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05 Aug 2012 22:36:32
ED are there any players Di Matteo has recommended we buy that you know of? {Ed002's Note - It doesn't really work like that.}
Yer I expect Fernando, m villa, thiago silva, vermalen, vidic & subotic.
05 Aug 2012 22:34:53
Problem with Mikel is he needs about 10 mins on the ball to play a simple sideways pass. Fine if your a Pirlo type player who has a flawless passing range but he is not. Positionally wise he also gets caught out. Offensive wise he offers next to nothing so basiclly the only thing the guy really offers is a physical presence.
RDM needs to tell the holding player to just screen the back 4, clean up and give a simple pass quickly to our creative players. Makalele was a absloute master of this and although not glamorous it is a vital part of any good side
Cue the Mikel fanboys but this is purely my personal honest opinion of the guy
ShedLower
This is so true and what's worst of all is he always jogs back and allows people to run across him on many occasions causing us to concede. Has anyone ever seen Mikel split a defence by putting a very fast ball on the ground through the middle like Xabi Alonso? We can't play this sexy football until we have a world class holding player.
My issue with mikel is he seems to be a low energy defensive mid which is a position in which you want a lot of effort. His game is just slow. Slow to pressure slow to move the ball on.
Tk
You's need to learn football or at least learn the position mikel plays, what he does isn't spectacular, but he helps the team and organises the midfield, he hardly ever gives the ball away. i'm not a mikel fanboy, just someone who really knows what a good player he is
trueblue012
Luiz is so made for mikels position! Good on the ball can take on players on aswell! And with Luiz in that position at least there is sumone behind him covering cos only flaw with his game he a bit rash in a tackle. I feel its something that we should of looked at in pre season,not gonna happen now
Pinky
If you are really down on Obi Mikel then its not his fanboys on here you need to worry about - its one fanboy in particular by the name of Roberto Di Matteo.
Personally I think he is a decent squad player but that's about it.
Surewould
The lad who saiid he never gives the ball away ur avin a laugh
The original post is completely spot on. 2 types of holding players "the dogs" Makalele, Busquets etc and the more creative "quarterback" type of player eg Pirlo. Sadly Mikel is not good enough at either
Did i say he never gives the ball away
trueblue012
05 Aug 2012 22:14:05
Hey ed any chance of us signing usain bolt?
Ahaha even so, Pinky would still say DS23 is faster and better than him ;)
CFC
So are u seriously sayin bolt is better footballer than sturridge lol. Dnt see the problem in me liking the kid! Would be no worser off with him up top than torres. 18months down the line we are still waiting for him to come good it just ant on! Am not a torres hater and i am desperate for him to shove my criticism back in my face! But 18 months! Seriously!
Pinky
Think he would have to go on loan to get a work permit
Bolts better than walcot
05 Aug 2012 21:58:58
I didn't watch the Brighton game but from what I noticed from the rest of pre-season is that we lack movement and we don't press far enough up the pitch and apply pressure to our opponents. I know it's about fitness, but it's also the time to prepare tacticS and the strategy for the coming season.
Let's just hope they pick it up for the community shield!
PR!
Thats exactly it. lampard & mikel pass to eachother then run towards who they just passed to and get closed out by ther own movement. its basic football & if RDM cant sort this thr is no hope. BLUEBOY1
05 Aug 2012 19:46:01
How Bad is Marins injury {Ed002's Note - Not bad.}
05 Aug 2012 16:47:43
do we want any holding midfielders
Another person who hasn't read the post yesterday...
05 Aug 2012 16:47:14
do we want maximine gonalons
What position does he play?
05 Aug 2012 16:31:25
Best current Chelsea starting XI:
----------Cech----------
Ivan---Terry--Luiz---Cole
-----Ramires---Oscar----
Marin-----Mata---Hazard
---------Torres---------
Having both Ramires and Oscar as the Centre Midfielders is the way to go simply because they are both Brazilian so therefore communication and chemistry would be great. It also helps that Luiz is in the squad aswell as it would boost the overall cohesion of the team. The only worry is that the team might be a little lightweight.
Any thoughts?
Samir
Plus, Chelsea are now the 5th youngest team in the Premier League!
