Chelsea Banter Archive March 08 2013

08 Mar 2013 21:34:31
wheres all this pellegrini talk come from?

08 Mar 2013 18:33:15
Ed - Do you think Chelsea are in Decline {Ed018's Note - they have struggled this season but i feel like what happens this summer will certainly shape the next few seasons. we all know the needs of the team so its pointless to list them out. i think with Oscar and Hazard getting a year under their belt will be a good thing and next season i'd expect even more from them since they will be important parts to the team. lets just hope for a good summer and i think next season will be a good one}

Totally agree ed

They've both now got a feel for the premier league and with a couple of good signings and the loanees back to add depth and give them midweek rests which will help them for next season

WelshBlueBen

Yes the whole loan business is a shambles. I hope it gets sorted next season. Proitos

When looking at the likes of Hazard & Oscar people only see their transfer fees these are two very young men who are both now living in a new country having to adjust not just a new language, a new club, a new culture and a different style of football
The great Liverpool team of the past allowed a player a year after transfer to intergrate into their new club.
As for loaning players out I can fully understand the younger ones gaining experience but the one I have struggled with has been Essien
As Ed 18 says we all see what is needed and no doubt huge lessons have been learnt re squad balance etc but for me the most improtant new recruits should be in the PR department and the director of football role for in truth that is where Gus Hiddink is for me a natural fit.

09 Mar 2013 08:11:35
Ed18 good to hear your comments and agree this year has been disappointing but we have to accept that Cfc are a team and squad which is going through a huge change process
We have to be patient we probably will not be in a position to challenge for the premier league for at least another year my question is do the board realise how important this summer is? {Ed018's Note - I'm sure they do and they will do what they can to bring in the players we need}

08 Mar 2013 16:31:14
Lets just hope manchester united are still hurt to much by tues defeat, to play well on sunday, but I fear not, the first massive lift for them, will be when the fat spanish waiter arrives on the touch line, they are going to give him more abuse then we do, so his post match interveiw will be, well all sections of the home support should get behind there own team, not single me out for abuse, its utds fault for having a manger who has not got an interim title, you heard it first here, this is going to be our welcome to Sunday bloody Sunday. Pimlico Blue

08 Mar 2013 13:26:14
I Think we have a arrogant self righteous group of players, I think players like Terry and Lampard are bigger than any manager we have had since Mourinho (-Hiddink) and we will probably have a Manager Merry go round till either we get a Top Manager who Lamps and Terry can't bully or they leave.
With it looking likely Lamps will be leaving this summer regardless of sentiment and form, as I am a huge fan of Lampard and I really am, I believe the time is right for him to leave, but saying that I hope he can break the goal scoring record before he leaves to firm up his legacy.
I Think this Summer is huge for Chelsea, We need a Manager who is able to command Resect from the players, the fans, and the board. which I believe there is only a few possible to do such things.
We need to strength the team though most positions, but the biggest overhaul we need is attitude, and we need to build a spine of the team who will work 110% game in game out and lead by example.
Please your thoughts are welcomed

One Bomb Tom

08 Mar 2013 14:34:50
there are only few top managers left.
most of them have been sacked by us. and some won't come to us.
cant believe. why did we sacked anchelotti?

We had one. AVB and board didn't back him

08 Mar 2013 14:39:58
100% agreed.
most fans here like the players of chelsea.
only few like the club. and that's the sole reason of our failure.
a player should not be bigger than the club at any point. and when it happens. you are actually out of control.
Lampard and terry are legends of chelsea FC. but not bigger than chelsea FC.

At UTD as soon as a players gets bigger than club. There gone

08 Mar 2013 10:09:03
from the moment I saw the team sheet. I was clear.
rafa has been told he needs to beat UTD. rest players. and all out atatck on sunday.
he also knows. he can turn the tie at bridge againts steau.

can expect a complete pwer packed stars lined up against UTD.

But beating them at Old trafford isa tough job.
our defence needs to be excellent.

can see ramirez and lampard starting in midfield. with luiz and terry in defence.

its going to be usual. lineup. finger crossed whose going to lead our line.
torres or BA?

we need to beat them. simple as that.

we can beat stuaeu at home.

