Chelsea Banter Archive July 04 2012

 

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04 Jul 2012 23:07:43
Hey posters just reading through some of the comments and people saying that vdw is no good just cause they saw him play in the euros, when the entire Dutch team were brutal, I've actually watched him play in the Dutch league and he played some great gsmes so don't be surprised if he joins

Curt

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As you said Curt he had some good games in the "dutch league" with no disrespect isn't the best of leagues. Perhaps "people" are right to judge him based on what they saw in the euros . Watching him made me ask myself what the difference between him and Bosingwa was (beside the mono-brow). Can't see him cutting it in the big games, and I would be more surprised than dissappointed if he does join.

ELI

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Remember Kezman scored 30+ goals a season in Holland

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One thing I will say is vdw faced a whose who of talent in the tournament. Ronaldo obviously beat him for one but wasn't really at fault for the other. He kept podzolski silent. And I don't think he played poorly against Denmark. With all that said he got zero help from robben and the defensive mids and defense around him were crap.

Tk

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Everybody has good games, I remember malouda and bosingwa have good seasons. I've seen wiel play a lot in holland he is deffo bosingwa mark 2 BLUEBOY1

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Rooney was shocking at the euros, so following that logic we are saying he is s**te?

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VdW isn't a bad plalyer in the Dutch League but the Prem would be a huge step up for him! I think his deffensive performances at the Euros would rightfully make any club look at other options!

I don't think RB is a position Chelsea can afford to take any potential risks at!

Having only seen him in a handful of French League matches as some Champions League matches I'm looking forward to watching more of Azpiliqueta at the Olympics!

Surewould

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04 Jul 2012 22:20:56
I think we (Chelsea) shd turn our attn to RVP, as he will come relatively cheap but proven in the EPL. Still baffles me that Torres has scored just seven league goals in a blue shirt, approximately one in ten games. Unless if, of course, we want to defend more and score less, which is not a willing formula...

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Come on its getting pretty old, we all know how bad Torres has been, but you think the best solution is turning to another striker who might have a more horrid spell? Give him at least till January and then judge him, with players like Marin,Hazard, Juan and hopefully Hulk behind him I'm sure he'll be scoring for fun. At the euros he looked sharp and hungry for goals , he got the service and he scored. We all know how we have lacked creativity and I'm sure most stikers would have struggled to score goals as well . He worked hard, set up a few goals and I'm sure when he gets the service he needs he would be hitting the back of the net week in ,week out. He's gonna come good for us, just keep praying and hoping mate.

ELI

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I am beginning to doubt how many people on here are actuall fans, people are moaning that RDM will be gone within six months slating players and a ball has yet to have been kicked. People have short memory's it was less than two months ago we were crowned champions of Europe. Start backing the team we have already made two good signing and I believe more will come it is an exciting time.

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04 Jul 2012 22:14:29
Whats the chances of getting the out of favour Micah Richards from Man City? Would be a great addition to our right back role and could possibly complete an all English back 4. Wonder if Robbie will be keeping close tabs on him during the Olympics?

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Kyle walker would be the better English option for me!

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Neither Richards or Walker are available! If you want an English option the Clyne is the best available this summer! Or just wait for a couple of years and watch Kane come through he youth system into first team recognition!

Surewould

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Just because they are not transfer listed does not mean they are not available, Richards isnt getting many games at City and it reflects on International call ups, he would be 1st choice at Chelsea.

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04 Jul 2012 22:11:03
Looks like Maicon is moving to Chelsea,Chelsea official page has posted a blog on Maicon..... {Ed021's Note -

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Are you also a Chelsea Editor ED021? {Ed021's Note - yes}

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Thats from another rumor page, dont rate Maicon all that much these days, was good about 3-4 years ago but not been too good for Inter and he turns 31 this year, need a young, strong player to come in, Lahm would be perfect but would never happen.

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You must be new to the site then ED021? {Ed021's Note - Been on here a couple of months, just don't post often}

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Have you heard anything on possible transfer ? {Ed021's Note - For Maicon?}

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Yes for Maicon and other potential transfers?