Samir
This team would do so well. everone says wt abwt a holding mid. well we dont need one. because ivanovic wont attack so we would have 3 centre backs sitting back instead of just the 2. then cole would act(only when attacking move with oscar and ramires) so iva jt sit back an luiz can jump just infront of them. so people saying we need a DM ther is ways to do it. PERFECT!
BLUEBOY1
Exactly BLUEBOY!
There is a common misconception that if we do not play any DMs, we will be considered too "lightweight". Well, look at Barcelona! Apart from Busquets and Pique, most of them are like 5ft6!
Samir
Still think Oscar would be a bit wasted so far back, he needs to be able to get in among the goals/assists.
True, but I reckon Oscar will be given free reign to attack at will.
Samir
What a team, soon as we're dominating and pushing team back. Oscar will come forward and deliver. And we will be able to play such gd counter and with hazard mata Marin all swapping round defenders won't know what's hit em
Yeah forget a holding midfielder, our more creative players are wasted when mikel/essien play because they piss about with the ball too much and play 5 yard passes back to terry and luiz all game!
Not needed and having someone like ramires who can close down and win the ball and lay if off to Oscar to make something happen suits us down to the ground
05 Aug 2012 16:20:39
In my opinion Chelsea need to make a choice. They can either play the defensive counter attacking football they have for years or play dynamic attacking football that the new players brought in would prefer. If we go with counter attacking then it's rather obvious that torres won't be able to succeed because he thrives off service that you won't get in that system. If you go attacking then Lampard and mikel can't be apart because they are far too slow and not nearly direct enough with their build up passing. Also I can't believe I'm saying this but I think if we go attacking then Terry is kind of left out in the cold as he isn't mobile enough to be able to play a high line which makes it impossible for us to press defensively which is vitally important when playing in the system. With all of that said I think we could do a bit of both with playing attacking against the teams that choose to sit back and we can play counter attacking against the bigger teams that looked to push you back.
Tk
Lamps is declining, we as fans and a club have to move on and accept & respect everything hes done, but this season it needs to be changed. dont get me wrong hell still play a big part. as for mikel, everyone saying he was great he wasnt watch last season again. only time he looks as if he played well was wen we constantly defended and by the way its his job. shame he cant do anything else, after this season move him on find someone who can do more than tackle, foul & pass sideways or back. BLUEBOY1
You do realise there is such a thing as attacking counter attack football. Just leave 3 forward at all times. But Whatever we do we really need to start moving the ball much quicker.
05 Aug 2012 16:20:26
chelsea 11
cech
azpilcueta cahill terry cole
ramires oscar
cavani hazard mata
torres
05 Aug 2012 15:47:49
Hey Guys,
Ashley Cole just tweeted this:
"Contract talks have not stalled just started, and 200k are you for real, I'd never ask for that"
I guess that clears that up then ;)
Samir
Yh saw that.... gd news!!he also tweeted 'arsenal fans get over it, i left i won #i have a star on my shirt now
looooool
wht a joker! :)
Would arsenal have won what we have if cole was still there? unlikely, keep him til his contract runs out or cash in now, if he gets 200k a week, everyone will want it
No mate, he says that he never asked for 200K! It was basically the newspapers chatting BS.
Samir
05 Aug 2012 15:46:51
After some of the prices being quoted for strikers RVP is starting to look decent value for money.
Unlikely they will sell to us except for overinflated price but he would be a great signing {Ed002's Note - There is no interest in him.}
I didnt say there was
05 Aug 2012 15:36:55
Ash has just tweeted that contract talks haven't stalled and they have only actually just begun. He also mentioned that he would never ask for 200k a week. Its all paper bullsh*t. He's a club legend and the greatest LB in the world, everyone get off his back. SAIM
05 Aug 2012 14:57:13
Well done job sir! I just want to say that, we need to off load some players Α̲̅πϑ the time is now. when we see the likes of teams like real madrid,barca,PSG etc have in their team two to three subs in the same position, with high class players, why won't their do fine. In the chelsea team of today or Even last season, we hardly see two classic player for the same position. What am I saying, let's get rid of players that are just collecting money without adding value to the team. Players like peirera, sturidge, lukaku,malouda Α̲̅πϑ add. World class players to our team. Its better we act fast, because there is no more small team. In our pre-seasons, even if they are friendlies, champions should not be getting defeats just like that, even if we are feilding our B team. Thanks for this opportunity to contribute. Blues forever.