I think its time to change formation. but I agree its obvious they were thinking of the fa cup tie. BA has to start I swear when torres plays everyone else looks down. BLUEBOY1

08 Mar 2013 12:39:43
the fans who disagreed am sure. doesn't want us lifting FA cup or beating UTD.

Right now our strongest lineups all feature Luiz in mid, he and Ramires or him alongside Oscar with Hazard and Moses wide would give us the best balance imo. Lamps is not currently in form.

09 Mar 2013 07:12:31
if lamps does not get start. some so called fans will start moaning. and writing new banners.

08 Mar 2013 07:23:18
Look at what benitez did to liverpool
Look at what benitez did to inter
Look who's next. roman act now before its too late!

08 Mar 2013 12:41:57
look at what chelsea did
to anchelotti
avb
avam grant
rdm

what was wrong with all those people?

carlo anchelotti is regarded as one of the best manager in world football.

inspite of lifting the diouble, he was sacked?

AVB is a future alex fergusson or Mourinho.
young manager with enthusiasm. and energy and hunger to success.

did anyone here raised their voice

Mate stick to stuff you know, because with your recent posts the backroom staff and management don't fall into those categories. Anchellotti wasn't sacked for one.

08 Mar 2013 14:37:33
To Melbourne CFC.
My idea or knowledge on the board or management would be less than usrs.

Pls explain me whose resposnible for these poeple sack?
y are we keepuing torres with us?

after winning double EPL and FA Cup. are there any team in the world who has sacked a manager?

pls explain.

Firstly I have no idea why we are persisting with Torres mate, he is awful. The club made attempts to get in another forward last jan, the summer and the last window. All attempts to sign Cavani and Falcao were met with a 'no' or 'not for sale currently'. So we brought Ba in.

Avram wasn't sacked, he like Benetiz was an 'interim' manager. Carlo also wasn't sacked. We were made aware (by Ed002) around Xmas time that he would no longer be at the club come summer. I can't give you the details of his departure other than he wasn't sacked. I don't know the particulars.

AVB and RDM were sacked. Every bloody Chelsea fan I know wanted AVB gone. He wasn't performing and lost the confidence of the players. I backed him up until around the Napoli first leg, but it was obvious if he stayed, we would be knocked out of CL and wouldn't obtain a top 4 finish. RDM was never seen as the long term solution by the board and was moved on. Once again, almost every Chelsea poster on here was calling for his head. In Hindsight we all wish it didn't happen. Some wished it as soon as FSW was appointed.

I can't think of a single manager that has been sacked after getting the domestic double. I didn't mean to have a dig mate, but it's the misinformation such as Carlo being sacked, from uninformed fans that taint our image. Another example is what most people on here post about Emenalo. They haven't a clue but still post rubbish about him.

Only ones who shouldn't hacve gone was jose & carlo.

08 Mar 2013 22:16:40
carlo anchelotti was sacked for not lifting the CL.
he remained unemployed for a log time until he took ever PSG.
he is regarded as a great manager.
AVB needed time. young manager,, with a vision.
you must accept some results will be against you.

and what's this player confidence.
who the hell are players to decide the fate of chelsea.

if we start to change the system and manager according to players. then we are rubbish.

I am 100% confident. AVB was sacked due to dropping of lampard cole and terry.

It's actually like talking to a brick wall. You can keep harping on about AVB given time, while I enjoy the fact his sacking got us the CL.

09 Mar 2013 07:14:13
to melbourne CFC.

i am sure u heard the name dider drogbe?
he won the CL. not RDM.

Chelsea won the CL numb nuts.

08 Mar 2013 04:43:26
If chelsea do a number on united. I will support benitez. agree if you like what i'm sayin

also that performance in romania was appauling
so pissed to see us play that way. none from our team played well. pathetic. its like nobody turned for a match

derek

08 Mar 2013 12:42:33
or. u will not support benitez. ?
great.

08 Mar 2013 00:40:56
Even if the season turns out to be a successful one I hope that the board don't try and hide away from the fact that the team is nowhere near as strong as it should be if we want to be challenging for the title. WE NEED TO INVEST BIG THIS SUMMER, and not just on players with 'potential' but with ready made top quality players with big game experience and leadership skills. We need a few players in the same calibre as - De Rossi, Modric, Falcao, Bale, Cavani, Subotic, world class players that lead by example. These are the sort of players that we are lacking to have a title challenging squad. Remember the days of having Ballack, Essien, Deco and Lamps all fighting for the Midfield roles. that's what we need again! Also is anyone else getting fed up with M Emenalo as well? I'm starting to think that I could do a better job than him and questioning whether he knows anything about football or Chelsea!