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Is Maicon being lined up untill we can get someone else in {Ed002's Note - There are two right backs leaving this summer, I can only conclude if their is interest that he would be one of two arriving.}

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So bosingwa and ferrar?

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04 Jul 2012 21:49:23
Could spurs also become interested in Hulk ED02? Will City also make a bid for him? If we do not sign Hulk who may an alternative be ?

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Who cares if there interested ,who wants europa league football ?
Spurs will not be signing our level of players no mata how much avb has got to spend
Carefree

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04 Jul 2012 21:26:38
well done curt ,now you have p***ed ed 002 off probably gives you the full set on here now,ed be the bigger lady and ignore the moronic views of one idiot...

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Whats happened? BLUEBOY1

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04 Jul 2012 18:58:40
Cech, Turnbull, Hilario

Cole, Bertrand, Terry, Luiz, Cahill, Ivanovic, Piszczek, Hutchinson, Chalobah

Obi, Lamps, Rami, Piazon, Romeu, Mata, Hazard, Marin, Essien, Benayoun/Malouda

Torres, Strurridge, Cavani

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We wont get cavani, they have already stated that he is not for sale and cavani himself has said he has no intentions of leaving naples. and why would you want him, we need to give torres, studge, and lukaku playing time.

cali

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Thats not true, Cavani said yesterday that he is going to have a talk with the Napoli President and talk about his future. Not happy with the sale of Levazzi and Napoli have not qualified for the Champions League. The talks between Cavani and Chelsea happened way before Levazzi got in talks with PSG, Napoli has shown a great deal of interest in Meireles and need a new midfielder.

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04 Jul 2012 17:22:02
Happy 4th of July Ed002 and Ed018 {Ed002's Note - Thank you.}

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04 Jul 2012 16:43:31
Alan Dzagoev has pleaded for Chelsea to make a bid for him, ruling out any move other than Chelsea as he is a keen admirer of the club and his idol Frank Lampard.

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04 Jul 2012 16:26:35
Edinson Cavani Career record: Danubio (2005/07) played 30 scored 12, Palermo (2007/10) Played 117 scored 37, Napoli (2010/12) Played 94 scored 66. Uruguay P40 S11

Hulk Career Record: Vitoria (2004/05) P1 S0, Kawasaki Frontale (loan 2005) P9 S1, Kawasaki Frontale (2006/08) P2 S0, Consadole Sapporo (loan 2006) P38 S25, Tokyo Verdy (loan 2007) P42 S37, Tokyo Verdy (2008) P13 S7, Porto (2008/12) P96 S52. Brazil P13 S3

Both aged 25, Cavani worth £40mil and Hulk £39mil plus shared ownership rights.

Which is the better all round player? Id take Cavani anyday over Hulk.

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Cant compare the 2 hulks a natural winger if your guna try comparing put there assist records up

curt

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Just checked out ESPN career stats and Cavani still beats Hulk in by book, Hulk maybe a winger but stats speak for themseleves. Cavani has a high work ethic, Hulk does not.

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Yeah whats assist rate? i bet hulk creates double of cavani, any way comparing a wide player to a forward is ridculous, cavani v falcao is how itis
BLUEBOY1

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Not that much difference, Hulks career record looks better on paper but dont take away the fact he played in the J League, Cavani has played most of his career in Serie A. Falcao will not join Chelsea and has already stated he will be at Atletico for the next few years. How is it ridiculous to compare the 2, both would be used as strikers at Chelsea to partner Torres, Cavani is the best option because of his pace and power, he also has defensive skills, Hulk tends to be lazy at coming back and helping out.

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Hulk will not be striker right wing torres will play up top. both play completely different positons, hulk will be back up. so its like comparing hazard & mikel

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04 Jul 2012 15:00:09
Lets sign luke Shaw and loan him back to S'oton for another season I've seen this Kid play he isn't going to be a defender one day he's going to be a LW/LM in a few years time just like Gareth Bale he's got some legs on him!Give it 5 more years and he won't be worth 4Mil. but 40mil.

