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07 Nov 2010 23:31:06
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Hey Ed is Daniel Sturridge going to be the eventual successor to Nikolas Anelka for that right forward spot or will there be a new signing to fill in there? {ed's note - he is certainly intended to be the answer to one of the front 3 spots, though Neymar was meant to be joining as competition for him and Kalou.}
07 Nov 2010 23:02:30
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07 Nov 2010 21:32:33
Unsigned at 07 Nov 2010 21:02:11
"In fairness mate Sharkey knows jack about Chelsea's finances, he knows about finances and he is an intelligent guy but when it comes to Chelsea he is just as blind as the rest of you, he thinks with his heart and not his brain when our great club is in question."
Seems a little bod, but I'll play along.
"Back in July he said he will stick his neck out and say Chelsea will sign two £20m players and a big marquee signing which i can only imagine he meant upwards of £30m, we actually bought Ramires (£16m) and Benayoun (5.5m) and a couple kids."
I don't recall exactly what I said but it would not have been constrained by money – and your assumption about the £30M is incorrect. Ramires was signed which accounts for one of the players and the club came very close to signing Neymar. What killed the Neymar deal was Santos getting greedy.
"So i think we can agree he was way off the mark…. "
I would be grateful if you could provide a link to exactly what I said that was way off the mark.
"I'm sorry people do not like to hear it but the strings have now been tightened…."
It is not so much they object to hearing about it. What I imagine is that they don't necessarily need to hear it over and over again. You never sign your posts so it would be simple to disappear should you be proven wrong.
"we have an 80k a week wage cap…."
I would be grateful for some further details on this please.
"Roman and Bruce was moaning the other day about other teams being able to pay large wages, why are they worried about this?"
I am surprised to hear this – was anything else shared with you?
"Its simple its because we will not be able to compete with the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man United, Arsenal, Inter, AC Milan, Juventus & Bayern for players in the future. ….I'm no scaremonger…"
I would say the opposite, you seem to put a great deal of effort in to depressing the hell out of the Chelsea fans.
"…. but i am certain of one thing, we will not sign Neymar."
Are you absolutely certain that there were no meetings with his representatives after the season began?
"We will never spend big on anyone ever again unless we can make huge profits as a club, but that will not happen anytime soon."
Not a scaremonger then?
"Editor am i wrong for wanting Chelsea to win trophies the proud way?"
I completely agree it is the right and responsible thing to do of course.
Sharkey.
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To be fair to the original post Sharkey. You did say Chelski were going to sign Fernando Torres in the summer. Which is probably the "marquee" signing the original poster was talking about?
I think the word you are looking for is "Irony"
Blair Mayne YNWA
07 Nov 2010 22:23:11
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Unsigned scaremongering at 07 Nov 2010 22:07:40:
"We offered £16.6m (20m euro) and 55k a week in wages. He now takes home £40k (after tax) every week with his new Santos contract, we would have to offer him 80k a week just to equal that amount. This is why i believe the deal is dead, we cannot afford the wages as he would want an increase to join us, we will also not go higher than the 20m euro offer. Because if we did then we would have done it last summer."
As the Editor explained, there were two offers made for the player. Additionally, Santos cannot afford to sustain payments to the player based on how they have funded the new contract. They expected to receive considerable third-party sponsorship, in the same way as they did last year for Robinho. This has not completely materialized for a number of reasons, including the recession, but particularly the recent behaviour of the player himself. I would still prefer Ganso as physically he will be more suited to playing in England. I am soon to make my way downtown to go and catch the LA Galaxy game. No doubt it will be on somewhere so I will give you a wave.
Sharkey.
07 Nov 2010 22:22:04
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"He stayed for the time being santos can't afford to keep him, he wants to go to chelsea and chelsea will sign him"
Santos will not accept anything lower than 30m for him, yes he wants to go to Chelsea (Premiership) as for Santos not being able to afford his wages? FALSE, their sponsors pay towards his wages and will do so for his whole contract. I still believe City will pinch him.