Deji from 9ja
Why would you get rid of Lukaku? Hes only like 19 year old so he will grow with experience, hes only been here one season and he got like what, 4 starts. The rest should go except maybe Sturridge.
Show a little respect to FERREIRA.
BLUEBOY1
I think I got dumber from reading that post.
Tk
05 Aug 2012 13:49:53
Reported in the press that Ashley Cole wants a pay
increase to £200,000 PER WEEK. I have to ask what
planet are these players on. I have been made redundant recently and cant afford to go to the games at present. Im disgusted. Chelsea Chic
05 Aug 2012 17:00:50
talks havent staled because they have just started, then he said i would never ask for that sort of money
05 Aug 2012 13:19:18
Hi ed,From what i have been reading i guess we will sign 3 more players and from what i have gathered up on here they sound more than likely to be Cesar,Moses and Hulk/Cavani/schulle (mind the spelling)is this right? {Ed002's Note - Cesar?}
I'm assuming he means Cesar Azpilicueta at right back Ed.
Ash
05 Aug 2012 12:44:37
Have Chelsea considered playing David Luiz or Ranires t right back ever? {Ed002's Note - They could fill in there but they are not right backs.}
Ramires did fill in their did alright. & luiz i think played thr 4 benfica and dint do to well by all acounts
05 Aug 2012 11:07:50
after last night, sturridge is not good enough, damaio looks a good buy, but i would prefer tomas muller
Wow your just judging his performance on the penalty miss. People miss penalty's it happens even messi missed one against us but he still had a good game against us.
Blue con
Nothing to do with the pen miss, he was poor, but so were the rest, sturridge had good positioning but his final ball was pony, one shot went out for a throw in, get real mate, just coz hes diverse
No Sturridge and GB wouldn't have got to the quarters.
05 Aug 2012 08:14:26
is it true that neymar is going to be free in 2014 {Ed002's Note - No. What is this, Twitter?}
Santos president {Ed002's Note - He has been misquoted then.}
It means he is 'free to leave'...as in available.
For a second I thought he meant 'free' as in no money. I was gonna say that would be deal of the century. Neymar, one of the best young talents atm, on a free.
05 Aug 2012 08:13:54
have we bided for andre schurrle {Ed002's Note - I think we have waited long enough.}
05 Aug 2012 05:36:56
I don't consider myself an incredibly smart individual when it comes to tactics but in a team that's attack is built upon speed I think it's quite obvious that we need to press high up the field defensively. This is even more glaring when the other team is sitting deep. I think part of the issue is that our three behind Torres aren't incredibly inclined to work hard defensively but also in our cente mids especially when mikel and Lampard in there who only sit deep and let the play come to them. With rami and essien in the middle I think we could really put this into motion.
Tk
We tried that under avb, pushing up left us conceding loads
Only cuz the players didnt like it ie cole terry lamps. if we continue this season like last year in the prem, im sorry to say we know it wasnt avb but it was the ego of the players! but atleast we created chances unlike now
I think lamps saw avb as the end of his career and understandably so he didn't like it so he didnt play up to his potential. I have a hard time imagining we can play attacking with those two and mikel in the team although I hate to say it.
Tk
05 Aug 2012 02:24:55
Mark my words....RDM is sacked by christmas, redknapp takes over till end of season, Pep comes in next season!
Yer I believe pep will be in next year. I said from the star Di mo can't take us any where playing good football. We're better off defending all season if we want Di matteo to stay. I'm not being funny but when we played young josh in preseason he's been our best midfielder, why hasnt he had a lookin the last 2 games? I'll tell you why is because Di matteo favours lamps and Mikel not for their footballing but he favours them because he likes them as people! And that is not how to manage. Especially when ramires was our best last year playing from deep he ain't no winger! Essien and mceachran wre our best pre season against a strong psg team. Why hasn't he tried playing them again to gether. Let Essien do the physical work. Let mceachran pass and creat space. We have no other centre mid like mceachran no where near his standards of passing. BLUEBOY1
Completely agree blueboy. Made a mention that those two were our best pairing in preseason as well. He's not gonna get any better if he sits on the bench and they seem to hold him in high regard since they aren't bringing in anyone in his mold.
