Chelsea Banter Archive May 28 2013
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28 May 2013 22:57:01
Maybe we will get cavani with torres going the other way with 20mill on top
Would really like isco at the bridge. think he'll thrive with the hazard and mata playing with him
Loan luakau to a champions league team that's likely to pass the group stage
Didn't we loan paizon to malag so would be easy to do business with them?
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Mistake to get rid of torres now
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Malaga won't be in the Champions league, they have a ban buddy
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We loaned piazon to malaga so he could get first team experience, fans then guessed that it would sweeten an isco deal
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28 May 2013 21:45:06
Dont Financial fair play affect Moncao?
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They can't really be enforced. Search what Ed02 posted about FFP.
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28 May 2013 20:29:15
Ed18 why did falcao choose a newly promoted team over chelsea? Was it just wages?
Porkman not logged in {Ed018's Note - your guess is as good as mine}
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28 May 2013 21:48:12
coz monaco recently won the CL
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The financial package he would have been offered would have been astronomical. His basic wage will be huge, he will have other appearance and goal fee's. Add in the fact Monaco as things stand is a tax haven you can't blame the guy.
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Monaco champs league?
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He obviously wasn't that interested in football - oh well maybe not the best to have him at chelsea then.
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I just find it funny that at madrid accepted he would want to move onto a great club with european reputation like real or chelsea. then falcao says, actually i'd rather move to a french team that's not even in european football. he's moving to a team with a lesser reputation than at madrid. ridiculous!
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28 May 2013 14:06:33
Eds I notice Turnbull is on the PFA available list does that mean we are after a new back up goalie?
If so whose name is in the frame? {Ed018's Note - I thought he signed a new contract?}
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I thought he signed a 1yr extension
One Bomb Tom
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28 May 2013 16:26:06
I think Chelsea should sign up
1) Schurrle
2) Lazar Markovic
3) Van Ginkel (recently been put on to him.
4) a Centre back
Recall
1) KDB
2) Chalobah
3) Lukaku
Not the 100m spoken of but it would set up us with a good young squad.
One Bomb Tom
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Looks pretty good. Maybe buy another striker if Torres or Ba gets sold. Other than that I fully agree
Franco
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Ba is unlikely to be sold (unfortunately) and Torres will be difficult to unload due to high wages and relucantcy to leave, so I wouldn't be too surprised if they where both here come 1st September
One Bomb Tom
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Then I think with those players we should be just fine
Franco
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Another Striker such as Aubameyang, still feel Markovic will need experience before he starts so it would be like not signing a striker.
JMJW
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Yeah I agree i'd Love Aubameyang but i'm not sure if we will make a move this window, i'd also like Luke Shaw
One Bomb Tom
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My problems exactly jmjw we don't give any player the chance to develop.
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Another disappointment, One Bomb Tom.
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Another disappointment? at least this least is reasonable some people must be mental if they think some players in there list's genuinely have a chance.
One Bomb Tom
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If he's 18 as I think he is, then by sure he'll need some loanee experience, it's not wasting talent by all means, it's just preparing him for the future, i'd prefer the loan over 5 games a season, it will benefit him more.
JMJW
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Unless we can off load Either Torres or Ba I wouldn't think we will bring in a "Top" Striker with it likely we will have Schurrle and hopefully Lukaku we don't really need more than 4, but if 1 of those do go maybe Chelsea would get a replacement. Lazar being brought in and i'd imagine he'd be loaned out again but he may stall finish off his development. and loaned in January.
One Bomb Tom
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28 May 2013 14:54:14
Why are people stressing about who we will or won't sign. Jose will have a trick up his sleeve. My real concern is all this talk of De Bryune leaving, his a real talent, better than Schurrel. Fingers crossed the Portuges oracle gets his eyes on him in preseason and blocks any moves.
Either way this transfer market is going to be interesting with lots of clubs in the EPL and across Europe looking at rebuilding there teams. Enjoy it and stop worrying fokes, what will be will be.
CFC Dan
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28 May 2013 12:17:21
Liverpool fan in peace here.
Heard KDB is being shipped out. chelsea seeling him.
IF true then you areactually doing a blunder. the lad is superb quality. better than some of your players already in the squad.
