Chelsea Banter Archive October 31 2015

 

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31 Oct 2015 21:58:38
One thing I will say though, please give Traore some more minutes. The guy is class. His touch is so so good already and he's got a wand of a left foot. Whether at right wing or striker or even behind the striker, he will find positions to score. I really wish that RLC and him got a run of games. Starters aren't performing, why not try them out.
That said, Mourinho's got my full backing!

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31 Oct 2015 23:31:58
Totally agree Jackson them two are the ones who need a consistent run of games. At the end of the day, If there's a group of players who don't want to play under mourinho don't even put them in the squad let's just keep all negativity away from the starting XI. I'd go with this side against Stoke in a 4-3-3 formation. Begovic; Azpilicueta, Zouma, Cahill, Baba; Loftus-Cheek, Matic, Willian; Traore, Costa, Kenedy/Pedro.

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01 Nov 2015 08:09:42
Agreed, I really liked the look of Tralee, and Kenedy looked good yesterday. Surprised RLC doesn't even get in the side. Willian, Zouma and Azpi have been the only consistent players all season and if I were Jose I'll give RLC, Traire and Kenedy a starting opportunity maybe two out of the three and the other in the bench.

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31 Oct 2015 21:28:01
Look I think we are all agreed that its been poor to date. But having watched today, it is I think quite apparent that several senior players' confidence is through the floor. Things cannot get any worse so let's say stuff it and I quite fancy the following line up.

Begovic
Aina, zouma, Cahill, baba
Azp, Ramires, RLC,
Willian, hazard, kenedy

I just think apart from Eden all the others still retain some confidence, and if he has no defensive responsibility he may do better. Also no costa because if nobody has noticed he never wins a header. So we might as well keep it on the floor.
I doubt many will agree but could it be any worse.

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31 Oct 2015 23:32:34
Azpilicueta is our best defender and you want him in midfield?

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31 Oct 2015 20:54:13
If Jose was sacked, who could possibly replace him?
I personally hope he stays as he's had a lot going on in his private life over the last few months and has, from what I have read tried to put Chelsea football club first. He clearly loves the club and the fans wanting him out have probably only been supporting the club since Roman took over. What the start of the season has told us is that we are not as good as we thought we where. We had a poor transfer window and a lot of teams spent their money well. We have an ageing centre half who has been a great player but cannot play a high line which is half of our problem. Costa doesn't really have anyone challenging his position and at times his temper affects the team in a negative manner and is probably looking at another ban. I don't know what's wrong with hazard but he doesn't look like he's worth £10m never mind £80m what some people are quoting. The team and play just look flat and I can only see us getting out of this really poor form is scraping through until January and fix what went wrong in the summer transfer window.

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31 Oct 2015 21:11:35
Who do you propose we sign in January? No one will want to join this slump.

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31 Oct 2015 23:35:10
You would be surprised if the right money was involved, anyone would sign.

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31 Oct 2015 18:30:02
Really don't know what to say anymore. One thing I can say is we shouldn't be asking whether we're interested in Gomes, Pogba or Griezmann because they won't be interested if we don't finish in the top four. The only players in today's starting XI who give everything are Azpi, Ramires and Willian the rest should just be dropped. I'd literally sell Fabregas and Hazard if they don't want to perform.

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31 Oct 2015 19:36:52
I think it will be a struggle for you guys! Not because of the points you have to make up but because you are a shambles at the moment and I can't see it changing any time soon. If you guys play like you did last season you will make the points up easy I have no doubt about that.

The problem is that it isn't bad luck teams are taking you to bits. I feel for you I really do.

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31 Oct 2015 20:28:44
Thanks man.

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31 Oct 2015 21:19:35
Of course you do growbum. ha ha. You lot love it because we are struggling but we will be back, and stronger for it. You now have a window of opportunity while we are struggling to win the league. Mess up to man city or utd at your peril as we shall be back believe me. Enjoy our demise as you do celebrating finishing 4th every season. In fairness to our other rivals it really is mainly arsenal fans who come on here giving it large. The likes of Liverpool and to a lesser extent, Utd have a bit more class. Enjoy your weekend.

