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23 Jul 2017 22:44:33
Ed02. Agents fees, now there is a subject which often includes bribery and black mail in many people's understanding, although I am sure it is all legal and accountable.
Does a player only "employ" an agent in a fee capacity when negotiating a transfer or new contract? The buying club obviously negotiates a fee with the agent where the " if u want my player to sign for you, then I will will need so much money " scenario comes into play. There again the agent could say to the selling club " I will try and get a bit more money for you if u pay me so and so " but then again this must be between the 2 clubs and not involve the agent. Must be lots of conflicts of interests and I assume various contracts have to be written in legal terms to insure everything is above board. Are football agents closely monitored by some sort of authority which monitors their actions?

sid

{Ed002's Note - No. Many use an agent on a contractual basis to negotiate future moves. This tends to be at the higher level. Step down and the can become surrogate mothers. Two quickies stories you might enjoy. (a) a Premier League player who couldn't drive had his agent organise the purchase of an expensive car that was rolled out of the garage when he was visited by the press etc. for interviews, demanded the car was replaced a year later with the latest model in a different colour. He still couldn't drive - but it was image. It had a couple of hundred miles on the clock. (b) a northern-based Premier League player who had put clothes in a washing machine but had no idea how to turn it on repeatedly rang his agent in the South East for instructions on how to use it. This was eventually solved by the agent persuading someone at the Worsley Park Marriott to send a housekeeper (or similar member of staff) around to his house to do his washing and instruct him and his girlfriend in the use of the machine. I will say that both players involved are English.

Agents are regulated and monitored but in certain countries there are some horror stories. The al Bangura tale all comes out of this guy who has published a book on the exploitation of youngster in football. There has been quite a big deal going on in Belgium about it for a couple of years. Investigations are on-going in Spain which has the Cotonou Agreement where African and Caribbean players are not counted against non-EU quotas so t Others here is a periodic influx of Africans, often young and from poor families. I suspect a bigger deal than is necessary will be made of the whole matter.

The number of "foreign" players is also an interesting subject and there are a number of reasons - some I won't think of but I will try and provide some rationale. In terms of pure numbers (and putting aside less major leagues such as Scotland, the Championship, Cyprus and Luxembourg), the Premier League is some distance ahead of the main protagonists in Europe. Right now England has around 70% foreign players with Portugal, Belgium and Italy all around 50% to 55% and Russia, Spain, the Netherlands and France all around the 40% give or take. You would need to check the exact figures with the CIES Football Observatory reports which come out with boring statistics all too often - try not to read too much in to any you stumble across. The reasons behind this include (but are not limited to): (a) There is far more money in the Premier League so clubs can cherry pick players from around the world. (b) The Premier League is attractive because of the profile and media coverage. (c) English clubs often price English players out of a move to other English sides. (d) European sides (e.g. Italy) have to work with in a far more demanding quota system. (e) Some countries have the benefit of agreements (e.g. Spain which has the Cotonou Agreement where African and Caribbean players are not counted against non-EU quotas) that are beneficial to clubs. (f) Some countries have quotas which are game based rather than squad based (e.g. Ukraine limits non homegrown players on the pitch to seven etc.). (g) Some countries have clubs that realise players from their home nation most suit the type of game played in that country and there are benefits in terms of moving players between clubs - as opposed to taking a youngster out of his comfort zone of sunny South America to move to the grim, wet and cobbled streets Northwest of England where there would be a significant cultural change, smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street, little chance of football at the highest level and only chips and fried curry to eat.
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1.) 23 Jul 2017 23:45:30
Thank you ed02.


2.) 23 Jul 2017 23:53:26
I can confirm the north is exactly like that- most can't also grasp the local dialect- Kebabish.


3.) 24 Jul 2017 04:01:16
Awesome insight ed002 - thanks :-)


4.) 24 Jul 2017 08:05:46
Great read Ed002! 👍🏼.


5.) 24 Jul 2017 08:33:13
Thnks Ed002. Very insightful as always.
But would be the take of the English football governing body on this issue of English clubs overpricing their their players out of moves (most times to 'good'clubs)?
I personally think its affecting their football.

{Ed002's Note - They have no say in it.}


6.) 24 Jul 2017 09:02:04
Thanks Ed.


7.) 24 Jul 2017 20:03:46
Nice cut n paste.