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28 May 2013 13:32:01
I hope this kid is not sold, we'd regret if we do.
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Only way I can see it happening is part of a move for lewandoski if we can't get another A-grade striker.
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For the price being mentioned by the papers I don't see it happening, and recently KDB's agent said that it is up to the next manager to decide kevins future, so fingers crossed the club don't make the mistake in selling him, surely if all of us see it as stupid to sell so will the board.
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28 May 2013 11:29:27
My team for next season
Cech
Azpi/wallace--iva/terry--cahil/cb?--a. cole
Mikel/ramires--luiz/lampard
Hazard/isco?-- mata/oscar--debrune/moses
Cavani/lukaku/ba
All out strikers out powerful nd what are your suggestions for cb? Nd isco?
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Wallace loaned out, Luiz back into defense and an extra cb brought in, preferably Papadopoulos for me. Put in Van Ginkel as cm, Schurrle instead of Isco as I feel Schurrle is more of a genuine winger than Isco. I'd rather not spend more than 40m on a striker so I'd opt for a cheaper option (maybe Aubameyang or Jovetic).
Franco
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Why do so many people care how much our multi-billionaire owner spends on players?
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Because there are going to be FFP RULES coming in and is like Chelsea to be able to play I'm Europe
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28 May 2013 15:05:45
to the last poster.
can u rewrite that. my head got bursted.
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Do you really think the people running the club are just spending without considering the imminent FFP rules coming in to force?
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28 May 2013 21:47:39
FFP is a joke. it won't touch the Bigger clubs.
city hardly care. they will spend at-least 50-100 every year.
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It's hardly a joke no name. It's just small clubs like Liverpool do not have the finances, or financial clout too invest well, when they are going through a 'rebuilding' phase.
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I think ed mentioned that Liverpool would be one of the clubs which would fail ffp.
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Which, you'd assume, shows a complete lack of financial clout. They are the laughing stock of the league for good reason. Go look at their page once a week and you will see how deluded they are
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28 May 2013 11:02:30
A lot of Rumours that thiago alcantra because hasn't played a certain amount of minutes that his contract states a rerelease Claus of €19m? I don't know how true, Manchester United are apparently really interested??
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I know, I hate the thought of united adding a player of his talent for so little money. It's a shame we're not interested
Jackson
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For that money we should become interested thou. Brilliant player young and versatile. What were after
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Even though u have oscar mata hazard who will all play in that position?
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28 May 2013 10:20:59
Bild reporting that Kevin de Bruyne's 15m euros move to Dortmund is imminent. Very sad if this is true. Would love to see a front line next year of:
de Bruyne----Mata----Hazard
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---------Lukaku/Gomez------
I feel this front line is good enough now and also will improve a lot over the next few years. Big loss if he goes now, we'll regret it in a year or two.
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Would love to see KDB in the center of the pitch, he is not to physical but with Luiz next to him he would be free to move the ball around, create chances and score a few.
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28 May 2013 09:35:45
Man utd got a real world better in w. zaha could be the future of the england team imagine if we had zaha and hazard running at full back that will be AMAZING
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You can't get all the talent in the world. De Bruyne is going to be world class in a few years as well, I really believe so
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27 May 2013 23:47:49
I will be extremely disappointed if Chelsea fail to land one of Cavani, Falcao or Lewandowski. It is blatantly obvious that our team is desperately crying out for someone who knows how to score goals. If we want to be challenging both domestically and in Europe next season then one of these players if a necessity! If we settle for 'great' players, not 'special' player then I'm afraid we are going to be scrapping for top 4 again this season. If I were the board I would pay a little bit extra to get them, because let's be honest if we fail to see that Lewandowski for £25m is a good deal then I have lost all hope in the board and Emenalo which tbh I already have this last season. We need to send out a message again that we mean business, and for anyone saying 'they may not fit in right', let me tell you they will because anyone with the amount of chances our midfield makes just has to have finishing and running ability, which these three players have in abundance! Sorry for the rant and length of post, but I feel very strongly about this.
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I can deal with it if they simply prefer to play somewhere else but to be outbid to me is unnaceptable.
