Chelsea Banter Archive May 29 2012
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29 May 2012 22:57:42
Hey all, what about this team for next season
Cech
Cesar luiz cahill cole
Mikel fernando
Ramires. Mata. Hazard
Torres.
Im not sure if ramires would be ad effective at dm as he wouldnt be able to make those runs foward as much. Mata.behind the striker and hazard on the left, they can both switch positions in a match. Fernado would give the defence great cover. I like azpiculeta over vdw but thats just my opinion, luiz and cahill have to start playing together some time so why not now? Obviously cole pn the left. Im still skeptical over torres being our main striker, hope he proves me wrong, but i he doesnt get at least 20 goals in UCL, BPL, LC and fa cup i say replace him.
Thoughts?
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Just bcuz u play 2 mids doesnt one of them still cant attack.
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I think hulk in place of rami and put rami in for fernando considering theres no talk of us actually signing fernando thats concrete rumours he might not be defensive mid but he is an engine and lampard for mikel to be honest mikel had a couple good games dont mean nothing
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29 May 2012 22:39:25
I think our back 5 are pretty much sorted .
I would like to know how people think we should play the front 6.
From players such as lampard,mikel,Ramires,mata,hazard,hulk,marin,Torres
I really don't know....
Jm10
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Mikel Ramires
Mata Hazard
Hulk Torres
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--------------CECH-------------
CESAR--CAHILL-LUIZ--COLE
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HULK-------MATA-----HAZARD
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iva play some at rb & CD, even though jt is a great leader i think its time for a new partnership to gel, bertrand to play lesser teams and carling cups. if we dont sign martinez or fernando then ramires, lamps, mikel rotate for them 2 mid places. i dont want modric i believe in young josh mceachran. mata hulk hazard can all swap during the game, but debruyne and marin should get ther chances on the wings. torres will score shed loads with us finally signing some awesome wingers/playmakers/assisters. but if not hulk can play up top or sturridge & bring marin or debruyne to starting 11. OUTS-kalou, malouda, essien:( , drog, bosingwa, ferreira, and sturridge if we can get schurelle. we dont need someone like falcao, higuain or cavani, torres will do the job. opeffully piazon, mceachran and hutchinson and kakuta will play somepart. BLUEBOY1
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LOL at the way everyone putting hulk's name in our team like we've signed him. Love the positive posts though.
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Seems like a nice line-up to me. However the 2 changes i'd make (obviously if we did sign Hulk & Cesar) would be to play Luiz next to Ramires instead of Martinez and play Ivanovic next to Cahill. I do still rate Terry but the tail end of last season showed that maybe he should be kept as first choice cover for Cahill or Ivanovic.
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29 May 2012 22:36:25
My team for next year!
Cech
VDW - Luiz - Terry - Cole
Ramires - Fernando
Hulk -- Mata -- Hazard
-Torres-
Subs
Turnbull
Ivanovic
Cahill
Mikel/Betrand
Lampard
Marin
Sturridge
I think this line up and subs would give us so many different options, and would be able to match the best teams in Europe and in the Premier League.
Ed018, whats your thoughts?
PR! {Ed018's Note - sure, looks good to me}
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29 May 2012 22:26:06
everyone goin on about hazard , whn will he sign, or have his medical just chill & b patient! smoke some funny stuff or go to a pub to keep ur mind off him LOL im as excited and eager as all of you, whatever will be will be BLUEBOY1
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They love him more than he loves himself they cant keep there minds off him
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29 May 2012 22:19:23
when do england play belguim?? {Ed018's Note - Saturday}
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Thank god thought i missed it 2nyt, cheers ed
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29 May 2012 22:18:26
I DONT WANT GREGORY VAN DER WIEL, he plays just like bosingwa in every aspect of his game. passing, crossing, losing possession, and leaving a hole in our defence. you will all se if hes in euro team.
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29 May 2012 22:07:50
Hey everyone just want your thoughts on lucas moura, is there actually a need for him with Lucas piazon coming through the ranks?
