Chelsea Banter Archive August 28 2015

28 Aug 2015 19:15:33
Ed002 I'm begging you for an update. I will give £5 to a charity of your choice for one.

pleeeease

this doesn't undermine what ed018 is doing we all think you are great

28 Aug 2015 20:18:27
I don't understand Everton fans. stones isn't even a local lad he's from Barnsley for crying out loud.sure they've helped him develop and improve but the price were paying covers that and he personally doesn't owe them anything.ridiculous behaviour more fitting of the fans of their beloved red neighbours lost a lot of respect for Everton over this unnecessary to say. the least.

28 Aug 2015 22:30:24
Not to mention Martinez was happy to leave a relegated Wigan to further his career at a better club.

28 Aug 2015 23:22:38
ye it seems like there must be something else to it I just don't see what the fuss is about I feel a hint of jealousy at our financial power

28 Aug 2015 23:53:10
Definitely bluekaz that's all it is I didn't have a problem with Everton untill all this rubbish started to be fair I hope they get relegated now. And to be honest I don't want stones anymore nothing to do with stones think he's done all he can to try and better himself but they have put a stop to it. Now depending on all the abuse the so called respectful Everton fans have gave him why would you want to perform for them. I hope we get him next year for half the price or less when there hopefully struggling to stay in league. They think it's good business do Everton fans think he's not going to want to leave in January I wouldn't bet on it. Silly

29 Aug 2015 08:14:55
This is why you are the joint most hated Club and fans in the country with Liverpool, so up your own backsides you can't see daylight. I apologise on my beloved football clubs behalf for not agreeing to sell Stones to the all mighty world superpower that is Chelsea, we should have been so honoured that you came in late in the window with derisory bids, we should have been so honoured that your Manager the special one (cough cough) ordered Cahill and Wheres ye wife Terry to openly discuss and unsettle the lad, we should have bowed down and kussed your feet when you came knocking at our door.

Remember you were like us before RA came in with the Billions, come down off your pedestal and stop embarrassing yourselves, money can't buy you everything, certainly not class

29 Aug 2015 09:32:28
In this case Murf, a lack of money certainly isn't showering you club in class. You lot are becoming more and more laughable. Derisory offers? let's see what he ends up being sold for, before you decide that he is worth the world.

While we may not be the most loved club in England, this is why you are so useless when it comes to success. You waste £28m on a player with a known attitude problem, you hire a manager with a history of being useless in the league, and hold players against there will, who end up going backwards.

How has old Bainesy played since you rejected Uniteds offer? You would be lucky to get £10m and a pair of JT's jocks for him now.

Maybe in future you'll think twice before coming on another clubs page, throwing your toys out of the pram, and showing as much class as Kerry Catona at an AA meeting.

Enjoy mediocracy mate, cause you're club is destined to wallow in it for your entire life.

29 Aug 2015 12:47:56
murf I know how you feel back in the day it was you and Liverpool who were on top but not anymore contain your jealousy at the fact that you are no longer even considered a Europa league club and enjoy scrapping for mid to lower table places it's the most you could hope for and enjoy seeing John stones never reach his potential like he could at Chelsea playing at the highest level

28 Aug 2015 16:26:47
What do people think of Nainggolan as a player? He could be a good option. He seems to be a good all round midfield player who also possesses a good long range shot.

{Ed018's Note - good player. Think he'd fit in perfect at Chelsea}

28 Aug 2015 16:32:53
I think he would complement Matic really well. Not a physical presence but he is quite a stocky lad. Another Belgian too.

28 Aug 2015 17:10:38
Would be absolutely perfect if he was 6ft tall. That said he can do quite a bit.

28 Aug 2015 21:09:37
He maybe is a bit short, but his playing style is very very physical. He's about as tenacious as they come. Like a pitbull on the pitch. Very good player IMO.

28 Aug 2015 21:27:44
Think he just signed a new contract with Roma.

28 Aug 2015 21:36:19
Miralem pjanic or veratti if pogba doesn't work out. Or both and get rid of mikel.

28 Aug 2015 11:40:10
Any predictions for the palace game?
score?
line up?
scorers?
I have a feeling the Eiffel tower will be mentioned in todays conference as well as comment which makes everton seem a small club.
what time is the conference?

