Chelsea Banter Archive July 31 2017

 

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31 Jul 2017 22:34:39
Sky sports saying our 3 man shortlist for cm with matic gone is drinkwater Barkley and ox, were not even trying no more, where's the ambition,

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31 Jul 2017 23:48:05
It not always about going out and spending 70-80 million on marquee signings. A decent manager, like Conte, knows the quality/ attributes he wants in a player. He can get the best out of good players. Obviously not ever player he would want is available for a number of reasons. Maybe have a little faith in the squad of players we have instead of panicking we haven't spent 70 million in over a week or so.

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01 Aug 2017 01:03:33
i agree patience u swear we were in a relegation battle we sign a decent back up keeper to replace begovic signed a good defender in rudiger and good midfielder in bakayoko and a top notch striker in morata no fear of us. with a bit of luck qel get sanches done now on loan and maybe even sandro who knows.

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01 Aug 2017 02:12:40
Can't agree mote JFCF all you have to remember that pur best signigs have came relatevely cheap compared to the other teams spendings. We are the most succesfull English Club of last 10 years this means club is doing something good and all we fans have to do is stay behind the team and relax!

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01 Aug 2017 07:04:48
Bakayoko was the replacement for Matic. Remember him?

If we get another cm it will be a squad player or someone versatile.

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01 Aug 2017 08:07:28
Bakayoko is 22 y. o. kid with no PL experience whatsoever. He is injured, had surgery and can flopp just like that. He at 3 years away of replacing Matic. Wake up they f. ed up the club. But this is serious this time.

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01 Aug 2017 08:43:27
Heard all this last year too. Turned out pretty well.

Bakayoko made the Champions League team of the season last year. Wake up.

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01 Aug 2017 12:04:27
Last year we still had excellent squad. We lost Terry,Ivanovic,Mikel,Oscar,Costa,Matic,Ake,Begovic,RLC loaned,Chalobah.
The difference is more than obvious. Maybe Bakayoko and Morata are promising players,but Morata is a bench warmer from Real(he was bench warmer mainly at Juventus as well) Bakayoko who had 1 good season which means absolutely nothing with 0 PL experience.Rüdiger who suffered serious injury last year.
We have Hazard who was operated after serious injury less than 2 months ago.
On what you are building your optimism.???

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01 Aug 2017 12:39:13
Matt Martin, how much did Azpilicueta cost? Or Moses, Ivanovic, de Bruyne, Lukaku, Cahill, Frankie Lampard? And best of all Franco Zola at £5.7m! Everything that's shiny is not always gold. I think Danny Drinkwater would be an excellent buy.

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01 Aug 2017 17:26:29
Drinkwater is a good player, not debating that. He is similar to cesc in his style of play. two slow to play in a two in middle. So could cover for cesc but cesc will be behind Kante and bakyoko. imo we need bit of class with energy and passing abilty, to me sanches has energy passing creativeness and has played at top level., . And it's really not about spending huge amounts. a loan would be great,

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01 Aug 2017 19:13:38
Anti - Matic and Costa have been replaced (with better players), the rest you named barely played.

Conte has had a fully preseason in which to prepare (not to mention last season)

We've signed more and better players than at this point last year (by some distance)

We have champions league football, a shed load of money from sales, an owner happy to spend, and players will want to come to us. I expect some August spending.

But let's get the right ones.

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01 Aug 2017 23:58:50
The thing is that I have enormous trust when it comes to Conte. But this time they really played him down (board) . It will be extremely difficult for him this season. I'm afraid that majority of do not see real picture, carried with last season success.

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31 Jul 2017 21:42:50
Ed002 any truth in the Drinkwater rumours? Would be a very underwhelming signing for Conte.

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{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it.}

31 Jul 2017 23:15:41
Thanks Ed002.

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01 Aug 2017 07:19:05
The paper talk over the last three seasons has been rubbish, wait until there is some hard evidence or a reliable reporter introduces a story before getting excited. However, for the sake of argument let us say it is true, does ANYONE think those three would be on Conte's radar? Personally I do not think so which would be a worry.

