Chelsea Banter Archive October 03 2015

03 Oct 2015 23:16:29
A bit shell shocked even if I like most others knew there were major problems that needed to be dealt with like Ivanovich loss of form, Fabregas lackof form most matches, not a convincing DM etc. But we have quality so why dips in form lack of backbone etc? Has JM lost key elements of the dressing room? Has his chopping and changing -- ie move from little to considerable rotation been the problem? Bit of both? He has not looked in control of himself or team. I don't want him to go, he has indeed been our best ever manager. But hard not to conclude that there is something in the dreaded Daily Mail and other reports of dissension in ranks. Will never not support the team, but doing so also means seeing faults and how they need to be solved and JM not able to do so at the moment. Can only hope this changes soon or Abramovich will move to bring in someone else like Klopp. Would give JM to end of season to recover situation if it was up to me though!

03 Oct 2015 23:02:19
Hey all!
Have not posted in ages but on here daily! I respect Jose a great deal but feel right now he is "THE BLIND ONE", he can't keep saying everyone must be accountable then turn around and keep playing Fabregas and Ivanovic. They have been and were awful again today! I fear his misplaced loyalties could be his undoing! Would love to see him play Baba, Loftus-cheek and Zouma and fully commit. Without these guys we are too slow and getting killed on counter. We have no width and paying price for our lack of pace. We desperately need a CB with Zouma with some experience and bit of pace. Maybe then we could sit matic back and go two strikers! This sticking to 4-2-3-1 is killing us, they have figured it all out and exploring our weaknesses. Sad when we can't even beat weaker teams at our own fortress anymore!! Legs hope boys figure it out, we got to at least.get in top 4!

03 Oct 2015 20:57:27
Ed 002 Do you think the club will stick with Jose given the terrible results and performances currently?
Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Of course.}

04 Oct 2015 04:00:51
Relief

03 Oct 2015 20:30:02
We love the expression "Jose Knows Best" but I wonder if he can justify why-:
Ivanovic is picked week in week out when the press, TV and supporters can see he is a massive liability this season.
Fabregas has been appalling all 2015 and as our playmaker he is dreadful for all to see.
Rahman we spend £20m+ on, he's quick, can be no worse than Ivanovic and his inclusion frees up Azi in our vulnerable position; therefore why is he not playing?

03 Oct 2015 20:22:24
The club has to change something. We cannot fire all players. The fact that Willian is our best player ATM says everything.

03 Oct 2015 21:23:16
Mate, you talk a lot of cabbage at the best of times but you are now getting worse

04 Oct 2015 13:20:00
Mate, it seems that RA has written off this season as he will stick with Mourinho. If this is what José knows best we are in very sad situation. Even with Pogba we would look the same. Problem is obviously much deeper. Having blind faith in any manager is at least naive. Chelsea has to change something, if Mourinho is up to it OK, if not bring someone who is up to it.

03 Oct 2015 19:52:23
I think I'm more disappointed in Jose's interview than our performance, believe it or not that has to be the most embarrassing thing I've witnessed, shame on him. I must admit I don't still want him to leave but his interview today was not just disheartening but also shows we as a club are really getting tainted. International break up think it's needed.

I'm going to go cry in my room.

03 Oct 2015 19:11:18
Absolute joke I'm seriously losing patience with the team and mourinho now, how has ivanovic and fabregas especially kept there place in this team is behind me mourinho I losing the plot never been in this position in his career and doesn't have a clue how to get out of it i'd say start playing rlc, kenedy and other youngsters until the senoir players sort themselves out I've been a fan since 97 and I think this is the worst I remember us I do love everything mourinho has done for us and still does still a top manager but won't be shocked if his time is up soon

03 Oct 2015 19:41:59
97, lucky you . I've been a fan since 1970, its like going back to the 80's. The big difference is we have class players on the pitch. How are we so crap over night, something is very badly wrong somewhere. If the players don't want to play as a team put players in there that will. We all bang on about how good our youth is, fine put them in . I'd rather loose with the youth giving everything than watch this car crash every week

03 Oct 2015 19:51:01
Totally agree
And I have also supported Chelsea since 1970

03 Oct 2015 20:57:15
I have been a fan since I was 5 ,also since 1970 would you believe?
I agree with the above fellow old timers.