Tk
05 Aug 2012 10:15:22
Look on the bright side lads, we've all seen Wigan play before, we already know that Brighton defence was better than they are going to be! ;)
Prediction: 3-0: Torres, Ivanovic, Hazard
CFCFOREVER!
When do we play Wigan? Is it a friendly or our opening game of the season?
Opening game mate :)
CFCFOREVER!
Ivanovic is a rather unusual pick to score on opening day of the season...........so is Torres lol jks
RT
RT: In our last 10 meetings with Wigan, A Chelsea defender has scored in 6 of them. Ivanovic will be on hand to make it 7 in 11 ;D
CFCFOREVER!
05 Aug 2012 09:00:43
Hope RDM starts with Oscar ,Mata and Ramires ,Essien and Hazard in the midfield for the first 4 or 5 games.It is the best combination possible behind Torres and it will give them time to gel.Also for christs sake when will RDM realize that Ramires is not a winger.By playing Ramires on the right we are losing virtually two players(A midfielder in Ramires and a winger in Marin).I know it is pre season but he has been playing Ramires there consistently.
roan
roan
Don't think Oscar will be here so I would put mceachran in
I can only justify him putting him there this last game based on the people available but otherwise I completely agree!
Tk
05 Aug 2012 00:45:59
Well i know most of us are disappointed after the game against Brighton. Well RDM put one of possible strongest line up against weaker Brighton side and yet we lost 3-1.
Well RDM tried again old formation of 4-3-3 as only Hazard was new to this system rest all had pretty much experience of playing in this formation.
In all pre season matches we have seen we tried to dominate the position. Most of time we were doing short passes but yet we failed to create goal scoring chances.
Well do not take me wrong but when you try to adapt the short passes you need to do that after every first touch at earliest so it becomes unpredictable for the opponent.
When we played against Brighton we tried short passing with meireles, lampard, essein,ramires who all were not so great in it as they were slow in decision making, they required few touches before ball was passed and hence it was very predictable for brighton.
We all know F. Torres is know for his run cancelling the offside trap of the opponent. He tries to make space for him. If we are gonna play this slow-short passing football then by the time torres will get ball he will be surrounded by defenders and hence will struggle to score.
I guess this style will work if RDM will fit perfectly Hazard, Mata, Oscar into the team. All these players are good in short passing and they keep moving and changing their place and hence makes difficult for opponent to man mark.
But again they need to get the ball from deep midfield from the likes of Essein, Lampard, Mikel because at the moment what we saw is most of times our attacking midfielders and striker were running back to get the touch of ball.
We all know ramires was our best player after juan mata. He is very hard working,energetic and gives his 100% when on pitch. But one thing we all have seen when ramires gets ball in his feet while having run he is dangerous but when he standing just having ball at his feet he becomes predictable.
I would suggest to use ramires in midfield area as one of two holding mid fielder rather than wasting him on wings where we now have other good options.
Essein, mikel,lampard all looked decent but yet i would suggest just to play only one of them as a partner to ramires in deep lying midfield area.
We should play mata,hazard,oscar as attacking trio preferably Oscar as our no 10 but still no matter what all of the above three are capable of playing in that role. My suggestion is oscar because we all have seen oscar falls back in midfield when required to get the ball at his feet n then likes to built up the attack.
Which will be nicely complemented by the timely run of ramires as required from deep mid field.
If essein gets fit play him ahead of mikel.
--------------------cech---------------------
ivanovic-----luiz---------terry--------cole
---------------------------essein-----------
----------ramires----------------------------
mata---------------oscar------------hazard
--------------------torres--------------------
We can not put ramires and lampard both at a time for those two deep midfield role as both are having tendency to get forward and hence the cover wont be provided for our defence during counter attacks. So lampard will be considered as substitute to ramires so as meireles but i guess he will find hard to get much playing time as of last season.