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01 Aug 2017 11:52:45
C1955- it's well known Conte likes the Ox for a start.

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01 Aug 2017 12:40:23
Why all the downers on Danny Drinkwater! Every time I've seen him play, he has impressed.

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01 Aug 2017 16:09:45
CFCFOREVER: Well known by whom? He is injured or on the bench so I seriously doubt he has had time to watch him. That interest either does not exist or is someone else within Chelsea. I cannot see what he would bring that any number of sold players could do equally well.

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31 Jul 2017 22:44:20
The last what I'd call top tier player we signed was Hazard. Remember the days we were constantly linked with and made moves for these top tier players?

Robinho (although we missed him and he was ultimately a flop), Neymar (ended up at Barca) Shevchenko (once again he was a flop), Torres (once more he flopped), Gerrard (we almost signed him in his prime), Hazard (got him and he was worth every penny) .

Clearly we've done extremely well in the past few years winning the title two times in three seasons. And I'm not saying we should move for these players with ffp and so on, but it was great to see us linked to and attract these players to our club. Nowadays I feel we look to the good players but not those top tier players, and until we do we will struggle in Europe especially. That's just my opinion so don't shoot me.

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01 Aug 2017 01:07:24
fabregas was top class when we signed him . diego costa was top class when he came. it doesbt always work out signing top class players . look at united . pogba mikatryian. chelsea shevchenko torres . man city robinho mangala otamendi adebayor fernando fernandinho. spurs soldado lamela. arsenal granit xhaka . etc patience were doing ok mate the power in europe shifts around i wouldn't worry when ronaldo and messi are finished im sure english cluba will be bacm. in fact i reckon city are a good bet this year to win it.

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01 Aug 2017 12:53:20
Fabregas, Costa, Pedro, Eto'o, Falcao, Willian, Oscar, Luiz, Luis, Rahman, Cuadrado, Zouma, Schurrle, Remy, Salah, Matic, Kante, Bakayoko, Rudiger, Morata, Batshuayi - the fact that not all of them have been successful at Chelsea does not mean that we're not attracting top players. I could add De bruyne, Lukaku and Mata to the list.

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31 Jul 2017 22:34:39
Sky sports saying our 3 man shortlist for cm with matic gone is drinkwater Barkley and ox, were not even trying no more, where's the ambition,

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31 Jul 2017 21:42:50
Ed002 any truth in the Drinkwater rumours? Would be a very underwhelming signing for Conte.

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{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it sorry.}

31 Jul 2017 22:07:12
Danny Drinkwater. Well I guess he's English lol.

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31 Jul 2017 22:41:48
Errr can we have matic back.

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31 Jul 2017 22:41:48
Errr can we have matic back.

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31 Jul 2017 21:41:30
Danny drinkwater oh my days a poor mans cesc. just what we need,

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31 Jul 2017 22:19:08
If this is actually true I've no idea what is going on at our club. I also see Watford have beaten us to that young Brazilian we were linked with. We need some good news sooner or later as this is becoming depressing!

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31 Jul 2017 18:11:01
Eds, lots of reports today that 2/ 3 signing are close to completion. Is this a load of rubbish? Or if there is any truth to it any idea as to who the players may be? Many thanks!

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31 Jul 2017 17:16:31
Usually loads of rumours, mostly outrageous about players in and out. last 3/ 4 days nothing. Read comments of king Carlo saying sanches stays, really worried, paper thin squad, any good news eds.

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31 Jul 2017 19:01:25
Come on guys you're all acting like children, it isn't even a month since the window opened. We all know the squad is thin and that it's better to bring players in early but as Ed said the club is doing what they can to fix that and everything would be fine. Most big signings come later in the window in any case I can see a lot changing around Europe in the next few weeks. Let's not get into a frenzy and bother the eds. Seriously we should have some faith in the club. No matter how you look at it, we've done some good business and there'll obviously be more.

