and potential necessity of selling him due to our excessive spending and FFP worries.
Shame.
1.) 21 Mar 2024 11:54:05
If you choose to read comics that is your choice. Why not trust what the ED's on here say?
{Ed001's Note - it is not so much that. It is that you need to question where he would have got the info from. Romano would have got it from Gallagher's agent, so it will be coloured by his bias. What he considers excessively high might be totally different from what any of the rest of us would think.}
2.) 21 Mar 2024 12:19:14
Thanks ED for clearing that up.
{Ed001's Note - he may be right, that is the thing, but you do need to take it with a pinch of salt due to the source. It might very well be that he is making very reasonable requests and the issue is simply the club viewing him as an easy money maker to sell. But Romano is only giving one side of the story, so you always have to bear that in mind.
And you are very welcome.}
3.) 21 Mar 2024 12:59:27
Thanks again ED, it is nice to get a balanced view.
{Ed001's Note - always a pleasure G8.}
4.) 22 Mar 2024 07:58:21
Don't really understand but both seem to correlate. his high demand could lead to his sale to raise money to meet up with the financial regulation. I really don't mind if he goes or not so long as we can get an upgrade but I can't trust boely on that though. Conor is only energetic but lacks te football sense and technicalities to play in such advanced roles.
5.) 22 Mar 2024 14:20:59
Conor has done better than most other CFC players this season with exceptions of Gusto and Palmer imho.
6.) 22 Mar 2024 16:29:41
The only info on this issue thus far is that Conor is asking for too much money.
Presumably this is the club briefing certain parties and should be taken with a pinch of salt as well?
It's clear he's a popular players with most Chelsea fans who would take a dim view if he was sold particularly if that was to Spurs.
It's also likely that the club will need to sell some homegrown players to help fund the excessive spending on untested young foreign talent.
I am sure this will be noted by players in the academy.
{Ed001's Note - yes, it should.}
7.) 22 Mar 2024 21:42:28
If they are truly good enough and both parties want a Chelsea future it will happen. JT, went on loan, came back and the rest is history. (Bates era), Rice, deemed not good enough (Roman era), Musiala, chose to leave (Roman era), James (Both club and player wanted it to happen (Roman era) . Tammy, wanted to stay but not a TT pick so left (Roman era) . the list is endless.
8.) 22 Mar 2024 22:29:43
Absolutely KDrog, it's already been made abundantly clear Boehly and co. See the academy as a way to offset there outrageous signings and excessive fees. Every indication is that were fine in ffp but we do have to raise a substantial amount through player sales and Chalobah and Gallagher represent pure profit. Even though they've been better than Disasi and enzo this year, and others, they will likely be sold along with mattsen etc.
9.) 23 Mar 2024 21:35:41
By outrageous signings, you clearly mean outrageously good signings, Yes, I agree, I think the investment in quality young players is to be applauded. Cutting the wage bill too. We are in good shape moving forward. And did you watch Enzo tonight? and Conor? if you didn't, you might want to.
10.) 23 Mar 2024 23:58:04
No g8 by outrageous signings I mean the lack of a strategy. Buying 5 players for the same position (Caicedo, Lavia, Ugo, Santos and Casadei) for massive sums. Some transfers I liked but all in all many were so unnecessary and that's now likely put us in a position where we need to sell to comply for FFP.
One game doesn't change that g8, Gallagher has absolutely been more influential and better than enzo this year. Enzo has talent but he has improvements to make.
11.) 25 Mar 2024 13:57:16
Completely agree Standard one poor/ good game for a national side doesn't define a season.
The club have signed three midfield players who have barely played in the first team totalling £100m but not to worry they are on low wages!
Currently they are costing us around 1 million Per Game!
Whereas Conor who has been more or less ever present is being greedy and cost nothing!
It would be tough to make this stuff up and be regarded as sane!
12.) 28 Mar 2024 13:19:54
This may come as a shock but for all players get wages.
