Chelsea Banter Archive August 27 2015

27 Aug 2015 22:47:11
Controversial post:

To all the Everton fans regarding Chelsea interest in John stones.
You bought John stones 3 seasons ago from a lower division team for 3m was he just after the money then?
He has been with Everton a few years but would be a traitor to leave them (surely he was more if a traitor when he joined you from his boyhood club)
People with ambition will always try to reach for the top which in Football is joining a top club and winning trophies. I do not understand how a Football fan cannot understand that.

27 Aug 2015 23:10:13
That is one way of looking at it I suppose Spearce. But that is from the fans perspective of the team that wants to buy him. Our stance is from a totally different view point. When we put a bid in for him he was already on the way to sign for Wigan, we matched their bid so we could enter talks. But I totally understand your argument.
From an EFC perspective, the lad signed a 5 year deal and, up until a day before your first offer, he was interviewed saying how happy he was with us. No doubt his head has been turned by your manager and a few players talking about him in the press, which most of us blues found disrespectful and is the reason why we wanted our board not to enter talks with you. The reality of the situation is that we are already 2 CB's down from the summer and we have little time to adequately replace JS before the window closes. If we sold him then we would have to rely on youth and that is far from ideal, especially since RM is under the microscope after a bad season last year. Selling one of our top young players would compound that and leave us fighting at the wrong end of the table imo. If he has a good season then he will have a few clubs sniffing round him in the summer, you will just have to fight it out with them come the end of the season!

27 Aug 2015 23:30:30
As An Everton fan, I think Chelsea's approach to buying Stones has been all wrong. Mourinho is too arrogant and assumes that he can throw his cash at anyone and they will give in. I think a more professional approach would have been more productive. In normal circumstances, a £30m bid for Stones would have been accepted, but not from a club with Chelsea's attitude - loads of cash but not much class. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he ended up at Man U - far more professional in the way they do things. You may think Chelsea are big time now, but look at your history books - you have a lot of catching up to do in terms of winning trophies and of gaining respect from the football community. I like the way you play on the field but off it, not so good.

27 Aug 2015 23:35:18
Spudv: but you were happy for Martinez to spend last summer talking up Lukaku to EFC whenever possible and happy to let your players wax lyrical about that prospect? But when it happens to one of your players suddenly it becomes unfair?

28 Aug 2015 00:47:56
CFC, last year you were getting rid of Rom so there is no comparison to be made. Didn't hear RM talk about it in the way you seem to remember though, maybe when we were given the green light that he was available. I never said it was unfair, I said it was disrespectful.

28 Aug 2015 01:22:36
How about all you Everton fans mind your own business as you bought Lukaku from us and he has done wonders for you and now it's a double standard cause we want stones and you not letting him go is going to bite you in the butt as you will see his lack of play the next few months till the next transfer window where we or Man U get him and this is a fact! This happens in every sport and it's about time fans realize that the bigger teams always win so just let the player be happy and unfortunately this is the way it is

28 Aug 2015 02:02:29
To be fair Rom was going end of the day his attitude and his ability doesn't quite make it at Chelsea so I will give you that comment we were selling him.
But PIPS coming on with all this look at your history yes ok it's important in away were clubs come from and what you've won but get with the times football is about NOW it's a trophy winning business now, being up there with the best players want to be playing against the best teams in the world barca real juventus Munich challenging for all trophies not just hoping for a gud run in fa cup and only getting to play these sides in pre season friendlys but I tell you what Everton will be able to bring world class stars in to Everton because they have the attraction of sitting in a board room talking about there history. While Chelsea compete on all top levels and try to make history. Keep stones for me and will buy him for less next year if he's not happy he will not be at his best why would u keep someone that doesn't want to be there

28 Aug 2015 02:35:28
Spudv and Pips congrats to your club on that win, well played and time will tell how that works out for Everton. That said, you both have some nerve coming to our site to sell your BS propaganda about about what offended you lot. What is disrespectful about answering a question.
Reporter - John Terry we understand a bid has has been tabled by your club for a young English player who just happens to play your same position, John Stones, may I just ask you what you think of him as a player and his potential? What is he supposed to answer? Gary Cahill you actually trained with him on the national team, same question.
I'm assuming it went something like that because that's what media does.
Players and managers compliment others teams players every week in interviews before and after matches and yet it's only viewed as tapping up when an offer is on the table.
The only disrespectful aspect of this whole ordeal imo, is the way Everton wasted about a month and 1/2 of our time misleading us into thinking they would sell for the right offer as they kept moving up their valuation when they could have stopped us in our tracks from day one and we would have moved on and signed someone else. That is why I'm congratulating you lot on playing us, now that our business has concluded you can piss off our site and crawl back to your mid table hole.