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31 Jul 2017 19:02:18
I have good news, Matic has signed for United.

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31 Jul 2017 19:16:56
I do get that, it's just we have no more friendly's, we have our first league in 8 days, we need to get these players in and settled and I worry if we won't pay what's required now it's only going to get worse, teams will see we need players in and prices will go up, plenty of time in the window but not before big games, after each post I think I'm like a school kid pestering he eds lol I apologise lol.

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01 Aug 2017 07:33:27
Matt, why do we have to get them in and settled?

We've a strong starting 11 and to extend that, a decent first 14/ 15.

Anyone who comes in late will have time to adjust and fit in.

The pessimism of some fans is draining. The window doesn't close for a month. Not as if we need to do business by midnight!

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01 Aug 2017 08:02:55
Jesus Christ, that's such a BS and you know it, decent 11. We have no depht. You are forgetting how many important players have left. With this team avoiding relegation will be success.

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01 Aug 2017 10:53:09
Yes, antibot, I said decent!

For f*ck sake, barring 2 players, it's the 11 that sauntered to the league last season so I would say yeah, decent 11.

I didn't say decent squad, I didn't say loads of depth! I said, new players will have time to bed in.

Talking relegation is awful BS, you need your head checked!

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31 Jul 2017 10:27:27
Right serious questions and would like opinions.

The main question is what is going on? I mean we are 2 weeks away from the start of season and we have 14 first team players rest made up with youth. 4 comps and we're weaker and no signs of new players arriving!

Why can't we attract top players?

Why are the club not supporting conte? Yes we have spent but we also sold and sold top talent as well. This is a mess and I can still see conte walking.
We seem to win the league and then not seem to want to push on. If the club are holding the money for new stadium then tell us! Be honest with us tell us what's going i on we would understand and deal with it and support the club.

Just a worried fan that's all don't shoot me down.

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31 Jul 2017 11:27:22
It's clear that year after year, we miss out on our first choice targets. Couple years ago it was falcao, Cavani, after that modric, couple years ago Bonucci, last year Koulibaly, this year Lukaku and Sandro.

While it also may be a combination of other clubs 'screwing us around', we also seem reluctant to just get the deal over and done with.

City don't get screwed around because instead of them slowly raising there price for the player, they just pay straight up what the asking club want and get it wrapped up.

Obviously that's not exactly what happens, but it's what I reckon happens.

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{Ed002's Note - Lukaku was not forgiven and was never going to sign. There is no reluctance to complete transfers. Chelsea do not slowly raise the price.}

31 Jul 2017 12:00:37
We've gone in right direction regarding balancing the books which in turn means we budget and don't want to pay over the odds for players, every player has there value. I do think we needed / need to act quicker built ed002 will probably confirm we are trying. But 100% agree we are weaker and thinner on the ground and st this time cannot see more than 2/ 3 coming in. 1 x cm 1 x wingback 1 back up striker maybe?

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31 Jul 2017 11:50:52
While I agree with Ed002, you said we had drifted into a tentative agreement for Sandro- why didn'r we push it through?

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{Ed002's Note - It is not a case of "pushing iot through". You clearly don't grasps even the basics.}

31 Jul 2017 13:32:14
Just relax guys and let it flow, it seems that we haven't got a team to play at all. Spurs bought fu*k all, Liverpool nearly same.

One day few of you shout to give youngsters a chance next day you want 4-5 signings.

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31 Jul 2017 14:21:13
I want 3 quality signings at CM, RWB and LWB. Keep Baker, Musonda, Boga and Christensen. Squad looks a lot more solid, plus the likes of Tomori/ JCS for cover.

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31 Jul 2017 14:44:27
Squad looks solid? Solid enough but good enough to cope with 4 competitions with midweek games, no chance,

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31 Jul 2017 14:58:30
I mean it looks solid with the above acquisitions.

