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28 Jun 2023 23:50:29
Hi Ed do Chelsea have any interest in Harry Kane?
{Ed002's Note - No.}
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21 Apr 2024 12:25:19
Yesterday felt like De Ja Vu again at Wembley.
I think our last 7 visits to Wembley we have been the better team created the majority of chances and ended up losing.
Interestingly out of our last 7 visits we have only scored 1 goal and that was against Arsenal back in the 2020 FA Cup final.
It is evident that we need a proven goal scorer to put our glorious opportunities that we create away.
I think our overall performance yesterday was actually really good and the players need to take a lot from it.
A few shout outs from yesterday thought Chalobah was quality I would like to see him and Colwill next year. Id much rather we keep him and look to move out Badashille and Disasi. Gusto just his usual quality self. Caceido played well. Palmer had a good game as well created chances and was a handful.
I know Jackson is coming in for criticism and rightfully so as he missed 4 good chances but in fairness to the lad he works his socks off and is a menace up top. I next year would like to see him off the left, Mudryk playing in 10 and Palmer on the right with a new striker up top.
I think the only mistake Poch made yesterday was starting Gallagher at left midfield and not in the middle with Caceido especially after their performance against Everton. Enzo offered nothing and isn't the right fit for our side and should have been pulled off earlier. (I do rate his desire and commitment playing through an injury and I hope he proves me wrong) .
All in all we have a really good young squad who are improving as the season goes on. Due to their inexperience there will be freak results and games we should win that we don't. With time the players will get better at closing out games and being more composed when big moments come in matches. I think a bit of fine tuning in the summer with a few good additions and few exits we have the potential to be right up there and compete with the best.
KTBFFH.
1.) 21 Apr 2024 12:42:14
whitey. I agree with virtually every part of your post including playing Gallagher on the left but to be fair he worked hard and did his job well enough in support of Cucarella.
2.) 21 Apr 2024 12:50:57
whitey, I keep saying Enzo is being asked to play to deep. If the club do decide to sell Gallagher I think he will play in that role.
3.) 21 Apr 2024 13:06:24
100% agree with your whole post Whitey. The decision to play Conor on the left wing sums up Poch. Why change the side that demolished Everton? Conor and Moises should have played central and Enzo left on the bench. 3 things cost us yesterday, the above decision from Poch to change a winning team, the ref not giving a stonewall penalty and Jackson.
4.) 21 Apr 2024 13:50:37
Yeah agree Tom Im not too sure what his best position is. Earlier on in the season we played him as a 10 and it didn’t really work out either.
Exactly that G8 someone once said to me never change a winning team. If we keep changing the first 11 how can we build any sort of consistency.
5.) 21 Apr 2024 14:47:01
Thanks G8 your post said exactly what I'd been thinking. Changing things from Monday night was a v big mistake if IMHO most importantly dampening the attacking threat of CP as a number 10 with CG and MC breaking up threats as number 6s and Mudryk offering pace on opposite dide to NM. Either he or NM able to offer support on attack and CP tucked in behind.
CP has been our main attacking threat yet was v quiet yesterday and Far too seldom especially in second half offering a threat. with Jackson on other hand sometimes too isolated on our counters. Or so it seemed to me.
6.) 21 Apr 2024 15:11:38
In a feelings sense it seems obvious that you wouldn't change the side that thrashed Everton, but come on guys. Everton and City barely even seem to be playing the same sport. Poch was absolutely right to – do you really think you can afford to play Mudryk on the left against a better side like City? He simply doesn't defend 90% of the time. Seems to have no idea where the passing lanes are, nor how to block them. Against City that's a HUGE deal, because they'll simply funnel everything down that side. Cucurella isn't good enough defensively to be able to deal with it. We created 21 chances before Mudryk came on, and finished 0. How many chances did we create in the 20 minutes after Mudryk came on? (This being a Mudryk with fresh legs. )
7.) 21 Apr 2024 15:59:49
EdW you may have a point but didn't you think that CP pretty anonymous if especially in second half and he is our most likely finsiher of chances? The question for me was how could you get him into those positions far more often than we/ Poch did last night?
8.) 21 Apr 2024 16:20:21
Totally disagree with you Edw but that is why this is a banter page.
9.) 21 Apr 2024 16:29:44
Gallagher didn’t create a lot but he did his job better than Mudryk would or could ever do it. His support of Cucarella was good tactics by Poch.
