Chelsea Banter Archive September 24 2016

 

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24 Sep 2016 23:05:02
I think the best thing you boys could do over the next year or two is start introducing your youngsters as the old guard are finished. You have a striker at Bristol city who is supposed to be the bees knees, start bringing them into the first team it didn't do man Utd any harm.

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25 Sep 2016 04:40:57
Thing is mate the striker area isn't the problem. As good as Tammy Abraham is Costa is class. Our best player again today even though we were rubbish. Defence is disgusting.

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25 Sep 2016 08:54:40
Blimey it must be bad when I am agreeing with Raver!

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25 Sep 2016 11:15:11
Some teams just like to buy raver, in the hope of instant success. Ironically Chelsea have one of the best academies but Chelsea rarely give them a chance.

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25 Sep 2016 12:06:37
Still long way to go thos season. So we should not write us off just yet. Anyway something have to change, maybe play two up top?

Cahill and Iva are both terrible, but suprisingly i think that Iva is twice the player Cahill is right now. 3 ball hiving mistakes which lead to opponents goals in 7 games, is this a joke?

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24 Sep 2016 21:05:26
Views on the season so far and today's game. Firstly we have played well in most games in periods of about 20 mins but then switched off. I have been saying for years we our own enemy when we sit so deep and don't press. I'm happy with the Luiz signing but would not play him in defence.

Positionally he is awful and today was evidence of that. I would not blame him for any goals but he played arsenal onside several times by not holding the defensive line. Personally I would like him in midfield especially with his range of passing. I really don't see how ivanovic keeps getting his game, he's been awful for 18 months now. I think it's time alonso and Dave take the right and left back positions.

Thought kante was poor today by trying too hard and leaving his position too often. Costa is the only player that has looked good in every game. The season end is a long way off but if we don't make top four can we afford to keep the likes of hazard, will Costa want to stay and apparently courtouis is already looking to move, which I wouldn't be bothered about as I don't believe the hype surrounding him.

Basically overall I think we have not been bad but at the same time we are still showing the defensive frailties that hurt us last year and until we tighten up at the back then we will struggle to win games. But supporters calling for conte already are a joke, his passion and will to win is what our players need drilling into them.

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24 Sep 2016 22:25:09
We have been rubbish.

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25 Sep 2016 04:42:43
Don't talk rubbish. Luiz once again since returning is being made a scapegoat at least he's a leader and tries to win the game. Cahill and Ivanovic are the main problem.

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25 Sep 2016 08:34:01
Everyone has upped their game in the EPL and we are going backwards. We need a settled defence to start with not keep switching Azi backwards and forwards and Alonso's fee indicates he should play, we cannot continue with Ivanovic. Cahill is lost without Terry which means his days must be numbered. However, I am not a costa fan but the guy is playing his heart out something I cannot say for a much fitter looking Hazard. I love Willian's energy but his end product in every phase of his game is poor so why not give Moses a real chance? He's flawed but quick, a team player and likes moving the ball forward. The defensive weakness is impacting the whole team and i cannot see us being much higher this season than last, certainly not in the top four which will then put the spotlight on Conte.

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25 Sep 2016 17:57:31
I don't think West Ham have upped their game 1915.

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27 Sep 2016 13:51:20
Come on G8 you know I meant title contenders not the also ran's.

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24 Sep 2016 19:34:18
That was a woeful clueless mistake ridden showing tonight, as bad as anything I have seen for sometime the team is awful all over the pitch so many poor passes no shape and worse than schoolboy defending, conte has got massive problems to solve with this lot, having said that he has caused his own mess with the system and choice of players he picked tonite still using that idiot ivanovic. i will give him time but he needs to get his system sorted asap because we look worse than last season.

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24 Sep 2016 20:07:45
I tell you what. I think majority of people on here have lost the plot. People are calling out David Luiz saying he's terrible, he makes mistakes etc. Well let's look at his last few performances for us shall we. Today I'd class him and Costa as the only 2 who actually cared and can come out with some credit. He is by far THE BEST footballing centre back around. Forget your John Stones, Luiz is levels above him as a footballer. It's quite funny too, for a guy who's mistake prone I'm yet to see him make one? He's been our best defender in the last few games by an absolute country mile. Gary Cahill and Ivanovic are your problems! If there was an option to sell them right now I'd take it. Cahill makes a mistake EVERY GAME! Ivanovic is simply THE WORST footballer technically I've ever seen at the club, don't get me wrong, he used to be an amazing defender, but that's his job to defend, he couldn't pass to a barn door if his life depended on it. So perhaps it's time people realised Luiz is going to play, he's no Bonucci in terms of defending, but get off his back people he's actually done very well so far!