28 Aug 2015 03:37:49
bluelab, I was answering a post from one of your fellow supporters which is what tends to happen on these types of sites. You came in and gave your opinion, I replied to your comment. Not that I need to justify being on this page but the subject concerns both clubs. Don't see why you are so hostile?
I'm sure that I speak for all Evertonians when I humbly apologise for wasting your time! How rude of us to not let you get what you want because you flashed your cash! Come on man, it's a banter site don't get so angry

28 Aug 2015 09:32:13
Top post Bluelab, let's face it whatever Cahill had said would rile them up, if he has said he didn't rate Cahill Martinez would probably be ranting about how that was even more disrespectful!

28 Aug 2015 11:43:35
Sorry should be rate Stones!

27 Aug 2015 19:10:19
Bill Kenwright said in a statement on the club's official website: "Everton Football Club has rejected a transfer request from John Stones.

"Since the start of the transfer window, we have resolutely turned down offers from another Premier League football club for our player.

"John is not for sale and he will remain a highly valued member of our first team squad."

27 aug 2015 18:17:47
apart from having to do about 10,000 miles in travels . champions league group stage for chelsea fc shouldnt be too worrying . now we can finish our transfer deals and get our season in top gear

btw . come end of transfer window

we will have very good set of yokohama tyres for the 2015/16,

we will decide when to park the bus or not

27 Aug 2015 17:44:25
Good group for us that. Only negative two long journeys. Hopefully get it wrapped up early and give the likes of Aina, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy and Traore some game time.

27 Aug 2015 17:53:06
Hopefully!

27 Aug 2015 16:51:49
If Pogba were to join Chelsea

27 Aug 2015 14:34:40
Hello Ed018, I know the club is trying to complete a deal for Stones, in your honest opinion do you it will be completed especially going by Martinez's comment from last night? Have a good day.

{Ed018's Note - I have no idea}

27 Aug 2015 14:08:05
No goals in the first three games for Hazard I hope he finds his scoring boots against Palace I'm expecting 25 goals from him in all comps this season.

27 Aug 2015 14:45:06
I don't know about 25+ goals but I am sure that he will improve through season as well as other first team players.
Relatively poor start means nothing there are 35 games left to play.

27 Aug 2015 15:50:55
More like 55 more games hopefully.

27 Aug 2015 18:10:26
I was talking about PL only.

27 Aug 2015 12:36:14
I would say the chance of getting pogba and stones are zero at this rate . aside from all that transfer talk how good was pedro Sunday hopefully hel wake fabregas up and put back on his magic hat 😀😀❤️

27 Aug 2015 12:47:59
at this rate?

27 Aug 2015 15:27:32
Just seems both will be extremely difficult can't see either happening

27 Aug 2015 16:26:18
we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I am confident we will sign a couple of players.

27 Aug 2015 10:24:09
long tine reader

New to posting

TBH want your thoughts on our youth system?

I know it's a balancing act bringing up kids into the first team but I just do not see Jose as the type of manager who has the patience or the belief in them to into the team and play them regularly

He reverts back to type and plays his old tried and tested
The only kid he ever had any belief in was Sam Hutchinson who I believe would have been a chelsea captain of the future had he stayed fit ind injury free

since then he has shown No continued belief in any young player

Most of our youth get lost out on loan and see little way back
Mouriniho stated that if RLC and others are NOT playing for England in a few years he has failed

I think RLC will be lucky if he plays more than a few games for chelsea in the next few years let alone england
We have the BEST crop of youngsters in the uk in the academy system ATM ( proved by our last 6 years ) performance
Just not getting the best out of it

Anyone's thoughts?

27 Aug 2015 11:33:59
I understand your lack of faith in jose bringing through the youth however in regards to RLC, get a grip. its not just Chelsea's youth system which is not being utilized to the uneducated fans expectation right now. Southampton and Spurs at a push are the only teams in the top half of the league who are managing. England is just so far behind compared to Spanish and German football right now leaving no choice but to import for mid table and top end clubs who wish to compete in England.

Just my view.

27 Aug 2015 12:38:11
The stakes are higher than they've ever been before, and the fact is that you have to be world class to break into any of the top teams with any regularity. Teams like Southampton and Spurs can't compete financially with us, City or any of the other top teams and as such it's probably more finically viable to invest in their youth team. We've invested in our youth system, and it's as strong as it's ever been but the gap between the youth team and the first team is probably as wide as it's ever been too. I think we have players, such as RLC, in there who will become first team regulars and players, such as Baker, who will be very good EPL players but probably not at the level Chelsea are looking for.