03 Oct 2015 21:08:00
Nice to see some proper Chelsea lads on here who know the club. It's a shame a lot of the people who are on this page are under 21 and just want to sack and spend money all the time.

03 Oct 2015 21:32:42
The modern glory hunting fans who frequent this forum are sadly very representative of modern spoiled fans in general.
I was particularly sad to see Melbourne leave the forum again because of all the negativity the other day.

If you support a team , you do this through thick and thin, no matter what.Supporting Chelsea is is in my DNA and I will never turn my back on them or the most successful manager we have ever had.Champions last year how soon you all forget. OK we have had the worst start for 37 years but this is no time to sack the manager.

{Ed018's Note - I don't think the majority of the people who post here are gonna stop supporting the club but obviously when the results and performances are not going well its going to lead to some negativity. Me personally I for the life of me can't figure out how the same team that won the league last season has started like this. I'm starting to think it's just a fluke thing and in a few months we will all see the Chelsea we know and we will be further up the table pushing for the top 4. I think to do that though there needs to be some changes but the manager shouldn't be one of them}

03 Oct 2015 21:44:15
Agree Ed , we will bounce back.

03 Oct 2015 22:27:44
We need the players to get some passion back, please tell if your opinion differs, the only players who look like they care are terry, who is probably going through the worst patch of his career, but you can still see it hurts him, Willian through sheer effort alone shows he wants to play for the club , Dave is just phenomenal and one of my favourite Chelsea players ever plays for the club every second of every game and zouma who didn't play today. Nobody else really looks that bothered. Like I said if you feel I've missed someone out I apologise. Would anybody actually question mourinho for dropping fabregas? the way he is playing I certainly wouldn't care , matric and lofus cheek with Oscar or Willian behind the striker . Energy and pace from the midfield and play baba terry zouma Dave , with that pace at the back Terry's game would focus solely on reading the game which is what he does best.

05 Oct 2015 08:41:49
Good points Ed 018. Think that's how most of us feel.
An "old boy" myself, since 1967, but whilst a little impetuous and impatient sometimes a lot of the younger ones on here will, like us, become lifelong supporters of our great club.

03 Oct 2015 19:06:24
As long as Fabregas is still in that position we shall not stop to conceed goals. Matic and Ramirez or RLC for those two positions.

{Ed018's Note - but why would that cause us to let in goals. It didn't last season. I'm not defending Fabregas. I think he's been awful this season}

03 Oct 2015 19:12:09
Ed018: He has been poor all 2015 and add in Ivanovic and the team morale is plummeting.

{Ed018's Note - I know that. Those two along with pretty much everyone else has been awful this season my question is what has changed from last season}

03 Oct 2015 19:19:04
What did change? Are the players unhappy with the playstyle? That's my guess, last season they put up with it, but maybe this season they want to play good football, and I don't know, I've stayed up till 4 am watching this game and I'm not the happiest right now lol

{Ed018's Note - 4 am. Damn get some sleep. We have 2 weeks to figure this mess out}

03 Oct 2015 19:23:10
ED. The weakness in defence was hidden by our good play forward and now we are poor going forward everything in defence has gone wrong. Also note it's an ageing defence and Febragas legs are going he started too early at the top level he will not get any better. Play him where he is not running. But all is all am not Jose fan I think he does not develop reams beyond two teams and does not develop players. That's why he buys mostly form player above 25yrs.

03 Oct 2015 19:24:37
I think hazard carried the team at the end of last season. Our defense has aged overnight (terry and ivanovic) and hazard is off form. We have been average since Christmas and we did nothing in the transfer window.the clubs decisions in the market over the last couple of tears have been a disgrace. I can't be bothered to list the mistakes but we are a worse team now than when mourinho joined.

