Chelsea Banter Archive July 08 2016

08 Jul 2016 20:32:01
The information supplied by Ed002 is invaluable. Usually we are given snippets of possible transfers very early on and before anyone other sites and sooner rather later other sites would report something Ed002 has said ages ago. I suspect the transfer in relation to Koulibaly will follow the same trend.

I have been a user of this site for many many many years, I usually follow the site on a daily basis without logging in. However, I thought I'd say say "thanks" to all the Ed's for their fantastic input. I look forward to more important news regarding transfers in the near future. Top job guys.

08 Jul 2016 16:11:47
Hate seeing these reports about us willing to spend all this money on these unproven players I mean 50 million on Morata? And 40 million on Gomes? It really saddens me I hope we don't spend like 130 million on unproven players why not just activate Griezmann's release clause if it is 80 million at least then you've got a world class proven goalscorer. And I'd pay an extra ten million on top of Kante's release clause just so we could sign him. I love Costa but if it meant selling him to get Griezmann I would honestly do it because If we're not being biast Griezmann is world class whereas Costa is a very good player but he falls short of world class for me.

As for CB I'd love Bonucci but City bidding apparently 43 million for him is a joke. Although he is world class even at 29 he's worth it. Gomes and Morata are no go's for me at the prices rumored.

08 Jul 2016 13:29:35
Ed, how is it that Man City and Man United both have hundreds of millions to spend, yet Chelsea don't? Is it because of the new stadium plans that are holding us back on signing these players? People claiming that because we are not in Champions League next year we can't attract the star players. I just think that's a load of rubbish as United aren't in it neither yet they're on the verge of signing Pogba (if reports are correct) . We seem to be linked with a host of top players but they never seem to complete the deals (if we are in for them at all! ) .

Is it a lack of ambition from the club?
Is it because we've wasted big bucks on players before and they haven't produced? Shevchenko, Torres.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we should be buying superstar after superstar but take Bonucci for example. I know you said he doesn't want to move and neither does Juventus but money talks and I'm sure if City or Us offered enough they'd accept. But it seems like City going all out for him and it feels like we've just accepted that it's a no. (Hope that makes sense?!? )

Look forward to your input.

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about.}

08 Jul 2016 13:54:46
Ok, I'll try and simplify it.

1. Why are we seemingly linked to the big players and yet we never sign them?
2. Is it because the money is going towards a new stadium?
3. Is it a lack of ambition from the club?
4. Man Utd and Man City both seem to have a LOT more money to spend then us on transfers, why/ how is that?
5. Is it because we have changed out transfer policy and now only looking to become like arsenal and sign young players with a view to selling them in the mid-long term for a huge profit?

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You seem to be just making this up.}

08 Jul 2016 14:08:32
I think it's fair to say that we are linked to a lot of players that we're not actually interested in (or simply do not need) .

I imagine fans of all clubs feel the same. Let's be honest if we bought everyone we are linked to at the price they appear to be, we'd have a massive squad of expensive reserves.

Regardless, we always spend (relatively) big. And will probably do so again this year.

08 Jul 2016 14:31:45
Ok some examples.

Linked with Pogba for nearly 2 years. Haven't managed to sign him.

Same with Griezmann.

Higuain is another. Even though I doubt the link between him and us is not always there.

These are just some examples.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea made a very significant offer for Pogba last summer and was told he wasn't for sale. I have explained about Griezmann.}

08 Jul 2016 14:38:19
I think the most frustrating part is that us as fans and the pundits on tv can all see that Chelsea need players in a number of positions, I personal thought we've been shocking since January of the title winning season, and add to that that our rivals are spending a lot of money on top players, look at Bayern Munich they walked the league win the cup got to champ lge semi and before the euros start they announce hummles and Sanches, loads of ambition big statement of intent! , then we finish 8 th been playing poor for a season and half and we sign a in proven Belgium sub who can't get a game because of the biggest over rated donkey I've seen lukaku, the Belgium boy may turn out a good buy 1 day but west ham and crystal place wanted him, are we really now fishing in the same pond as palace and West Ham? ,

08 Jul 2016 14:55:17
Exactly that. Bayern walk the league but still improve with top class players year after year. I think you can agree that Bataschui was never Chelsea's first choice striker. So why can we not get our first choice players? I totally get that we won't pay over he odds but unfortunately that's the sign of the times. When Troy Deeney is apparently worth £30m you know the world has gone crazy.

Ok, fair enough about Griezmann. But think we all know that Pogba is off this summer. As you said in the past, but why can't or won't we match what other clubs are offering? Have we not got that sort of money to spend out on one player anymore?

