Chelsea Banter Archive August 30 2015

 

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30 Aug 2015 22:50:05
Rumours of £100m bid for Pogba and tomorrow is Italian Deadline Day.

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31 Aug 2015 00:15:19
I think we can still bring him in on our deadline day though as all it means is that Italian clubs can't sign anyone after their deadline. Please correct me if I'm wrong eds but is that correct?

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{Ed001's Note - English clubs can sign until 6pm on Tuesday, regardless of whether their transfer deadline has passed or not.}

31 Aug 2015 08:35:58
Oh okay, thanks Ed, was thinking more along the lines of Juventus replacing him, but it seems extremely extremely extremely extremely unlikely of anything happening in regards to Pogba

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30 Aug 2015 22:28:07
Mourinho said earlier in the market that he has 5 wingers if any leave he will replace them, 2 of the five have left if Moses goes and only 1 replacement, surely this means 1 more to come in

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30 Aug 2015 22:46:43
Maybe he likes what he's seeing from Kenedy and Traore in practice and sees them as adequate depth.
Hazard, Pedro, Oscar, Willian, Kenedy and Traore. Looks good to me :-)

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30 Aug 2015 23:17:15
Might call me crazy but would anyone agree wanyama could be a very interesting player to sit next to matic the guy is an awesome defensive mid an very young just a thought seen as we ain't going to get anyone else we could throw mikel in the deal for free they probably still would t take the donkey 😀😀

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30 Aug 2015 23:30:57
Mikel is just as good as Wanyama

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31 Aug 2015 05:59:16
Wanyama apparently handed in a transfer request. If we want him we should be able to get him. That said, I too feel Mikel can offer us practically the same on the pitch.

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31 Aug 2015 10:22:34
Mikel is not a patch on wanyama.
Wanyama is more powerful, mobile and uses the ball better.

I'd be happy to see him next to matic because there's no chance of getting pogba.

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31 Aug 2015 11:08:48
King drogba I couldn't agree anymore if any of ye think mikel is better than wanyama ye are brain dead mikel wouldn't get a game with a championship side he's hopeless

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30 Aug 2015 19:47:25
Ridiculous transfer strategy. We seem to be doing the rounds knocking doors we know they are shut. Close the shop for this transfer window and make a plan for the next one. Nothing is going to happen now.

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30 Aug 2015 20:14:57
Mourinho's comments about 'no panic buying' is an insight into his involvement with transfers. He said when he re-joined that he accepted the transfer policy, he would indicate who or what he needed and others did the deals. Interesting also Juventus losing their second game after losing three key players pre-season which gives a glimmer of hope that they could do with big money to finance some transfers. Let's hold our breath a little longer!

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30 Aug 2015 20:18:53
Ridiculous post. Make a plan for the January window when no-one will want to sell unless the player forces their way out? Still plenty of time to do a deal, Pedro and Cesc both came out of nowhere remember! Have faith!

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30 Aug 2015 20:44:39
CFCFOREVER: Not sure which bit you thought ridiculous. The quote today from Mourinho or the fact we are attempting to get Pogba with a day and a bit to go. On the assumption it is the latter, a bit defeatist. Hopefully your 'out of nowhere' players don't come back and haunt you; Fabregas now running to form by not turning up, the only bit of running he does and Pedro I am pretty sure will turn out to be another Jesus Navas/Lazar Markovic. If anyone can swing a deal to keep us going forward Granovskaia can. With a day and bit left you must have faith!

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30 Aug 2015 21:26:49
I'm pretty sure the 'rediculous' comment was regarding the first post!

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30 Aug 2015 22:30:05
Frensham some of the stuff you come out with on here is terrible. Pedro turn out to be another Markovic winger lol what are you going on about.

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31 Aug 2015 08:16:59
Magic: I agree it is terrible but to me and I made it clear at the time that Pedro will not turn out a saviour. He is quick but not built for the Premiership as per Navas/Markovic. Navas is an impact player, no more and Markovic never even had that distinction. I would love to be proved wrong and obviously hope I am but I am confident I won't be.