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31 Jul 2017 16:03:33
What I don't get is that we are 7th richest club in the world but we don't pay the money like city etc etc they just pay up and get deals done! Why is there a penny pinching approach in the transfer market.

Just seems every team pays out and FFP doesn't get mentioned.

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31 Jul 2017 16:13:08
the only thing I have seen as a slight worry is squad depth. but in reflection I don't think it is a big issue. see below -

TBO caballero Eduardo 1/ 3
Cahill luiz rudiger Christensen azpil (3/ 5)
Moses Alonso azpil kenedy ( yes we need another wing back) 2/ 4
Baker fabregas bakayoko kante 2/ 4
Willian pedro ½
Hazard musonda ½
Morata batman ½ ( we do need another striker)

so if we got one striker in and a versatile wing back I think things are ok. if we get 2 wing backs things are good and if we get another CM things are great!

Bakayoko
caballero
rudiger
morata
Christensen
baker
musonda.
I know some are returning loanees but that's 7 new players to our squad.

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31 Jul 2017 16:23:13
I'm going to save Ed the hassle and say that's not how it works KP82.

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31 Jul 2017 16:58:03
After we last won the title with Mourinho that team was never going to be good enough to repeat the feat the following season. The transfer window saw us linked with 'maybe' Pogba, 'maybe' Griezmann and a raft of others and look who we ended up with, Djilobodji and Co and I believe that impacted Mourinho's attitude and behaviour for the rest of his stay. After winning last year and the steps others are making to mount a challenge our team was not good enough as it was to win this coming season and I do wonder as good as some of the new players are, how many were on Conte's wanted list. You cannot help note a hint of frustration in his interviews and his contract is improved not extended and I would worry if we get off to a poor start what Christmas will bring.

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31 Jul 2017 17:04:46
With a few new acquisitions our squad depth will improve as we will he able to cope with 4 competitions however is our squad good enough to win those competitions. I'm not wing negative I'm being honest. Is or teams tronf enough to compete in te champions league and even the prem? We had an incredible season but we can play the same wth the same players because it showed onwards the end of the season teams were starting to figure us out. We need world class signings not average ones. I like morata he's a good striker bu we could have bought someone better, same goes for rudiger. We need papers to go straight into our starting 11 and compete to be the best player in our team. We need more hazards/ kantes/ Azpis etc.

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31 Jul 2017 19:04:41
It's interesting because a debate has raged on our pages along the same lines - we don't get our first choices, why don't players want to come, how can this happen when we are so rich, it's not confined to Chelsea.

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31 Jul 2017 20:44:34
C1955 are you the old c1915? Your posts are very similiar and normally negative just as his were or is this a coincidence? Just asking? Remember last season a lot of negativity and we early on and yet we won the league.

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31 Jul 2017 21:01:24
G8: Sorry the C1955 is the year I saw my first game (v Wolverhampton Wanderers) I never saw any games in 1915! To some it is negative but to me I am observing similarities. Mourinho was everyone's hero and his demise was staggering and he complained about not having enough input to transfers and the inference is that Conte is in the same position. Just like Mourinho and Portuguese players you would expect Conte to lean towards Italians and we have names thrown around but nothing as yet and a first trophy game looming Sunday followed by the start of the title race and you would expect a club of our size to have most players in situ already. At my age I have seen so many self inflicted lows with the club I hope they would have learnt a lesson by now. Question for you: We won the title but were we the best team last year?

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31 Jul 2017 21:54:52
Thankyou for your reply c1955.I can understand why some fans get worried but the club have a plan and way of doing things. They will not sway from their principles and any manager must fit in with that. It works as well. We win a lot of trophies. I have great respect for what Jose did but he pushed the line too much. You don't do that to a man like Roman.