03 Oct 2015 18:56:12
Were terrible Terry Cahill ivanovic would struggle to get in any top 4 team now there all over the place fab is shocking hazard done nothing season over and I love Jose but am struggling to think he does no what he doing with the changes and subs he makes

03 Oct 2015 19:04:04
I feel sorry for Terry and Cahill. Cahill is being dragged over to cover Ivanovic and Terry is left in no man's land. The defence are under the cosh because the forwards are not functioning and pressing Southampton in their own half.

03 Oct 2015 18:41:04
This is turning into torture don't think I can watch much more. Surely were going to be behind soon.

03 Oct 2015 18:37:51
Total disarray! Roman start making phone calls. He is unable to see what is in front of himl

03 Oct 2015 18:16:46
We haven't done badly but, saying that they have just equalized and one of the people I think have been under performing is to blame. Fabregas just watched Davies run away from him. Once again ivanovic is poor.
Funny they are the two players he won't drop. Can someone explain to me why.

03 Oct 2015 18:25:11
Certainly not having a nightmare but what is generally a solid defensive looks still vulnerable on the right and I would have him off. What is worrying is our forward line, there's no real impact. Matic for Ramires is a must and Fabregas, he has to replace him with Loftus-Cheek who will bring energy. It is not going to happen but I would swap Azi over and bring on Rahman. We got a bargain with Begovic.

03 Oct 2015 10:21:17
I would be of the opinion that if we lose against Southampton, Mourinho will lose his job.

03 Oct 2015 10:26:05
Rubbish!

03 Oct 2015 10:38:03
I don't know lads,but personally I think he's lost the plot. Ivanovic has a shocking start of the season and you make him captain? Drop Terry in favour of Cahill? Lack of respect towards club doctors? Constant critism of refs, other managers etc. He is behaving exactly how he shouldn't. Frankly I think Roman is regretting his decision to back Jose again and don't think he or the club have any intention of keeping him onboard long-term.

03 Oct 2015 11:10:15
Been observing for a while and haven't posted cause in all honesty though we all should be disappointed I can safely say some on here are getting to emotional. While Jose has gotten somethings wrong we have to blame the players and the board for not strengthening in certain areas now we are paying the price. That said it would be very stupid to let Jose Ho at this stage of the season, we have to back him now and show our guile at least till January.

Keep the faith.

03 Oct 2015 11:59:33
ELI: A nice simplistic, honest comment. I would imagine we could highlight two or three players to go long before you would consider JM going. Hopefully, this is where he shows his 'special one' qualities. One more poor result for Man City or Arsenal and Pellegrini and Wenger will be the newspaper focal point.

03 Oct 2015 12:07:46
Im sorry Eli but I have to disagree. Its unacceptable from a sporting sense how our club has been behaving in the last 24 months tbh. Making headlines for all the wrong reasons. I believe Jose combatant style rubs off on the club and with the FAs obvious vendetta against him it would make way more sense for us going foward getting rid of him. I PERSONALLY would call for his head. Jose has plenty of options in the squad to sustain successs in my opinion. Just for giggles would everyone agree our first 11 should be made up of Courtois baba terry zouma azpi midfield 3 of matic oscar/loftus and fabregas hazard costa pedro/willian with all other prospects and squad members given genuie chances and experience? That folks just isn't happening and Joses to blame. Klopp for me tbh

03 Oct 2015 15:55:03
Klopp lol? The one who doesn't have a plan B?

Maybe soon you'll get your wish, we will lose Mourinho and we will spend another 7 years chasing him trying to get another prem win and some much needed stability.

03 Oct 2015 16:36:43
dannyRo what an utter s*** are you talking?

We are behaving badly in 24 months? We wrapped up the league from day one last seasons and till the loss to totenham we were unstopable.

Can you please stop moaning we are just 8 points adrift from leaders and still have very good chance of winning it. I know we play poorly but wasnt it the same when we won champions league? We finished 5th.

Just see how this season rolls out we still have plenty time to fix it

03 Oct 2015 17:19:10
Yes I agree with the first post. Defeat will bring changes.