Do i want to sign Neymar (YES) of course i do but i am convinced we won't and i am not the only Chelsea fan who believes this. I will sign my name.
1905-CFC
07 Nov 2010 22:08:48
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He stayed for the time being santos can't afford to keep him, he wants to go to chelsea and chelsea will sign him
07 Nov 2010 22:07:40
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"Chelsea did also have an 23.1 mil bid rejected for neymar, we all look at things in different ways mate, i understand where you're come from but as we saw from the match today wen lampard and essien don't play there is no player that can make something happen against the big teams chelsea need an impact player, i.e neymar ganso, i still think we will sign neymar in the summer but he will be the only player we possibly buy.i expect ferreira and hilario to leave in the summer also"
Santos said just a month ago that they turned down Chelsea's 20m euro advances in the summer, if Chelsea did make a second bid then surely they would have mentioned it? Sorry bud but i believe it was just the one bid, or if it was more than one bid then the highest bid was 20m euros, Santos would have mentioned it else, they were bigging themselves up by saying that they resisted a 20m euro offer, that they did not need the money and they have tied down the youngster to a new contract, if it was more they would have said my friend.
We offered £16.6m (20m euro) and 55k a week in wages. He now takes home £40k (after tax) every week with his new Santos contract, we would have to offer him 80k a week just to equal that amount. This is why i believe the deal is dead, we cannot afford the wages as he would want an increase to join us, we will also not go higher than the 20m euro offer. Because if we did then we would have done it last summer.
07 Nov 2010 22:00:48
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"Chelsea did also have an 23.1 mil bid rejected for neymar, we all look at things in different ways mate, i understand where you're come from but as we saw from the match today wen lampard and essien don't play there is no player that can make something happen against the big teams chelsea need an impact player, i.e neymar ganso, i still think we will sign neymar in the summer but he will be the only player we possibly buy.i expect ferreira and hilario to leave in the summer also"
Santos said just a month ago that they turned down Chelsea's 20m euro advances in the summer, if Chelsea did make a second bid then surely they would have mentioned it? Sorry bud but i believe it was just the one bid, or if it was more than one bid then the highest bid was 20m euros, Santos would have mentioned it else, they were bigging themselves up by saying that they resisted a 20m euro offer, that they did not need the money and they have tied down the youngster to a new contract, if it was more they would have said my friend.
{Editor's Note: There were two firm bids made for Neymar by Chelsea.}
07 Nov 2010 21:56:59
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El hamoudi is a flop any can score in the erderviese as alfonso alves can prove i highly dount chelsea wud move for him
07 Nov 2010 21:52:10
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Neymar and his representatives still held talks after the summer mate, dont rule out a mov u scaremonger i bet u aint even a chelsea fan
07 Nov 2010 21:51:39
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Unsigned at 07 Nov 2010 21:02:11
"In fairness mate Sharkey knows jack about Chelsea's finances, he knows about finances and he is an intelligent guy but when it comes to Chelsea he is just as blind as the rest of you, he thinks with his heart and not his brain when our great club is in question."
Seems a little bod, but I'll play along.
"Back in July he said he will stick his neck out and say Chelsea will sign two £20m players and a big marquee signing which i can only imagine he meant upwards of £30m, we actually bought Ramires (£16m) and Benayoun (5.5m) and a couple kids."
I don't recall exactly what I said but it would not have been constrained by money – and your assumption about the £30M is incorrect. Ramires was signed which accounts for one of the players and the club came very close to signing Neymar. What killed the Neymar deal was Santos getting greedy.
"So i think we can agree he was way off the mark…. "
I would be grateful if you could provide a link to exactly what I said that was way off the mark.
"I'm sorry people do not like to hear it but the strings have now been tightened…."
It is not so much they object to hearing about it. What I imagine is that they don't necessarily need to hear it over and over again. You never sign your posts so it would be simple to disappear should you be proven wrong.
"we have an 80k a week wage cap…."
I would be grateful for some further details on this please.