Ed feel free to comment
FT9
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Think he would be great at Chelsea but tbh i can't see hazard hulk moura all joining ! With Marin and de bruyne we have decent wingers now !!! Old are the days of kalou and malouda
Jm10
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Problem i gt with signing mids is that i want mceachran & piazon to succeed, the more we bring in the less chance they have.
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IMO you can never have enough quality(just ask Barcelona and Real Madrid) , so I think quality players of the likes of Moura are always needed at every club. I think the right question should have been - do you think we would get Moura after getting Marin, Hazard and possibly Hulk with Piazon looking so good. And my answer would have been NO.
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They're 2 completely different players and play on opposite wings. i would love to see them both at chelsea but i don't see it happening with us having signed marin, hazard and now looking at hulk.
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29 May 2012 22:05:13
Who listens to talksport ??
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29 May 2012 21:43:49
with marin & hazard signing, possibly hulk, and de bruyne & kakuta returning hopefully no more defensive football.
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We didnt have a choice but to defend against barca and woteva players we sign this summer will probably still have to park the bus against barca
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29 May 2012 21:21:34
(If we don't get Hulk)
----------Cech----------
VDW-Cahill-Terry-Cole
--------Fernando------
--Ramires----Lampard
----Hazard----Mata
----------Torres---------
(If we get Hulk)
----------Cech---------
VDW-Cahill-Terry-Cole
--Fernando-Lampard-
-Hazard--------Mata
----------Hulk------
---------Torres-----
I know there is no Rami. bit its a harsh game this doesn't mean he won't play it just means he isn't best of the best starting 11 befitting the"TEAM"...
Please give me your thoughts? {Ed018's Note - I'd start Ramires over Lampard and Fernando any day of the week}
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Ramires is one of the most important players in our team; certainly the first central midfielder on the team sheet!
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Why leave Ramires out, and why play Hulk behind the striker and Hazard to the right, neither really plays in those positions, but if you switched them...
You also seem to have the premise that VDW and Fernando are more likely signings than Hulk, which i think is well off.
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Ramires gets better everyweek lampard is the one declining! AND u wouldnt play hulk behind a striker 4 2 3 1
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I Certainly agree with ED018, rami is going to be my first pick in the midfield irrespective of who we sign to be honest. Lamps is a legend and I bet even he knows his days as a regular are over. I'm positive Hulk would join us (praying) so I think I agree with your second team a bit more,I would make few changes though. Rami for Lamps,VDW only if Bran leaves (honestly, I hope not), Luiz and Cahill are the future at CB positions IMO ,Hulk on the right with Mata and Eden(yeah sounds good)inter changing during the game, and please no Fernando ,I think Romeu is good enough ,so also Mikel has his fair share of critics but he sure does do the job of a holding midfielder pretty well. Other than that good team with the likes of Marin,sturridge,Lamps, hutch and bertrand on the bench. As I said its going to be a fun summer for us any ways :)
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Remember guys Hulk is playing as a CF and Mata and Hazard in behind him and together they will rotate them the whole time because they have fantastic passing technique this formation is almost like a 4-2-2-2 formation just Hulk plays a little bit deeper to the right and torres forward to the left.Im starting Lampard because you need someone to run that midfield between all those star studded new signings and big Ego's..Hazard and Hulk will also rotate when Hazard moves to the right side then Hulk will move in behind him depending on the positioning on the field.Long passes and quick play will be utilized as we will outclass any defence with variation in Speed,Strenghts,Dribbling,Passing and more aspects.
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I agree with ed, i think that Fernando is a really excellent player, with great talent and i would love him to come to Chelsea. Him and Ramires would create an excellent deep midfield pairing. It would just be wow!
Ed002, I know there is interest in Fernando, but has there recently been discussions?
PR! {Ed002's Note - Not recently.}
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29 May 2012 20:56:42
i think that to make are team complete we must get hulk as a right winger and we also need a right back seeming that jose is gone and paulo will probably follow suit. I still fell that Ivanovic deserves to play right back so i think we just need to get a cheap right back. Not van der wiel because he is boswinga in disguise.