{Ed002's Note - Batshuayi was of a great deal of interest to Chelsea and there were plenty of discussions between the two ladies representing the clubs. It is all simply bollocks that you are writing.}

08 Jul 2016 15:10:45
Huh? How is it bollocks as you nicely put it? Bayern have signed two quality players in Hummels and Sanches. City are willing to spend big bucks to improve their already impressive squad, United looking to spend massively inc an eye watering £100m Paul Pogba, so hardly bollocks is it? I was just asking simply why we are no longer willing to sanction big money for big players.

If you don't know, then could just say.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has signed and expensive centre forward and are near to another transfer. And there will be more to come. The transfer window has only been open for week and you are writing all of this absolute nonsense.}

08 Jul 2016 15:25:43
I think maybe what he's getting as is that although we are linked with big money moves still every window seemingly, the latest big money players have moved elsewhere, for Example Suarez, Di Maria, Sterling (not saying I'd have necessarily wanted all of these guys at Chelsea but they are just some examples of players moving for 50m+recently), it seems that when other clubs want a high valued player they make it happen, whilst we make as you put it "very significant" offers for players and still don't get them to join us, and then this season many of those players we had press speculation with last year seem to be heavily linked elsewhere, such as Stones, Pogba etc. Are Chelsea simply not as attractive an option as others?

Just out of curiosity, Ed, who was the last player we signed who other top sides (e. g. Bayern, Barca, City, Real, PSG) were pursuing also? As.

{Ed002's Note - So you think Chelsea should only sign players that these sides are interested in.}

08 Jul 2016 15:30:28
As a fan I totally understand what your saying and I also share the same views, but these on views coming from us fans which do not see how hard the club works behind the scenes. Listening to the eds comments we get to se a small insight into what the club is doing and how complicated it is to sign a new player. Over the years Roman has invested a lot of money in our club and has turned our youth system into one of the best, if not the best in the world. I think he thinks it's time to see some return on his investment in terms of promoting the younger players. We all want the best players but the club cannot be held to ransom and like Leicester showed last season, it's about having a team of players pulling in the same direction and working for each other. I'm sure we will do fine in terms of transfers and the work ethic conte gets out of teams, I'm confident going into this new season.

08 Jul 2016 15:41:21
Man U are a very big club with a massive worldwide fanbase and consequently have more money for transfers. But they are paying over the odds for players.
Man city have done really well with their commercial income and with the investment from China, but they now have to be careful with ffp, again they may well be accused of paying over the odds for players,
I expect we do have money to spend, but the club will not pay more than what they consider a player to be worth. Those days have gone.

08 Jul 2016 15:59:06
Batshuayi is probably not the best example. he's been interesting loads of teams over the past couple of years - the fact that he wasn't a starter for Belgium is nothing to do with the quality of the player. Or if it is, by your reckoning, then players such as Draxler, Insigne, Götze, must be poor too?!

With regards to Sanches, the reported fee was unreal - I don't think many teams would have gone to that level of money for him.

I think a lot of frustration for fans (not me btw) comes due to the incessant speculation in the media. social media has only heightened the issue tbh.

Another thing that hasn't helped is that we are getting a Manager, knowing full well that his Summer was otherwise engaged at the Euros. not ideal. I dare say a number of targets are still at/ or have just left the tournament too, so not much movement was to be expected (IMO) .

Coming off the back of a poor season has naturally made everyone eager to see changes made to the squad (both in and out) however I hope that Conte is able to make the changes he wants and is supported in decisions he chooses to make - it promises to be an exciting time ahead, but only if everyone pulls in the right direction.

08 Jul 2016 16:10:34
Been open a week but Bayern have already signed 2 class players, United 3, City 3 so the window just opening doesn't mean much to be honest. I'm sure Conte knows what players he wants and wants gone. He wouldn't have come into his new job blind and would have already had meetings/ reports on players etc. A few years ago we got the deal done early, Fabregas/ Costa.

An expensive forward yes, over paid - yes probably. Unproven on many levels. Can't get into his national team starting 11. Paying for his potential. Will he reach the very top and justify the big price tag? Who knows.

Really don't think it's nonsense but is it now fair to say that we are no longer on the levels of the Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, United, City?

I do appreciate you replying. And your time by the way.

08 Jul 2016 16:12:53
I take it the other transfer were close to is Koulibaly Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

08 Jul 2016 16:17:40
There are fans that would rather Chelsea get value with quality.

Hummels, Zlatan, Gundogen. The list goes on. Are flawed to say the least.