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31 Oct 2015 21:55:04
Come on, JKB. The Arsenal fans on these pages are some of the best banter guys. Their page is so lively and they have a good vibe going on. I don't believe he came on here to gloat. So feel free to share your opinion, growbun. I find it interesting to read views of other teams' fans.
It is what it is, things are dreadful for us right now. And even though I believe we'll bounce back I don't really know when that'll be. All we can ever do is support the team. Hope we can get a win against Kiev, because CL would then look a little better.

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31 Oct 2015 22:36:43
No Jackson you are right. Yes I'm glad we have one less team to worry about but I just can't believe what's going on as can you guys! As an arsenal fan I can safely say I'm a bit jealous of the Chelsea over the years, here we are a carefully run team and worked hard to get in touch with United then bam along came abramhovich and ever since we have not won or challenged for the EPL. I just can't get my head round it! The team that you play won the premier leauge at a canter. Everyone knew before Christmas the leauge was yours. But now people think Jose is going to get the nudge and I find it unbelievable considering that I know you can still make the top 4. But guys what's going on.

Peace honestly ✌🏻️.

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31 Oct 2015 22:37:30
And guys trust me as an Arsenal fan I know how it feels.

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01 Nov 2015 08:22:30
Hopefully you will not mind a peaceful Liverpool fan throw his opinion in too? Especially as, even more than the Arsenal fans and your current plight, we've been through a couple of decades of pain (and are not out yet I hasten to add)!

In truth it should not all be considered dark. The one thing you have that we don't have is a very decent set of players from back to front. Yes we were much the better side yesterday but that was about desire and tactic/approach rather than underlying quality.

It was proven last year and to use the old cliche strong players do not become bad overnight. So there is something else wrong at the moment that all sorts of folk will want to guess what. Is it divide in the dressing room, is it the manager losing the players, is it complacency in certain players - who knows but it certainly is not lack of quality - I would even now be more than happy to swap 2/3rds our team for yours tbh - even now 😊!

But what does not help is the way Jose reacted yesterday trying to divert a poor display away from team and management and claim some form of conspiracy!

Now I am a massive fan of your manager. I say it when it is due and he and Fergie (ooh that hurt) have been the best over the recent past. And, like Fergie, I had always seen his little arrogant wise cracks to be entertaining and a means to divert, play mind games, etc with opposition - often working. But now I think he is starting to believe it himself so it is starting to backfire and actually work on him, and his team - I mean their reaction to the Lucas foul (and yes I believe it should probably have been a 2nd yellow) was quite appalling and probably hurt their own performances thereafter. Compare that to the Skrtel reaction for the costa kick (also should probably have seen red) .

No, I really hope this mammoth of a man actually realises the errors of his recent ways and starts to believe he can turn you guys around. I believe he can and, let's face it, I'd rather you up there (hopefully with us and Arsenal) than the 2 Manchester outfits.

Good luck in the CL to both you guys and Arsenal.

Cheers!

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01 Nov 2015 08:38:57
It's just hard to fathom that there are so many players completely out of form at the same time. I've never seen that happen before. Sure part of the blame lies with Mourinho, but I sure as hell wouldn't dismiss the players from any blame. Guys like Hazard, Fabregas, Matic and Costa are supposed to be among the best in their respective positions, but their play has been woeful.

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01 Nov 2015 08:56:51
A very good post there Freddie Jose has gone too far into his own psyche and the players look fed up with him! He needs to drop the conspiracy BS and focus on getting the best out of a really good squad of players.

And Freddie I think you have found your man in klipperty klopp . Top manager and entertaining he was the man I wanted to replace wenger.

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31 Oct 2015 15:51:28
I think the reason for this huge downfall is that we have become way too predictable on our approach to the game. Teams have understood how to play against the US and especially against Hazard, Fabregas and Matic due to which Costa gets isolated, not that I'm defending him. Bottom line is we have to spend huge in winter but not sure about who's available that time or we can recall a few of players on loan who have been playing well such as Moses. Even van ginkel looked decent atleast he looks an upgrade on Mikel.

