Chelsea Banter Archive October 27 2012

27 Oct 2012 23:25:26
Former Real Madrid president Florentino Perez once described what Makelele did, but obviously had no clue about the role's necessity and effectiveness in what was a fantastic Real Madrid team. In reality, it's because of Makelele that the likes of Zidane, McManaman, and Raul could attack with freedom.
He infamously ranted, "We will not miss Makelele. His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and ninety percent of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways. He wasn't a header of the ball and he rarely passed the ball more than three metres. Younger players will arrive who will cause Makelele to be forgotten." Was he really talking about Makelele or Mikel?

What are you trying to point out?

His point is obvious, Mikel is bad and Makelele is good.

I think he's trying to compare Mikel to Makelele. From reading what Perez said about Makelele, one could mistake him for talking about Mikel. Therefore indicating that Mikel can't be as bad as most people portray him as if he could be compared to Makelele.

That florentino Perez is completely clueless, although I'm not sure what relevance that has here!

To me it's a pointless statement either comparing or trying to say he's not that bad. Mikel will never be on the same wave length as Claude was. Did anyone not notice how protected our defence was against any team. Our defence are never protected with Mikel in front. Mikel and Makellele both pass the ball side to side but claude never held onto the ball for so long the other teams out outfield players all get back to defend. When do you ever see Mikel make a breathtaking last ditch tackle, or Mikel read the game so well that the other team run out of ideas. Even shakier said Mikel was the weak point so they exploited it. And they did. When would you ever see Makellele lose possession in stupid areas to concede a goal. This makes me angry a post like this. I've always said when Mikel and Claude get compared is the day I'd go mad. Unbelievable. Mikel shouldn't get a new contract let alone play ahead of Romeu. People say he played well for making a few blocks and forward pass. Essien use to do this but then get slated for being to old. At least he would score a few goals. Mikel should be at a team like spurs or inter or Napoli. Not a top European club. BLUEBOY1

27 Oct 2012 19:58:18
A start for Sturridge tomorrow?Wouldnt be bad with his pace...

With UTD's defence not being good and bit rusty I think Torres movement would be best, think it'll be our forward 3 mata hazard Oscar V there front 2, roo n rvp
I think 3-2 to us, u?

I reckon 4 1 to us. Luiz, ramires,Oscar, Torres. And rvp for them. BLUEBOY1

If torres scores today he would equal his goal scoring record in the premier league last season

27 Oct 2012 16:10:11
What about this team vs United?

Cech

Azpilicueta*Cahill*Luiz*Cole

Ramires*Romeu

Hazard*Oscar*Mata

Torres

As much as I'd love Azpilicueta to get a start mate, it is far fetched to think it will come against United. A lot is riding on this game and I doubt RDM will try anything out of the ordinary.

Cech
Ivan Cahill Luiz cole
Rami Mikel
Mata Oscar hazard
Torres

I wouldn't expect to see anything new.

Melbourne CFC

We need brana and mikel in there

We don't Mikel at all let alone in this game.

27 Oct 2012 14:09:54
Why is it a must to sell Torres if Falcao comes?With Cole,Lampard and Terry all facing the exit door soon and the 3-4-3 formation becoming more popular again i was thinking what about this:

---------Cech---------

-Ivanovic-Cahill-Luiz

---------Mikel--Oscar---
Ramires--------------Hazard

-------------Mata------------
-------Falcao---Torres-------

*Youve got you're athletic players wide of the pitch (Hazard and Ramires)

*Youve got you're two most creative players in the middle of the field with the ball winner Mikel moving around and just playing simple passes to them(Oscar and mata)

*Youve got a hard working striker thats excellent on the ball along with the top no.9 in europe what better combinations are there?

*Youve got 3 mobile cb's with Luiz and Ivanovic on the right and left who both have experience in the rb and lb positions and can move in easily

*My last statement is that a 3 man defence is originally italian and what nation is our manager from?

Think about it and comment guys?

Switzerland

Ramires our best central player so it doesn't make sense to me to start playing him wide again. But essentially playing a 4231 we still sort of play a 343 basically our best attacking wing back attacks COLE, and ivanovic stays back with Cahill, luiz. Only when attacking cole moves along side the two defenceive midfielder say ramires Romeu, with cole when attacking joining these two. Also Oscar drops quite deep leaving a front 3 of mata hazard Torres.