Teams will be changed depending on the opposition but this season with us it’s been predominantly come about because of injuries.
10.) 21 Apr 2024 16:52:19
JBS, yes, I absolutely agree with you RE: CP (who seemed to also be carrying a bit of an injury from the start) . It might, in hindsight, have been better to just go for it with Gallagher sitting with Caicedo in midfield. Enzo is clearly injured – playing with a sports hernia isn't ideal. Then again, we could easily have gone down a number of goals in that scenario without Conor's workrate covering Cucu.
(As an aside, something I've not seen mentioned in these discussions, but for me we should have been a goal up by the time City scored from the Grealish handball – nailed on for me as he clearly moved his hand towards the ball. Don't see why a movement down towards it is seen as less of a handball than a movement up towards it. Reminds me of the one that Soucek got away with against us last season, all because referees appear to have no common sense. Why VAR didn't tell the ref to go have a look there I can't fathom. )
G8, I respect your opinion when I read your posts so I'd be interested to hear where you disagree. I've seen Mudryk put in the effort defensively in a couple of games, and thought he was getting better at it for a while there, but it certainly doesn't come naturally to him (and he didn't do it when he came on in this game) . We created zero decent chances after his introduction to my eyes (partly that's Ben Chilwell's fault for not playing in Sterling) and I couldn't tell where on the pitch he was even playing. He only received the ball once or twice. I'm not one for writing players off – confidence is a huge part of the game, and his is clearly not there right now – but he doesn't seem to be a natural footballer despite his speed, and that free kick with the last kick of the game was. well, the less said the better really. I guess what you can argue is that he plays better from the start than he does as a sub? Curious to hear your thoughts.
11.) 21 Apr 2024 17:35:01
EdW, I thought it was a definite pen. I couldn’t understand if they were checking for handball why it wasn’t then given as a corner. I guess there is probably a rule about why they couldn’t give the corner at least.
I mentioned ages ago how Enzo has been carrying an injury that needs careful management. I think he should be applauded for putting the surgery off to support his team.
12.) 21 Apr 2024 17:45:05
It’s putting ball in the net and if palmer isn’t there we have nobody.
13.) 21 Apr 2024 19:21:54
This is me relying on memory and I’m not comparing Jackson and Drogba’s playing styles.
If I remember correctly Drogba in his first two seasons scored roughly 1 goal every 2.5 games. As things stand today and with 7 games to go this season I think, Jackson is scoring 1 goal every 3 games.
I personally think a top goalscoer should be looking at 1 goal every 2 games as a career average.
I have no idea what Drogba’s or any of our other strikers goals per game ratio was at 22. I would guess that Anelkas was pretty awesome.
14.) 21 Apr 2024 20:27:57
Edw, I'm old school and a firm believer in keeping a winning team together. Conor is not a left winger and never will be, it was foolhardy to play him there. Against Everton he bossed the midfield with Moises, why on earth would you change that to accommodate Enzo who is carrying an injury? crazy decision making by Poch. Enzo should of been left out. The central pairing should of been Conor and Moises. If he wanted to leave Mudryk out, fine, but don't move Conor out of his best position to do. If he didn't want to trust Mudryk and wanted cover for MC then play Chilly there. As for Mudryk I think he was part of the reason Palmer bossed Everton, they were very wary of his pace and it just gave Conor a little more room and time. I also think Mudryk is a confidence player, you are part of a 6 nil win and then get dropped! He has always performed better when he starts than as an impact sub. Anyway, we all see things differently and we will never know if we would of won if Poch had kept the same team.
15.) 21 Apr 2024 22:07:57
Hi G8, I think I'm with you on most of those points to be fair, and my hope before the match had been that he'd keep the same team together from the 6—0, but I guess I can see why he made the changes is all.
It was noticeable how much better we played with Gallagher and Caicedo in the centre against Everton – Enzo clearly isn't fit.
Big difference, and perhaps part of Poch's thinking, is that in the Everton game Mudryk was against Young and Coleman, whereas he'd have been up against Walker in this game, who, let's be fair, would likely have him on toast. You'd also then have Foden isolated against Cucurella, which isn't what you want. I don't know – if we'd have taken our chances people would be saying Poch got the tactics spot on, but as you say, the player you want those chances falling to right now is Palmer and he wasn't in the game in the same way as against Everton, in big part due to those changes.