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04 Jul 2012 14:54:58
Most likely Chelsea lineup for next season:


----------------Cech--------------
Maicon-----Terry-----Luiz-----Cole
--------Modric-------Ramires-------
Hulk-----------Mata---------Hazard
--------------Torres---------------Any thoughts?


Samir

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Apart from modric i cant see him joining and hes not needed

curt

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Not modric. Spurs won't sell to another English team and if they did be well over priced, plus he can't see him playing that deep,

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Swap modric and lampard and you've got yourself a team, i don't see why everyone wants modric to be honest, he doesn't score many goals, all he has is a good pass and work ethic. also i don't know if we will buy maicon it seems to good to be true.

trueblue012

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Good team, except for the Modric part. Okay I have come to realise something, that there are more Modric fans on here than on the spurs page . He is a good player I'm not disputing that, but we have Romeu, Lamps , Mikel, Essien and Meireles currently, assuming the later would move we still have four good cdm's. And only if your plan is bouncing Rami ( which no chelsea fan would agree with) I really don't see how Modric would fit in realistically. Just my opinion, we don't need him, at least not any more.

Oh and why Maicon?? Rather we kept Bosingwa. Azpilicueta or pisczek all the way (assuming Bran leaves).

ELI

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Swap ramires for lampard as we need someone who can tackle as well as attack alongside modric

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Spot on Samir. I want Modric aswell! Class player! Sell Mireles and buy Modric! Simples! DJ

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I agree with Curt.

If we play Modric with Ramires in the middle then we won't have our standard defensive midfielder that sits in front of the back 4 and breaks up the play.
John Obi Mikel was fantastic towards the end of last season and was a big part of our success.

Mikel has to play for me

Rich

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Unamed you serious ?? rami was one of our top players last year and u wana bench him ?

why dont you jus bench mata, terry and cole while your at it

curt

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Cheers DJ! As much as I like Lamps, Modric would be a better option as a deep lying playmaker. This team would RIP APART the Premier League!


Samir

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This is the exact same team I would choose. Truly amazing come on roman dig deep

FT9

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Swap ramires for lampard ur a joke.

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Mate, with all due respect to Lamps, he hasn't been a box to box midfielder since 2008. Ramires is a BEAST. Last season, he was practically Chelsea's engine.

I would happily swap Lampard for Ramires.


Samir

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Lampards had his days. to drop ramires for him is a joke. its not like lamps can pass the bal like pirlo or run like giggs. past it simple as look to the future. hes a legend but doesnt mean hes still good enough repacement needed BLUEBOY1

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Well said Blueboy! Keeping Lampard on the starting lineup is purely down to nastalgi


Samir

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I agree with what some said that we need a strictly defensive mid next to rami. If you don't do that you're going to cut Ramis game in half and he wont be nearly as useful. I think a signing isnt necessary but if we did we could do better than modric.

Tk

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Personally against lesser teams and at home we shouldnt play dfm look at pirlo & de rossi thats like a lampard & modric partnership

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04 Jul 2012 14:43:23
Team for the first game next season

**********Cech********

Maicon*Cahill*Terry*Cole

****Lampard**Mikel****

Ramires***Mata***Hazard

*********Torres********

I believe we will sign Hulk but its going to go down to the last few days of the transfer window seing that Porto are so Hard to do business with they will push their luck till the end.Also the fact that we are struggling to buy the 100% ownership of him.Thats why he isn't included in this line-up.

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Rami in for mikel or lamps then hulk on the wing if bout if not put marin on the wing

curt

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Curts right. Ramires as central player not a winger. He did a gd job on the wing but is better centrally

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04 Jul 2012 12:53:57
What do people think of gylfi for spurs. I don't think he is that amazing

Jm10

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I think it is a terrific signing from AVB. The fee is like 7m. His wages cannot be more than 80,000 due to spurs wage structure (I'd imagine it would be closer to 40,000), so I think its good business.

Melbourne CFC

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Fair enough but don't credit AVB. That signing was lined up a long time ago, without any input from Andre Villas Boas

Jm10

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Gylfi will only get better he had a great season last year

but jm10 is right he cant take credit from it

curt

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I think he's a good piece of buisness for them. You know what you're gonna get from him and he still has time to grow. That being said I don't think his ceiling is that high and I think he could progress to someone at Scott parker or Michael carricks level. For that price though not too bad.