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29 May 2012 20:29:19
lads look
cech
van der wiel, JT, Luiz Cole
lamps mikel
marin mata hazard
torres {Ed018's Note - i cannot understand how people keep sending in these teams for next year and don't include Ramires}
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But you havent included ramires.............
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29 May 2012 18:30:00
my chelsea tm for next season
cech
weil ivanovic luiz cole
raimires lampard
hulk mata hazard
cavani
or
falcao
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29 May 2012 19:38:40
please please PLEASE stop going on about hazard hes chose to join chelsea now shut up it doesnt matter when he signs the contract its of no interest to any of us and certainly none of our buisness so please shut up
and as for people wanting walcott at chelsea have you relised chelsea arent an olympic track team ?? he has no skill passing or shooting capabilities he just runs
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29 May 2012 19:15:38
I suppose it is very encouraging that players like Hazard and Hulk want to sign for us. If we hadn't won the CL not sure that would have been the case.
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But we did so there you go.
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Hulk would of still signed hazard probably wouldnt of
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28 May 2012 23:25:55
Hi Ed, Who would you like to see, of those realistically available, at Chelsea next season? I know you have expressed your concerns over a few of the recently linked players. Thanks, Craig {Ed002's Note - I have to steer clear of fantasy football Craig, but others will no doubt help out.}
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29 May 2012 16:28:25
hazard tweeted hes joining "champions league winners" didnt say wot year. at least we can confirm it isnt man city.. hope its true but until that contract is signed its still onging
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Well I have been reading things he has been saying over recent weeks and I think he will fit in with your players really well...
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What is with you morons im signing for the champions league winner means the winners this year so can it pleaase be dropped and if it another game hes playing then stop f**king crying if he doesnt sign for us but the fact is next season hes a chelsea player
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Puzzled jog on to your own page and worry about signing Henderson, Downing and Charlie Adam esq players and i wish you well on securing your manager who will fit right in as he has helped wigan fight relegation two years running so hopefully he can keep Liverpool up lol
European Champions!!!!!
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Isn't that single star going to look a little bit sad all on it's own?
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29 May 2012 16:24:12
Which striker do you think we have a chance of getting if torres mess' up again? Plus this is a sick website
Joe
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We don't need a striker! We need hulk and a rb to be honest I would like a centre mid asweell martinez
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29 May 2012 16:18:46
Hulk or moura
Cavani or falcao
I'd personally have hulk and falcao,
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Hulk and torres
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29 May 2012 15:23:14
Despite his attitude problems i think signing hazard has been a great piece of business.he'll surely add a new dimension to our style of play.hazard mata torres hulk (if he signs) will be an exciting attacking force.in defence all we need is a consistent right back and we're all set for next season.i think we'll be a completely different style of team.
If hazard's attitude becomes a problem we'll have no trouble
selling him at a profit.so it's basically win win for us.rami and lamps/mikel as our midfield enforcers,i personally don't think we need martinez/fernando atm,romeu as backup as he is still young and i think can develop into a quality player.all in all the future is looking bright boys,can't wait for next season.
aL
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29 May 2012 14:19:27
ramires will be a chelsea and brazil legend.
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An person would work that out
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29 May 2012 14:17:57
i think our next signing should be Edinson Cavani as he seems to have the same style of play as Drogba but with more explosiveness and he seems like the type of player that is strong and fights for every ball so he would prove to be effective in the prem
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Give Torres and sturridge a season or till January
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I think we will sign only on player who can play as a striker and that will be Hulk. The club seem to be backing Torres and i cant see many world class strikers (cavani included) wanting to compete for a first team place against Torres.
The great thing about Hulk is his versatility, he can play in the first team without disposing Torres, but can at the same time fill in if Torres is banned, injured etc etc.
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29 May 2012 14:03:49
Chelsea's Formation For Next Season:
Cech
Ivanovic - Luiz/Cahill - Terry - Cole
Lampard - Ramires
Mata
Hulk (If We Get Him) - Torres - Hazard !
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I was thinking more:
Cech
Ivanovic - Luiz/Cahill - Terry - Cole
Lampard
Ramires - Mata - Hazard
Hulk - Torres
In a 4-1-3-2 formation.