The criticism is definitely valid. We've really struggled to find a good team chemistry/ balance in our starting 11 this season, lots of chopping and changing, and so when you dismantle a team, even if it's Everton (though a Sean Dyche team rarely gets dismantled like that) you should probably just keep the same lineup, injuries permitting. Perhaps that caution which made him put Gallagher out left is the 'loser' tag that Poch gets hit with. At the same time we had more than enough chances to kill that game – creating 21 chances against City is no mean feat – and it's on the players that at least one of those didn't go in. Plus a penalty that was nailed on in my view – scandalous that the ref wasn't sent to the monitor for that.
16.) 22 Apr 2024 09:01:15
I thought Poch got it spot on. He had to play Gallagher on the left because of the walking liability behind him. Gallagher's pressing won us the ball in City's half on numerous occasions and if Jackson could have taken one of a million chances, who knows?
Unfortunately, our world record fee left back had clearly decided he didn't fancy another trip to Wembley this season, setting his stall out early by passing directly to Alvarez in our box and sealed the deal by leaving Silva unmarked at the back post for absolutely no reason. Brilliant.
15 Apr 2024 23:26:39
Wow!
What a performance that was Cole Palmer is signing of the season and for me I think he is the best player i've seen in a Chelsea shirt since Eden Hazard. Everytime he gets the ball you feel something is going to happen. I love his air of confidence and his swagger.
Caceido and Gallagher both superb tonight, that was Caceido's best performance of the season so far. I don't think he lost a dual and bossed the game. We look so much better without Enzo Fernandes.
Buzzin for Alfie Gilchrist as well getting his first goal. Loved his interview their where they asked him about the penalty incident and he brushed it to one side.
Now to the penalty. Jackson and Mudeke both need to grow up their actions their was pathetic. However Im happy to see Gallagher growing into his captains roll and learning from previous mistakes and handing the ball to GOAT of penalties.
Hopefully we will have a big push till the end of the season and get sixth. Bring on Man City next weekend. Up The Chels!
05 Apr 2024 08:52:36
That goal for United goes to show our lack of experience.
So many unforced errors this season has lead to goals that we should never concede, United now back in the game.
The goalkeeper couldn't have made it more easy for him to score as well just sat back on his line, he needs to come out and close the angles.
1.) 05 Apr 2024 09:15:36
I would love to know the amount of goals that stem from a mistake. It must be well over 50%.
2.) 05 Apr 2024 13:47:01
Good point Tom and would be good to know stats here. Very hard to blame coaching staff for this or certainly they're not directly to blame. Caicedo last night an example and his reaction after United scored said it all.
3.) 05 Apr 2024 14:14:32
JBS, it sometimes seems as if fans think mistakes are deliberate. These things happen and it’s why in my opinion it’s best to make assessments about player after a season. That will be difficult this year with so many players being injured at some stage or another.
4.) 06 Apr 2024 01:01:59
I would say Tom probably 95% percent of goals stem from a mistake, like players losing their man, losing possession high up the pitch etc. Like Uniteds third goal where Badashille miss controlled it.
We seem to this season make the most simple of mistakes where we are cruising and gift teams goals. Disasi own goal vs Leicester, Last night Caceidos pass, Sanchez where he passed it to Declan Rice.
It just seems like time and time again we go ahead and then just switch off and lose concentration.
Anyway who cares we beat United 4-3 and couldn’t be happier, what a difference a couple of days makes.
17 Mar 2024 13:16:57
I actually can't believe Sterling has taken that Penalty. Why has no one taken charge and given the ball to Palmer.
1.) 17 Mar 2024 21:33:49
Palmer had it in his hand to take the pen. On TV it looked like RS persuaded him to change his mind. CG should have stepped in at that point in my opinion.
2.) 17 Mar 2024 22:15:10
Conor is the captain, his job. He is not a leader. JT sorts that.
3.) 18 Mar 2024 07:16:56
Enzo wasn't playing in the game, think he once stepped in in one occasion to get ball from sterling to palmer.
Poch doesn't hold his players accountable reason they do anything because nothing will happen even if it goes wrong. Maybe not here but I still don't think Chelsea will be a force again under poch like winning trophies. Poch was never the right man to rebuild Chelsea because he's almost the opposite of what Chelsea is known for. At Chelsea more emphasis is on the winning than the style.
