Chelsea Rumours Archive August 04 2011

04 Aug 2011 23:14:09
Any news ed? has the meeting took place yet...... {Ed002's Note - If there is anything to say I will post something.}

04 Aug 2011 19:14:55
Eds have u heard anything on the apparent pre contract neymar signed with real madrid? If he goes to another club he will be fined 100 m? Any truth?
Blair {Ed002's Note - He cannot sign a pre-contract. I have no idea where you have found this.}

04 Aug 2011 20:45:54
DEFO BID BEING PUT TOGETHER FOR TORRES FROM MALAGA

Go back to the Liverpool page you sado

DEFO BID BEING PUT TOGETHER FOR GERRARD BY ACCRINGTON STANLEY, £100. A BIT PRICEY FOR SOMEONE WHO PLAYS LESS GAMES THAN OWEN HARGREAVES.

04 Aug 2011 19:08:53
hi ed, would you ever think chelsea would be interested in barton? would you like to see him at the bridge? im really not sure, reckon he would fit in but would he disrupt things off the pitch? {Ed018's Note -No and No}

Lampard and Barton hate each other this would never happen

Nick88ftl

04 Aug 2011 18:53:36
hi ed(s)
just wondering could you tell me anything about the boy lucas paizon were getting in january? dont know much about him, would he be coming straight into the 1st team do you think? would he be regarded as a "wonderkid"?

also do you know has there been any clubs who have confirmed there intrest in anelka? or are we activly seeking to offload him? i assume he doesnt actually want to leave the chels?

thanks in advance...Jack {Ed018's Note - Piazon has been dubbed the next Kaka, hopefully he can produce like Kaka. Ive only had the chance to see him play once and he looked very good on the. He will probably get some first team time. Ive heard very little about teams interested in Anelka, other than hearing PSG was interested a few weeks ago}

I thought ganso was the next kaka. And is piazon better then ganso? {Ed018's Note - He's younger than Ganso and probably isn't to his level yet but i expect him to reach that level and beyond

04 Aug 2011 16:43:47
Here's a thought, lets go for Mario Goetze. Superb player with age on his side. Come on AVB make it happen

Are you saying this because he got linked with Manchester United in todays papers?

No, didn't know he was linked with them? Don't really read papers so that's probably why.

04 Aug 2011 13:57:59
ed reports in italy saying that we could get fernando for 15 million euros
strange as we just bought a dm could this mean mikel leaving and any truth in fernando rumour {Ed002's Note - There has been interest in Fernando so it is quite possible.}

04 Aug 2011 11:06:53
Romeu has joined on a 4 year deal
Source: Chelsea website

04 Aug 2011 01:56:38
Maybe the wrong place to ask this question but how do Spain, Italy and France get away with massive tax concessions for footballers when there economies are dreadful and worse than ours...
(I do realise I may have answered my own question here but don't know the mechanics of the tax concession...)
Any idea Ed?

{Ed002's Note - I have lived much of the past 30 in Cap d'ail in France or in Monaco a few hundred feet away and understand the workings of the French tax system (although remain in dispute) and the complexities are not really worthy of discussion. Keep in mind that salary "packages" for players are not necessarily provided in "hard cash" per se. However, whilst EPL clubs (excepting Manchester City) are not in a position to meet the demands of certain players in cash, efforts are made to try and put together packages that should be attractive in other ways - and this is what clubs such as Chelsea and Manchester United have done in an attempt to lure the likes of Aguero. On a related subject is an answer to a Manchester United fan given on such "packages" from a couple of days back: Glad you asked about the “package” issue Syd. There are a number of ways that have been taken to overcome a disparity in wages required and wages available. I can cite examples from a few years ago of players from one particular club being registered through one business in Monaco where two of the directors of the business were local residents thereby legalising the tax free payment process. I can also cite one professional football only paid in “collectable” cars, which were a tax free means of means of payment in the UK. That loophole has gone, together with another that saw a current (at least last season) EPL player paid only in oil paintings via an offshore company based from his home in Monaco. Nowadays many, probably most, players operate through limited companies whereby legitimate expenses can be deducted and payments may be taken as dividends. This provides some tax advantages and allows money to be rolled in to pension schemes and trusts to certain tax or other limits. I also know of a couple of players who run “enterprises” where the scope of the business includes the provision of sporting services and also undertaken property renovations under the same umbrella. This has recently been frowned upon by the revenue. The packages being put together for plays such as Aguero are rather different. Effectively, the players are offered a deal no more than that of the other higher paid players at the club. There is then a value-based bonus payable on leaving the club and it is calculated as being a percentage of the amount received above either the amount originally paid for the player or the write-down value of the player. In the case of one example package I am aware of, this has been as much as 100%. To give a couple of simplified worked examples, If our hero (Syd Falcao) is purchased for £40M on a salary of £6M per year and other costs (insurance, bonuses etc.) of say £2M his cost to the club over his 5 year contract is £80M written down at £16M a year. So his year 1 value is £80M, year 2 £64M, year 3 £48M etc.. If the club were to sell the player after three years for £60M and had negotiated a deal whereby the player would get 100% of the cost above the written down value, then our hero will, on departure, receive a “bonus” of £12M (£60M-£48M). Alternatively, the write down costs may be ignored and a straight sliding scale applied. For example, if sold after one year he might receive 20% of the difference (value received – purchase price), year 2 40% of the difference, year 3 on 60% of the difference. So if our hero was bought for £40M and sold two years on for £55M he would receive £6M (40% of £15M difference). Add to this sort of deal a few tweaks over image rights etc. and suddenly it (hopefully) becomes much clearer how deals can be struck through the “package” route. I appreciate I have rambled a bit here, but hopefully it is clear and allows you to see how clubs can and do look to alternate solutions to some of these seemingly tough problems.}

Very detailed and time consuming reply... Thank you

You are a hero for making the time to explain this

Thank you for taking the time to explain in such detail the inner workings of the transfer market.It certainly allows me and I would think many others to understand and almost be able to predict when certain players, or at least their agents seem hell bent on pushing for a transfer at a given time in their carreers i.e when they consider that they are at peak sale value.Can you tell me ED002 is the 20% depreciation value you used a typical write down value or was it just for illuustration purposes.Thanks once again for giving such amazing insight Im glad you're a true blue or I would imagine every other supporter would be trying to lure you to oversee their club site for you really do bring a hell of a lot more than just rumours to this site.No disrespect to the other EDs on this site for I appreciate all your efforts. {Ed002's Note - The players are typically written down over the length of their contract so 25% per year over four years, 20% over five etc.. From an accounting perspective the FFP also allow the players to be written down completely in the first year - but I don't know of any clubs that take such an approach.}

I'm glad he spends most of his time on our site(Liverpool).
Ed002 is a legend.

03 Aug 2011 21:29:28
ED02 Porto have increased there ownership of Moutinho this is normally a signal they are willing to sell the player are we back in for him & also is it true Flcao has a clause that if a club bids before september £28 mil he can go? {Ed002's Note - I do not know what Falcao's contract states but Porto can effectively ask what they want for a player outside of Portugal. They have already made it clear to Atletico Madrid and Chelsea that they do not wish to sell him, and may need to tell Malaga and Real Madrid the same. As for Moutinho I understand that it is not just Chelsea who have an interest in the player. I would guess that Porto are as you suggest simply readying themselves for a bid. As third party ownership of players is not allowed if the are playing in England, it would be necessary to obtain 100% of the player' rights in any case.}