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30 Aug 2015 19:41:00
I'll be gutted if we panic buy. If we sign someone like Garay or N'Koulou I'll shoot meself. I'd have preferred to give Kalas a chance this year if this was going to happen. I wouldn't mind someone like Witsel he's not world class but he's a very good player. If we could offload Ramires to Juve and bring him in it would be good business. In the meantime Zouma, Rahman, RLC, Kenedy and Falcao need to play more.

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30 Aug 2015 21:28:31
If we're going for a stopgap signing, then I'd rather go for Song if he's still available. I'd imagine he'd be a lot cheaper than Witsel.
Even though RLC looked bright against Palace, we still need another option that's better than Ramires and Mikel (though I'd keep Mikel as well for depth reasons and I like him).

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30 Aug 2015 17:41:53
IMO, poor form of practically all Chelsea players is due to late start of the preseason. Late start came most probably because Mourinho was aware that his players were exhausted after previous season so he decided to give them more rest.
Majority on this page are focusing on our defence and do not pay attention on our attack which was extremely poor. We don't create chances and we don't score.
Majority is completely unaware how powerful PL teams became. Look what happened this week with Liverpool, Chelsea, MU, .

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30 Aug 2015 15:49:21
I think we should not have high hope for Pogba on one account that the two most desired team are interested.let's be honest 9/10 player would choose Barca or Madrid unless u offer them better wages or if not sure of starting position in those teams. Personally I feel Barca will take him next year and probably at less transfer price than what we would pay. RLC can be the player we want but under Mourihno that will not happen. does not develop players neither does he build teams that go beyond 2 seasons because he normal buys form player and old. look at majority of his recruits since he came back.

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30 Aug 2015 17:34:43
Am not optimistic of signing Pogba but we need to sign someone maybe witsel to sit in there

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30 Aug 2015 18:15:47
I don't think signing anyone will take away the fact that will play boring defensive football. We need to get more players in and around the box and change formation.

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31 Aug 2015 10:48:39
Exactly right, NWBLUE.

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30 Aug 2015 14:49:31
Ed018, Oscars injury has been pushed back again, and he won't be available until the 12th of Sept at the earliest.

Any chance you know (or can find out) if he has picked up another knock or whether he was misdiagnosed?

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{Ed018's Note - doubt if be able to find anything out regarding that. }

30 Aug 2015 15:01:43
Easy mate. Just seems strange as the club hasn't made a statement. Thanks for the quick response

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{Ed002's Note - Why would the club make a statement? When's the next game?}

30 Aug 2015 15:08:10
The 12th, but when he was expected back for Palace, and now has been marked as injured on Physio Room until the 12th, I would've thought something would trickle out of the club as to why. Point taken though

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30 Aug 2015 17:45:32
They don't give exact dates, that just means he should be available for the game on the 12th

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30 Aug 2015 12:24:46
Ed018, any chance of some positive transfer news! I think we could all do with some cheering up!

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{Ed018's Note - not right now}

30 Aug 2015 13:36:38
ED018 do you think we'll make any further signings before the deadline?

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{Ed018's Note - I think they have to so I think they will}

30 Aug 2015 14:03:45
I think cb, garay is the choice now apparently, with witsel looking like he going Milan, if we don't get pogba which is probable, no idea what midfielder we would go for. Tbh this pre season an early season has been a shambles

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30 Aug 2015 14:50:11
Think we are going to have to spend massively now to get the players we need. Teams know we are fairly desperate.

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30 Aug 2015 11:57:03
Juve reject a bid of €80 m plus Oscar who we value at €70 m for Pogba, this is Twitter so obviously correct.

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30 Aug 2015 12:45:27
Why even bother with Twitter :-P

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30 Aug 2015 14:15:54
If that's true, no idea how much it will take to get Juve to say yes :/

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30 Aug 2015 14:50:54
This is why you should never read twitter looking for rumours. You'll only find rubbish

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30 Aug 2015 15:16:35
Have to agree Melbourne Twitter is absolute rubbish talk

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30 Aug 2015 11:37:05
Who honestly believe Chelsea will score a goal past Everton? Your pub forward looks finished hazard looks disinterested fabregas is showing why barca didn't care he left and your ba k four is woeful, I can smell 3 points for the mighty Everton, COYB NSNO

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30 Aug 2015 12:25:37
Yes, because you were shocking against Spurs yesterday.