 

 

25 May 2017 21:14:17
Ed02 we all know that clubs cannot approach a player of another team whilst under contract etc etc. When it comes to the start of the transfer window what activity if any, has already been done by the buying club with regard to the potential signing of a player? Has his agent been approached and been made aware of the teams interest. Have some transfers proceeded even further? . Or does everyone wait until the first day of the window before starting any process of seeing if the player is available, if he wants to come, and what the fee is likely to be? . Thanks .

sid

{Ed002's Note - A good question Sid. And greeat thanks for that,

Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent and possibly even the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve either broadly (through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.}


1.) 25 May 2017 22:09:04
That said, what about transfers that seem to come out of nowhere- I'm mainly thinking random deadline day moves or signings out the blue- like Salah, Willian or Luiz returning? Is there such thing as a move out of the blue?

{Ed002's Note - I don't understand the question in the context of the thread.}


2.) 25 May 2017 22:40:55
Thank you ed02.


3.) 25 May 2017 22:50:13
I apologise, I didn't make it very clear. What I meant was that is it common for clubs to select targets before windows, do all their scouting etc. - then shelve the plans if the transfer is impossible, only to try again on deadline day etc?

{Ed002's Note - Absolutely true but deadline day no.}


4.) 26 May 2017 09:31:17
Thanks very much Ed002, really informative.


 

 

18 Sep 2016 21:57:59
Love to know what the Chelsea hierarchy said to Conte when they hired him. Wonder what they promised him in the transfer market if anything. Was it a case of " we will try our best to get the players you want ". Was it "do your best to work with the players we have ". I am 100% certain that Luiz and probably Alonso were not in his thinking.

sid

1.) 06 Sep 2016 08:18:57
That is a damn shame, Ed. You are without the doubt the most knowledgeable person I have encountered (though only over the Internet) . Time and time again I'm amazed by how much you know.
I understand your stance, and know that most of us really appreciate you.
Take care then, Ed :-) it's too bad that the Internet is filled with blithering idiots.


2.) 06 Sep 2016 11:11:32
............abuse removed............

{Ed002's Note - I am absoltely sick of you and all the other vile trash on this page who do nothing but give abuse to me. Feel free to take you sad trolling elsewhere.}


3.) 06 Sep 2016 13:24:15
So Darren H has come on this site, posted abuse, (looks like his only contribution), and spoilt the site for the rest of us. Can I just ask you Darren H, why? . Why would someone get a kick out of posting abuse to someone, knowing full well that no one would know who u are. Apart from being a complete coward, I just cannot understand the mentality of people like u.

{Ed002's Note - It is someone else renamed.}


4.) 19 Sep 2016 13:15:22
Silly silly boys posting abuse, ruining this great site for everyone else and obviously upsetting the editors who do a marvellous job and don't deserve any stick whatsoever. Hopefully in the editors absence all of these idiots will move on and we can get back to using this site in the same way as before. Even without the eds I still enjoy this site though, always interesting seeing people's views.


5.) 20 Sep 2016 09:00:44
People have been abusing ed for as long back as I can remember and it ruins this site. Ed002 was the one who told us mata would be joining, at least 3 weeks before he did.


6.) 22 Sep 2016 16:15:44
You'll will alway encounter idiots in all walks of life. Shame really because this site is by far the best place for transfer news. Majority of posters on here are decent. As always a select few ruin it.


 

 

20 Jul 2016 22:02:36
Oh dear have we now really bid 60 m euros for lukaku.

sid

1.) 20 Jul 2016 23:21:12
I'd rather bid 60 for Lukaku than 80 for morata or 120 for pogba.


2.) 21 Jul 2016 00:01:39
Both of them are ridiculously overpriced. Lukaku's first touch is utterly dreadful and Morata could barely get into Juventus' team last season.


3.) 21 Jul 2016 08:21:24
Agree with gianfranco 60 for Lukas u is much better than than 85 for mortar. He has at least proved he can score in the prem.


4.) 21 Jul 2016 08:35:33
Please not Lukaku, he is NOT chelsea quality, as KTBFFH says his first touch is dreadful. This will not improve, you either got it or you ain't, he ain't and it's not going to miraculously appear! The sale to Everton was a great bit of business for us, let it be and move on.


5.) 21 Jul 2016 09:02:58
Still knows where the net is though. 18 goals in a mid table side. Has all the attributes to be a top striker. Just needs to work on his 1st touch and attitude.


6.) 21 Jul 2016 09:54:12
Knows where the net is tho. Proven in the premiership. Unlike Morata who couldn't even get in Juve team last season.