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31 Oct 2015 16:24:24
Best post I have read so far. I said the same back in September. Teams have learned how to play again us and hence nothing will change until we either refresh or change our style of play.

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31 Oct 2015 17:05:13
It hurts me to say this but I think the reason starts at John Terry. When JT plays we can not play a high line, high pressing game - this leaves Costa isolated up front and a big gap between our defensive midfielders and the front players. Unfortunately, when JT doesn't play, there is no one strong enough to organise the defence - Cahill is quiet, Zouma young and only just in the team - no one opens their mouths or has a go if a mistake is made. It is a problem - we desperately need an experienced CB if not in January certainly in the summer.

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31 Oct 2015 18:42:57
After loss to Tottenham 5-3, Jose started playing this way to see out the season and win the league. This season he's carried on this slow build up, hope for counter attack football. Since way back to Spurs loss, Costa has struggled to score. That on its own tells the whole story. And a good reason to send him packing.

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31 Oct 2015 14:46:54
We're playing a cb in the rb position, a rb in the lb position, and have a natural lb sitting on the bench with us having payed 17million for him. That aside we score early, and what did we do, we sit back and let Liverpool pile on the pressure. I love Jose and I do feel the summer was a shambles and we'll probably have to spend in January to get out of this but with the squad we have their is no excuse for what he's doing, I think it's awful to see brilliant attacking players spending 70% of the game defending. I do hope he stays, I find it hard to believe we'll make to the champions league now but before Jose thinks of criticising the ref he should check himself and realise that he isn't winning anyone over.

Ps. I think I'll take an out of former matic over Mikel, no offense ti him but even before we went a goal down I thought he was just a bit too sluggish. Easy to say buy keep the faith lads.

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31 Oct 2015 18:41:08
Disagree on Mikel. He wasn't bad today at all IMO. Our whole midfield fell apart when he came off for Fabregas, though I understand the substitution is Fab is more likely to contribute to goals.
I'm a bit lost for words right now regarding Chelsea and the results etc. But as Eli said, try to keep your spirits up, guys.

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31 Oct 2015 14:39:25
I don't know what everyone's problem is we are 5 points clear of the bottom 3 we're be safe.

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31 Oct 2015 15:10:11
Love the positivity 😛.

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31 Oct 2015 14:36:11
Didn't play well enough, not helped by woeful refereeing.

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31 Oct 2015 14:38:38
Just stop blaming the ref for God's sake and let's take responsibility for our crap play.

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31 Oct 2015 14:40:14
Just leave it at we didn't play good enough forget refs.

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31 Oct 2015 14:50:21
Guys please don't say leave refering al9ne asit was more than a disgrace, I am usually quite about referees but this was really bad. Of he is not banned from next game I will generally stop watching EPL. He at least got 3 big decisions wrong!

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{Ed018's Note - ref was not good but neither was Chelsea. This was not a match to blame the ref}

31 Oct 2015 14:59:04
Ed018, do you not think that if the ref had made the right calls, we still would have lost? I know it's hard to judge these things but honestly if we'd gone in the first half winning 1-0 or even if Lucas is sent off before their second goal, I could have seen us scraping a win or a draw.

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{Ed018's Note - maybe we would've drawed. We could be beat Stoke a man up so I can't really say we would've won today}

31 Oct 2015 15:05:31
Definitely shouldn't blame the ref, but again perhaps that little bit of luck we needed not falling for us? Anyways we need to look at ourselves and no one else.

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31 Oct 2015 15:13:49
CFC-LFC, shots 8-16, on target 2-7, possession 39%-61%.
Statistics speak for themselves.
Truly it's hard to believe that Mourinho is able to change our situation.
Also I don't think that RA is not going to sack Mourinho, if Mourinho really loves Chelsea he will resign.

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31 Oct 2015 20:05:49
The stats were pretty much the same when we beat Liverpool during their title challenging campaign.

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31 Oct 2015 21:31:40
The ref was bad and it now looks as though the costa incident will be looked at again, so he's looking at another ban. But what happens to referees' mistakes like not sending Lucas off or booking emre can in first half, which would of also gave him a second yellow in the second half.