The players we have signed are to replace the players we have ever sold or whose contract was up. Those replacements probably give the club a lower wage bill and a better chance of complying with PSR going forward.
One would think injuries are a new occurrence. Less we forget James, Chilly, Pusilic and many more. The club do not sign players because they want them injured fgs.
13.) 29 Mar 2024 17:23:15
Pulisic has made 47 appearances for club and country this season!
14.) 29 Mar 2024 18:24:53
Actually, Pusilic echoed a point i made in another post about player rotation.
He suggested that he is clear of injuries this season because he is playing regularly. It was reported by Ashley Cole recently that “full on” games were played at the end of each training session under Jose. Apparently Carlo was shocked to see this type of training when he came to the club.
15.) 29 Mar 2024 19:36:55
Tom, that may be the case for Pulisic but when James and Chilwell return from injury they get plenty of game time but get injured again.
16.) 30 Mar 2024 06:46:19
Chilly seems to do slightly better than James on the recurring injury front.
Anyway, that wasn’t my point and this is just my theory. Rotation of players is apparently a necessity. So, to keep players match fit training games in my opinion have to replicate a premiership match in intensity.
14 Mar 2024 00:56:37
Any interest on Musiala?
{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}
1.) 14 Mar 2024 11:12:31
Thabks Ed. Ref for anyone else.
Ed002's Note - Jamal Musiala (AM/ LW) Bayern Munich have no interest in selling the player who spent 8 years at Chelsea although Chelsea will raise the possibility of offering two players plus cash to take JM back.
{Ed002's Note - You can add to that Manchester City consider him an option to replace KdB.}
2.) 14 Mar 2024 21:24:51
Musiala is definitely beyond our reach right now, sadly so. No way, even if Bayern would somehow agree to sell him, would Musiala join a club outside of Champions League.
I'd love for him to return to Stamford Bridge, it's a damn shame he left at all (though hard to argue it didn't work out superbly well for the player), and he's a lovely player to watch. He'd be the next artist back at the Bridge, after Hazard. But we're simply not at the level right now where we can properly compete for players of Musiala's level.
3.) 14 Mar 2024 21:51:17
It was reported that we get 20% of any on sale.
He looks a good player but it would appear City are favourites to sign him.
24 Sep 2023 03:15:57
A discrete search is apparently underway regarding a new manager. surely surely not.
1.) 24 Sep 2023 05:31:45
I personally don’t think that is happening but it does create a negative narrative.
2.) 24 Sep 2023 06:22:20
Seems highly unlikely. But given our almost complete squad overhaul, ptevious decades of success but now year long struggle to score and get points I think we are going to see many click bait stories about us this season in the media. Either made up or from unteliable sources including Twitter or X. Gor instance apparently the TC personal trainer oneby someone impersonating hom according to TC.
3.) 24 Sep 2023 17:58:26
We need to stick with Poch there is no one better available. I am confident he will turn things around. It will take time.
4.) 24 Sep 2023 19:25:13
Would these owners make the complete wrong decision and sack poch, I wouldn’t put it past them, there ment to be businessmen and they’ve ruined this investment in little over a year.
5.) 24 Sep 2023 20:58:28
Matt, I doubt they have “ruined their investment”.
I didn’t want Poch as our manager but I desperately want him to be successful and he has my 100% support.
I also a want our owners to be successful and they also have my support. Any small criticism of them is probably to much to soon but that’s with the benefit of hindsight.
6.) 24 Sep 2023 21:34:59
Taking it from Europe to nowhere near, is running the investment,
7.) 24 Sep 2023 22:15:57
Matt, I’m sorry mate but if you think the owner’s investment will be judged over one or two seasons, you are totally wrong.
I have had the benefit of attending any board meetings but my guess would be that this is a long term investment hence proposed stadium rebuild.
They will in my experience constantly review, evaluate and then decide on a plan for two, five and then ten years. This will include playing performance and revenue performance amongst other things.
8.) 24 Sep 2023 22:44:04
Sorry, that should be “have NOT”.