27 Aug 2015 14:48:18
The issue is people aren't satisfied until it's an English guy who started at the academy at a young age in our first team. The issue is how many players from the UK are capable of breaking into our first team at the moment? I'll put it to you like this in a scenario. Chelsea are tied in the 60th minute of the game and want to make a substitution that will help score the winning goal. Would you rather substitute a full international such as Willian or a promising kid that's come to our academy but not yet proven at this level such as boga. Jose is a results manager and always will be. People don't care how many youngsters Shankley brought through at Liverpool, they care how many trophies he won.

27 Aug 2015 09:53:51
Whilst we wait the conclusion to the Pogba/Stones saga here is something to mull over.
We have had the second report of Diego Costa wanting to return to AM, it may not be him it may be his family but I think there is merit in the story because I believe he was coerced into joining us as AM needed cash at the time. What would the reaction be if Costa was traded for Griezmann next summer ignoring any adjustment one way or another? With Costa there is the on-going hamstring issue and the constant threat of suspension because of his temperament versus the potential for twenty goals. With Griezmann you have a totally different type of player but in the scoring form of his life from range, in the box and with his head.

27 Aug 2015 10:11:00
Griezmann scored an amazing and unexpected amount of goals last season - let's see if he can repeat it. Remember Clive Allen scoring 49 in a season - and that was that for him.

27 Aug 2015 10:26:40
Can't lose Costa

27 Aug 2015 11:04:47
Good question, if Costa has anoth injury plagued season then I would say yes. And I'm going to throw this out there putting my neck on the line. I would replace him with Lukaku, the guy is a beast and is getting better and better every season. If he continues to improve at the current rate he will be a star in the next year or so. I know he has attitude problems before, but people grow up and I'm sure he has matured somewhat. Watching Everton, he is outstanding at holding the ball up and bringing others into play and can score too. He could be a real asset for us. I would be happy to have him back.

27 Aug 2015 11:19:42
Blue: Lukaku will never happen and boy do some of you love the word 'beast' to describe a player. Personally I think he over rates himself and certainly does not score enough and that attitude he has always had has causes him so many fall outs he is probably treated by many with caution. Another injury plagued season would not help us with Costa as it would seriously impact his value.

27 Aug 2015 11:32:18
Mrs Costa: You love those old players. Not true "that was that for him". Yes, that was an exceptional season but he average marginally over a goal every 2 games throughout his 418 match career including 21 in 30 games when in France. That scoring history would be difficult to beat by any modern player.

27 Aug 2015 11:38:45
Lukaku is the focal point of a team which aims to have there striker scoring by far the majority of there goals. he averages around a goal in every other game for everton. not good enough for us if we are to compete for trophies. also, skilfully he is worse than mikel. pros - strength, pace, heading + finishing. cons - touch, link up play, Lack of a brain + attitude.

there aren't many young strikers in the league I can envisage wearing blue in the future. mitrovic? if he channels his aggression correctly and works hard at the toon.

27 Aug 2015 12:04:58
Lukaku would be second or third choice striker if he was with us currently. I don't see how he would be an adequate replacement if Costa were to leave. He may improve marginally this season but as Whoneedshistory has pointed out, he has a shocking touch, and other than pace and strength doesn't offer a whole lot. Not to mention we pulled Evertons pants down on the fee we got, and they would be looking for close to £40m in return.

I wouldn't want Greizman either. Not as a replacement. We don't play beautiful, pass amd move football. We play direct, and need a strong target man. Benzema or Lewandowski would be my choices. Both would be possible, I think. Greizman would be worth getting, but we would need to change the way we play, or have him playing off the striker as a second striker, or an advanced no.10.

27 Aug 2015 12:26:00
I think lukaku is pants

27 Aug 2015 12:39:18
I think you'll see Greizmann and Costa at Chelsea next year.

27 Aug 2015 14:03:48
Frensham, just checked the record - you're right - he even scored 7 in 16 for us - amazing record. Change the example to Robert Fleck - great goalscoring record with Rangers and Norwich. and then he came to us!

27 Aug 2015 14:31:17
Diego Costa will not leave Chelsea in next 3-4 years at least. What is the point of this conversion? Lukaku was sold and he won't be back.Was it mistake to not the time will show.
Anyway this soap opera will end on Tuesday, we can only hope that Chelsea will sign Pogba and Stones.

