Chelsea Banter Archive November 04 2015

04 Nov 2015 22:33:15
Big result tonight! We didn't give up after there goal and got the result. Just what we needed! Fans vocal singing joses name was great to see! Bit of positivity from us all on this site is just what we need! Onwards and upwards COYB!

04 Nov 2015 21:41:14
Willian continues to be our outstanding player this season -- now adding goals to non-stop effort, brilliant.

04 Nov 2015 19:05:07
No hazard what's going off that's really going to put his confidence up #****sake#.

04 Nov 2015 19:30:37
he should be dropped what has he done recently to guarantee a starting place.

04 Nov 2015 19:37:05
At least Baba starts . hoping for a good performance . want him n dave as our full backs.

04 Nov 2015 13:46:08
So the latest reports suggest Jose knew that the team needed 3 or 4 quality signings in the summer to compete again, otherwise we would struggle. The boards attitude being that we won the league easily and should be good enough to go again. Would it be fair to suggest to the board that Jose knows more about his players, his team, and football in general, than the people on the board. As they have let the manager and the supporters down, how can they even consider sacking the man who was right all along,
We should all accept that mistakes have been made, and because of the disappointing summer, we are going to make a right "pigs ear" of this season. Please mr and Mrs board persons, please listen to Jose in future, because he clearly knows more about football than you obviously do. Might I suggest you try and sign the players he wants, and make every effort to do so, and not a player that is not Joses choice. You see the result of not listening or backing the manager with the pantomime of this season.
Of course I am sure ed02 will correct me if my observations are not correct,

04 Nov 2015 18:57:58
Sid,
I rate Mourinho as a manager, but he has always been lucky enough to manage teams with money (not sure about Porto), and he has always been able to buy any player he wants.
In the meantime, Wenger has had his hands tied due to the financial restraints of moving to The Emirates, but has kept us in top 4 and CL qualification every year, as well as 2 successive FA Cup victories.

Despite this, Mourinho has called Wenger a "Specialist in failure'.
If your post is correct and the Board have cut back his spending, thus putting him on a level playing field with Wenger in the transfer market, will the words "Specialist in failure" come back and haunt him?

04 Nov 2015 22:09:55
I think this was meant to be a joke but bore off mate. He did't have that much money to spend at Inter and hardly relied on money at all at Porto, although he did have an incredible squad to work with. Also at Chelsea since he returned he might have spent a lot but we have managed to breakeven near enough with sales, whilst every other manager (including the specialist in failure) has spent hundreds of millions as well. You can't use the stadium as an excuse for being crap anymore. Enjoy Europa League football (not that there is any point of you being in the CL anyways) . Maybe one day you'll make it past the Round of 16 and into the Quarter Finals. Doubt it though haha! London is blue and until you win something meaningful it shall stay that way.

04 Nov 2015 22:43:05
Jesus Saim, you are so bloody boring.

Oh sorry, I forgot you won tonight, so instead of slagging Mourinho off like you have been doing all season, you have your head firmly stuck up his ar5e.

Read the post properly Dick.
Was I slagging Mourinho off?

Try coming to the Arsenal page, at least we have proper discussions, you know, BANTER, if you look at top of page it gives you a clue because it says BANTER, and we welcome views of other supporters.

You really are a proper dick mate.

04 Nov 2015 22:45:57
And dick, look at Arsenal's history and look at Chelsea history.

You have been winning things for 10 years, we have been doing it for much much much longer dick.

Must be fools night out tonight.

04 Nov 2015 23:24:02
That why you on our page tonight dags? ;)

05 Nov 2015 00:23:28
Lol Fuser,

Not at all mate.
But your boy Saim is a dick lol.

05 Nov 2015 08:17:14
Seems I have touched a nerve mate, no need for that language. Yes, let's look at the history of the two clubs- one has a Champions League trophy, and one doesn't! And all you have to do is scroll down and see that in just about every post I've done this season has supported Jose and not once have I slagged him off. Jose Mourinho is the special one, Arsene Wenger is the 5-1.