9.) 25 Sep 2023 06:59:55
I think it’s down to the manager atm. Coll will left back? Standing off, with out the ball. no press. We look lazy. No movement in front of the defence. Gallagher playing deeper than enzo. Doesn’t make sense.
10.) 25 Sep 2023 08:05:48
Again Tom, we can only speak for as things are, so from when they bought us, the money they have put in and our situation right now. It’s not been good at all, if they were going to sell, they would get what they paid, we all know the money champions league and marketing it brings. Again, I think you’re defending them out of loyalty rather than common sense, how has it been a good investment so far.
No champions league, 14th last year and currently. £1b spent and no shirt sponsor, a good investment is making money or being successful, fact.
11.) 25 Sep 2023 08:39:24
Not really being pushed by the poor run of results but I don't think poch isn't the right manager for the rebuild we should have for the project. He doesn't have the winning mentality to even instill in the squad. Lacks the ruggedness for a winning team. Even when mourinho left his spirit lingered after many years imo. it takes a winner to build a perennial winning side. Watch both pep and klopp drive to win and see why poch is not a good fit to build. We don't look hungry often uninterested.
Of all the money spent it feels like a spoilt child who was handed down so much that he buys everything and anything within sight without appropriate plans. Rebuilding requires some patience and time. Even our injuries don't help but no enough sense of urgency and purpose.
12.) 25 Sep 2023 10:08:00
Matt, we are all entitled to guess but let’s be honest we have no clue how to value a football club.
13.) 25 Sep 2023 12:33:58
I think it’s about valuing anything Tom, you buy it, spend money on it, make it it less attractable and still pumping money it, it’s not a success is it
Now the real judgment will be end of there tenure that’s the final verdict as off now, I think we’re all feeling less attached to the club,
14.) 25 Sep 2023 16:21:37
I agree about attachment but I’m baffled as to why I am feeling this way.
My point is Matt. I’m not an expert in valuation of football assets.
15.) 03 Oct 2023 09:14:07
Obviously it only takes a sanctimonious blind loyalty than common sense to think the new owners have done very in adding value to the club since take over but everyone is entitled to his opinion.
We all yearn for the best Chelsea on all aspects of best possible. But some always feel more Chelsea than others that their own opinion is law for others.
The owners have spent money which normally should give fans suiting but we still far from the top for what we have spent.
Money not exactly well spent imo. a roman owned Chelsea should be be kicking with the spending so far but we still don't have a balanced squad after all. It feels they don't use the supposed professionals in the their disposal to a job but bypass them to do it themselves which could be reason some are leaving in their numbers. It sometimes looks like the obsession for younger players is to let them mature and improve to be sold for profits.
This will make more money for the owners but hamper the club collective success as we've been used to. We will selling the best players instead of retaining them for success. We won't be in contention for trophies but just another odd team. That to me is not building on roman legacies even if they managed to rebuild the stadium. We must continue to challenge for honours and not how much we are worth.
As for poch I had my doubts initially and not so much have changed in my doubts but I would give him more time maybe end of the season except things don't pick up especially when injured players return.
16.) 08 Oct 2023 17:38:25
Sanctimonious - guilty.
Blind - not guilty.
Loyalty - guilty.
I had no you had such knowledge of who suggested to the owners who to buy. I think Ed said they were initially poorly advised.
I have no idea if the club was overvalued or undervalued when our new owners bought the club. I also have no idea how football clubs achieve a valuation. My guess would be it’s not done over a few games or even a season but I am sure it includes lots of things/ assets we know very little about.
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28 Apr 2024 00:59:36
Chalobah and Gallagher have truly proven they deserve to be in the team. Most of the other players we have haven't. I said it a few months ago and I'll say it again. If both of them are sold in the summer it is an utter disgrace.
1.) 28 Apr 2024 05:47:38
I’m no longer attached to academy players. I don’t want Chalaboa or Gallagher sold. A lot will depend on who or if we sign as replacements.