"Roman and Bruce was moaning the other day about other teams being able to pay large wages, why are they worried about this?"
I am surprised to hear this – was anything else shared with you?
"Its simple its because we will not be able to compete with the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man United, Arsenal, Inter, AC Milan, Juventus & Bayern for players in the future. ….I'm no scaremonger…"
I would say the opposite, you seem to put a great deal of effort in to depressing the hell out of the Chelsea fans.
"…. but i am certain of one thing, we will not sign Neymar."
Are you absolutely certain that there were no meetings with his representatives after the season began?
"We will never spend big on anyone ever again unless we can make huge profits as a club, but that will not happen anytime soon."
Not a scaremonger then?
"Editor am i wrong for wanting Chelsea to win trophies the proud way?"
I completely agree it is the right and responsible thing to do of course.
Sharkey.
07 Nov 2010 21:47:50
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"So you are telling me chelsea will never sign a big player again a.k.a neymar scweinsteiger kaka ganso torres robery ?"
'NO' we will not sign any of these players, especially whilst in their prime, for a start we cannot afford none of these players wages, we could afford Neymar's if he is willing to not take a pay rise when signing for Chelsea, which is very unlikely as if he is getting 80k a week at Santos he is going to want more at Chelsea and we have a 80K a week wage cap now.
Ganso we could afford, wage wise i mean, but his fee we could not, he would cost around 30m, Neymar 30m, Kaka 40m, Torres 40m+, Ribery 30m and Scweinsteiger on a free would want around 130k a week, that my friend is 50k a week over our wage cap.
I am a realist, however i would not rule out Alan Dzageov, Carroll, El Hamdaoui, Srna?
07 Nov 2010 21:17:53
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Chelsea did also have an 23.1 mil bid rejected for neymar, we all look at things in different ways mate, i understand where you're come from but as we saw from the match today wen lampard and essien don't play there is no player that can make something happen against the big teams chelsea need an impact player, i.e neymar ganso, i still think we will sign neymar in the summer but he will be the only player we possibly buy.i expect ferreira and hilario to leave in the summer also,
07 Nov 2010 21:11:45
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So you are telling me chelsea will never sign a big player again a.k.a neymar scweinsteiger kaka ganso torres robery ?
07 Nov 2010 21:02:11
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"This is for sharkey. . do you think chelsea will sign neymar yes or no ?"
In fairness mate Sharkey knows jack about Chelsea's finances, he knows about finances and he is an intelligent guy but when it comes to Chelsea he is just as blind as the rest of you, he thinks with his heart and not his brain when our great club is in question. Back in July he said he will stick his neck out and say Chelsea will sign two £20m players and a big marquee signing which i can only imagine he meant upwards of £30m, we actually bought Ramires (£16m) and Benayoun (5.5m) and a couple kids.
So i think we can agree he was way off the mark, i actually agree with everything the original editor said back in July, he said Roman has tightened the purse strings, which Ron Gourlay & Bruce Buck have since clarified.
Personally i am glad we are now a self sufficient club, i am thankful for everything Roman has done for us but its time we were not reliant on his money, i hate what City are doing now but that was us seven years ago, its time we lived within our means. I want to win trophies without the help of Roman's dosh.
I'm sorry people do not like to hear it but the strings have now been tightened, we have an 80k a week wage cap, Roman and Bruce was moaning the other day about other teams being able to pay large wages, why are they worried about this? Its simple its because we will not be able to compete with the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man United, Arsenal, Inter, AC Milan, Juventus & Bayern for players in the future.
I'm no scaremonger, i am just realistic about our future, we will be okay, we have good youth and the players we have can last a couple more years together but i am certain of one thing, we will not sign Neymar. We will never spend big on anyone ever again unless we can make huge profits as a club, but that will not happen anytime soon.
Editor am i wrong for wanting Chelsea to win trophies the proud way? The way Liverpool, Arsenal & Manure have in the past? {ed's note - that is the way I think it should be done too, it is much more satisfying to earn a trophy that way.}
07 Nov 2010 19:48:21
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This is for sharkey. . do you think chelsea will sign neymar yes or no ?