05 Nov 2015 08:20:15
And also if you read my first post it was quite clearly this 'banter' that you speak of, you're the one that turned it into a slagging off match. Also read back my first post, all I said were straight up facts so you should probably calm down. I know it can't be easy seeing your team lose 5-1, especially when you're as deluded as most Gooners and think your team is world class lol.

{Ed001's Note - telling someone to 'bore off' is not banter, it is idiotic and you deserved to get some stick for being an arse.}

05 Nov 2015 08:49:18
You're feisty, Dags. I like it ;-)

05 Nov 2015 09:12:24
Come on mate, surely telling someone to bore off isn't half as bad as calling someone a dick 5 times. I was giving my opinion and I did't mean it in an offensive way. Much worse is said on this site so I don't see why I'm being singled out for something so silly.

{Ed001's Note - bore off is just annoying and pathetic, it was killing any banter, regardless of the rest of your post it was lost because of that. Just give your opinion, there is no need for the rest.}

05 Nov 2015 09:26:35
Fair enough, I'm sorry if I caused any offence. Please could you put a word in Dags ear about calling me a dick though, it's 6 times now in 4 comments and to be frank it's pretty irritating and childish.

05 Nov 2015 15:38:50
Ed,
It's OK mate, I did take offence by Saim telling me to 'bore off', but I was totally out of order for calling him a duck.
I have apologised to Saim.
Sorry.

04 Nov 2015 09:29:55
Sorry guys but I find it laughable that some of you are writing us off for top 4 already. We're only 11 points away from top 4, and no disrespect to Leicester but they won't be able to keep their form up. Arsenal, United, Liverpool, Spurs and maybe even City will have a bad run at some point this season in all likelihood. And you have to remember that we have some world class players who are yet to get going. For all we know a run of 10 wins in a row could be around the corner- these players and our manager (who is the best in the world), along with our fans' great support are certainly capable of it. So I say let's back the team, believe in them and we will get back to the Chelsea we've all learnt to love and enjoy. Some might say I'm being very optimistic but we all know what Chelsea as a club are capable of. We have spirit that I've never seen before, we usually find a way. I'll leave you with one thought- our Champions League run and win in 2012. If you're losing hope then watch a few videos of that. Hope this post makes a lot of you reconsider your pessimism. Cheers for reading.

04 Nov 2015 13:30:30
Completely agree Saim. We had a 10 point lead over City last year and the gap was closed to even within a month if I remember right.

04 Nov 2015 01:25:37
So I have commented on a few different things but I guess I tried to take a back seat on everything until I thought it through. The seems to be a lot of snap judgements about getting Mourinho out or blinding following him and neither of those options helps. So here are my thoughts.

I do believe Mourinho is one of the best, if not the best managers in the world. He has shown how he can adapt to different countries and leagues, different players and systems. He has done it over and over. I also don't believe there is anyone else out there who I would want more.

I do have a couple of problems though. Everything is not right. The way Costa and Hazard came back this season, the way Mourinho seems to have been taken in by his own ego a bit. What I mean by that is, whether he believes it or realises he is doing it, I get the sense that he believes he is bigger than the club; the way he is acting etc.

He has refused to take any cristism, he refuses to change the system. We have small quick talented creative players. They need to be allowed to express themselves. I read a post before about all the players we have sold in the last few seasons and how they are doing - do bruyne, mate, lukaku. They didn't fit into his system, he believes his system is best and in a way I agree. But I also believe that if you don't adapt, you get left behind. He is playing the same tactics he has used essential for the last 10 years and he refuses to adapt or change. This is where my problem lies. I honestly wish I could sit down with him and ask for straight answers. Why does he persist with ivanovic at rb and our best rb at lb, throwing off the balance of the team, why does he not allow our creative players to be more expressive. We have played boring football from last Xmas, and I know someone is going to say that no-one complained when we were winning the league but at that time boring football got us over the line so it was easier to stomach. Now we are playing dreadful boring football (what other team would shut up shop with over 80 mins to go against Liverpool at home. I'm not saying throw everything forward, just assert a bit of dominance. Show why we are champions. It was stupid to do that and we deserved to get beat. We can also moan about the ref but I wish more people would come out and accept that on that day, and too many days this season, our team was not good enough and our manager was not good Enough) .

