Chelsea Banter Archive January 02 2013

02 Jan 2013 23:20:53
Yes we played poorly yes Torres is pretty crap but does that mean we should all start moaning, suck it up, move on

Sell
Torres (supported him for so long)
Sturridge

Buy
Ba
-okay, I would want FALCAO or CAVANI, but I would prefer a more considered approach towards rather

Lacina Traore-Anzhi machacala, -Positive-followed him since 3 years ago , he will be a great
-negative - he is to much like lukaku and ba

Stevan jovetic-
Positive - I really like this guy and he is class, I hope he doesnt go city and he has really great potential
Negative - he will be great or he will be a mediocre player

ROBERT LEWANDOWSI - will be one of the best strikers in the world and he better not go to united

ALL OF THESE ARE A STEP UP FROM TORRES BUT SUPPORT THE TEAM AND SUCK IT UP AND MOVE ON

AND F-OFF NO NAME POSTERS

Billy

02 Jan 2013 23:12:59
Bad result tonight.
I don't understand why people Are having a go at Marin. I thought he created a number of chances for us and look very lively... I agree that he should have been sent off, but it was good to see him running at players and taking them on.

02 Jan 2013 22:40:12
If I were The board, I would go out and get Falcao now, and use Torres as part of the deal. Imagine if we finish outside the top 4 - Falcao won't come to us then!

02 Jan 2013 22:31:56
Words fail me, all that talent and no motivation , just like watching the Chelsea of yesteryear, beat the decent sides around us and lose to the struggling sides. Those Chelsea fans who paid good money to watch that crap must feel well cheated.... the players should hang their heads in shame. Well done Harry, tactics spot on, why couldn't we have had you instead , What did you say about anyone could win with our team....... give Raffa, and Roman, a ring in the morning and explain in detail how to run a football club.

Bluetrick (49)pi$$ed off Chelsea supporter of 40+ years who should really Know better

Right, good tactics to sit back and get RDM against. Qpr players were a bit luckier and made better use of their chance. Stop listening to person biased commentators, I didn't see any management problems, we fielded the better team and our players should have finished better.

02 Jan 2013 22:09:28
Hi just curious - did anyone see who got the armband after lamps was subbed?

Alessandro

Ivanovic

Jordan

Cheers

alesandro

02 Jan 2013 22:02:29
am gonna rip up the lampost outside my house and stick it in our penalty box it will have a lot more movement than that shambles tranny torres up front! a bloody disgrace! i mean wot chance do u have with this bloke sulking his nut off of every minute of every bloody game! and i bet am gonna read 2morrow we still can we the tittle from fat rafa! how can u go from beating everton away to lose against dire sh1t like 2night!


bloody fuming kevinCFC

Calm down perky.

Actually don't, it's funny. LMFAO.
What comes around, goes around perky.
Whooooop whooooop!!

Good old Harry. {Ed018's Note - perky, i thought his name was pinky}

We all know who he is ed.
He is the loud mouth who keeps invading our site shooting his gob off.
Has been a bit quiet lately tho since the name Kevin leaked out.

Thx ed, you the man!!

Just like 'secret agent harry'
He is doing a fine job.

02 Jan 2013 21:55:27
The manager rotated a title contending squad and everyone says hes a Spanish waiter rubbish manager? absolutely pathetic, guess everyone has athletic physiques who writes on this webpage. Mata was replaced with a Brazilian international and Hazard a German international and everyone has ago at the manager? Will do a Di Matteo and not rotate the squad then everyone will have ago and say people are looking tired and need squad rotation. The team we started with had more than enough to beat QPR their are no excuses, this was the players poor performance, cant always blame the manager. I didn't hear everyone praising Rafa when we won 8-0 rubbish internet trolls.


PB

PB it's past your bedtime, get mummy to put you to bed, this manager is useless & you have got a clue.

Marin in the past (almost) three years has just as much caps on international level as Bayern won European trophies last season.

None at all¦just in case you didn't get that.
Just saying¦

Cheers
Beast

Oi muggsy! If you are gonna come on here and pipe up to one of the regulars, at least sign off. You let yourself down mate!

Luke

PB is absolutely spot on, all managers would have rotated the team. It was one of those nights. Move on and get over it guys.

PR!