Supported him once he's here hoping to be proven wrong but he's a bottler. even if we manage to get the final of fa Cup he would still find a way to lose regardless of the opposition.
4.) 18 Mar 2024 08:19:06
Enzo sorted it earlier in the season, Sterling need for individual accolades / headlines is and has cost this team numerous amount of times, from being greedy with 2 v 1 on goal, trying to take the ball off palmer v city or spurs? And today, what if palmer said no, I got this, it just adds to the pressure,
5.) 18 Mar 2024 08:38:49
Lots of teams would have loved to play in a domestic final at Wembley every season or any season.!
We have already been to Wembley once and will be going at least once more. Obviously picking up a trophy is what matters but let’s not entirely belittle any small progress we have made this season.
6.) 18 Mar 2024 09:35:36
I remember Lamps and Drog having a bust up a few seasons ago. We were going for the title and Drog was going for the golden boot. If I remember correctly Lamps took the pen and scored but Drog had the right hump.
We went on to win the game easily and the Premiership with Drog getting at least two in the game and the golden boot.
It has happened lots of times before and at plenty of clubs. Generally people only go on about when it influences the result.
I think if Poch is clever he will use that situation to his advantage.
12 Feb 2024 20:36:40
Chalk and Cheese unfortunately from Wednesday night. Subs needed to be made at half time!
1.) 12 Feb 2024 20:50:10
Awful first half. Shockingly bad. It's like they learned nothing from the game against Villa.
2.) 12 Feb 2024 20:55:02
The laziness is incredible. Where does Cole Palmer and Jackson play for this team. What has happened to Gusto’s quality. Madueke, really son?
3.) 12 Feb 2024 21:14:52
Consistently inconsistent our team. They should play to win every game but reckon they played in top hear v Villa cos a trophy at stake. Not goodvenough. Better be a fantastic second half effort.
4.) 12 Feb 2024 22:11:39
Eating my humble pie by the shovel full and enjoying every bit of it. Good 3 points. Brilliant to score in 90+ minutes haven’t done that much this season.
5.) 12 Feb 2024 22:16:08
Stephen60 calm down boy.
6.) 12 Feb 2024 22:30:37
Stephen, we did it at home to Palace.
Thankfully we got the three points we needed.
We are still just one of two teams that can do the domestic treble! hahaha!
7.) 12 Feb 2024 22:35:04
It’s down to poch. It was obvious no press just wanted to recycle the ball hoping for an opening, which will never happen playing so d so low. We play 10 times better quick and pressing.
8.) 13 Feb 2024 11:14:45
Is it solely down to Poch, or is it a combination of factors including:
A young squad who haven't shown any ability to maintain performances across 90 minutes, let alone game to game
A 39 year old CB who has to sit 15 yards deeper than the nearest other Chelsea defender due to his lack of pace, which slows the ball down in possession by dragging players away from others
Chronically inconsistent performances from attacking players who would be best served spending a year (or two) on loan in the Championship to learn their trade
Injuries consistently disrupting any connections we try and make on the pitch
A manager trying to toe the line between winning now, developing undercooked young players, ensuring the big money signings see the pitch (deservedly or not) and juggling perennially injured players.
9.) 13 Feb 2024 11:33:35
Agreed RBD. Thiago (who is one of the best CDs I have seen) has come to the end of the line. The team plays slower and are more predictable with him in. On another note, if the board are keen on pure profit to balance the books surely Connor has pushed Reece James (Real Madrid? ) to the front of the queue? Because let’s be clear, Connor Gallagher WILL make Spurs better.
10.) 13 Feb 2024 12:06:02
I would be extremely reluctant to push Reece out the door. We all know the injury aspect, but now he has had this surgery, we have to see if he can return to regular fitness. KDB has had something similar and looks like he's returning well enough.
When James is fit and firing, he's a game-breaking talent. I LOVE Gallagher as any regular posters will know, but Reece is a level above. He completely shuts down the opposition's left hand side by himself, it is remarkable. He is a truly world class talent, in a squad that is sorely lacking such players.
But yes, it is utterly moronic that we will end up selling Gallagher - let's just be honest about it. I understand why it is going to happen, but I just disagree with it, simple as. He offers things that every single manager desperately wants and is the exact kind of player we would be being linked to if he played for another club.