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I still think lampard needs to be rotated
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29 May 2012 13:47:45
I said yesterday (28 May 2012 12:59:07) that Hazard would make an announcement yesterday evening about his future and coming to Chelsea :-)
Want to hear another one.......??
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Go on then!
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Oh please lets hear your next bit of transfer news you seem to know......
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I can beat that I said about 5 weeks ago about hulk, and my source is chief groundsmen at Porto. He has just told me deal to be concluded by the weekend at £35mil
FT9
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Whts tht thn? Lol
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Get on then son!
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Yes please
Jonny
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Yer and my nans cousins twin sisters best friends brothers dog is goin to run with the olympic flame (aimed at FT9)
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Hulk will have signed by this time next week, personal terms have already been established via his agent.
Azilpicueta will be next after Hulk, probably just before the Euro's and then a Striker will come in before the end of the month. I wouldn't expect Falcao, Higuian or Cavani as Torres has been promised the starting role, I've heard Doumbia would be the most likely.
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Not going to happen mate hulk will join a right back possibly and that will probably be all we wont buy a striker we got torres and hulk will most likely be back up and we got sturridge still too
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To the person who aimed at FT9, please use the search function and type in FT9 you'll see that I mentioned it way before anybody else and I listed my source, some of us do have people who are connected to people inside football. Not just sat behind a screen!
FT9
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29 May 2012 13:40:12
If mata doesn't better his strength,speed and fitness he will be a substitute for hazard in that CAM role
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Oh iv said this time and again because mata isnt as quick as a olympic sprinter hes now no good ?? wots rong with his fitness he played most of last season....... and as for strength he doesnt really need it because defenders rarely get close enough to him he wont be a sub for hazard hazard will be on the wing with hulk on the other mata through the centre hazard and mata occasionally switching i would imagine to keep hazard happy footballs not all about pace last few seasons drogbas completely lost his pace but he was still a legend until he left
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Hazard wants to play centrally behind the striker like mata is currently doing or did if you know anything about that position it is your number 10 position.You need the lot especially the the skill to be a goal threat with mata really isn't when is he is playing centrally ..You need to be reliable and be playing every game for your team..look i would also play Hazard left but he personally wants that central spot most of you will disagree but my prediction is..Marin-Hazard/mata-Hulk.. Mata and Hazard will rotate often as Hazard is still gone use a settling in season next season.Roman might say he wants a :
Hazard-Mata-Hulk
formation it just won't work it will eliminate torres and mata if both hulk and hazard cute in towards goal..
Thus if we don't get Hulk it would be:
Marin-Hazard/Mata-Ramires
So thank you i believe i know what i am talking about..
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Just because players line up one a team sheet like...
Hulk*****Mata*****Hazard
It doesn't mean they will be fixed to those positions. Hazard played in a "free" role at Lille and he will do the same "free" role at Chelsea; so will the other attacking midfielders. A midfield three like that needs to be able to interchange positions, causing real matchup problems for the opposition. I'm not sure Hulk is suitable for this and wold prefer Moura but we'll se what happens.
The point is don't get too caught up on whether these players will be playing on the left, right or centrally.
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And i believe your an absolute person please stop posting ludacris comments about mata and other players
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All 3 of hulk mata & hazard will swap through out the game, as would marin, de bruyne & kakuta i love the sound of our back ups.
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29 May 2012 13:21:19
Ok so this is just a post to show my opinions on what we need for next year. I'm not claiming this is
Going to happen but I see it as a realistic attempt of what we could see
The squad
Cech. Back up Turnball
VDW or Ivanovic 2 of Terry Cahill and Luiz Cole/Bertrand
Ramires. Modric/Lampard
Hulk Mata Hazard
Torres
Reason I went with VDW is we need right back with bosingwa leaving and even tho we are linked with azpilcueta I know more of VDW so went for him
I recon we will see alot more of Bertrand after he proved himself this year.
