Chelsea Banter Archive December 29 2019

 

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29 Dec 2019 22:31:22
Watching the game, I was incensed to see Torreira waving imaginary yellow cards, right, left and centre. then I saw Azpi doing the same thing! His performances are going downhill fast - hurry up and get Reece fit again.

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29 Dec 2019 23:32:56
It’s horrible to see I saw Lacazette do it as well. It’s okay claiming a foul or penalty but I hate seeing players pretending to ask for cards given even if it’s the club I support.

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30 Dec 2019 00:17:42
I think torreira is a joke of a player dives every 2 seconds and complains to ref constantly and gwedouzi is even worse.

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29 Dec 2019 20:33:19
Said we'd be better away at Arsenal and thankfully it turned out to be the case. Frank deserves massive credit, liked the line up and formation but it clearly wasn't working and changing it quickly was the right thing to do.

I do like how adaptive he is, if something isn't working he'll change it, sometimes it won't and hasn't worked but sometimes it will and has but having a manager who isn't stubborn nor afraid to switch it up is a big positive. Jorginho brought balance and composure with the ball which we desperately needed so fair play, yes fortunate not to get sent off but there was decisions that didn't go either way today.

Big shout out to Lamptey too, it seems like with the way we want to play our academy boys are more suited to the system. Wouldn't be against having Reece and Lampety as our RB's and Azpi and Emerson as our LB's. And then in a season or two Maatsen can take one of the places at LB. Got a little bit of breathing space and hopefully we can find some consistency now.
KTBFFH

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29 Dec 2019 23:34:43
Don’t think Emerson is it mate. I like the idea of Azpi here for experience but I’d prefer a Telles or Grimaldo here as first choice instead of Emerson.

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29 Dec 2019 20:01:25
From what I understand, Haaland's move to Dortmund means Sancho is on his way out the door in the next month. It's now a matter of who meets the fee.

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{Ed002's Note - It is entirely unrelated.}

29 Dec 2019 20:27:11
I'll disregard that source then!

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29 Dec 2019 21:17:53
Yeah i wouldn't see how a striker would impact Sancho's situation. I reckon it'll impact our pursuit or Werner though now that Haaland is of the table for United and others. I am confident it'll be us or United who'll land Sancho though, hopefully it's us! .

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29 Dec 2019 19:26:38
Will united move to Werner now Haalands joined Dortmund, or do they have options, hoping chelsea make him a priority,

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29 Dec 2019 19:59:55
Ed002 has stated Utd have no interest in TW.

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29 Dec 2019 20:17:41
Timo Werner (S) RBL know of the interest of Chelsea who consider TW as a suitable replacement for Giroud. Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Manchester United remain keen - but this could change quickly depending on other targets clubs have - for example if MU were able to sign Haaland then interest in TW would go - equally if other clubs were not able to sign their targets, interest in TW might increase

Ed wrote this some days ago on this page - don't know if he's written otherwise on any other pages, but they've certainly had interest as of very recently.

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester United settled on Haaland and interest in a Striker in January has likely gone now.}

29 Dec 2019 20:29:05
I'd love for us to get Werner next month. He could form a devastating partnership with Tammy up top. If we're looking for a Pedro replacement, he should top the list.

However, it's been widely reported that Werner wants Bayern Munich only. So if that's true, it'd be very hard to get him.

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{Ed0666's Note - I hope you don’t get him he’s a dangerous player and would him to go to a rival.

29 Dec 2019 20:29:18
I would be very very disappointed if we didn’t get him,

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29 Dec 2019 21:19:27
We're not going to get him in January. You're getting very excited.

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29 Dec 2019 21:25:41
Well I stand corrected then - really interesting to hear!
Haven't seen much of Werner, is he actually a good winger as well as a top class striker? Or would we be better off either trying to use him together with Tammy up front or alone up top leading to Abraham becoming second choice?
I honestly think it would be a bit harsh on Abraham if we would make him second choice, and I cannot see why Werner would leave to not be first choice.

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29 Dec 2019 23:14:34
He is a young German striker, his pretty much a young Jamie vardy, Very similar, can play as a wide forward,

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30 Dec 2019 07:09:33
Something between a striker and a winger. He shouldn't be playing striker for a team when there's no space in behind the defensive line. In such cases it'd be better for him to play in a striking partnership or coming from the wing.

He's an excellent goalscorer, with great finishing and intelligent running. He doesn't need the ball at his feet to be effective, which would be refreshing in our squad in my opinion. He's very good at moving without the ball, and that's something we're perhaps missing in our squad.