So I rambled but I'll get to the point. I believe Mourinho could well get sacked. This is simply because he will not change the way he sets the team up to play, he will not adapt. He will not play to our strengths. His behaviour has gone too far and is damaging the football club. I want to get behind him but it's insane to watch him make the same choices, mistakes, and expect different outcomes. I really do hope he will change things and adapt because he is the best but I'm afraid he is stuck, whether it be his ego or pride, nothing will change and he will go.

Just my thoughts, don't be too harsh on me with what I have said. See who agrees and who doesn't. How do we get out of this mess. Hopefully it becomes clearer over the next week.

04 Nov 2015 01:55:09
And sorry about the spelling mistakes, was typing it on my fruit bat.

04 Nov 2015 02:38:15
I totally agree with most of what your saying I would just like to no who's the ones causing the problems behind the scenes and it's no coincidence everything started to go bad to worse with the Eva incident, weather the players thought he was wrong in the way he went off hazard seems to be the name that's getting thrown about as the one who playing up (rumours) yet he was the one she ran on for is he upset the way she was treated 'I don't know'. But again like you said I can't keep backing him as much as I love the bloke when he keeps playing ivanovic Cahill and terry together are best rb at lb. A interviewer said it correctly the other day it's ok Jose saying I know we will turn it around and am the right man and the players are really trying every day in games and training but nothing is changing getting worse if anything SO how long do you give someone to change things round? Roman is standing by him now because any other manager would of been gone. #thespecial1#.

04 Nov 2015 06:56:08
@Goergebest - either its language problem or otherwise, how can you say his the best manager and then say he has failed to adopt and plays defensive/boring football, I find it contradictory.

For me I have always said it Jose is not kind of manager to develop an appealing brand/football club. He is short term kind of manager. A manager with a future in mind does not buy 25+yrs most of the time. Also you need very good PR to build a brand. You may say am pestimistic but champions league next season is very much in doubt.

He has no record in developing kids that's why I find it funny when some of you talk about RCL and rest succeeding under Jose, though I think the 3 player we have in RLC, Kennedy and Traore are hugely talented and with right coaching and gudance could be world beaters (not under Jose) .

04 Nov 2015 09:58:30
Jose has played a variety of different formations of the years. Also I struggle with the idea that JM has played this exact same style of football for the last 10 years. We certainly weren't playing this way at the start of last season, we didn't play this way in his first spell here and he didn't play this way at Madrid as far as I'm aware. Also I doubt JM instructed the team to try and defend a 1-0 lead with 80 mins to go.

I believe that JM reverted to boring football after the spuds defeat last season, not because we lost but because players were already dropping off form/suspensions. The reason he has persisted with Azpi at LB was/is because he provided greater security which allowed Hazard more freedom. Luis last year and Rahman haven't yet showed they're defensively solid enough to start. Which leads to Ivanovic starting at RB despite his alarming drop off. Our defence needs some major work. Without Terry starting, there is a distinct lack of leadership but with him, unfortunately we're constantly caught out for pace and the gap between defence and attack is too large for our DM/CM's to cover.

We were also extremely poor before the Eva Carneiro incident, so whilst it might be having an effect, I doubt it's what has caused the current decline in form.

04 Nov 2015 12:29:56
@robben - not a language problem, I'm from ulster, I guess I was just throwing ideas out there. So many different things that I wanted to say and touch upon so I guess it got jumbled. When I say he has been the best manager in the last ten years I am talking purely about the results and trophies.

@fuser - He has changed his system but I guess by saying he has used similar tactics I mean he is a defence first coach. But I should have elaborated further.

I agree with what was said about youth.

And if anyone was wondering, I wasn't typing on my fruit bat. I typed phone and autocorrect killed me haha.

04 Nov 2015 15:48:39
I wish people would stop beating Jose with the Lukaku and De Bruyne stick. Neither player was sold because they didn't fit the system or because JM didn't like them. Both wanted to be automatic starters and neither were at that level when they left.