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30 Aug 2015 12:46:10
I definitely believe we'll score :-)
How many we concede is another question entirely though.

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30 Aug 2015 12:49:17
And that 'pub forward' bullied your defence last season. Didn't we put 6 past you at the same time last year?

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30 Aug 2015 13:08:19
Well Johny if we play like we have been, then u will probably win. Just a tip mate for future reference, never include your IQ as part of your username, it explains the contents of your message.

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30 Aug 2015 14:00:11
Johny you're beginning to remind me of another scouser.

When encouraged you really enjoy it, and start believing you're having an impact, but we all know you'll slip up and your team, no matter how many players come, stay or go, will never deliver you the title.

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30 Aug 2015 14:54:50
Yes u did beat us last year, that's when you was a good team but at the minute boys and girls you lot are terrible, Jose will b sacked before Xmas as he can't cope if he doesn't get his own way proved it time and time again just throws his toys out and blames the world for him not having a plan b, reminds me of us last year we had a good season before then teams figured us out and we went whole of last season with no plan b, same thing seems to have happened to you lot this season, remember it's only banter ay lads y try and get personal Sid what's up spat your dummy out because it's not all going your way

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30 Aug 2015 15:04:44
Johny, your being silly. It doesn't compare to you lot at all. We weren't just playing well, we won the league. In your 'good season' you didn't even break into the top 4.

You seem to be helping make the case, that your team is a mid table shambles with a manager who has never known success, while Jose and Chelsea actually win things

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30 Aug 2015 15:25:51
Point taken Johny my apologies.

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30 Aug 2015 16:40:31
No worries sid, Melbourne I wasn't saying it was exactly the same just stating that your team, like ours last season, has stagnated with no plan b, I will bet u anything u want to that Chelsea win nothing else under Jose? Any bet u want I will take it, and I am a man of my word I will honour any bet made, Chelsea football club will not win another trophy under jose

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30 Aug 2015 16:42:24
And I have never disputed that you win things Melbourne just stating that it ain't going to b happening again any time soon

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30 Aug 2015 17:18:14
Johny, being a man of your word means very little when all you seem to do is ramble about nonsense, but I'm more than happy to take your bet. If I win, all I ask is you add a tag line of 'Everton supporters will never have the same amount of class as Liverpool supporters' to every post you make from that moment on. I'll do the same with a slogan of your choice.

I never claimed you said it was exactly the same, I merely am pointing out what a good season entails to an Everton fan compared to that of a Chelsea fan. You're constantly yapping about how we don't have history and was once in Evertons position. I'm just reminding you, while you continue to stagnate, we continue winning trophies.

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30 Aug 2015 17:37:51
Melbourne I like your bet haha I will take u up on it if I win your slogan can b I was a millwall fan till Chelsea won the league, deal?

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30 Aug 2015 18:11:21
Haha no problem mate. Not sure how you want to judge it, as if he leaves in the next couple years without winning something (which he won't), you can't exactly say you've won, as history says he returns and he wins

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30 Aug 2015 18:32:20
Well it is only a friendly bet anyway Melbourne all in jest mate, honest opinion what u think the score will b when we meet

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30 Aug 2015 19:29:48
dry your eyes mate,ha ha

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31 Aug 2015 01:18:37
I think we pump you mate. Not being funny either. I think this little break will help us, and I think Jose will have the boys looking for blood. 4-1

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30 Aug 2015 11:25:53
Just a quick left-field post - I think we should bid for Callum Wilson of Bournemouth - he reminds me so much of Ian Wright.

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30 Aug 2015 12:47:16
He's had like 3 games in the Premier League. It'd be better to judge him after a full season, and even then it's tricky. Look at Kane, looked world class last season but doesn't look that good this season.

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30 Aug 2015 10:38:27
Just my two cents on what is holding us back.

Its obvious that our build up play is far too laboured. I put this down to both Matic and Fab receiving the ball too deep. Generally once we regain possession, they are receiving the ball deep in our own half, and have limited options to move the ball up field quickly. Once the miss the initial opportunity (if one presents itself), as I alluded to yesterday, we have zero movement from our attacking players. It seems the only player who is creating space is Diego, and he is moving out to the wing, so even if we do manage to get in dangerous wide positions, we have no one to cross the ball into. That changed when we went two up front, as Falcao was attacking the box.