Marc clattenburg will again lace his boots up next week to ref a top premiership match while Diego Costa will be serving a ban. Clattenburg and other referees have missed game changing decisions for Chelsea this season and have probably cost us about 8 points yet they are not held accountable for their mistakes.

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31 Oct 2015 14:33:23
This makes me sad. Really really sad. Rough season no doubt, but I still love my Blues!

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31 Oct 2015 14:32:07
Told u champions league next season is on the line. Jose will not change this to qualify for champions league.

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31 Oct 2015 14:30:41
Everything is wrong! Passing, timing, defending, pace, attitude and spirit. New manager and new transfers in January are the only ways to move forward.

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31 Oct 2015 14:33:32
I agree with that, we need change or we would be playing thursday night football at best next season. It's a shame how bad this guys have become really.

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31 Oct 2015 14:37:18
Thursday night football of we are lucky!

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31 Oct 2015 14:38:34
We don't need new players at all. It's Jose, no matter how much I appreciate what he's done for our club. He has lost the team. Negative football does not suit over half our squad. So why play it? Why because Jose can't play another wAy.

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31 Oct 2015 14:46:25
Exactly right, Blueboy - we won the league last year because of the attacking way we played up until the defeat at Spurs and then Mourinho reverted to type. Any manager that plays Ramires and Mikel with Fabregas on the bench AT HOME! deserves to lose. It is time to say ta-ta to Jose and thanks for all you've done.

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31 Oct 2015 15:18:58
Our attacking is extremely poor this season, we don't create chances. Willian and Ramires are our best players this season and that fact says everything.

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31 Oct 2015 16:05:21
Antibot have to agree with you, last seasons everyome was crying how terrible ramires and william are. And this. seasons they seem. to be like superstars among others.

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31 Oct 2015 14:29:41
Outplayed, out-fought, out-thought - out Mourinho.

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31 Oct 2015 14:34:58
Things are not going to change if we continue this way, looks like the only way out at the moment is sacking the coach.

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31 Oct 2015 15:20:54
You cannot sack players, only thing that club can do is to change the manager.

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31 Oct 2015 18:45:22
And who would all of you like to see brought in then? I'm genuinely curious.

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31 Oct 2015 19:21:14
Hiddink then Guardiola or Simeone next summer.

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31 Oct 2015 19:46:29
I'm with Mrs Costa on that. I love Jose just like any other chelsea fan out there but sometimes you just have to take a step back and just let go.

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31 Oct 2015 20:22:56
All that I have said is what clubs usually do. I would like Kloop but he is new Liverpool manager. ATM there are no top quality managers without job except CA but he doesn't seem to be interested for the job.

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31 Oct 2015 14:22:15
Wouldn't it be refreshing if we lose to just say we wasn't good enough I'm board of blaming the refs linesman ect, what ever the score I think Liverpool have been better than us.

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31 Oct 2015 14:27:24
That's what I have beer trying to say for weeks now!

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31 Oct 2015 14:33:58
Honestly before their second goal, Liverpool were not better than us. Yes they dominated possession but rarely created anything that worried us. Have we played well? No, far from it. Has the referee decisions had a massive impact on the game? Yes.

At least 2 Liverpool players deserved yellow cards in the first half and didn't get them. The ref then end ups adding around 4 mins of extra time in the first half in the end instead of the 2. And finally, he fails to send Lucas off. If the ref had made the correct calls, we wouldn't be losing right now.

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31 Oct 2015 14:39:59
Just leave the ref alone.

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31 Oct 2015 14:41:05
Leave it out, Fuser - Liverpool had 82% possession at 30 minutes! We were out-played - embarrassing.

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31 Oct 2015 14:44:30
So what? They had that in their title challenging season against us and they lost that match.

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31 Oct 2015 15:46:57
Just accept we were out-played - if we keep making excuses, the ref, the linesman, Costa forgot his lucky frog, the coach driver got lost on the way, the videos went missing etc etc etc, nothing will ever change.