Went for modric due to last summers bid and spurs failing to get champs league. We need a player like modric who gets the ball forward quickly from deep. Need to hit mata hazard and Torres early. We struggle with this last season. Lampard I think may start to play less as his Career comes to an end
I think hulk with come in. I don't think he's an out n out striker so went with him at right Wing. Sturridge frustrated me to much.
Still hoping Torres finds form and we saw signs late in the season. However I would like to see us sign another world class striker with drogba leaving and in case torres does not work out Cavani would be my preference due To falcao being quoted for alot more money. Both our quality tho.
I'd let malouda and essien leave aswell as kalou bosingwa. We have other players on Marin de bruyne mceachran who can also rotate.
Your thoughts?
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VDW is overrated we moan that boss was s**t defending, VDW ain't much better from what I've seen
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29 May 2012 12:33:51
All we need is hulk and a right back. I just too greedy haha
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29 May 2012 12:20:56
Am I delighted with the signing of hazard ?.... Yes
Am I deleriously over the moon?...... No
It is well documented that he sees the premier league as a stepping stone to Spain. So by the time he is 28, he will not still be at Chelsea.
However, I am still excited for him to play for us until that day comes.
As far as I am concerned, signing hulk and a right back is all we need now. However a front four of mata,hazard, hulk, Torres is fairly light weight and a bit to ' precious '.
I also think that , sadly, with these players we would not be able to beat Barcelona pound for pound and would probably not be good enough defensively to park the bus. but hopefully i am wrong.
Regarding the manager, I think that people say how defensive Di matteo was, I think that he did the best he could with the players available. Do you really think against bayern that we would park the bus with hulk, hazard, Ramires and mata ? Simply no
However, the future does look bright and I'm buzzing for next season !!
Interested to hear people's thoughts ....
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I sort of agree with you if chelsea do well he wont leave and to be honest im sure barca and madrid were interested in him and he wouldnt go i dont think we need a right back immediately if ivanovic will happily play there and our front 4 arent that lightweight to be fair hulk is a unit and torres has got some strength mata has players strugglein to get near him and hazard will probably be the same just in my opinion we could compete with barca better than we did this year come january do our best to bring in a holding midfielder and just concentrate on gettin hulk and mayb a right back in the summer
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Agree that we are in danger of becoming a bit lightweight, i've said it before il say it again, i would really like Fellaini, or at least someone of a similar size/stature in our midfield, dont get me wrong im chuffed we're signing small skillfull players but i fear we will lose a lot of points away from home in the League against bottom half teams if they can dominate us strength and sizewise.
Only really have Mikel and Romeu who would fit into the big/strong category and im not convinced thats enough atm, Essien is strong enough but his form isnt there, and Lamps will play a lot less, I would go as far as saying i would rather see us in for a Big box to box midfielder rather than a RB, for me Ivanovic with Hutch as cover is suffice
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Hulk is far from precious, and Hazard is no more light weight than Kalou or Malouda, and Mata played very well in the league last season so i am not sure there will be to much of a problem, you have simply got used to the bulldozer approach spearheaded by Drogba.
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Ronaldo only saw Utd as a stepping stone for Real - would they take back the time they had him in their squad? If he moves to Spain in the future it will be for a small fortune !
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29 May 2012 11:51:45
lol @ the people saying will hazard be loaned out next season .... yes we paid over 30 mill for one of the biggest players in europe just to let another club play him...........
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29 May 2012 11:24:51
Chelsea-bound Eden Hazard, 21, was once caught on camera eating a burger outside the stadium where a Belgium match in which he had been substituted was still going on
well u do get hungry playing football ...... he might have an attitude problem but come on give the boy a break
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It was the fact he behaved like a child and stormed out the stadium after being substituted that was the issue there, not the burger. I think his involvement with the media is of more concern.
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Yer hes not the first player to storm off and certainly wont be the last yet he gets the most publicity over it look at tevez stormed off back to argentina media wasnt that bad with him
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29 May 2012 11:16:16
champions league winner means the team that won it this year you goons so no it doesnt count for man united aswel in which case he cud be signing for barca madrid ajax inter ac milan liverpool porto red star belgrade marsielle the list goes on ..........