7.) 21 Jul 2016 09:54:13
-------pig ignorant trash removed----------


8.) 21 Jul 2016 14:57:14
Lukaku has a touch like a championship player, I personally wouldn't take him on a free transfer, I don't and have never seen what all the fuss is / was other than he was built big for a 16 year old boy, I do like morata iveseen quite a lot of him and would love us to sign him, the money doesn't bother me, I don't pay attention to it, I don't care if he costs 7 million or 70 million if He's the striker we sign I'll be happy, I think Costa is off though, why spend 33 million on batman, then 60 million on lukaku/ morata for 1 of if not 2 of them to be on the bench, I think we will sign Costa replacement then he'll go.


9.) 29 Jul 2016 01:19:24
Not at all sure I'd want Lukaku back at the Bridge, but with regard to his first touch and control etc, can't anyone remember how bad Didier's first touch was in his first season with us?


 

 

23 Aug 2015 01:56:54
Based on what ed02 has said in the past about how transfers work, then I assume enquiries have been made behind the scene, to determine whether Pogba would be open to a move to Chelsea. Therefore it is up to Chelsea to convince Juve to sell the player, and I think that, maybe, that is where we have the advantage, because we have the money, and, we have the players that Juve want as part of any deal.

sid

1.) 23 Aug 2015 02:36:29
Chelsea made a bid of 75mil€ (55mil£) but it is not the number that could impress Juventus. Their representatives always express in public that Juventus only look for a record big or something similar. And they firmly express that Pogba will not for sale and will be off the market.

Beside that we offered Pogba the salary of 200k £ per week but his agents and advisors considered it was unworthy for his value.

IMO, Juventus will keep him and wait for the auction next year with the return of Barca (look for Innesta replacement) Real, PSG, Man City, Bayern. Pogba also will wait for a higher salary bid. Except Chelsea could meet the price Juventus want and the salary Pogba wants - mo deal will happen.


2.) 23 Aug 2015 11:06:40
At the risk of getting slaughtered, I would prefer to give RLC some game time next to Matic and if things don't work out by January sign W.Carvello from sporting once he has got over his injury. We could effectively afford to sell Mikel and not replace him as we have a number of players who can play in CM: Cesc, Matic, Rami, Oscar and RLC. Wish we would be more adventurous and try RLC or Oscar in that role, push Cesc further forward and have more of a go at teams.
Also if this doesn't change how would people react to seeing Hazzard playing in the number 10 role and having Pedro and Willian on the wings? I think it would work a treat as he would give CB a nightmare forcing wingback stop push in and give to give them cover, freeing up space on the wings to attack down. Just a thought.


3.) 23 Aug 2015 11:40:36
Can't see him getting offered much more than £200k a week anywhere. He's 'only' on about £8000 at the moment so that would be very hard to turn down from the players point of view


4.) 23 Aug 2015 13:12:00
I wouldn't put more thought into the extremely speculative piece by Daton mate. €200k translates to a whole lot of euros and there isn't many players in world football on that kind of money.

I also wouldn't think Sporting will sell Cavalho on the cheap either, Blue. Pretty sure clubs were interestee but baulked at the price, if I remember what Ed002 said a while back.

As much as I'd love RLC to get a string of games, if you can get Pogba you do, even if it means RLC never makes it at the club. Players like him don't become available all to often. Ed002 has said all summer that Juventus are open to selling him, if a fee can be agreed, so I wouldn't pay attention to reports saying they don't want to sell. Its the amount that they want which may make it unachievable.


5.) 23 Aug 2015 17:07:34
I think Chelsea has chosen it's timing wisely. Any earlier and other teams may have got involved, a bidding war. Late in the window most have done there business and barca can't get involved. Look for 2 more bids. I think Oscar and Ramires are missing for a reason. More to come!


6.) 24 Aug 2015 16:09:40
The problem with bidding late in the window is that Juve have no time to find replacements.


 

 

 

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14 Aug 2017 23:44:54
Does Mrs ed02 notice a difference in her husbands demeanour during the months of July August and January? . Does the ed02 shopping bill show an increase during the same months, due to a large increase in the purchase of alcohol.? There again I expect u are all religious and tea total.

sid

{Ed002's Note - I am a sweetie all of the time.}


 

 

07 Aug 2017 22:54:26
As my old grandad would have said " I wish Roman would sit down with conte and Costa, bang their heads together and talk and get something sorted". Too many egos and as ed02 would say " you don't know the full story".

sid

1.) 07 Aug 2017 23:06:45
I know he's been seen wearing a athletico Madrid top still being paid buy roman sod the bloke don't want to be here go just no loyalty anymore.


