Chelsea Banter Archive June 20 2014

20 Jun 2014 21:27:02
Hi ed002, Great site, Quick one ed, will we go for Rooney? Why I ask is he is not going to be first choice with Van Gaal now, and are we stalling on costa for this reason? Cheers ed .

20 Jun 2014 13:23:59
So how do we stand on homegrown players? How many do wee need to enter maximum squad number? I know under 21s don't have to be listed.
We have Cahill, terry, fabregas, bertrand, lukaku?

We need at least 8 for the premier league. We can select U21 players who are home grown but that will take up some of the 25 spots. For the champions league we need the same expect we need 4 players who have not just trained in the nation like the premier league but who have actually specifically been trained at chelsea for 3 year before their 18th birthday.

I assume were selling Bertrand and Moses and the club as ED02 have stated are in search of young english talent such as Darlow, Shaw and Barkley.

Ake is now classed as HG along with Chalobah.

MB1
Not strictly correct

You are allowed to have up to 17 non home grown players. In theory you don't have to have even one home grown. You can have as many home grown as you want (as long as you don't exceed the 25 man limit)
You can have an unlimited number of under 21 players and they do not count in the 25 man squad.
Interestingly enough all our under 21 players that were out on loan (such as Lukaka, Piazon & T.Hazard )were registered as being our players . I don't think this helps in terms of the stricter requirements for club trained players but the home grown 36 month requirement is I think met even if a player is out on loan.

Likely that Bertrand and Lukaku will leave. Ed mentioned a while ago that we were going for Darlow, which would take us up to 4. It's likely that we'll just submit a 21/22 man squad.

Terra, it doesn't count if they play abroad.

I think you should follow JMs interviews and what he was saying about his players. What he said about Bertrand, Torres and others who are expected to leave by press. Only player he didn't speak about yet is Lukaku.
Who will leave and who will stay we will see in next two months. All we know at the moment is that Chelsea needs left back, CD or RB (since Ivanovic can play as CD), DM. That's 3 signings.

Terraloon I agree, but that's not what I'm saying. Out of the 25 registered you are right that you can't have more than 17 non-home grown. However, if u want to raise your home grown quota you can register u21 players in order to meet the criteria, but obviously that will take a place out of your 25 man squad. In the champions league however you can't just go up to the 17 non-homegrown (leaving spaces spare) but you do need to actually register the home grown players. Sorry, if this doesn't make sense but its quite hard to explain in writing.

Fuser

That's what I always thought but the suggestion in an article I read the other day is that as you still register loan players (under the age of 21) the only purpose of so doing is to fulfil the 36 month rule.
MB1
Under 21s irrespective of where hey have come from do not occupy one of the 25 squad berths

To become homegrown player, player has to play in England from 18-21 years of age. I am not sure that Piazon, PVA and others who were loaned abroad are considered as homegrown.

Chn
Yep that's what I thought but the wording says registered with a club affiliated to either the English or Welsh FAs
And all our under 21 players out on loan appear in our Premier League squad as being club registered with us but of course by virtue of them being on loan are competition registered with other clubs.
I used to think it was very straight forward but I keep coming back to the point namely how could we shown them in our squad list if they aren't registered with us!

That is good news. But is there a possibility to check which our players are homegrown. Also would be interesting is Alex Song homegrown.

Terra I understand that. What I'm saying is for the champions league we may need to register players u21 to meet the home grown criteria. I know that they don't need to be registered in order to play in the premier league.

Its perfectly feasible for us to meet the criteria while having a competitive squad next season:

Cech, Courtois, Ivanovic, Azpili, Varane, (New LB), Matic, ( New CM), Van Ginkel, Oscar, Hazard, Willian, Salah, Schurrle, Costa, Sanchez, Aubameyang.

This would take us up to the maximum 17 foreign players. Just to point out that I remember ed002 saying that Lukaku counts as HG because he was loaned to another English club.

MB1

When you register your CL squads you send in two lists

The A list is your over 21 players max of 25 etc etc

On the B list you can register as many under 21 year olds as you like as long as they have been at the club for 2 years between the ages of 15 & 21.

