Chelsea Banter Archive August 27 2013

27 Aug 2013 22:59:59
IMO!
Unfortunately most of people do not understand what is the problem with Chelsea game at the moment.
1.Wrong formation 4231 is highly defensive formation which relays on counter attack for that you need very quick players. Hazard and Mata only look fast but with the ball they are not really.
2. inverse wingers is good when team has domination in a midfield and presses other team to defend. But in open game left footed player should play on the left and right footed on the right. Watch Bayern how they played last two years. They know exactly when Robben should on right and when on the left side as well as Ribery.
3.With given players at the moment Chelsea should play 41221=433 for some people or 4141 as JM played against Hull, probably majority didn't notice at all.
4.Experiment against MU didn't work Cleverly, Carrick and Rooney created more dangerous situations than Chelsea 5 men midfield which looked slow and sterile.
5.Schurrle can play support striker or winger but he can't play lonely CF. No doubt he is above averaged player.
6.Can someone enlight me what was the purpose signing Willian for 30 mil. if there is anything that Chelsea has are wingers and AM's.
7.Hazard is ABSOLUTELY overrated. I have watched most of his games last 3 years at least as well as I've watched KDB's games for the same period conclusion is that KDB is progressing and developing much faster than Hazard. He should play CM or CAM not winger since Chelsea has so many. The other player who is far better prospect is Oscar, also should be played as CM or CAM but he needs to get more physical strenght-one day he might be the best player in the world.
8.Mata was brought as long term replacement for Malouda, due to lack of creativity in Chelsea's midfield he ended up as a playmaker. At this moment he is going to have hard time at Chelsea due to competition. I am afraid he might be forced out as he wants first team football.
Just wanted to share my thoughts with other people.

We looked better last year

Hazard overrated? Hazard not that quick? Are you sure it was Eden Hazard you've been watching, not his dad?

4231 can be defensive but it can also be an offensive formation aimed at retaining possession. The difference between the Utd game and the first two was how the players reacted off the ball. Against Hull and Villa we pressed the opposition very high up the pitch, whereas against Utd we allowed them the freedom to use the ball in their own half. Different games will require different tactics, and I wouldn’t get too hung up on the idea of a rigid positions and formations either, as it changes constantly throughout the game (e.g. Oscar spending much of the match dropping deep to collect the ball and how the 3 behind the striker constantly switch roles). We didn’t threaten at Old Trafford, but we also looked comfortable without the ball, which is a marked improvement from last year.

I don’t really get how you believe Hazard to be overrated and slow. The kid’s had a good first season in English football and is one of the quickest players in the league with the ball at his feet. He needs to find more consistency, and sharpen the defensive side of his game, but there are encouraging signs with both from the back end of last season and the start of this.

Mata isn’t going anywhere. The stories are pure conjecture being regurgitated by the media in response to the fact we signed Willian. He has been injured and missed preseason. End of. He is the best player at the club, and I’m pretty sure anyone asking to loan him for a season would be laughed out of Stamford Bridge.

I personally don’t understand why a lot of people on here are being so negative so early on in the season. 7 points from the first 3 games, with our trip to Old Trafford out the way. Granted there are a few things that haven’t worked out (Schurlle in the Utd game), but at least there are more options within the squad. My only major criticism so far is lukaku’s lack of minutes.

I am not negative. I truly believe JM will get the best from players he has. As you said to keep rigid formation is wrong and that exactly happened against MU. Hazard is overrated compared to players like KDB Ramirez. Is he slowing CA yes he does. He simply likes ball too muchand gets rid of a ball slowly. Is he talented yes he is. But he's not good as some people say. Sorry I didn't mention van Ginkel he amazing prospect, JM will help him to become fantastic player one day. About formations 4231-41221-42121-4141 are actually 451 with differently placed midfielders. Chelsea is better team than MU and should played more offensive and win the match. On the other hand maybe JM was happy with a drew, as he probably finds game against Bayern more important.

The problem is the two centre mids. It's obvious for all to see. Slow balls to the attackers, causing attackers to be closed down so quick. Lampard passing back to Cahill or terry then the other team are defensively ready and behind the ball. Slow tempo ain't no good. Lamps has been poor. Also missing mata playing central.

What have u been smoking over there ness? Only concern is the lack of minutes for our recognised strikers and we need Mata back. Everything else should be gravy for now. Saying Hazard is overrated is just crazy, no one is saying he's Messi or Ronaldo at the minute but boy does the kid have potential to be up there. If you have watched all his games for the last 3 seasons you would have seen him change a game in a flash of brilliance many, many times

I've pointed that Hazard is overrated compared to players like deBruyne, Oscar, Mata&Ramirez.
MU game outstanding performance John. Terry, Ivanovic and Cahill.

I, yet again, disagree with basically everything u have just said ness.