When we attack we line up like this.
Cech
Ivan Cahill luiz
Oscar ramires Romeu cole
Mata Torres hazard

But as soon as possession is lost just simply drop back to

Cech
Ivan luiz Cahill cole
Ramires Romeu
Oscar
Mata Torres hazard

Original poster that's a joke hazard is not a left wing back haha

Blue con

I know Hazard isn't a Left wingback thats why he's playing as a left mid.

That is very wrong what u posted on when we attack.

when we attack:

--------------Cech-------

-----------Cahill-Luiz----

-------Ramires---Mikel-------

Iva.----------Oscar----------Cole

------Mata--Torres--Hazard-----


*Cole and iva provide the width with oscar in behind the front 3 of torres,hazard and mata who the rotate in a free form.

*this the allows us to play with a narrow "back 4"of cahill and luis who will sit back and provide cover and Mikel and Ramires who will press the ball up field and win possession back as soon as we loose it while cole and iva track back to defend the oppositions wide players.

*When we push for goals Ramires will then move in alongside Oscar who will then also advance at times and Hazard and mata will then rotate into the middle at times and we will the have the back 3 of cahill luis and mikel playing as a stopper in front of them.

*Torres likes to drop deep into the pocket and collect the ball in midfield then u will see hazard and mata advance beyond him at times.

THIS IS FROM THE ORIGINAL POST I SET UP THE FORMATION FOR WHEN FALCAO JOINS AND TORRES STAYS THAT TORRES DOESNT SIT ON THE BENCH AGAIN IT ISNT THE FORMATION I RECOMMENDED WE PLAY!

What I was saying is what we could do to still sort of play a 3 4 3 even though starting a 4231. I know how we play. Just saying. BLUEBOY1

If we played with 3 at the back with no wing backs we would leave so much room for wingers to attack us.

Blue Con

We won't because with that formation we will defend double as soon as we loose possession and the with of the team will be much wider.

Do you love Torres too much to see that its obvious that if Falcao gets bought he is done?

I don't love Torres but the owner does and i doubt that he will be looking to sell him!I think even RDM would rather want him to leave but the owner is obsessed with Fernando

27 Oct 2012 09:49:23
Team for united

CECH
IVAN LUIZ CAHILL COLE
MIKEL LAMPARD
RAMI MATA BETRAND
TORRES

we have to avoid their fast players

BILLY

Lampard is injured!

Jim132

Whilst your at it you may aswell take Torres and Mata off and put Romeu and Cesar on. That should sure it up abit more so that we don't concede to their amazingly talented attacking team. God forbid we actually have a go at them at our home ground and try and win.

OsgoodIsKing

Billy brilliant idea lets drop Oscar and hazard, play ramire on the wing and play an injured lampard. I hope you take RDM place one day. BLUEBOY1

I think Billy's having another go at comedy ;)
Marley

Cesar Luiz Cahill cole
Ramires mikel
Mata Oscar hazard
Torres
Mata hazard Oscar all swapping and Ramires joining in when we have ball, I think cesar as he is quick but I think ivanovic will start, mattm

Ok so avoid their fast player by selecting a injured player alongside mikel in midfield?

27 Oct 2012 09:40:54
I hate the fact that JT is out for a couple of weeks but its a blessing in disguise because Cahill and Luiz will get some game time together.

On our two holding midfielders:
The way I see it if we play Rami and Mikel one should work primarily with the defence (Mikel defending in front of them) and one should work with the forwards (Rami defending behind them), obviously both should be helping cut balls out etc.

What we need to work on:
The "spaces" between Cahill and Luiz. The space left behind Iva when he goes forward, Oscar does a great job in tracking back when Iva goes forward but I think Rami should slide back in that position and Oscar slides back in Rami's position so that we still keep our shape because if Iva loses the ball Rami will be in the RB position to win the ball back, if rami wins back the ball he can pass to Oscar and we can start a new attack, if he doesn't but manges to stall the other team Iva has enough time to recover and slot back into defence.

Zen11

I have read three reports this week showing Mikel is our weak link, one fom shakhter player fernidinho. One from journalised(comparing Mikel with other defencive midfielders.) and one from giggs. I just can't stand the way he plays. And even professionals see this.

Could you link those reports, i would really like to read them please?

26 Oct 2012 23:56:19
We have a good squad, but let's not be too carried away; we're a team in transition. We'll do badly atimes, but let's keep d faith, support the team and in two yrs time when d rebuilding must have gelled, we'll be world beaters.

Bas!cs.