07 Nov 2010 19:48:00
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This just in 100% fact! Just spoke to carlo ancelotti and he said he wished he had fernando torres in his squad this is true ed please post
Y.A.G.N.H
07 Nov 2010 18:16:25
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Hey Ed any truth in Chelsea being interested in bringing Barcelona holding midfielder Sergio Busquets at the end of the season.
{Editor's note - No, I do not think there is}
07 Nov 2010 18:04:12
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Hey Ed read that Alan Dzageov has an agreement that when turns 21 he has to join Chelsea. Any truth in that?
{Editor's note - There is probably some truth in it. I think he will end up a Chelsea one day}
07 Nov 2010 15:29:25
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Unsigned wrote at 07 Nov 2010 11:38:07:
"Trust me mate when i say the Neymar deal is dead, it has been dead ever since the 16.6m offer was boldly rejected, after a failed attempt to tap him up the deal was completely buried…."
Whether or not there is any further contact regarding Neymar, I can assure the author that there was no "tapping up" of the player. Meetings that I am aware of were held initially in Sao Paolo with the player's representatives and then in the United States (Washington DC and New York City) before further meetings involving the club (Santos) and the player's father. Your accusation of "tapping up" is seemingly based on inaccurate journalism.
"If you look at what we spent in the summer it was a net spend of 'EXACTLY' £20m. So by this reckoning i believe we have a maximum of £20m to spend this year too."
Your supposition is, quite frankly, nonsense as the Ed has alluded to. I am not sure why you wish to do all of this scaremongering.
Sharkey.
07 Nov 2010 14:22:36
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Andy Caroll to Chelsea in the summer for 15m pounds. He will act as an replacement for Drogba in the future. Smarter buy than signing lukaku who may not qualify for homegrown quota. What's your thoughts Ed?
{Editor's Note: Carroll will need to get over his off field issues before any major club would consider him. I think Lukaku would be a much better option, but there will be a battle for his signature - predominantly with Ajax.}
07 Nov 2010 12:23:29
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Why do you all act like you know what Chelsea are going to be doing. And if chelsea want to really wanted tp sign they could pay 30 million with 20 million or a sum upfront and the rest through clauses like league appearences and goal or possible a percentage of the sell on fee if he was ever sold
07 Nov 2010 11:38:07
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Chelsea will sign neymar in the summer, whether he comes that year or the year after is in question as he wants to play in the copa libatadores, i think chelsea have come too far to ley neymar slip out of the grasp, i think he will be the only big signing in the next 2-3 years
~Trust me mate when i say the Neymar deal is dead, it has been dead ever since the 16.6m offer was boldly rejected, after a failed attempt to tap him up the deal was completely buried. What is this rubbish about we have come too far to let him slip?
Making a bid for him then trying to tap him up is not "Coming too far". I said on here a couple days ago that we will now turn our attentions to Andy Carrol and i expect a 15-16m bid to be made for him in the summer, which funny enough one paper has printed a similar story today.
Neymar would cost us 30m and between 80-100k in wages each week, we cannot afford that guys, its time to wise up. If you look at what we spent in the summer it was a net spend of 'EXACTLY' £20m. So by this reckoning i believe we have a maximum of £20m to spend this year too. I expect Carroll to be signed plus someone for the academy. Ferreira & Hilario will leave. If you look at our summer dealings:
In -
Ramires 16m
Benayoun 5.5m
Kalas 5.2m
Delac 2m
Out -
Carvalho 6.7m (Real Madrid)
Deco 2m (Fluminese)
Total net spend £20m
I don't think its a coincidence, what do you think Ed? {ed's note - I do, I don't think the net spend has any relevance whatsoever because you would have paid out an amount of each transfer fee received to the player leaving. So the net will not be anything like 20m in actuality.}
06 Nov 2010 23:41:02
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After ruling out a move Torres, Carlo Anchelotti has now ruled out a move for AC Milan hitman Alexandre Pato.