Tk

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04 Jul 2012 09:35:37
Hi,
Can i be Ed666 and answer all the dumb questions and questions people have asked so many times it gets boring ?

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You just done it !!!

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04 Jul 2012 09:06:24
Chelsea Squad for next season...

Cech, Hilario, Turnbull

Azpiliqueta, Ivanovic, Hutchinson, Terry, Luiz, Cahill, Cole Bertrand

Obi Mikel, Essien, Romeu, Ramires, Lampard, McEachran

Mata, Hazard, Hulk, Marin, Paizon, Kakuta

Torres, Jovetic, Sturridge


Surewould

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Looks good

curt

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De bruyne(if he does not go out on loan) instead of Kakuta and a new central midfielder(modric,fellani,martinez etc)the rest is fine.
roan

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I struggle to see why we will need another centre mid. I expect is to play 4231, so that means most probably Ramires +1 (Lampard, Mikel, Essien, Romeu). Think that's enough cover. I think RB, Re, and maybe another striker and we are well set.

NP

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One of Mikel Essien and Romeu need to leave. The rest of I can't fault. Love the fact u have, Bertrand, kakuta, piazon, mceachran in ur team. BLUEBOY1

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I disagree blueboy unless you get a really good offer I think we should keep all 3 (assuming we get rid of Miereles. Romeu is pure class and has the ability to become busquets minus the theatrics. Essien provides you with a massive jeckee/hyde player where you may get nothing but you also could get a guy who could be the perfect partner to rami in the middle making it so it's worth it to keep him unless you get a substantial offer. And finally mikel had a very solid end to the year and if he continues that he could become a really good player. Let's not forget he's only 24 and doesn't get hurt too often. Those are three good squad players to go with rami lamps and josh.

Tk

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We MUST keep Essien, he's had a good summer break, if he gets back to 100% over the pre season, he would be would be in my team every week,

Kenny

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04 Jul 2012 00:31:42
Stories in the media saying that Maicons agent will be in London this week to discuss terms after a 6 million fee was agreed with Inter.
Any truth in this? (any of the eds)

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03 Jul 2012 23:23:42
Ed how come u never answer any questions about modric? Are we not actually interested in him?

I'm guessing u'll answer this by replying 'modric?'

Ads {Ed002's Note - "Guessing"?}

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LOL! Oh ED002, you're witty replies are class :).

ELI

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03 Jul 2012 23:10:01
Hey eds do any of you awesome dudes know of any interest in Stephan al shaawary from ac Milan thanks guys your the best ;) xx {Ed002's Note - Not from Chelsea.}

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Fifa?

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03 Jul 2012 23:50:26
Ganso or Lucas moura would be a great signing with a striker higuain cavani falcao with shurlle (spelling) and a steady right back

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I have my doubts on Ganso .Personally I do not think he will be a world class player.He has not exactly lit up the brazilian league and his playmaking skills need a lot of work.
On the other hand Moura will be worth the money spent as he has the potential to turn into a world beater.
The same goes for Neymar more or less like Moura.
But the one who is going to surpass them all is our Piazon.Along with having the skills of the above mention players he has a great vision ,which the others lack.
roan

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Moura is not leaving brazil

how many times

curt

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Roan - i'm not sure if you watch much brazilian football but i can tell you ganso will be amazing player, he has had a few injuries in the past couple of seasons that have set him back a bit but go back two years and in santos, people would tell you ganso was better than neymar.

trueblue012

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Do we really need either ? we have enough midfield plus lucas piazon!!!! BLUEBOY1

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From what ive seen of ganso I'm not overly impressed. I don't tend to put much stock into the Brazilian league matches as there is space for days in those games an the defending is crap. That being said I think he gets a lot of help from neymar with some of his accolades. In addition he is very injury prone and loves to shoot it (sturridge esque). He's gonna be a good player but Lucas and neymar far out class him.

Tk

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