Seriously mate it's time for the Emenalo digs to end. Tell me what he has done wrong. He has brought the best young talent in the world to the Bridge. Can you please tell me how our academy looked pre 2010? Name me four players that looked like they would be world beaters, because you could name as many as 10 now. That is all down to Emenalo's scouting and negotiating.

The squad is thin this year, yes, but it's not as if Emenalo had many choices. Without understanding FFP and the rules changes that were made pre the start of the 2013 campaign, you have no right to comment on him doing a bad job. Yes he sent out Essien and Raul after agreeing to loaning KDB and Josh. Who else that is out on loan would make a difference to our squad? The changes to the FFP went from not including players wages in the accounts that were signed pre 2010 (Ash, JT, Essien, Malouda, Frank, Cech etc, all high income earners) to having those wages not included only in the first accounting period of FFP (last year). The fact Malouda couldn't be moved left us up sh*t creek. Essien had been injury prone for years, so loaning him out and getting rid of his wages made perfect sense. We got a great offer for Raul, who was also on high wages, and couldn't refuse to move him on. After our investment in the summer, we just couldn't afford to purchase more £20m+ players.

Although FFP isn't as serious as some will have you believe, it is something we are striving to comply with. How on earth anyone can have a dig at Emenalo is beyond me, and shows complete ineptitude in understanding his role and what he has done for the club.

If anyone can honestly say the club are in a worse off position then we were before he took the gig, I will be astonished. He has made the Chelsea academy go from virtually unknown to one of the best in world football. People like to think that managers control clubs transfer completely, but it simply isn't the case anymore. Klopp and Dortmund are rare exceptions these days. Look at Barca, RM, City, Pool, AC Milan, Inter Milan etc. Because of Emenalo we are in a far better position then most if not all of these clubs.

If I've gotten anything wrong, please correct it Ed002 as its becoming ridiculous now.

1) Ray Wilkins sacked Emenalo replaces him - only previous coaching experience is in girls football, nothing wrong with that but hardly qualified to be Chelsea assistant. Leads to a huge dip in form.

2) Signs players that are not title winning quality and let's go of experienced players that know how to win games in the prem.

3)recommends Rafa Benitez to RA as a good choice to replace RDM - that decision alone shows that he doesn't know anything about Chelsea or football.

4) Neil Bath is credited with improving the academy in my opinion.

{Ed002's Note - Aside from much of this being nonsense, would you be unhappy with Emenalo as manager next season? Or would you give him a chance?}

Your a scary ED, I hope your not hinting at something there!

Blue John

I think Emanalo has to an extent done a good job as director of football, but I just feel that he has too much influence at the club now when it comes to managerial recruitment. There seems to be a trend of him clashing with managers, and whether that pressure comes from above him and is then subsequently passed on is unclear. In terms of player recruitment, he has done well in identifying young talent, but I think the first team squad is thin and short of versatility. What we now desperately need is a manager who can nurture and develop the likes of Hazard, Oscar, Lukaku, KDB, Piazon, Chalobah and Ake. The academy is turning out great youngsters, but at Chelsea none of them over the last few years seem to be making the step up to the first team, and this needs to change (Hopefully more will follow in Ake’s footsteps). The club has a policy of loaning out youngsters when they reach a certain level, but even after successful loan spells, most still are falling short, Bertrand aside. Personally, I don’t feel that any manager will be given a serious chance while he is in a position where he holds so much influence, and I feel this will be a major sticking point in whether or not we can get Jose back as there is no way he would be prepared to work under the current conditions.

08 Mar 2013 00:05:13
Is there any interest in either Soldado or Rudnevs?