 

 

02 Aug 2017 21:55:48
Prediction for top 4 based on current position.

Man city
Man Utd
Liverpool
Chelsea

Although it might be struggle for 4th. Last time I predicted we would struggle for 4th I was accused of being a troll. As it turns out I was over optimistic and we struggled near the foot of the table until we sacked Jose.

sid

1.) 02 Aug 2017 22:35:19
What a negative vibe around here on so many posters. We will be 1st.


2.) 02 Aug 2017 23:08:54
I'd go city united Chelsea Liverpool, we will add few. Lee surely so I'm really negative but quietly I'm not an idiot and fairly sensible so I'll think by time window closes 2nd or 3rd.


3.) 03 Aug 2017 00:10:58
Damn right LRDlt.


4.) 03 Aug 2017 05:48:42
My top 6

1. Chelsea
2. Man City
3. Tot
4. Utd
5. Liverpool
6. Arsenal

KTBFFH.


5.) 03 Aug 2017 07:56:26
Chelsea
Man Utd
City
Liverpool
Spurs
Arsenal.


6.) 03 Aug 2017 10:00:49
City
Chelsea
Spurs
Liverpool
United
Arsenal.


7.) 03 Aug 2017 12:02:48
Jose usually gets it right in his second season - Liverpool could crash and burn if Coutinho leaves. A bit concerned about Chelsea's season - Champions League semis and 3rd place in the league - good enough?


8.) 03 Aug 2017 12:08:28
Chelsea, Swansea, city, Liverpool.
I'm calling it now Tammy to score 40+ goals :D.


9.) 03 Aug 2017 15:05:48
Liverpool won't be top 4.

Man u
Chelsea
Everton
Spuds
City
Arse
Liverpool.

Jose yas big depth in his squad plus its his 2nd season that's when he gets it right before tye dressing room goes into meltdown in the 3rd season.


 

 

30 Jun 2017 22:45:59
Rumours Sandro to sign new Juve deal.

sid

1.) 30 Jun 2017 22:48:53
You got that from the Scum of all papers. Don't believe a word they say mate. I feel fairly confident that he'll sign.


2.) 30 Jun 2017 23:00:06
Hope u are correct Adam.


3.) 30 Jun 2017 23:05:46
They took the story from a Juventus fan account on Twitter- not seen a single credible report on it, or Alex Telles being the backup. His name waa picked purely cause he is also a Brazillian LB.


 

 

17 Jun 2017 21:53:02
I wonder when the hazard / Ronaldo swap rumours will start?

sid

1.) 18 Jun 2017 00:08:32
They just did it. These call themselves journalists. Don't they have any shame?


2.) 18 Jun 2017 08:44:15
Guys chill. They have to sell papers in any way they can. Football is only one part of the fake or unreliable news culture. It is everywhere. Journalism has changed since Watergate where they had to have evidence before they published something.


 

 

 

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03 Sep 2017 15:39:52
As mentioned before the Barkley situation has all the hallmarks of a Levy intervention. We know Barkley wants to go to Spurs, so we offer a good price now and Eveton willingly accept, as a - out of contract next year and b- the club and most supporters want to get rid. Levy is hoping no one bids for Him in the summer because he is injured and Spurs know they can get him for a lot less in the January window. But because we bid Levy has to make contact to Barkley or his agent to say Spurs want him and will buy him in January. Barkley then pulls out of the deal to sign for Chelsea, making out he doesn't want to sign for anyone while injured.

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29 Aug 2017 20:17:03
Thought Llorente was injured, but might be wrong.

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18 Aug 2017 12:13:01
We all appreciate the eds. A few immature cowards then spoil it for the rest. Just a shame they have nothing else to do in their pathetic life's. Just a shame u can't give the rest of us the email addresses of these people,

sid

{Ed001's Note - that would solve nothing mate.}


 

 

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02 Aug 2017 21:52:08
Don't forget he would be purchased to replace chalobah and not matic, and wouldn't be first choice.

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23 Jul 2017 23:45:30
Thank you ed02.

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27 Sep 2017 23:54:55
Will be a joy to see Hazard Morata and Pedro together.

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23 Sep 2017 10:40:59
Life if misery completed now, kids and supporting Chelsea. With a few happy days during the next few decades.

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14 Sep 2017 21:55:03
Think that's the best team, unless he decides to put Cahill in instead of Rudiger, but hope he sticks with the German.

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12 Sep 2017 22:08:02
Gilzean and Greaves what a partnership for the spuds.

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31 Aug 2017 23:03:58
Don't know mate, maybe he wasn't 100% sure, maybe something to do with medical, perhaps he wanted to join your lot. One thing for sure Everton won't get so much in Jan whoever he decides to join.

sid