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31 Oct 2015 19:57:47
I do accept we were out played. I said we were poor. But just because we were poor, it doesn't diminish the effect the woeful refereeing had on the game. I don't blame the ref for us playing rubbish football.
Honestly I'm fed up of slamming poor referee decisions. But they happen every single game. And if you don't think that it doesn't have an effect on the players then you're on another planet. What player is going to want to go out there knowing the game will be decided by the referee. Or knowing if they're fouled the opposition won't be carded.

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{Ed001's Note - so would that not be the same for Costa? In any other game his kick on Skrtel would have been an immediate red, yet it didn't stop the Liverpool players or affect their attitude. So why is it different for Chelsea players?}

31 Oct 2015 20:48:39
That depends on whether Clattenberg saw the kick or not. If he saw it and didn't give anything then I agree that he'd have been sent off in any other game. If Clattenberg didn't see, it then in any other game it's likely the ref wouldn't have seen it either and therefore he still wouldn't have been sent off.
You're talking about a solitary decision that went in our favour, which one could argue wasn't even a decision if the ref didn't see it. The reason it's different is because there have been 3/4 major decisions pretty much every single game that have been poor. They're not even 50-50 decisions but pretty much cut and dry situations where the decision has gone against us.
Lucas had committed 7 fouls by the time he fouled Ramires and yet he wasn't sent off but Mikel gets a yellow card for the first foul he makes and arguably all of Lucas' fouls were worse than his.
The point I was trying to make is that in general even the small or insignificant decisions are seemingly going against us and when that continues for several games, it does start to effect players.

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31 Oct 2015 23:26:27
Matey you realise added time is for both teams yeah? It's not just an extra 25 seconds (! ) for Liverpool to score while Chelsea go to the changing room. Suck it up you can't keep blaming others. Watch Australia's captains interview after losing to New Zealand in the biggest game of his career and compare it to your child of a managers. You're fast becoming a laughing stock and because of this attitude people are enjoying. Good day sir.

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01 Nov 2015 09:26:37
Fuser, compare skrtel's reaction to costa's kick and Chelsea players reaction to the Lucas incident. Skrtel just went on with his game and when it came to the Lucas incident all Chelsea players go mental thus losing plot. Something I always outside your control and as a player you have to accept it. This whole thing of refs are against your team is an intoxication by Jose to the players and unfortunately it is eating up the fans too. If your players can start getting on with their jobs maybe you will see some improvements.

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31 Oct 2015 14:08:11
Can't believe Owen on about costa kicking out against skrtel. No mention of skrtel leading with his elbow into costas face. Apparently here was nothing in that. Who says they don't look at everything Diego does.

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31 Oct 2015 13:46:12
Unbelievable, it's bad enough listening to owen (ex liverpool) dribbling on about liverpool being better team.
Flatten burg not booking can or Lucas, may I say if we had continually fouled like they had we would be down to ten men.
Then the idiot bearing in mind there were two minutes injury time, and nothing happened to go past two minutes. How can they score 2 minutes 26 seconds. That's typical of decisions and officials against us.
Even Howard Webb says time was up.
What chance have we got.
By the way mikel very poor, lost the ball twice doing his usual trying to turn with his back to them gave them two chances and hazard is having a mare his confidence is shot.
Stand out Williams been outstanding and apart from goal they haven't really threatened.

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31 Oct 2015 13:52:07
Pundits extremely annoying too. 'Liverpool deserved that goal' They didn't do anything in the first half! Useless possession but that's it.

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31 Oct 2015 13:59:35
But again, that is discisions you are saying would affect the game and change it to our favour. If we are half the team we are meant to be we should be able to affect the game on our own. That's my problem with this.

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31 Oct 2015 14:12:20
Its good to see Owen (Liverpool) ad Webb (United) putting aside their differences to get our players retrospective bans!

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31 Oct 2015 14:16:25
It was 26 seconds. Minimum of 2 minutes. Yes it should have been called but we should have dealt with that. Let's take responsibility instead of blaming.