28 Aug 2015 12:29:13
Rahman to come in at LB, Azpilicueta on the right. Zouma to start in place of Cahill again.

Fabregas and Matic to carry on, out of form, in the middle. Willian to keep his place with Oscar, if fit, on the bench.

RLC will also see some game time too.

28 Aug 2015 13:06:50
I bet you a weeks silence on this page that zouma won't come in for cahill.

28 Aug 2015 13:26:04
So Zouma and Iva at the back then ;-/

28 Aug 2015 13:34:59
Yeah, what with Terry banned and all, a Zouma Ivanovic CB pairing seems kinda unecassary.

Hoping we are in control enough for a youngster to get minutes, but with the way we have been defending lately that seems to be wishful thinking :/

28 Aug 2015 13:45:09
cahill and zouma for sure.
has rahman even got a squad number yet?

28 Aug 2015 14:33:45
Number 6

28 Aug 2015 17:38:34
You make one little mistake!

28 Aug 2015 19:59:43
If Oscar is fit he should start ahead of Willian in the #10 role as he's athr much better play maker and in his lone half of football appears to be inform. He's also, imo, our best freekick taker. I agree with all the rest.

28 Aug 2015 08:50:48
Hey Eds, any truth in us moving for Zhang Linpeng? Never heard of him myself.

{Ed018's Note - I've never heard of him either}

28 Aug 2015 11:05:53
I've got to feel sorry for you Ed's that's the full A-Z now, Aranguiz to Zhang you have had to endure. A little homework and you can eliminate them yourself without asking. Far Eastern players are right up Spurs street!

28 Aug 2015 13:33:32
Not sure how confident I am that we will get Pogba.
However Chelsea have proved over quite a few years that they know what they are doing in the transfer market. So I trust that they will do what is right for the club.

I would be over the Moon if we signed him but if we don't ,then we don't . Onwards and upwards.

27 Aug 2015 23:46:13
What do people think of Abdennour of Monaco as a Stones alternative? He's not long turned 26 and he's been an absolute rock for them. At 6"2 he combines pace and power very well and is ferocious in the tackle as a CB. He is also a left footed CB something which we wouldn't have when Terry retires.

28 Aug 2015 01:30:25
Good Shout!

28 Aug 2015 09:29:53
Agree with that shout, would also like to throw Stefan De Vrij into the ring, really good defensive player who is a real aerial threat and Lazio not getting into the CL group stages might make him available!
(Anyone see the reports linking us to the 'Chinese Sergio Ramos' Zhang Linpeng?!)

28 Aug 2015 09:33:27
Saw that cfc, very good piece of business if he can make the matchday squad for UCL and play a big part in cup games/ friendlies. I would like to guess at the shirt sales, would legit be up there with hazard.

28 Aug 2015 10:24:21
True plus we might unearth a gem, after all did anyone know about Azpilicueta before we signed him? Marcelo Lippi who is a decent judge of character also apparently rates him!

28 Aug 2015 10:57:20
Shirt sales will be meaningless if not purchased through the official avenues. And I'm of the impression, most in China wouldn't be.

This is probably the thing most people bang on about, when it really has little impact on what a club generates. We just assume, a player is from a country and that country will buy lots of merchandise, so it will make the club lots of cash. When in reality people buy the shirts from sports shops etc, and the club sees nothing

28 Aug 2015 11:23:46
Melbourne whilst what your saying makes some sort of sense that's not true at all. I don't have any figures or stats about this but raising the profile of Chelsea around the world seems to have been a massive part of what we have been doing through media and tours since RA took over. now china must have over a billion people living there, England has what 50 million? i'd be inclined to say that shirt sales from china make more money than those in the UK. yes, I agree a lot won't be purchased through an official vendor however even if 1 in 20 do they will make a hell of a lot more cash. i'd also guess that Chelsea TV will be purchased by more Asian people than European.

28 Aug 2015 11:35:04
What you have to remember Melbourne, while that is true re. The club not getting money from shirts directly if sold through sports shops, if we suddenly sell 20 million new shirts in China, this surely must put us in a stronger position the next time out kit manufacturer (and sponsorship too, I guess?) deals are up for renegotiation.
Of course, both have been recently renegotiated, I think(?) but still worth considering.