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24 Sep 2016 20:20:45
I have no problem with Luiz. I think his passes are positive and someone with quality could convert them.

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24 Sep 2016 20:25:24
I thought Luiz played well today too. Ivanobic and Cahill are massive weak spots. Thank god Zouma's back after the international break. Alonso needs to start and Azpi needs to go to RB. Costa, Luiz and Terry are the only warriors in our squad end of. And Hazard? His mentality is shocking I said this two years ago he's so over-rated it's unreal he has no killer instinct. Don't even get me started on Willian as well he offers nothing, Moses deserves a chance.

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24 Sep 2016 20:23:31
Luiz is rubbish, a panic buy and a disaster waiting to happen.

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24 Sep 2016 21:26:08
Totally agree. Hazard has to go for me. He cannot defend and he cannot achieve his potential he always falls short.

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24 Sep 2016 19:44:46
Not sure what is going to happen now:
1. Board will not pay for the players we need
2. Playes are de-motivated
3. Creative players are disinterested
4. Defense is shambles
4. New manager wodenring why he accepted the job
In other words we are in a limbo.

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24 Sep 2016 19:31:05
If you look at the team that lost 5-3 to Spurs we've gone nowhere since then. Identical defence, same sloppy attacking. Has the club lost its vision?

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24 Sep 2016 19:28:01
Absolutely shambolic! The line up had us defeated from the outset. No matter what happens it's the same squad same formation. Only difference is the manager. It didn't work when Jose was in charge and it won't work now. I'd rather lose while trying something different! It's just getting boring now! sickening to watch.

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24 Sep 2016 20:25:44
If only you could go back to the good old days of Sinclair, Harley and Spackman et al. Those were the days.

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24 Sep 2016
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24 Sep 2016 11:26:30
I'd like to see Alonso keep his place today. I'd hope Chalobah gets on at some stage. Lastly I think Cesc should start and be given a free role, I can't see Arsenals midfield troubling us too much today. Thoughts?

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24 Sep 2016 12:10:33
Yeah i'd go
Courtois
Dave
Cahill
Luiz
Alonso
Chalobah
Kante
Hazard
Cesc
Willian
Costa.

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24 Sep 2016 16:42:40
Sorry Ivanovic is back. Bad decision. Fabregas in for Oscar good one.

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24 Sep 2016 18:14:40
Humiliating kante gets done walks back no fight no **** all if this continues conte will be gone by christmas tbf to conte wtf can he do with this squad too many players not good enough intergrate some youth and get rid of the deadwood least need some fight it's embarrassing.

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{Ed001's Note - he could try using the players correctly and adjusting tactics. Matic and Kante should be swapped over, they are playing to their weaknesses rather than their strengths the way Conte has them.}

24 Sep 2016 18:23:30
Yeah agree its just a shambles tho could be a long old season at this rate.

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24 Sep 2016 18:28:12
Ed001 what would be your starting 11 for chelsea?

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{Ed001's Note - depends on the match, but it is clear Alonso has to play so Ivanovic is not right back any more, as he is utterly hopeless there. Move Azpilicueta to right back. Play Matic sitting, with Kante given freedom to do what he wants, as he played at Leicester. Chalobah in there as well, so that Hazard, Batshuayi and Costa can play up front with total freedom. Luiz would then have Chalobah to cover his forays forward and Matic to play the deep probing mid role he played so well when you won the league. Right now Cahill would have to be the other centre half, until Terry or Zouma are back. If changes are needed, it is easy to change things completely with Willian to go right and replace Batshuayi or one of the three in central midfield, depending on the situation. Then Hazard would go left side and you would have a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, with minimal disruption.}

24 Sep 2016 18:51:20
Why are we not playing with a defence tonight? How is Ivanovic playing? Why play Fabregas in a game where we will be under pressure as he cannot track back to help? It is not Conte's fault we have these players still but I was surprised at the team selection and a further hammering in the second half and he might be praying for Christmas so he can move on.

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24 Sep 2016 19:15:09
Yeah great shout ed.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

24 Sep 2016 19:40:06
ivan walks straight back in to the side?
what are they seeing in him.

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24 Sep 2016 20:15:28
So you'd play Chalobah, Matic and Kante Ed?

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{Ed001's Note - for a game like Arsenal yes.}

25 Sep 2016 01:55:52
On the one hand I agree with you ed001, but on the other hand I think Matic isn't fast enough to fill that position and not disciplined enough. However it probably be better for Kante at least.

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{Ed001's Note - you don't need pace, it is a playmaking role. The most important thing needed there defensively is good positioning. On the ball, you need someone who can pass, which Matic does much better than Kante. Kante is all about energy and quick, short passes, which needs to be higher up the pitch. Matic can produce a 30 yard pass from deep.}