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29 Dec 2019 19:07:03
I'm so pleased to write that, after all the criticism of Frank's tactical awareness, he saw early what was wrong today and changed it - wwell done, Frankie.

Ps I'll say it quietly but Jorginho had his best game of the season after coming on (although he should have been sent off) .

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29 Dec 2019 19:58:03
It's good to see Frank change it around. His learning every day.

Jorginho made a very good impact.

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29 Dec 2019 19:02:49
I'm pretty sure the authorities will NOT change the VAR rules mid season but this nonsense has to stop.

IMO It's becoming a joke!

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29 Dec 2019 19:59:11
Tom I couldn't agree more mate. These offside decisions are sucking the life out of football. This week has been so poor. Can't believe the decisions.

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29 Dec 2019 20:25:55
Yeah I completely agree. I understand why the have to show consistency with these decisions, but frankly it's killing the game. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the off-side rule is there to prevent attacking players getting an unfair advantage on the defenders, and in most of these cases this week the few millimeters they have been offside, did not give them any advantage whatsoever and would not have impacted the match differently, which is why I think it's frankly ridiculous to call it. Seems like Liverpool once again got lucky with VAR.

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{Ed0666's Note - Rules is rules mate. The wolves player was off so it’s an illegal goal and rightly was chalked off. Everyone and his dog was clamoring for VAR now we have it and finally it’s becoming semi-consistent everyone’s up in arms about it.

29 Dec 2019 20:46:54
I like the term “semi-consistent” it just about sums it up!

Anyway I don’t care about the right and wrong of the decisions but more about how seems to drain away the atmosphere/ energy from a game. If that makes sense.

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29 Dec 2019 22:27:44
Correct me if I'm wrong, but VAR was brought in to clear-up "clear and obvious errors". If an attacker is 0.6mm offside, this is hardly clear and obvious. Just go back to the benefit of the doubt being given to the attacking side.

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29 Dec 2019 16:00:36
that takes some pressure off, slightly, Willian for second goal. brilliant, jorginho lucky to be on the pitch but I think we should of had a penalty, need to get some consistency back. Kante, my word he kept us in that first half,

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29 Dec 2019 16:12:58
Jorginho MOM for me but then some would say I’m biased.

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29 Dec 2019 16:14:47
Got away with 1 but deserved win well done boys.

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29 Dec 2019 16:24:05
What a game, fellas.
Doesn't it just feel nice to get an arguably underserved and very lucky win again? It's been some time since we've had a win like this. Boy have I missed it!

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29 Dec 2019 16:28:55
Why would you say that we didn't deserve it? Completely dominated Arsenal 2nd half. And I felt we minimum deserved the Draw.

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29 Dec 2019 16:58:58
Jorginho played well first time in a long time. He could have been sent off but so could Guendouzi first half so I’d say evens.

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29 Dec 2019 17:03:50
You're right LRD - I just know a few Arsenal fans that complain about the referee and that we got two late goals. But yeah, we totally dominated the second half and also the last part of the first half!
On another note, that referee was shocking! All throughout the game he made the wrong decisions, and while I don't think we got an advantage that Arsenal didn't, I understand their complains. Both Jorginho and Guendouzi lucky to stay on the pitch, and in my opinion Luiz too!

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29 Dec 2019 18:35:39
A midfield trio including Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante is our best source of creativity.

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29 Dec 2019 19:21:18
Lamptey looked good, with high energy and composure, when he came on.

Jorginho obviously excellent, whilst lucky to stay on, and Lampard got it tactically right with the early change. Was also delighted that the Hudson-Odoi change wasn't a like for like with Willian or Mount.

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29 Dec 2019 19:32:36
Game of two halves, we deserved nothing from first half, second we deserved something as a neutral I’d say a draw would of been fair, but I’m not so big 3 points, London’s blue, huge win for frank.

And I said how frank got it wrong last week and was called negative, frank knew after 30min today he’d set up wrong and changed things, it’s a learning curve, he’ll make more mistakes and he will learn, today his changes won that IMO,

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29 Dec 2019 15:49:54
Dortmund get Haaland, not good for us in our pursuit of Werner, United wk
Want him even more so, a bad day getting worse,

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29 Dec 2019 16:13:34
Why is it a bad day Matt?

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29 Dec 2019 16:50:46
Maybe Matt, they are spending the Sancho money already.