2.) 28 Apr 2024 06:58:04
I don’t know where we could sell these two and get better squad players, can play multiple positions and are academy, I’m not saying starters but squad wise, could fill in come on and cover,
3.) 28 Apr 2024 09:00:13
Let me make it clear again I do not want the club to sell either but as an example if we signed the lad from Sporting Lisbon it would take away some of the pain if the club decided to sell Chalaboa.
4.) 28 Apr 2024 09:55:45
Has anyone actually said Big Trev is being sold?
5.) 28 Apr 2024 10:24:15
G8, nobody has said ANY player is being sold.
The thread follows a if” comment from Standard.
6.) 28 Apr 2024 11:32:01
Leaving aside PSR, if as most posters want, we are to buy players we will have to sell some. Gallagher is a separate issue, he hasn’t agreed a new contract and will be in the final year at the end of the season. If an agreement cannot be reached he will have to go just like Mount.
7.) 28 Apr 2024 11:42:21
EXACTLY my point Tom. If's, but's and Maybe's.
8.) 28 Apr 2024 11:55:43
Besides taking the p&ss out of one another’s views, surely that’s the very essence of debate/ argument on this site?
9.) 29 Apr 2024 16:13:44
No doubt Standard. I am afraid Dud and Clownlake are only looking at money figures.
10.) 29 Apr 2024 19:11:14
It’s a business so of course money matters.
17 Apr 2024 12:43:32
Hi Ed002, you have said FFP is a good system for teams to follow so clubs don't end up like everton and outspend there means and end up in disaster land.
I just wanted to get your opinion on chelsea and clubs doing similar things. Yesterday chelsea sold a hotel to another Boehly owned company and are able to count that in as income under FFP.
Is that not completely ridiculous? Or am I completely misinformed? (I'm happu to be told that if I am)
{Ed002's Note - The hotels were not sold yesterday but the income can be claimed in the accounts as they are assets of the business - as long as they are not over or under valuing those assets.}
1.) 17 Apr 2024 13:30:23
Standard, I'm no forensic accountant but there is nothing to prevent Chelsea from selling assets within the larger sporting structure. I believe that clubs in the football pyramid beneath the Premier League cannot include these transactions on their accounts, and this is also the case in Europe, but I could well be wrong on that.
It's also important to remember that even though they appear to have used this sale to their benefit in this year's accounts, it will now presumably mean that the club can no longer include revenue from the hotels in future accounts. So there is a give and take to this manoeuvre, and there are implications for the future.
While some will look at this and think 'another loophole', the club will probably argue that there is no sense in it owning hotels as a football club when they have set up a company to manage property.
{Ed002's Note - You have misunderstood the matter.}
2.) 17 Apr 2024 23:31:56
Thanks Ed. Interesting.
17 Apr 2024 05:24:19
I'm a big fan of comeback stories, I'd love to bring in Deli Alli to chelsea, maybe we could resurrect his career.
1.) 17 Apr 2024 09:37:55
Standard, is it April the 1st again?
2.) 17 Apr 2024 09:44:50
That is the worst post in history
Are you on your 25th pint of fosters
And you have the cheek to critique caicedo laughable.
3.) 17 Apr 2024 14:02:15
Goal, surely you can only get tipsy on 25 pints of Fosters.
4.) 17 Apr 2024 16:46:55
Dele Ali to Chelsea not a good idea. However, he was a very good player and then got lost. He seems like a nice lad and I wish him all the best for the future. He was dead right about the penalty fiasco.
5.) 18 Apr 2024 07:10:10
Dead right Jimbo.
16 Apr 2024 14:41:44
I may be being a little cheeky here, but after one of the highs of the season after a good result against everton, any chance of a list of potential transfer targets for chelsea and potential outgoings?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - It is really not worth the grief.}
1.) 16 Apr 2024 18:33:35
Turning this on its head ED, what players do you think will leave in the summer either permanently or on loan?
2.) 17 Apr 2024 02:21:43
I understand, no problem!
3.) 17 Apr 2024 11:50:32
I would imagine the plan might be as follows Bill.