29 Aug 2013 00:23:03
You all seems to be beating about the bush, As at NOW Chelseas lack of dominance or attacking struggle is all down to MOU given LAMPARD a helping hand, mikel will be better option talk less of Essien, V.Ginkel, KDB and or oscar, Lampard is old and tired he should be a super sub. Whenever we are winning we introduce him to finish the game, he don't pass the ball up front, he don't look for that killer thru pass or that final pass anymore, he is now working only for himself not the fans or club, he pass the ball to the sides when he thinks he can run in for short or backward so that he can go, his ability to hold the ball for 10 seconds to creat space for team mate is gone, his his ability to dribble pass a single opponent is gone yet he gets the nod ahead of all the natural Def Mid he have, WHAT ABOUT THE SAYING THE CLUB CAME FIRST" Some fans are hypocrites, Lamps is pass it. BUT DOES THAT AFFECTS HIS LEGENDARY STATUS, ABSOLUTELY NO, HE is a LEGEND and a FAN his family are also Addicted Fans, But he is pass it he should be given minutes when we overwhelmp our opponents, so that he preserve his ENG position for the world cup which I am pretty sure is what make him persuade CFC to offer him 1 year ext. Nothing to do with MOU being named manager, and MOU lend a helping hand to his most loyal and faithful student. At the start of pre season he said lamp being ild can only manage 35-45 min. Maximum at the highest level, but I became apperent he cannot be in the ENG squad with that minutes, that why he is in while VG, Essien, mikel are out, in all honesty he should tried as a sriker not a holding mid.

27 Aug 2013 19:00:44
Arsenal fan in peace.

Does anyone think that Juan Mata will be sold. I know that we were close to doing a deal with him before he went to Chelsea. I personally would love to see him in an Arsenal shirt, do you think that there is any chance? Thanks.

No and no. As Ed002 has said, Moses is available as a result of Willian signing. Mata needed to get back to full fitness again after his summer excursions and last season and he has now done this.
Even if he was available he (Jose) wouldn't want to sell in London I think and would look to include him in a deal for someone from abroad.

It's nice to dream ;) personally I don't think mata is going anywhere let a lot to arsenal.

Jose has said multiple times, "Juan is very important to me and the team", "juan goes nowhere", "there is no speculation he isn't going anywhere."

so i'd say he's staying.

Mata has played non stop football for two seasons. With the euros and confederations cup and almost all of our games for the last two years. he's rested for a couple of games with a niggly injury and suddenly he's off. You don't sell your best players and he's our best.

Agree with you spready. I think the same principles apply regarding David Luiz as well.

27 Aug 2013 17:18:43
yesterdays game was risk free we was supposed to be playing mata and de bryne should be on the bench. moses should have come off the bench with lukaku, ba, essien,

27 Aug 2013 17:10:57
we need to get rid of torres and start playing ba, lukaku and mata 3 top players wasting away on bence if we played them yesterday the result would be different

We're three games into the season. Mata isn't wasting away on the bench, he played 45 mins pre-season and had an injury recently. Ba proved the other night he isn't good enough to be starting games. As for Lukaku I'm sure he'll get his chance this season as will a number of other players who haven't started any of the three games we've played so far. Stop worrying about such insignificant things, Mourinho knows what he's doing!

27 Aug 2013 16:09:10
Hi guys
Liverpool fan in peace! Just wanted to know your opinions on a possible swap deal with Suarez and mata, I think it makes sense and could be good for both party's, with us needing a quality attacking mid, and you a striker. Cheers an I'm 100% behind u guys to knock the Manchester teams of there perch!

Non-starter. Mata is not available as the Ed's and Jose have said and he doesn't want to leave. Willian coming in doesn't change this. Moses would be available for a loan or purchase as would Ba and Torres. So how about Suarez for Ba, Torres, Moses and £20 million? No deal I'm guessing.
Personally though I wouldn't want Luis 'Vampire' Suarez anywhere near the club he is everything that is bad about current football in my opinion regardless of his excellent skill he is a person.

27 Aug 2013 18:01:48
I'll take Mata-Suarez swap anyday. Makes perfect sense.

Even if both clubs agreed, mata is a champions league player, couldn't see him wanting to join liverpool

Of course you would basics. You support Liverpool and Chelsea. Still can't get my head around that

Mata is class, everything you'd want in a player, perfect ambassador for the club, why would we swap him for an absolute tramp.

27 Aug 2013 14:01:08
Hello ED002 welcome back,

Just wondering if there was anything regarding the stories doing the rounds today about a possible bid of 30 mil plus Fernando Torres in exchange for Luis Suarez, I remember you saying a while back his representatives had to spoken to the club at there own request and with the Rooney option looking more and more unlikely could the attention turn to Suarez?

I was also curious if you had any information of what might happen now regarding Bruma I understand his case was rejected and that has of now is still a Sporting Lisbon player, are we still interested?