27 Aug 2015 14:35:28
J: Going out on a limb here, I do not think there is any chance Costa will be with us next year. If I could change anything it is the football we play, I would like us to play pass and move football at pace with a Drogba type target man, good with both feet and good in the air. I am not sure what we are trying at present as this tippy tap stuff in front of a packed defence is not getting us anywhere, lots of possession, few goals. I have always been a fan of Lewendowski and would be more than happy if we got hold of him. I was not advocating Griezmann as a replacement as such for Costa but part of a deal with AM.

27 Aug 2015 14:54:58
Lukaku is incredibly hot and cold and just happens to fall on the good side presently. Also agree that he isn't capable of playing in our system with his lack of skill on the ball. Greizman isn't capable of playing as a striker in Jose's system. Look at every one of his teams and you'll find a physically imposing centre forward. I also think next year is a long way away and that's made clear by how much could be different by this time next week.

27 Aug 2015 15:22:43
Mrs Costa: "Robert Fleck" - are you on something? I started talking about Antoine Griezmann, a player who has increased his goal tally every single year he has played and we end with Robert Fleck as a comparison!

26 Aug 2015 23:45:46
So RM has stated that Everton will reject John Stones transfer request in the morning. I really don't see them rejecting the next bid. A possible 36m bid, really. Kenwright and the board will snap out hands off for that surely.

What has made me laugh is tomorrows daily mirror stating we'll spend 159m by Tuesday on stones and pogba. Were do they get there info.

Guys can you really see us landing the French one?
And who thinks stones will happen?

I have read on the utd page that one of the ed's seems to think stone's is heading to us.

Feedback welcome.

Thanks to all the eds for there support

27 Aug 2015 01:17:05
Calm down mate, you currently have a want away 21 year old that's worth £36 million to us surely youd be stupid not to sell.

27 Aug 2015 01:17:08
Martinez is an idiot and a hypocrite, their club have been busy behind the scenes since the start of the season, while he's been complaining about the transfer window still being open, lining up replacement/additional CBs while also trying to weasel Barnsley out their 15% Stones sell on value. If Everton rejects Stone's request to advance his career at a bigger/better club for a more than fair offer and force him to stay when he clearly wants to come to Chelsea they will regret it. Rm saying today some rubbish about 'money not buying everything', where has he been? Why are the top clubs where they are and continue to challenge for trophies year in year out?

27 Aug 2015 03:42:27
Bluelab, not sure there is any truth in trying to do Barnsley out of 15%. If, and it is a big if, Stones leaves us I'm sure we will honour the agreement in place.
I think Chelsea have backed us into a corner and been a bit underhand with their pursuit of the lad. The day before your first bid he was interviewed saying how happy he is with us. He will be happy once again, if he stays, when this all blows over. RM has put his neck on the line by saying any request will be rejected and that he is not for sale. If the board don't back him on this then he may walk, I can't see them letting that happen. If he continues to progress this season then he will have more than one option come the summer, an auction would be more attractive to our board believe me! The fact that is little time left in the window, coupled with not yet replacing the two CB's we lost in the summer, may shelve this deal for now. I think we will see it dragging to the next window.
With regards to RM's comment on money, with the amount of cash the tv rights generate, clubs like us don't have to bow down to the sheiks or the oligarchs of this world as much. We can turn down obscene offers for players if we feel the player is important enough.

27 Aug 2015 06:09:19
Its just sour grapes from everton as we ripped them off over lukaku who is at best worth 5 mil. Let us have stones, he wants to win tlophies, he ain't getting that round there.

27 Aug 2015 09:01:35
No offence bacon Barry but what planet are you on and in what dimension is lukaku worth 5 million? I'd take him back if he was worth that. He's a young bloke with a hit of an attitude and bags of talent. He's no balotelli that's for sure

27 Aug 2015 10:28:33
Would LOVE big Rom back

27 Aug 2015 12:44:43
Good shout Spudv but I disagree that we've been underhanded in our pursuit. Questions were asked by media after the first bid became known concerning interest in Stones which is what a bid means anyway, that is not uncommon nowadays and after Martinez threw his little tantrum over it we've been quiet. If anyone's being underhanded it's Everton who didn't come out and definitely say no move for the player under any circumstances, instead they reject bids and keep adjusting their valuation of the player while your little manager barks nonsense. And as far as Stones being happy before I'm sure he was happy at Barnsley too before you lot showed interest that's how football works.