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31 Oct 2015 13:45:19
In all seriousness, the coutinho goal before half time doesn't surprise me. Ever since we scored we had treated the game like we were playing a cup final with 5 minutes to go. Problem is it was after 7 minutes and we are at home! We haven't been assertive, we haven't tried to dominate. We sat Back; Liverpool have been the better team and deserve their goal. To concede is exactly what we deserve. Let's see if we can show a little heart or fight because it has been massively lacking this season!

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31 Oct 2015 13:41:54
I love mourinho, but hate the way we play (not results ) I would love a attack minded manager, I would be happy with a transitional season as long as we wernt playing boring defensive counter attack style, I use to think mourinho was obsessed with winning, but not no more I've heard him say he's happy with draws, so I think he was more obsessed with not losing, hence boring defensive counter attack, the players we have - hazard oscar, Willian, fabreagas, Pedro ect we could play Barcelona / bayern / arsenal style not Bolton in there prime!

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31 Oct 2015 13:40:02
Bizarre first half- Mikel, Ramires and Willian excellent, Oscar and Hazard shocking. We look good attacking but are struggling to create chances due to the high press. Liverpool having a lot of possession but very little clear cut chances but Coutinho scored a superb goal, fair play. Would be tempted to bring off Oscar for Kenedy, am very impressed by him so far- massive 2nd half coming up!
Owen's commentary as usual is turgid.

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31 Oct 2015 13:51:01
Oscar was once a favourite of mine but the Premiership seems to be too robust for him now.

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31 Oct 2015 11:59:59
Great lineup tonight! Absolutely brilliant to see Mikel for me!

Yes I might be a big fan. :)

Go Chels! KTBFFH.

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31 Oct 2015 12:48:32
Mikel!?

You must be joking.

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{Ed018's Note - I'm not the biggest Mikel fan but Matic and Fabregas don't need to be any where near the starting lineup right now}

31 Oct 2015 13:01:50
Play zouma there if not matic. Mikel has been awful so far and I have had enough of him in a Chelsea shirt.

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31 Oct 2015 13:15:01
I must be Joking because I'm supporting a current Chelsea player?

You're the one that must be joking.

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31 Oct 2015 13:47:59
I know mikel has had a couple of decent games but has been poor today and we need to get players forward quicker back up costa etc.

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31 Oct 2015 10:16:06
This site has been unusually quiet even when we have the Match of the Day to play with Liverpool. Pls do you think Mourinho would go if we lose to L'pool today?

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31 Oct 2015 10:43:24
Yes. I hope so.

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31 Oct 2015 10:59:30
You hope our best manager ever loses his job, what benefit would it bring?

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31 Oct 2015 12:01:08
Best ever doesn't make him the best for us now. Not saying he should go though.

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31 Oct 2015 12:21:23
A tragedy if they did sack him when half a dozen other major clubs including a former one would take him. I think we might start finding out what the problems have been. Already they are highlighting how he has been annoyed with the transfer dealings so watch for a dismissal coming there and the issues he has had with certain players.

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31 Oct 2015 12:50:16
Chelsea I think will tie if not 2-1 but again we need Courtois back to see who we really are! Everyone needs to leave Mou alone and if we bring in another coach he will be the same unless it's Pep or Carlos so let Coutois join us again to see the real Chelsea! In so sick of everyone bashing us especially when our number 1 is out and if you all think our Goalie isn't a big deal then you all don't know football! Yes we haven't been playing great but our current goal keeper hasn't done what Cech did for us so please be patient!

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31 Oct 2015 09:03:26
What are everyone's thoughts on today's game? I'm personally expecting us to bounce back with a win. Liverpool haven't exactly impressed this season under Rodgers or Klopp and I think our players have looked better recently and that they're working hard to turn it around.
I'd like to see a defence on Azpilicueta, Cahill, Zouma and Baba. Zoom cannot play at RB for me. It would be nice to see Kennedy and Traore get some time today as they looked impressive against Stoke. RLC was impressive vs Villa and Liverpool last season so I don't see why he shouldn't start today (although he obviously won't) . If we lose today though it won't look very good for Jose, although I know I will still be by his side (as most of you will it seems)! KTBFFH.

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