The players seem to not be willing to move into space, being selfless for the good of the team. It doesn't matter who we bring in, if that doesn't change, neither will results.

As a positive, Kenedy looked fantastic, and RLC looked assured. I think a huge part of that was coming on against tiring legs, but they both should get further opportunities if Willian and Fabregas don'rlt begin holding their own.

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30 Aug 2015 11:14:45
It is slow and laboured your right. We buy players who create and pass well, yet we play a game where the players seem more concerned about what's going on in our half than the opposition half. Players like pedro, hazard, fabregas are attacking players. But none are making runs or even risk losing the ball.

I watched West Ham yesterday and arsenal, when they go forward they seem to fill the box up, we're lucky if Costa is even in their. We should and need to change tactics too high press and attack. Even azpilicueta is a very good attacker, although a great defensive player aswell, he can attack and should.
I don't get why mourinho is playing everything against us, play to our squads strength. And that is a team capable of playing quick tempo, pressing football.
All this standing off keeping compact is not working, it actually drains the game, when it comes too attack we stay in the same gear as sitting back.
Ivanovic and William need to be dropped.

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30 Aug 2015 15:15:58
I agree it's very frustrating, we started out last season high pressing and going forward in numbers up until the match at Spurs and scoring wasn't a problem, our central defence got exposed due to a lack of pace and having to play higher when we press so Jose went away from that. Instead of just addressing the back by playing the pacy Zouma or even adjusting the attack (to send a cb forward and keep Cesar back for pace for example) Jose just chose to change our strategy and it hasn't changed back since. On attack we don't have the fullbacks to consistently put threatening crosses in the box(Caesar - weaker foot playing lb and Ivan just not capable) so we're left with what we have now which doesn't work because as you've said not enough movements in terms of cuts, runs. Maybe the answer is 2 strikers but that still leaves the issue of wide service.

I thought the Cahill/Zouma pairing played well enough for us to win or at least not concede, the two pressing issues imo if Jose insists on the same strategy and formation is to move Ivan from rb and and put someone faster and a bit more defensive than Cesc next to Matic. Even something simple like swapping Willian and Cesc I think would have made a difference yesterday.

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30 Aug 2015 10:23:27
As I posted when Jose returned, we should be careful what we wish for! I have also posted recently that I think Jose's tactics are old-hat these days and have been surpassed by a much more open, free-flowing game. I don't ask this lightly but Is Klopp still available?

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{Ed001's Note - yes.}

30 Aug 2015 11:09:24
Its tactics seemed to do the trick last season, so may I ask, is this just the fickle ramblings of your typical football fan, or have you been holding onto this thought in private for the past few seasons?

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30 Aug 2015 11:54:29
It's not a knee-jerk response to yesterday - I feel that Jose's tactics were new and successful in his 1st period with us but things have moved on. Teams play a far more expansive game these days and Pardew out-thought and out-manoeuvred Jose yesterday, and tactically we look so old-fashioned.

We won the Prem last year before Christmas with open, attacking play; but, after the Tottenham defeat, Jose immediately reverted to his defensive formation from then until now. Why are we playing Fabregas so deep in a two with Matic at home to Palace? We play a fluid, interchangeable 3 behind Costa but this means that there is no one in the hole behind Costa. We rarely have more than Costa in the box when crosses come in - even at home. How often do the 3, or our midfield 2 hit the box? Rarely - never? Where's our new Frank Lampard?

Jose is obsessed with the opposition rather than imposing our creative players on them - just imagine Hazard playing in the Man City team - he would be a sensation and, I believe, score 20+ a season - look at the freedom that Sterling has.

In any relationship, it rarely works out if you go back. Jose won us the title last year but against a lacklustre City, a rebuilding Man U, road-crash signings at Liverpool, and Arsenal's usual promising much only to deceive. But I don't believe that Jose's tactics are sustainable in the modern game. Unless he is willing to revert to our pre-White Hart Lane attacking flair then I think we will struggle regardless of whether we buy Pogba, Stones, uncle tom cobbly and all!

The bottom-line is that Messi would never get in to a Jose team - he doesn't track back enough! Enuf said!