Players like Van Ginkel qualified as under 21 for the PL but didn't for the CL. Hence the reason they are in the CL squad but are registered as under 21 in the PL squad. Its nothing to do with meeting the HG criteria quite simply there are slightly different rules

MB what makes you think that we will sign Sanchez? Also if Aboumeyang(sorry about spelling) is about to join one of our wingers will have to leave. Also one of Torres or Ba will probably stay.

Terra has the right of it. In the CL players under 21 who don't need to be registered, need to have been at the club for 2 years. For example Bertrand Traore, despite being 18, would need to be registered in order to play in the CL as he's only been at the club for 1 year.

Also nch, why would we need to sell a winger if we brought in 3 strikers? Ba and Torres will both leave.

Terra - that's what I'm trying to say - you don't need to register U21 players in the Prem but you do in the champs league.

chn - Ba and Torres will both leave. We need at least 3 strikers. I would hope the club will be considering Sanchez and see him as a good alternative to Cavani. I don't see the relation between wingers staying or going?

MB1

Sorry but I am completely lost as to just what you are trying to say, it seems to change a little each time, so perhaps its best that we leave it there.

Chelsea already has Hazard, Willian, Schurrle and Salah. Four players on two positions to get fifth and sixth would be really to much. At this moment Torres isn't going anywhere and with Lukaku and D.Costa there are three players competing for one spot.
What Chelsea really needs is LB, DM and CD oq RB since Ivanovic can cover both positions.
So if we sign Sanchez and PEA(from BVB) they will have to compete with Hazard, Willian, Schurrle and Salah.

Sanchez operated at Udinese as a striker as well as much of last season at Barca - he would not be competing for a winger role. Ed has already mentioned that Torres, Lukaku and Ba are all likely to leave. The club will not be holding on to Torres on £175k a week considering there is interest coming from foreign clubs. Aubameyang has played striker all his life expect last season at Dortmund, so I don't know where you are coming from? They would all be competing for a striker role. Costa, Sanchez and Aubameyang

Udinese traditionaly play 3-5-2 and did it when Sanchez was their player. At Barcelona Sanchez was paired with Villa or Pedro. When Tata Martino put Messi and Neymar as strikers(which was the main reason of Barcelona failure this season) Sanchez lost his place in first team. I can't imagine 1.68m tall to play lone ranger CF role. PEA played right winger at BVB I can say that since I have watched most of BVB games last season. Ed2 gave info about interested clubs at Sanchez on Liverpool page and Chelsea is not one of interested clubs.

I know that Chelsea are not currently interested in Sanchez hence why, if you cared to look up a couple of posts, I say: "I would hope the club are considering him". I also said in the last post that Aubameyang didn't play as striker last season (at Dortmund), but has for the majority of his career. I struggle to see what was so difficult to understand about that? A lot of people consider Sanchez to be Barca's best player last year. It was down to the fact that Messi (who picks the Barca team) has a strong dislike for Sanchez, that he lost his place in the team. While Messi was injured last year it was Sanchez who carried the team. Also, in my opinion, the striker role as evolved and nowadays in modern day football you no longer need a 6ft+ player to play the lone striker role. We saw today using Lukaku as an example that if you play a certain way as a team sometimes a big sort of striker doesn't suit you. You need a player who can keep the ball, link up play and make intelligent runs. The ball wouldn't bounce off Sanchez, he wouldn't struggle receiving the ball with his back to goal, hence why I hope the club are "considering" him.

20 Jun 2014 11:51:24
Hi Ed, any chance Chelsea are back in for Cavani?

20 Jun 2014 01:46:07
I used to think cavani may be solution to our striker problems and always though against us it was our good defending which kept him quiet. After seeing him few times for PSG and international duty I'm not convinced, but we will need another striker in because costa will not be enough.

20 Jun 2014 06:48:03
Agreed, balotelli is that man, then get a third striker like markovic or callejon

We've got the big strong centre forward type in Costa. Now for the little alongside the large perhaps.A Suarez-like addition. Sanchez perhaps?

Would prefer Aubameyang/Sanchez with Markovic

I would like Sanchez. If Lukaku leaves then we should go for Aubameyang as well.