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29 May 2012 11:05:07
***********Cech*********
Richards**Luiz*Cahill**Cole
****Ramires**Lampard****
**********Mata*********
*Hulk*************Hazard*
**********Torres*********
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Na not Richards azipicueta
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Richards is much better than azilpicueta
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Where have people got this obsession with Azpitcupela or whatever his name is! He's not actually that good, Van Der Wiel is better, and neither are as good as Ivanovic!
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29 May 2012 10:21:48
It seems to me that too many of us get carried away fantasising over all the major players we can sign, forgetting what we already have. We have just proved that the most important attribute is strength of character. DD may have gone but we still have JT/FL/PT/AC. Add to that Cahill (who has performed better & better) and Ramires (gets booked in Nou Camp 2-0 down with 10 men and immediately scores a magnificent goal), and Ivanovic (think Napoli and Barca) all have that same strength of character. We shouldn't also ignore Mikel (I wanted to sell him last year but RDM has performed miracles with him), Mata (could be even better after a great first season), Torres (the signs are there - think he'll have a much better season). I think Marin will be a very good buy and if we really do have Hazard, then that looks positive enough for me. So why are some fans wanting more big name signings? We have good enough back up....would like to see Hutchinson get a few starts at RB and Bertrand maybe a dozen starts at LB. Luiz, Romeu, Sturridge, Meireles and Lukaku add to that lot and we have 19 quality players. Add Essien (damn those injuries), Malouda, Ferreira and Turnbull, thats 23. I would send Piazon out to A Madrid if TC staying another season, Kakuta may be to Lille (to make up for Hazard), Van Aanholt and McEachran both to same club in Holland. One of the things we lacked last season was pace on the flanks and it looks like we've solved that. Might be room for one more signing.
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Marin and Hazard are more left/center mids, the squad has no right mids atm (Sturridge and Ramires who were the most regular players in that position are not true wingers), IMO we need a RB (im sure Ivanovic wont want to play there all season) and RW to have a truly competitive squad.
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29 May 2012 08:18:13
Formation will either be 4123 or 4231 next seaRbson
Gk Cech
Rb VDW or Azpillicueta signed, Bosingwa for cover
Cb David Luiz, Cahill, Ivanovic and Terry
Lb Cole, Bertrand
Cm Ramires Mikel or Romeu
Cam Mata, Lucas and Lamps
Rw Hulk or Hazard
Lw Marin or Hazard, Neymar would be brilliant
St Torres, Sturridge
That team would destroy the prem and europe.
JS
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Bosingwas been released.........
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Bossy has left, you seem to imply here that he is still a Chelsea player.
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Still get hulk
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U also forget that Hazard wants to play CAM
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29 May 2012 07:35:07
If hazard is joining he must have asked about who will be permanent manager can you shed any light on this
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Why do you say that? I mean if he signs and that manager gets sacked, Hazard doesn't follow him out the door.
The bloke has shown numerous times he has not yet reached the stage of being a professional both on and off the pitch, so I'd imagine the only question he asked was 'how much do I get a year?' followed by 'where do I sign?'.
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Well said melbourne
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Haha that is probably how it went, word for word!
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29 May 2012 01:57:58
Hearing a lot about edin hazards attitude and temprament problems. hope they are not like balloteli,tevez, joey barton. As far as twitter is concerened rio ferdinand is also a big tweeter, that diesn,t make a lesser player. Using twitter is a person's personal life and we must not over emphazise on it,
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29 May 2012 00:39:34
I get a bit baffled when i see Cahill picked over Luiz.
Cahill is a quality player but in my opinion luiz is more explosive, very good in the air, quick, better vision.
Luiz - untouchable.
Shak
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Luiz & cahill next season gota start building them together, play together as much as pos so they gel, & form a great pacey partnership
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Guessing you dont watch football then..... he trys makin runs when he should just be a no nonsense safety first defender
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Im guessing you stopped watching football near the end of chelsea's campaign because that comment you made doesn't fit with luiz near the end. Have you actually watched him play near the end...or are you just a utd fan who loves criticising a future chelsea legend because you feel intimidated.
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