It's funny no name, because while I agree the manager is far from ideal, I didn't see you pipe up about him when we were winning and everyone else seemed to be behind the manager. You're a troll mate. PB is spot on. Most people on here are extremely fickle. It's not the end of the world that we lost sat home to QPR.

Someone posted a few weeks ago saying we are a young team, with a lot of new players that need time to adapt and gel with eachother. They were completely right. We ain't gonna win the title this year. While rafa put out a weaker XI today, it should have got the job done. QPR are battling relegation, so they will be going out every week and putting in a shift. We weren't up for it.

Melbourne CFC

1. No name poster
2. I don't live with my mum
3. Your sentence doesn't make sense, this manager is clueless & you have got a clue

Well done

PB

I agree with PB spot on delboy(34)

Thanks guys, no one on this forum from what i can remember wanted Benitez but he's here now and he is trying new things. He's rotating the squad and he has moved Luiz to CM which has been excellent.
The problem is he don't have a world class striker to bring off the bench like Chicarito or Dzeko, the amount of points those guys have salvaged for their teams is crazy.

As Melbourne has said this season was always meant as a transitional one. Changing the personal and style from a slower paced direct style to an up tempo short passing game. We have to embrace this change and the new players we now have. We have a new and young squad and yoyo performances are expected, just look at Aston Villa.

Im not excusing tonight's performance because it wasnt acceptable but nights like this happen, just like 8-0 one offs like the other night.

We over performed for the first 8 games then under performed for the next 8 games. Its going to be one of those seasons, we have an experienced manager who has brought some good idea's to the club. Lets get behind the team, hope for some good business in January and pray United and City stop scoring late goals.

PB

02 Jan 2013 21:51:36
We played like Rafa's Liverpool. Lost a game which we should have had won in the first half hour. Lost for words. Abramovich should strip the team of wages for this week. And we just can't sack Torres, can we?

JG

02 Jan 2013 21:43:12
ELI don't even bother try to defend that performance an absolute embarrassment all over the field . you cant even call that performance dire its just plain embarrassing !

we got beat by a team that has only won one game and we cant even get a shot on target they were laughing at us !

Chelsea were like a circus tonight , no fight , no tactics , just pure and utter garbage !

02 Jan 2013 21:41:52
How can that Rafael "Spanish Waiter Stand In" not realise Mata and Hazard need to start matches? QPR played for a draw and got lucky. Poor offside decision against Lampard to deny his goal but apart from 1-2 players, everyone was dire. Southampton who already are playing a second XI against us at the weekend and we felt the need to drop Mata and Hazard? Someone tell me what has Benitez been smoking on New Years Day and today to come up with that team?
Windsor Blue
PS Slight respect to Shaun Wright-Phillips, didn't celebrate his goal and played quite well. Moses needs the ACON for a break, Marin needs a loan deal and another assessment in the summer.

We played bottom of the league you fool, if there was ever a time to rotate and rest it was tonight, or would you rather just play the same team every match and burn them out. Also they weren't cheap crap players who came in.

02 Jan 2013 21:39:40
The waited should be axed !!!!! {Ed018's Note - and bring in who}

Some bloke who watches football up Clapham common , it really aint that hard to pick a Chelsea team . {Ed018's Note - I certainly don't agree with the team selection.}

Sack that person!

Arry was right before the game saying how hard is it to manage Chelsea? Anyone of us would have done abetter job for todays game. Rubbish.

02 Jan 2013 21:39:24
So many bad losers on here. Chelsea lost, accept it, move on.

02 Jan 2013 21:39:11
Shocker! I know it is difficult to beat a team that defends but we should have enough quality to break them down. Proitos

02 Jan 2013 21:31:35
defend defend defend, & hope the sulk torres gets a goal, what a shocking manager. I'm embarrassed to be a chelsea fan under this tapas waiter.

I know it was a bad preformence but were u saying that when we hammerd aston villa and beat everton one the hardest place to go but torres should never wear the blue of chelsea again

Get a grip man it's one game what sort of knee jerk reaction is that! It happens to every team look at 'the special one' at Real Madrid.
Jim132

What about the loss at west ham, corinthian's, it's not knee jerk, I have always said benitez is the worst manager we could have ever appointed. I have been posting on here about the clause in his contract that keeps him at the bridge, but it's not been allowed through.