Not quite as prolific in my posting as some of the returning people used to be, but I've been around for five or so years thought I'd post again with other returning members.

28 Aug 2015 12:34:52
Good to see you back Rowey. I have no doubt it will have some impact on what a shirt sponsor will offer in negotiations, but if you look at the differential between club a to club b, the amounts offered do not make a huge difference to the clubs finances. We may be able to purchase a mid level player extra, once a year. It does not have a major effect.

WhoNeedsHistory - Chinas entire population won't become Chelsea supporters. Possibly one in 20 would. Probably one in 50, if we are being realistic. Of those one in 50, do you think 5% (one in 20) would pay extra to go through the official avenues, or most likely 10-20% would buy shirts from sports shops, and the vast majority would buy cheap knock offs, which still contain everything that makes it seem like an official shirt? Leaving maybe 1% or a percentage of 1% to buy through the official club shop. Then look at the Yen compared to the Pound and work out what it would cost to get a shirt. While its nice to assume their culture is in any way similar to the UK, in reality, most live on relatively low incomes. The vast majority also don't speak English. So can't see Chelsea TV making a massive impact in China.

I'm just being realistic. And when you look at clubs finances, from shirt sales, even when its an international player from a highly populated country, the impact is far from what you'd assume it to be. there's a reason Ed002 has told anyone who cared to listen, for years, that shirt sales make very little difference.

28 Aug 2015 13:21:20
Article below shows a good indication into the difference an Asian player would make on finances. whilst not much it still helps. also, having a couple million more fans never harms.

Ji-sung Park's South Korean fans ads to finances of Man Utd
http://goo.gl/n7Z8L

28 Aug 2015 14:06:34
I'm not argueing it won't help. As a said we will be able to buy a mid tier player, once a year, maybe. So the impact would be very little. And sorry mate, but an article from the daily fail, with quotes from a taxi driver, no quotes from sponsors and no official figures, as 'multi millions' isn't an actual number, does nothing to sway my opinion.

It will not add any significance to Chelsea. Add to it Park actually played a role at MU, and this Chinese bloke won't qualify for a permit, let alone get a game, if the reports of a deal are even true, and you have even less reason to believe he will add value.

I even read on WAGNH, that we can avoid the permit problems by paying a higher fee and wages. How ridiculous is that. We overpay for a player, who is nowhere near good enough, so that he is eligable to play for a team he won't be good enough to get into! Takes fantasy transfer business to a new level. Although it doesn't surprise me from that source.

28 Aug 2015 21:20:04
Great discussion I really enjoyed reading that. I agree mostly with you Melbourne in this particular case because while every team wants to and tries to break into the Chinese market, as they are becoming the world's largest economy and boast it's largest population, you're right that we would need the right type of player, a good to great impactful player to really capitalize. However I think you underestimate a little the value of an additional even 100 million people(less than 10% of China's population) walking around in a Chelsea kit, no matter how they got it, or trying to watch a Chelsea match to see their favorite player. Again you're right that kit sales wouldn't be that significant but companies in that largely untapped market would be lining up for sponsorship and partnership deals to put Chelsea's name and logo on stuff. Chelsea's brand, worldwide status and value would increase as the club makes a lot of money off the pitch.

28 Aug 2015 21:27:33
I don't think that language would be an issue either as I would watch Chelsea play each week on a Chinese broadcast every week, if that was my only option, with the sound off. If fact there have been quite a few away matches the last few seasons where the commentators were so biased and negative towards Chelsea, I had to mute the sound to finish watching those matches anyway lol.

29 Aug 2015 01:02:24
Once again, I think your overestimating the impact. China is far from a 'largely untapped market. Figures released suggest that upwards of 300m people in China already watch the Premier League on a consistent basis. Of those 300m its predicted around half are United supporters.

I really can't see this having a major impact on us. Would be nice if we could get Ed002 to help confirm or deny the type of impact it would have, but that seems unlikely, so I think we will have to agree to disagree and wait and see, if a Chinese player ever makes the move and gets into the team.

29 Aug 2015 14:45:47
Ok mate I get your point and you seem to have more info on the subject than I do, good discussion though.