As for Silva, it's paradoxical but we seem to play much more coherently without him in the team despite him being by far and away our best CB. Tuchel figured it out quickly enough that he needs to play in a 3, so I don't know why Poch has been unwilling to try this more often.
11.) 13 Feb 2024 13:17:48
Lads, it will be a sad day when Silva leaves our club as a player but we can’t stop old Father Time.
I’m not sure we have sorted out how we play with a 433.
Nowadays Silva struggles in a four but more importantly the midfield three continue to get out of shape leaving each other isolated. If that makes sense. As fans we then criticise the midfield player who loses the ball but never the players who don’t show themselves as available to receive the ball.
To see a City midfield three support one another is just like watching clockwork. There have only been a few occasions this season when I’ve seen our midfield worked in a similar way.
12.) 13 Feb 2024 15:31:32
Just to clarify. I don’t want any of the proven YA products to leave. I want James and Gallagher both to stay. Not enough Englishmen in the team for me. and I’m
a Scot. But this FFP balancing the books malarkey ain’t going away.
13.) 13 Feb 2024 19:41:56
Stephen, unfortunately you are correct. With a relatively small stadium, no prospect of Champions League football and the ever changing financial regulations we do not have any wiggle room to increase revenue. The club do not have many options other than the sale of players to keep on the right side of the line.
14.) 14 Feb 2024 16:42:39
We have a supposed £50m for playing in this summer’s strange tournament. I’m not involved in the marketing of the club or in its ability to create extra revenue streams. It could well be that our new owners will negotiate stadium naming rights as a souring of extra annual revenue. At the moment we are just guessing at our clubs future financial position. I assume we have generated extra revenue from our league cup run to the final. We are also still in the FA cup and that can be an extra revenue stream.
It is very unlikely that we will get into a Champions league spot (top 5) but I still think we can find a route into one of the other two European competitions.
Like most clubs we will buy and sell players in the summer window and while I’m sure our new owners would have preferred us to be maximising our revenue streams, I very much doubt it’s as gloomy as some would have us believe.
22 Feb 2024 23:07:21
The one we should be after is Neto at Wolves. Im sure everyone is sniffing around him.
11 Feb 2024 10:25:36
Im happy with staying at Stamford Bridge as well and surely there must be a way of extending with a bit of clever architecture.
I do wonder if the club considered or bid for the site being relocated to Imperial Wharf right next to Chelsea Harbour for those who don’t know. Over the last sort of 15 years there has been a huge amount of building work going on round there and surely would have been enough room for a new stadium.
04 Feb 2024 20:39:55
I personally would give Poch the cup final and if we lose he should leave. Its disappointing as he seems like a decent all round guy and is being hugely let down by the group of players.
Ed can I ask who are other candidates being considered?
I honestly think we could have Pep in charge or a prime Mourihno and they would struggle with these players. The problem is far greater than manager and is down to the two muppets running our club.
{Ed002's Note - There is no point discussing options at this time.}
04 Jan 2024 13:52:01
He is an absolute baller that Olise and would be a bargain at 30 mil.
{Ed002's Note - He won't be moving at that price,}
24 Sep 2023 17:58:26
We need to stick with Poch there is no one better available. I am confident he will turn things around. It will take time.
23 Apr 2024 22:11:35
Another injury prone player to add to the list Tom.
We were missing 8 players tonight who 100 percent would be in the first 11.
23 Apr 2024 22:10:44
His line ups and substitutions are bizzare at best.
I was fully in for him staying till next season but after witnessing that Im not convinced whatsoever.
22 Apr 2024 21:26:31
GK - Maignan
CB - don't Know
LW/ Rw - Neto at wolves
St - Oshimen
Outs
Badashille, Disasi, Silva, Chillwell, Sterling, Kepa, Lukaku, Mudeke on Loan, Santos loan, Ugochukwu Loan.
22 Apr 2024 20:57:37
I agree if an offer came in for Chillwell we would be mad not to look at it.
21 Apr 2024 13:50:37
Yeah agree Tom Im not too sure what his best position is. Earlier on in the season we played him as a 10 and it didn’t really work out either.
Exactly that G8 someone once said to me never change a winning team. If we keep changing the first 11 how can we build any sort of consistency.