The club will get it right, we are clearing the wage bill, players who do not fit in anymore and players no longer good enouth. New players will follow and we will challenge. The blueprint is strong. Sadly, the written press often write negative articles about chelsea and too many on here read and react. It is time to be positive. As far as the best team last season? Obviously Chelsea as they won the league. The table does not lie!

Could Man City have won it? Of course, with the squad they had but Pep got it all wrong. Could Spurs? Possibly? But they have no bottle as was seen in the West Ham game away. The rest? A long way behind and still are. Just my opinion but thanks for the question. Cheers.

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31 Jul 2017 22:24:15
Why did we match uniteds bid then if he wasn't 'forgiven'?

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{Ed002's Note - You would be surprised if it all came out - he was never signing for Chelsea.

31 Jul 2017 22:24:15
Why did we match uniteds bid then if he wasn't 'forgiven'?

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{Ed002's Note - You would be surprised. I have explained over and over there was zero chance of him signing.}

31 Jul 2017 23:12:38
I was always optimistic especially since Conte took over, but now I'm so worried. We have lost so many important and influential players since January. Replacing player with another player is not replacing simple number for number there is so much more to it.

Dressing room is so important but one who had never been at the club doesn't know that. I'm worried that we. will lose Conte soon and that something bigger is happening to the club.

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30 Jul 2017 23:05:46
Why people worried about matic to Utd! Doesn't win headers not the greatest passer gets caught out of position and to put a nail in his cfc career conte must of seen him bottle that 50/ 50 with Ramsey in fa cup final. He needs kante to bail him out

£50m jeez take it and bloody run.

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31 Jul 2017 03:25:02
very average player he will do well in a modfield of 3 do.

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31 Jul 2017 05:51:12
Why does everyone keep saying £50M? BBC, Sky and Eurosport are all saying £40M?

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31 Jul 2017 06:31:41
Keep lying to yourself. It won't be easier when Chelsea hits the bottom in few months.

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31 Jul 2017 08:34:05
Oh behave. Matic is past his best. there's still 2 or 3 to come in.

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31 Jul 2017 08:41:07
A bit far fetched to say "bottom".

To be honest he won't make it in the starting 11 with Bakayoko's arrival and he probably doesn't fancy sitting on the bench given his age and has probably made his intention to move quite clear.

I doubt it's Chelsea forcing his hands to move and it's seem more in line with the fact that whoever doesn't have the right attitude to fight for the cause will have to move on.

Conte is stamping his authority which is what we have needed for years. Doesn't matter who you are and how big a star you are but nobody is bigger than the team.

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31 Jul 2017 10:10:29
£50m or £40m either way it's to much! Theses Utd fans that are convincing their selfs that they getting a top player are going to be in for a shock. These people who rate matic are the ones just judging him on his debut against city his only top class game

I love conte getting out average players matic Mikel Oscar is refreshing.

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31 Jul 2017 10:20:22
This seems incredibly similar to when the club sold mata to them following his tremendous year. He's a good player and will perform well in a midfield three but he isn't mobile enough for a 2 man midfield. When you combine that with the fact that he's 29 (this week) and has 2 years left on his contract (with no hope of an extension) and it makes sense for the club to sell him. If it was the matic that we saw from January 2014 until March 2015 that would be one thing, but for whatever reason he hasn't been the same since the Ashley Barnes tackle.

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31 Jul 2017 11:22:41
Matic had more assist last season than any Man. Utd player and that's statistical fact. We didn't sell him we lost him which is much worse.

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31 Jul 2017 13:38:58
TK i have to disagree with you on Mata, the guy was poor class (and loved Chelsea so much) but sadly Mourihno fell in Love with oscar for unknown reason (as mata was twice the player Oscar will ever be) and decided to let him go.

Just look at the amount of assists and goals Mata provided each season, the guy was the top player but Mourihno fu**ek his career up big time.

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31 Jul 2017 19:06:41
So, we love Mata and are happy to have Matic. He isn't flashy but he will protect the back four and let our flashier players do their thing.

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