Agreed in principle
Maatsen. To Dortmund
Hall. To Newcastle
Leave (assuming all parties agree)
Lukaku
Silva (out of contract)
Sarr
Ziech
Kepa
Broja
Maybe Conor? if contracts can't be agreed.
Marc Curcurella? I think ED said he might be made available.
I'm sure discussions will then be had with all the current loanees and young players around the squad as to whether they stay or go on loan.
4.) 17 Apr 2024 19:46:36
G8, I’d include Sanchez and Badiashile has been linked with leaving along with Chalobah. Personally I’d probably keep him but I’d expect him to go. A potential wildcard could be James leaving in a swap deal with Real.
14 Apr 2024 05:52:49
In the 2022/ 23 season chelsea finished 12th with the: second highest wage bill, highest amortisation cost, most expensive squad and biggest operating loss. An utter, utter disaster and I don't think we made the right moves in the window considering again, we're 9th.
Though with that said, as bad as this season has been nothing well ever top how bad last season was. Utterly disastrous.
1.) 14 Apr 2024 08:12:09
Just bear in mind that included heavy wages for players that have moved on (KK / HZ / KH / CA / Kepa? etc) and two managerial payoffs.
2.) 14 Apr 2024 08:59:17
The season 22-23 wasn’t good.
The owners who admitted to making to making mistakes in the transfer market and the decision to have three managers in that season certainly wasn’t helpful.
A bloated squad meant a bloated wage bill plus there was the extra exit costs.
I actually can see an argument for saying this year is worse but I will leave that to others if they feel inclined.
All football teams run the risk if relegation so things can get worse and “top” last season.
Some will continue to look backwards but I’m a person that generally likes to look forward and I think the bulk of our player investment is over for the short term. Yes players will come and go but I think we will have far more players leaving permanently in the next window and thereafter a balanced approach to transfers.
The club/ managers have had an horrible injury list to deal with. We still have things to play for in the league and cup. Slightly sadly I will be at the match tomorrow night and I will be cheering on my team. Hopefully I will be seeing a good performance and victory.
3.) 14 Apr 2024 22:00:55
Could still potentially finish 6th this season which would be a marked improvement on last season.
Also gone from 2nd highest to 4th, cutting 1/ 3rd of our wage bill in a year and I imagine it’ll reduce further this summer even signing new players.
21 Apr 2024 23:31:44
No better than Hudson odoi. Another expensive signing that made zero sense.
01 Apr 2024 00:27:01
Please no horans heroes. That would be awful.
31 Mar 2024 14:35:26
Gusto is sensational.
31 Mar 2024 12:40:08
Oh christ. Can see James leaving and then suddenly getting past his injury woes. If this mediocre chelsea continues we won't be able to hold onto palmer too much longer either.
23 Mar 2024 23:58:04
No g8 by outrageous signings I mean the lack of a strategy. Buying 5 players for the same position (Caicedo, Lavia, Ugo, Santos and Casadei) for massive sums. Some transfers I liked but all in all many were so unnecessary and that's now likely put us in a position where we need to sell to comply for FFP.
One game doesn't change that g8, Gallagher has absolutely been more influential and better than enzo this year. Enzo has talent but he has improvements to make.
29 Apr 2024 23:15:41
I believe I've read mount is counted into this year's quota too so that's around 90 with hall and mount. Presumably we will sell lukaku for maybe 15, maatsen for 25-30 etc.
29 Apr 2024 10:01:50
Of course they are bill1995. Paid millions to have a manager who is very nice and kind to them even though they need a bollocking.
Bring Jose back.
28 Apr 2024 19:16:04
Bringing in Mr mourinho alone would be the best move the owners have made yet.
27 Apr 2024 11:01:07
Everyone in there jobs work through injuries, are we seriously celebrating this to excuse why he's been underwhelming at chelsea from his first game? He has ability but he has to improve. Fair enough he's playing through it but when his performances are as dire as they were against arsenal, it's better to not play.
24 Apr 2024 23:36:15
Oh no g8.