Sod fighting it out with all comers that's not a great idea. We clearly have a scouting network that works. So have some faith.

Koulibaly is class, Kante was the best midfield in the prem last year. Both could well happen. Patience.

08 Jul 2016 16:10:34
Been open a week but Bayern have already signed 2 class players, United 3, City 3 so the window just opening doesn't mean much to be honest. I'm sure Conte knows what players he wants and wants gone. He wouldn't have come into his new job blind and would have already had meetings/ reports on players etc. A few years ago we got the deal done early, Fabregas/ Costa.

An expensive forward yes, over paid - yes probably. Unproven on many levels. Can't get into his national team starting 11. Paying for his potential. Will he reach the very top and justify the big price tag? Who knows.

Really don't think it's nonsense but is it now fair to say that we are no longer on the levels of the Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, United, City?

I do appreciate you replying. And your time by the way.

08 Jul 2016 16:12:53
I take it the other transfer were close to is Koulibaly Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

08 Jul 2016 16:17:40
There are fans that would rather Chelsea get value with quality.

Hummels, Zlatan, Gundogen. The list goes on. Are flawed to say the least.

Sod fighting it out with all comers that's not a great idea. We clearly have a scouting network that works. So have some faith.

Koulibaly is class, Kante was the best midfield in the prem last year. Both could well happen. Patience.

08 Jul 2016 16:21:25
Fair enough Steve, I get that. But how many TOP clubs were after Batshuayi? Juventus flirted with the idea but (according to media) was only after Morata went back to Madrid. The others were Palace, West Ham!

Those players had world class players in front of them. Lukaku is not world class. If he was then yea fair enough, but he isn't. And still he started.

Sanches is quality - he's out performed Ronaldo in this tournament. And can see why Bayern has paid big money for him.

Do agree about social media tho - gets everyone and everything into a frenzy.

{Ed002's Note - The discussions started with Juve months ago.}

08 Jul 2016 16:22:24
I have read this site for many a year 1st time posting many people on hear want youth to b giving a chance but are also upset at sanches signing for bayern am glad we didn't go out and buy him for the price he went for as it would mean less playing time for our youth so I for 1 am glad he went there as he's nt done much at euros in my opinion.

08 Jul 2016 16:27:33
Agree that Gundogen is a risk signing, but cannot agree with zlatan.

Master stroke but Jose. Get him for one year, he's a born leader, a great role model and can do a job. We lack leaders and should have tried our best to get him here.

I really do hope we get Kante, fantastic engine on the lad and a player our midfield definitely needs.

08 Jul 2016 16:46:53
I definitely wasn't saying we should only sign players other big clubs are interested in; I was just saying that top players usually are linked with us, plus the other clubs I mentioned and those players rarely seem to come to us, that was all.

08 Jul 2016 16:54:31
I really can't agree with you on Zlatan being referred to as a good leader. Countless times it comes out how he's awful to work with. I think Jose will do a good job of controlling him and him being there only 1 year will help but he certainly isn't a great player for team morale.

08 Jul 2016 17:21:15
Mid 30's is not a good time to take on Man Utd. Zlatan is a massive risk or an expensive impact sub despite his class.

08 Jul 2016 17:53:45
Cheers Ed.

Koulibaly looks class, think he will work well in either a back four or three as he's good on the ball and athletic. Everyone hopes for Kante too I just think we're missing that massive signing to get all the fans excited again which would be Griezmann.

08 Jul 2016 10:10:40
I want to ask the supporters and easy there opinion of our squad and the fit of our players with the same system that he employed with Italy and juve.
I am struggling to see Eden fitting in unless it's as a striker also the wing back situation is a mystery what's everyone's opinion.

08 Jul 2016 11:19:36
Hazard will have to play as a second striker, we need 1/ 2 centre backs, possibly 2 specialist wing backs, and if we are serious shouting wining leagues then we will need 1/ 2 centre mids, I can't see us going 3 5 2, because pedro and Willian won't be that good as wing backs, zouma will start the first 2 months of the season injured, so I seriously doubt 3 5 2 unless serious investment 5/ 6 players, I just can't see it, he will prob keep it safe and go 433/ 4231.

08 Jul 2016 15:36:48
Hazard is not a second striker. His finishing is probably the worst side to his game.

08 Jul 2016 16:17:10
This is my point unless we adopt 3 up top he is going to struggle content won't have luxury players.

08 Jul 2016 16:17:10
This is my point unless we adopt 3 up top he is going to struggle content won't have luxury players.