So Klopp is available - any takers?

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30 Aug 2015 13:05:06
First time around we built from the back with pace the issue now is the pace from the back is too slow and from the middle always too deep. This is why we need the Rahman/Azi full back set up; doesn't solve other issues most alluded to somewhere this morning but I think Mourinho knows that is what is required and his comment about why he took Azi off and put Kenedy on I think endorses that and how much we may see young Kenedy playing this year; old head on strong young shoulders.
Our next manager: Diego Simeone.

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30 Aug 2015 13:24:34
I don't think Klopp would be a good choice. His tactics would perhaps work for a season or 2 and then he'd be found out. And his time in Dortmund showed an inability to adapt.
I myself want Mourinho at our club for the longest possible time. He's an incredible manager and I can't really believe people keep doubting him. It presents a good question though. We've already had so many different managers. And if we don't want managers that we've had previously, what options are there if Mourinho left? Guardiola is a top manager, but I would stay away from him. Really dislike the guy and IMO he made Bayern worse instead of improving them. Simeone? Plays a similar style to Mourinho so you'd be moaning about him as well then. What top managers are there? :-)

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30 Aug 2015 13:41:49
Pardew?

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30 Aug 2015 13:42:10
So last season City were lacklustre, and yet with the same manager, using the same tactics, he was able to turn it around, but Chelsea, with the most successful manager in world football, have been, well lacklustre to kick off the season, and its time to sack the manager, who just signed a 3 year extension, and delivered us our first title in 5 years.

This is the one thing that worried me since day one of JM's return. We don't deserve him. The fans felt entitled to win with Jose returning. Once we won, the fans have started to moan about our style of play, and in general criticise ad abuse everyone from JM, to last years player of the year, to mainstays in the squad that have brought us more success then any player before them.

It sounds so familiar. Oh that's right, it happened the first time round when Jose left. Getting booed by sections of the fans at the Bridge and widely abused on forums like this for playing boring football. Remind me what happened during those next few years with managers, and who it was we all longed would return and once again deliver us glory. Yes we won trophies, and under Carlo even played some beautiful football while winning the title. But it didn't last and the merry-go-round continued.

In your own words, you should be careful what you wish for. And know, Klopp has said he is looking for a challenge. If you look at his resume, we don't tick the boxes.

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30 Aug 2015 13:44:16
I would t take Klopp, his tactics are not too different to Jose. In which he gets players running themselves into the ground for him. Also why would we want a manager that had the same team that one the league and reached the champions league final and destroyed it. Fair play to him, he built that team but he was also ran it into the ground.

I'm happy with what we have, and would love for Jose to stay for the long term.

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30 Aug 2015 14:11:26
For clarity Mrs Costa: I would be mortified if we lost Mourinho and all being well signings or not he will make the adjustments needed before the next game as alluded to in my comment. My reference to Simeone was after Mourinho has gone as he will only by 50.

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30 Aug 2015 14:30:08
We played beautiful attacking football at the start of last season because we had a solid backline which could handle counter attacks. Come January some players were getting tired (Fabregas), others were injured/suspended (Costa), Cahill was off form, so we switched to a more defensive style in order to combat the issues we had.

This season we started late, so players aren't as fit and haven't found form yet. Terry, Ivanovic and Cahill are all off form and look a yard slower. Cesc still looks tired. We haven't reinforced our thin squad. Once we've sorted out our defence again, I think we'll see a return to attacking football.

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30 Aug 2015 14:38:49
It may come down to this: do you want to go to the Bridge and see open, attacking football that gets you off your feet and sends you home happy even though there will be a few Tottenham type defeats or are you happy to sit twiddling your thumbs in boredom at the Bridge staring at the passing pigeons while Jose's team turgidly grinds out another 1-0 win but go home happy that we will probably win trophies?

Take your pick.

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30 Aug 2015 15:00:29
So hold on, now your issue is we have been trudging to 1-0 victories? Just before you were complaining that Joses tactics were old fashioned and managers were out thinking him. 1-0 victories suggest he wouldn't be getting out thought. And we haven't been having 1-0 victories. You could even argue, that if you weren't a Chelsea fan, our games this year have been rather exciting. So what's your complaint, as your confused argument isn't holding firm.