Some of you might pick up mikel ahead of essein but if essein is fit then he is the first name for one those two deep midfield roles. I would prefer romeu instead of mikel as substitute to essein as mikel is slow he holds the ball and can not keep the tempo going also he is slow passer among all these three.
I really do not think we will have great start to the season till we find the right balance in our team which is still missing. And this will be only achieved once torres, mata, new signings hazard, oscar,marin gets their combination rite.
up blues.......
samrat
I agree with the players used but i would put it as a 4-1-4-1 formation, with mikel/essien holding, Ramires and Oscar playing centre-mid further forward and Hazard and mata on the wings but also in a free role in which they can drift behind Torres as they wish. As i mentioned earlier i would preferably have a player like Yann M'vila in the holding role, a player who is able to quickly move the ball towards the attacking midfielders, a skill mikel has not displayed, and is still solid defensively. (though Ed002 mentioned this will not happen as Chelsea are not interested in M'vila or any other pivot dm in this transfer window, perhaps a move in january if all is not going according to plan.)
Rowan
When eden hazard joined he said he chose chelsea over man u because he wanted to play behind the striker, he was used as a winger at his previous club and was half the player as he was behind the striker, so where do we fit oscar, mata and marin in? marin isnt an out and out winger either
Lamps and Mikel are crap! Agree with ur midfield.
Chelsea has Essien&Mikel who are among the best DM's in the world,there is also promising Romeu and Miereles who can also play as DM. No need for M'Vila. If Chelsea wants but I doubt it to replace Essien only player worth bringing in would be DeRossi.
'Lampard is crap'. Comment of the day. Yeah he is crap. Hes only like the top scoring midfielder in the whole of the prem. Hes only a Chelsea faithful/legend. He only came third in the ballon d'Ore in 2006. Lampard is like one of the best mids in the world. Hes getting on now but hes still as good as he ever was.
I pretty much completely agree with the original post.
Tk
I have to disagree lampard isnt and hasnt been as good since the ancelotti double. he was one of the best not anymore though. yes hes the best goal scoring mid, but when he slows our play down & just runs towards mikel with the ball its gunna ruin our play. its the truth franks been a gem for us but his time is up. BLUEBOY1
05 Aug 2012 00:04:35
We need:
Piszczek/Azpili for RB
Falcao for striker. Better striker than Torres now in my opinion. (wouldn't mind Cavani or Hulk but both way over priced)
Sahin for deep lying playmaker on a season long loan with the option to buy.
Also sell: Meireles, Benayoun/Malouda and possibly Kakuta.
Then if we ain't getting results with these players added to the squad we can start to look at RDM!
The players we have are good enough,it is all up to RDM to make them gel.For goodness sake we have Torres ,Hazard, Marin, Mata, Oscar, Ramires,Cole etc all world class players ,it is up to RDM to get the best out of them else he is not good enough.
roan
roan {Ed002's Note - You must put a space after a comma otherwise the post will be deleted.}
04 Aug 2012 23:38:12
Fingers crossed, waiting for next Saturday b4 much can b said... Not impressed so far wit d play. Even if it were mere training, we shouldn't loose to Brighton by playing so badly. Something is wrong, I think frm managemt, team selectn (wrong mix of players) n poor predictable mthds. We need stability n a manager we can have faith in.
Bas!cs.
04 Aug 2012 23:37:47
Chelsea tactics depends who will be 4th striker. If it is HULK or LEVANDOWSKI than RDM will play 4-1-2-1-2(442 diamond) or 4-1-3-2 like Italian national team played during EURO 2012. If Sturridge leaves and Cavani sign RDM will play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3(4-2-1-2-1).
04 Aug 2012 23:29:31
I am really fed up with people talking about no10 position. No10 was specific position when pract.every team use to play MW formation. It use to look like:
1
2 5 3
4 6
8 10
7 9 11
Today you can not find the team which play this old Austrian formation,it was also called W formation.
Number 10 is a term of a type of player. not a position. BLUEBOY1
It is acctually a position. eg mata plays in the no.10 role, not mata is a no.10 player
Deco played further back, joe cole wide, they were classed as number 10 type players
No s*** rooney wears 10 and he aint no play maker. number ten role is given to playmakers like above said deco, cole.