Thank you for your time. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea about a swap. Chelsea remain interested in Bruma for the future.}

27 Aug 2013 12:53:54
So it seems Rooney won't ask for a transfer (as it was a bit to be expected after last night). Who would everyone (realistically) like to see brought in?

Jackson Martinez, although I'm not completely convinced, he seems like the best option on the market as it stands. My main hope is for Lukaku to get his chance in the team. {Ed018's Note - I think between Lukaku and Jackson Martinez we would be fine. Time for Ba and Torres to move on}

Ed018, you think we'd be fine with 2 strikers (Lukaku and perhaps Martinez) and Schurrle as cover for them? Or do you think the club would try to buy 2 strikers if they were to sell both Torres (which I can't see happening) and Ba?
Personally, I think it would be sufficient with 2 strikers and Schurrle {Ed018's Note - I think we would be fine with 2 strikers and Schurrle for cover}

Are we interested in Jackson Martinez then, {Ed018's Note - yes}

Unfortunately it looks like we are stuck with Torres, no one wants to buy.

Massive wages and poor performances have left us stuck with him, how long does he have left on his contract?

27 Aug 2013 10:30:06
Ed, a couple of questions. Have we managed to tie up Traore to a contract after his impressive preseason feats? If we manage to get a striker (or two) and given Schurrles ability to play the role do you think we would be able to let Torres go? Are there any suitors? Am I the only Chelsea fan who would loath to see Mikel leave? Think back to how he played for DiMatteo.
Cheers Ed {Ed002's Note - The plan is to complete the deal for Traore in September.}

27 Aug 2013 09:43:25
hi ed002 welcome back. do you think we will bring in a striker in this window I don't want names I don't believe we will get rooney thanks. {Ed002's Note - The club would like to.}

27 Aug 2013 06:48:39
Yes, welcome back 'The Special Ed' -- ie 002 -- even if other eds have done a great job in yr absence, your special knowledge has clearly been missed. Hope all trolls blocked now.

Unlike Basics, I remain a JM fan. But as posted earlier, I also thought initial line-up strange. But perhaps JM was hoping that KDB, EH and AS pace and skill would make us potent for counter-attack goal as someone else suggested. Trouble is so many of our passes went astray at key moments (esp in first half). Do like the look of Schurrle: adds some real strength on the ball, can throw off defenders/tackles, though not a natural number 9 and looked better when Torres on and moving to flanks (Torres at least can do some link play, though that game crying out for Lukaku, at least at some stage). We could still do with strong/physical midfielder (Essien as was, can he still do it? Ballack, Fellaini type etc). Think and hope strange line up was about JM plan on night (counter attacking pace) plus him realising season will be v long and Mata needs some recovery after exhausting last season followed by confed cup (yes I know Oscar played in that, but not as much game time last season as Mata -- and Luiz played most of last games and confed cup, so hopefully JM looking after both of them in first couple of weeks). So it's early days, and JM will have got it right if we avoid our nov/dec/jan slump this year (after lightening starts) -- losing to QPR in January at home this year, losing leads to Southampton, result at Reading etc Still hurts!

26 Aug 2013 23:48:22
Just wondered what the latest updates are on Doria of Botafogo and Erik Dier of Sporting? Do any of eds have info? {Ed002's Note - There are no updates right now, but there is interest in both for the future.}

Sorry to keep bothering you ed002, but which other clubs are interested in Doria? {Ed002's Note - Doria has been subject to unconfirmed interest of Spurs and PSV, certain interest of Chelsea, Cruzeiro and Fluminense together with his agent trying to get a move to either Porto or Benfica.}

27 Aug 2013 00:46:15
I've never been a Jose Mourinho fan here and there's just no way he'll improve the quality of our players with the negative tactics. Sorry but Lampard and Ramires will always get bossed. And what was the essence of buying MvG, and promising Lukaku playing time? Why no Mata: is he going?

Back to supporting your other team Liverpool then Basics? ;-)

You can't be a Chelsea fan, without being a Jose fan. The man is a legend of our club. He is a winner. We got a point at OT, to add to our 6 points from the first two games, and you're complaining?

MVG was bought as a prospect. He will get game time, but it would be a bit stiff to stick him in against United at OT for a first full start, don't you think?

I agree Lukaku should've started, but Mourinho was obviously trying to expose Uniteds centre halves lack of speed, it didn't come off but we didn't lose ffs

27 Aug 2013 10:28:56
Yes, Liverpool are my other team but I'm a Chelsea fan, what's wrong with that? Why being so negative against a not great MU team? The tactics don't suit the players we have who always want the ball. Why is Lampard (no disrespect) starting with Ramires and playing all 90mins in three consecutive games? MvG should start plus a proper holding midfielder. Ramires can't pass to save his life for God's sake. I'm really sad with the football we play.

Bas!cs, you poor thing. Chelsea and Liverpool you can't do that it's not right.