Why do I only get your two, narrow, fantasy choices? And how do I get a guarantee that if Jose leaves we would be playing this expansive style of football you're banging on about. How many managers have we had since Jose's first spell? How many delivered this exciting brand to the Bridge? And how long until you bemoan them for not getting results?

This most certainly is knee jerk reaction, and whether you'd like to admit it or not, Mrs Costa, you are as fickle as most. Throw the toys out of the pram as soon as things don't go your way.

I'm extremely pleased others agree that Jose is the man for the job!

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30 Aug 2015 15:31:47
Concerning Pardew's out maneuvering of Jose yesterday let's be honest, how difficult was it for him to know we are struggling defensively on our right side and to run 95 out of 100 attacks at Ivan. True, he used his best strategy for success by attacking our current weakness, but what else did you see him do that was special.

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30 Aug 2015 16:33:08
Melbourne, the point I am making (as I made prior to the start of the season by the way) is that Jose is now a manager with old-fashioned tactics which have been by-passed by a new wave of more open attack-minded tactics. Football is ever evolving which makes it interesting and I doubt that Jose can adapt. You can ask 'Why should he?' given his record but I think it is blindingly obvious that other teams know exactly how we are going to play and set out their stall accordingly. As others have posted, where is plan B? Yesterday, Pardew concentrated on attacking Ivan when in possession, and withdrawing to a wall of 5 spread in front of their defence. Yes, anyone could have come up with those tactics having watched us since Xmas and therein lies the problem. Where's Jose's supposed tactical genius? Why isn't he at least tweaking the system to surprise the opposition? Where is Plan B when it isn't working? If Plan B is to send Zouma up front and lump balls up to him then, Jeez, I could be Chelsea's next manager!

I hope Jose turns it round but I have my doubts as he doesn't allow his creative players to concentrate on creating. And this is all so reminiscent of the season that he left - Roman not prepared to put his hand in his pocket, a slow start to the season, the players looking non-committal, Jose looking unhappy and upsetting the Board with comments made to the Press - watch this space.

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30 Aug 2015 17:32:57
And once again I'll make the point we won the league last year and you are having the typical fickle response of a fan who has given up on their team after 4 games.

How long have his tactics been old fashioned? 2 months now? Or will you revert to the same argument, we beat teams who weren't playing well. Guess who didn't play well other than the champions the season before last. Everyone. And the year before that? Everyone. Last time United won the league, who was it that didn't play well? Everyone bar United. Actually United didn't even play all that well. Hold on, it can't be every year that only one team plays well, so maybe the opposition are getting better. So you'll argue that if Jose was any good of a manager he would stay ahead of the pack. Which means you think Pelligrini is a worthless manager after last year, even if they are smashing it this year, because you reevaluate managers in one year cycles, no? Or was he just off and his squad wasn't at full capacity for that year? But Jose doesn't get the same chance and isn't allowed to make the same excuses, because he bores you.

Feel free to jump ship mate and start the sack Jose campaign. Throw out the toys and show absolutely no patiencd or loyalty to the club. Its what every fan of every other club expects when they speak of the fans of our club that are entitled. But if you for a second think things would be different had we of signed Stones and Pogba, it might be worth noting Jose has attempted to land both. He attempted to land Varane in January, so saw problems with defence. He attempted to land Greizman earlier this window. So maybe he isn't quite as blind as you think and there's a reason he manages the club and you comment on this forum!

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30 Aug 2015 18:02:51
Mrs Costa you are running riot here. Third in his first season back, winner last year and suddenly he is a 'manager with old fashion tactics'? At worst he is a manager with 'holes in his defence'. He is sending out a team that on paper are letting him down every which way but I am sure we will find, new signings or not, that Mr Mourinho will be as brutal as necessary. (Remember Courtois in, Cech out, bye bye Petr).

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30 Aug 2015 19:44:44
Oh, Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne - what sort of argument is it that starts throwing around 'lack of loyalty to the club' because I have the temerity to question Jose's tactics? If this line of argument continues I'm going to do an Ed2 and refuse to answer!

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31 Aug 2015 01:24:08
Is that a threat or a promise? ;)

The line was only 'thrown out' because of the ridiculous argument you are making and it being evident you have a personal problem with Jose. You said yourself you had issue with him when he first returned and you wouldn't be the first lady who is looking to feel vindicated by their prediction.