Tk
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You are taking all this far too serious.
JG
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28 May 2013 08:30:57
Its not money. Players want to move elsewhere.
cavani wil partner aguero at city. lewodaski wil join a team who is managed by Pep and am sure to defend the CL crown. falcao Not sure. what is he going to achieve at monaco.
Most of the strikers fears what happend to torres at chelsea. big money, bad reputation. no goals, constant abuse.
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Having criticised Emenalo on here before, I would say when you look at the players coming through the academy and our transfer dealings over the last few seasons he has done a commendable job. Getting one of those players is certainly not going to make or break our season next year. If they want to go and collect higher wages elsewhere so be it, and Chelsea should certainly not start offering to "pay a little extra".
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Alright then JG, well if u enjoy competing for top 4 then so be it.
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I agree TK. The fact that it seems we are willing to pay £20m for Schurrle and can't get Lewandowski is a myth to me.
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Im pretty sure that if Dortmund received two offers of £25m one from Chelsea and one from Munich they would accept only one! Hence what I mean by it is about the money!
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Torres hasn't been given 'constant abuse' at Chelsea. The fans have been disappointed in his inconsistency but we certainly haven't treated him terribly.
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I'd go as far to say that the we have been incredibly supportive to Torres. I think he has even come out and said how we have been amazing for him.
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People gave torres a year and a half to find his form. sorry if after nearly 3 years of terrible performances the fans began to become a little annoyed with him.
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Torres was gven abuse by the press but the fans have always been 100% behind him.
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I don't see how people are complaining about cavani/falcaos price of 50m when they aren't complaining about schurrles price of 20m. World class strikers aren't cheap.
Tk
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You are certainly disregarding one important part of the transfer deals as such. It ain't no computer game, you know. Certain amount of transfer fee does not make it automatic.
It is not a closed league like the American sports leagues where you trade a player and his contract within the league. Hence if Lewandowski wishes to go to Bayern and his reps are good at what they do, the only thing that Dortmund can do about it is bring in someone like Chelsea into equation with a chance of offering a player something better than what ge has on offer.
There you have to understand that certain interests also play a big part. Not only wages and fees. Bundesliga is in huge revival. Bayern are a superclub with amazing traditions, structure, fanbase and all. You have to understand that we aren't on the same prestige level as Barca, Real, Bayern and Manchester United are. And if the player wishes to stay in Germany with one year left on his contract there is nothing you can do.
Please do not be childish in thinking that we can get whoever we want when we want them.
JG
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I'm sure we've put in bids for Cavani and Falcao and might do for Lewandowski. But I agree with JG, some players have other preferences. You can't force a player to sign for your team. Falcao is likely to earn £10m TAX FREE. In order for us to match that we'd have to pay him £20m. If both us and Bayern put in the same bid, regardless of whether Dortmund prefer Lewandowski to go to a different league they can't force him. If they don't accept Bayern's offer, Lewandowski could always threaten to see out his contract and leave for free.
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I don't believe it is as simple as players at Monaco don't pay tax. I recall Ed002 mentioning that it was more complicated. I also don't think other Ligue 1 clubs would be overly happy that they are having to pay their players more because their income is being heavily taxed.
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I'm not sure if you misread me or I misread you but I meant that I can deal with it if a player wants to go to a different team but not if we aren't willing to pay the money that other clubs seemingly are.
Tk
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As in wages Tk? Or transfer fee? As we'd match the transfer fee for all of them. Wages is different. In order to be more fiscally aware we can't simply hand out £250k+ contracts all the time. Monaco is a tax haven so we wouldn't be able to realistically match anything they offer Falcao.
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When we discuss financials generally I think it's understood that nobody's going to match Monaco due to the extenuating circumstances.
Tk {Ed002's Note - There is every chance Munich will.}
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It's not only Monaco which offers great deal and taxes. The last five years in European football has seen the shift of power going from England to Spain and that is purely based on taxes in my honest opinion. English taxation of 50% on premium income compared to the exceptional talent exempt of 20% in Spain the last 5 years is a significant difference money-wise.
If I recall right taxes are not accountable in FFP, but overall monetary outlay makes big difference to say the least.
JG
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