Worst manager we could have got! Honestly deluded to say the least it was a bad performance granted but that's all it was. There are many worse managers around who haven't won a champions league trophy! Where are all your complaints when we are winning games?!? As to this 'must take him seriously' what a joke there won't be a clause like that in existence in any managers contract of course a manager may be given the job full time if results are good its common sense. Support the team and the manager.

Jim132

02 Jan 2013 21:27:09
Sell Torres, sack the waiter.

02 Jan 2013 21:23:01
noooooooooooooooooo!

02 Jan 2013 21:19:48
What the hell Rafa! What are you waining for?

02 Jan 2013 21:05:19
To everyone asking why Marin hasn't played much.... Erm take a look at his performance tonight. Should of been sent of too

02 Jan 2013 20:59:48
Sorry previous post said Mata on for Marin and Hazard on for Moses to improve the performance.
EH17

02 Jan 2013 20:35:55
Marin
Moses
Might spark some life into this performance.
EH17

02 Jan 2013 20:31:56
i thought luiz was in midfield, not ivanovic.

02 Jan 2013 20:23:39
this first half performance has been poor....

02 Jan 2013 19:40:55
Demba demba Ba
Demba Ba
Demba demba Ba
La la la la la la la
Demba demba Ba
Demba Ba
Demba demba Ba
To the tune of baby give it up by k c and the sunshine band.

02 Jan 2013 19:34:33
Alright lads, toon fan here in peace. As Ba looks set to sign for you's just wondering what you think of it? Good look for 2nyt!
Geordie Mitch

02 Jan 2013 18:53:12
if ive just heard wot our starting line up is 2night am not gonna be bloody happyturnball
ceser
ivanovic
cahill
bertrand
lampard
luiz
oscar
marin
mosses
torres

I think its good that marin is playing & bertrand. ive never liked moses though. BLUEBOY1

Cant drop our best player in mata for a game like this


kevinCFC

For a game like what?. Home to bottom of the league?

Jordan

Yep home to bottom well am sitting here at half time going mad cos we lack cretivity and whys that! NO MATA! clueless jordan clueless



kevinCFC

02 Jan 2013 17:57:00
Is tonight's match shown anywhere? Proitos

02 jan 2013 16:56:03
happy new year everybody and especially ed002. i really appreciate your attitude towards the job you do every day.
oi, everybody to hear and read. to stop your abusive language and let ed002and others eds to work normally, i would remind you the old rules of the website.

rule no1: ed002 is always right.
ruleno2. if ed002 is not right, see the rule no1.

so before start thinking how :clever: you are read these rules. after that there would be no need to call your doctor psychiatrist.

peter tomic

02 Jan 2013 16:20:05
hi
Ed hope all is well and the festive period was merry!

i hope you can help, i have been debating the "release clauses" in general and Ba's in particular.

I have been saying that most release clauses are not as simple as meeting the release fee and with Ba's in particular being for champions league clubs only.

i would like to ask

1. is Ba's release fee only for champions league clubs.

2. what are the other aspects of a release clause? or is it as simple as meeting the required fee?

many thanks in advance Ed


James

Ed? can you shed any light?

From what I've gathered from Ed over the years release clauses are very hard to enforce and also they carry little weight in transfers between two nations. Hope that helps a little bit.

Tk

It does, thank you very much!

02 Jan 2013 11:55:07
Frank Lampard is one of the highest paid players at the club and, if we are honest, he isn't a regular starter anymore. Scholes and Giggs are no longer amongst the highest paid players at Man Utd but having said that they probably haven't had to take a massive wage drop from when they were in their prime - wages in the last five to ten years have gone through the roof, and are only just starting to plateau, so rather than them dropping their wages others, such as Van Persie, have just moved onto higher wages. With the financial fair play coming into effect soon I don't think Chelsea can afford to keep a bit part player on the sort of wages Lampard would want; no matter how good their performances are during the games they do play. Eventually we are going to have to look towards the signing of a high profile player in the centre of midfield, a regular starter who will also want those wages. Lampard would be looking at a substantial wage drop if Chelsea were to offer him a one year deal, with lucrative two or three year offers coming in from the likes of China and the USA would it make sense for him to sign this deal?