Taken issue with my line of argument, rather then answering any of the questions I posed, only makes you seem ever more ridiculous. You wouldn't be the first to use that tactic either though mate.

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30 Aug 2015 10:02:06
Not sure if anyone agrees but I think we should move for Alex Song, would be fairly cheap or even get him on loan. Of course Pogba would be first choice but Song would add some steel alongside Matic

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30 Aug 2015 10:59:51
I thought West Ham were very close or had maybe even signed him

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30 Aug 2015 12:41:30
Song? Why? Give RLC his opportunity. Personally, I wouldn't mind aiming at 4th place and giving Zouma, RLC, Troare, Kennedy, Chalobah, Boga and Rahman plenty of game time.

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30 Aug 2015 13:25:58
I would take Song if Ramires was sold. He would definitely make us better. A physical presence while also providing the creativity which Fabregas is supposed to bring.
I was asking for him at the start of the summer.

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30 Aug 2015 09:48:39
There must be something going on behind closed doors with ivanovich . Over the years he's been one of our most reliable players and for him to be this bad I do not believe for a second it's just down to form. He's not that type of player. I absolutely love ivan he's Chelsea through and through and a legend in my eyes and for him to be like this is sad. Has to be something to it

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30 Aug 2015 06:08:45
Without going too far over the top half of our problems would be helped if we changed to natural paced full backs. Azpi RB, Baba LB, then put Loftus in for Cesc in midfield you get that extra physical presence you lose in Ivanovic and leave Cesc out for underperforming. The just Oscar for Willian.

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30 Aug 2015 08:11:36
Taking a slightly more rational view after digesting yesterday there is definitely a malaise hanging over the team and Mourinho, the latter showing it pre and post match.
There is little pace being shown and even less movement and as already pointed out the man with the ball is the only one moving at times.
A change of format to 4-3-3 might liven the team up.
I think everyone is agreed Ivanovic needs time on the side-lines and should not come back as a right back but contest a central role. Fabregas is reverting to type and we cannot carry someone just ambling about, unless we are dominating a game he should be taken off and on current form probably benched. Having seen Rahman once I was against the buy but we have him and should use him. He is very quick and crosses the ball very well but in the game I saw he didn’t get back quick enough which could be fatal with counter attacking teams. That moves Azi to right back and gives us that extra pace from the back we are lacking. Some may disagree but Terry and Zouma would be my choices currently in the centre. The middle and upfront there are many combinations including Oscar if fit and I still have my doubts about Pedro long term and Willian probably has reached his sell by date so I would like to see Falcao given a full match even alongside Costa. So far Kenedy is looking an extremely useful acquisition, strong, confident and great awareness and along with Loftus-Cheek, Mourinho might need to shake up the regulars by using them more often.

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30 Aug 2015 00:57:47
Ed is there a reason some of my posts are not going up on the site?

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{Ed002's Note - No idea. Have you tried the "Other" page - it is where all of the post match nonsense goes.}

30 Aug 2015 09:39:44
That's a polite way of Ed saying you talk nonsense 😂

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30 Aug 2015 04:27:02
Jose is right not commenting on Ivan because honestly Ivan had done nothing wrong, wasn't his decision to move to rb and not his fault he was run out there again for 90 min despite being off form.

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30 Aug 2015 08:24:01
I wondered was it fabregas he was on about after the game but your right he certainly shouldn't be slating the players in public he's lost a lot of respect already of the physio nonsense

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30 Aug 2015 10:00:44
It was interesting that MotD suggested it was Ivan he was talking about - I immediately thought 'Hazard' myself.

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30 Aug 2015 13:29:07
Agree, Mrs Costa, I also thought of Hazard. I'm actually pretty sure he was referring to him. And he's right, Hazard was caught watching the play instead of picking up the free attacker at the back post. Cost us the game. He also didn't show a lot of effort during the whole game. So Mourinho would be right.
Although I hope he feels the same way regarding Fabregas and Ivanovic. They were both bad in their own right.

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30 Aug 2015 13:43:57
In reality, it could have been any 1 of 6 or 7!

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