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29 Dec 2019 19:24:32
Maybe, we just need some proven class to add to what we have and that’ll take us to next level, sancho Demiral Werner havertz Fernandes ( maybe ) are the Caliber we should be after,

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29 Dec 2019 19:31:26
Ed said that we are interested in Werner but so are other teams, Manchester United being one but there main target is Haaland . If they don’t get him there focus would possibly move to Werner.

Lampard always talks about wanting players to run behind, Werner is that man, willing runner, hard worker, goalscorer, lighting fast, so much like vardy, can play wider, in a two or on his own; would be my number one target mate, getting my hopes up to be honest;

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29 Dec 2019 15:32:25
I've seen more energy in ten minutes from Lamptey than what I've seen from Alonso, Emerson and Azpilicueta all season. He maybe young but he's a proper full back and energetic. Why can't we do the same with Maatsen on the left because it's a bit of a problem position right now!

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29 Dec 2019 15:52:12
Mate we were on front foot, there is where James is stronf too. But let's see when he needs to defend.

Also he came with fresh legs against tired opponents.

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29 Dec 2019 16:01:21
All my fellow posters know how highly I’ve rated Lamptey but as he signed a new contract?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

29 Dec 2019 15:54:05
He wants to leave, I’m sure ed has mention him before saying his going?

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29 Dec 2019 15:58:01
I'm sure one of the Ed's said a while back he won't be signing a new deal and his deal runs out June 2020.

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29 Dec 2019 16:10:51
That’s a shame, he has always looked a talent.

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29 Dec 2019 16:16:57
Maybe it might change if he is going to get game time.

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29 Dec 2019 16:18:57
Well that's a real shame, because he looked like an absolute boss for us today!
Especially since clubs - as far as I know? - can talk with players 6 months prior to the expiration date of the player's contract. Perhaps him making his debut one month ago and getting some playing time after could have made him want to stay?
At least, I hope that he might change his mind - thought he looked really good today!

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea are not going to pander to players. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract he can see what other options there are.}

29 Dec 2019 16:24:41
Very interesting Ed. Thanks for your insight.

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29 Dec 2019 16:26:37
Don't really know the word pander, but after looking it up in the dictionary, pandering him is definitely not what I would want the club to do, assuming that I have understood the word correctly! (I assume pandering as in playing with him only to make him sign and then stop using him again? ) - I just thought he played really well, and might deserve to get a bit more game time!

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{Ed002's Note - It means to indulge.}

29 Dec 2019 16:46:55
Lamptey did look good, but as Ed said if Lamptey wants to see what other options are available, then there's little the club can do. You shouldn't start playing players because they threaten to leave or whatever. It should always be based on merit.

That said, last season it looked like Castillo would leave too, but then suddenly in June (I think it was June) he decided to sign on at Chelsea after all. It's not over until it's happened, but I'd understand him looking elsewhere, especially with Reece also playing right back and only being a year older or so.

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29 Dec 2019 16:52:47
Good points Jackson but he has played out wide as well.

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29 Dec 2019 17:05:31
I agree Jackson, and I did not mean that we should use him and be taken hostage! All I meant was that perhaps his performance warrants more playing time, and that him playing a few more games might change his mind!

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29 Dec 2019 15:01:04
Woeful performance so far in that first half. Lethargic, no intensity and our passing has been horrendous again, especially those cross field balls from the CB's.

We all love Frank and want him to succeed, but we can't keep changing system half way through the first half. There's no consistency and our defense are just being shuffled around constantly. I'm not saying we shouldn't have changed system in that first half as clearly it was needed, but we just have to find a system and stick to it.

We at least got a foot hold into the game at the end of the first half, here's hoping we can see a much better second half performance.

C'mon Chelsea!

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29 Dec 2019 16:20:42
It's a shame that Frank didn't get his tactics right and that we had to change systems that early. I feel sorry for Emerson, but boy did he not have the nicest attitude going off - not that I blame him there, he is after all human.
But I love that we've now got a boss with the balls to change when stuff isn't working. His proactivity today and a big pinch of luck got us the victory!

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29 Dec 2019 11:40:51
Hoping that we'll see our players full of motivation and spirit today.
I think we should line up in a 3-4-3, and in my opinion, AC should be our central centerback. That's his best position, and I think it could be an indication as to wether he's good enough or not.
Preferably Alonso as left wingback, Emerson if he's still injured. Kante and Kovacic as central midfielders.
I think the really tough question is who starts out of Pulisic, Willian and Mount. Regardless, Arsenal seem pretty vulnerable at their full/ wingback positions, and we should aim to take advantage of this weakness!

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