Lampard has been the best midfielder in the history of Chelsea Football Club but there comes a time when every player has to leave a club and fans have to thank them and wish them luck. Be it January or the summer that time has unfortunately come for Lampard.

Surewould

Sorry Surewould, but this is tosh. CFC has always been rewarding to it's best players and of course Lampard is no different. He signed his 5 year deal at 140K a week 4, 5 years ago. The TV money and the merchandise money have evolved over those 5 years incredibly. Hence your reference to the likes of Rooney and van Persie receiving even higher wages. The wages are evolving continuously and that is a tendency we have to live with.

Listen, if we can afford to carry the contracts of Benayoun, Malouda and that type, who make no mistake combined make something in the region of what Lampard does - what difference does that make to you. We pay people money to NOT SHOW up. Now how do you come up with the idea of what should Lampard be paid in comparison with this?

Aren't we paying close to 100 K to Mr.Obi? A guy who has scored as much as Petr Cech has for the club in Premier League! I don't care what he does on the pitch, he nowhere near the quality of Mr. Makelele, who had a "licence to doe other things" than scoring goals and still scored!

I mean every outfield player should score goals. Otherwise they should take other sports, for all i care. Ever since this game was invented it was about scoring more than the opposition to win it. It is still about winning it. And to do so you have to score goals.

Enter certain Mr.Lampard. I am 34 years old and working out regularly. Not on a sportsman's daily routines, but nevertheless regularly. For Christs sake, it is no 1970's outside, where you would start to write off the athletes at the age of 28. He one of the best at the club when it comes to fitness. He is a leader. He scores and assists. On weekly basis. What else do you actually want?

He scored more than Mikel, Ramires and Romeu combined. Had he not been injured, which hardly ever is the case with him, he would have scored even more. Every coin he makes is justified in my opinion. And there may be reasons for parties to not come up to an agreement, but money should not be an issue at all.

(Mr. Owen at Manchester United was on a 50K a week and another 50K appearance bonus. Giggs is just under 90 K a week. Trust me, it's not like they are paid like 17 year olds and are fed with the love for the club. That is a full time job, where you are under worldwide pressure to perform every time you turn up for it)

JG

Justifying it based on past dealings doesn't really help the argument for me. The time has now come with ffp that we can't carry poor contracts and we have to be honest he wouldn't be worth the money he currently gets so if he's willing to take a big cut then I'm all for keeping him but can't justify it otherwise.

Tk

I absolutely agree. It's not a sentiment. it's fact. If he is a legend it doesn't mean that he should go.

JG if Lampard will take a pay cut then yeah he should stay, I'd be delighted to have him as part of the squad for the next year or two. But is he going to take the sort of pay cut required? No chance, not when other teams are talking about giving him a pay rise!

This is just my opinion and I understand people are upset at the perceived lack of interest Chelsea have in keeping Lampard but in reality, unless he significantly lowers his wages, it's just unrealistic!

Surewould

Gentelmen, of course i am somewhat biased, but definitely not sentimental. Look - let's agree that Lampard is playing as good as in any year of these past three. He is playing great football. Today. Not 5-8 years ago. Judging on his current form, physical abilities and overall commitment to Chelsea Football Club he is a sure bet to be of great service for another year or two.

Buying a world class player to fill his void would not only cost us at least 20 million in transfer fees and at least 100K weekly. That alone does not guarantee you anything. It can become next Lampard, it can turn out to be next Downing or Aquilani. Then and if that certain player starts performing well, he's up to the payrise which inevitably happens: David Luiz, Ramires, Mata, Obi (hell knows why).


So don't look for sense in numbers. We have got Chalobah, Romeu and De Bruyne in the ranks. All three look like they are the part. They'll require playing time or be sold.


My thinking is if we stick to Frank for another year or two, then we could bring in those guys and fairly distribute they playing time as manager sees fit. You just can't chop Lampard and tell De Bruyne - this year you're our number 8. Lampard and those guys can train and play together and learn from him. That's invaluable. No disrespect to Bremen and Watford, but that's surely nothing like playing for CFC.


But, having said that, if Frankie is up for the pastures anew with some ridiculous money thrown at him in States, or Asia and he wants to take it - fair to him. He's as good a midfielder as there ever was. And he gave all the best to Chelsea.

JG