Chelsea Banter Archive July 23 2012

23 Jul 2012 20:02:28
Hi eds i know you dont lyk questions about time on how long something will take but do you know when decisions will be made about which players will be goin out on loan?
Thanks in advance.

Blue con {Ed018's Note - I'm sure discussions are ongoing but nothing will be decided before preseason is done}

23 Jul 2012 20:34:14
Have we signed Oscar? Only in the club shop their selling pre made shirts with his name on. Guessing its a done deal and we can relax? Or has anybody ever experienced anything like this where it has backfired?

OsgoodIsKing {Ed018's Note - he hasn't officially signed but i expect him to. Remember a few years back when they started printing up Robinho shirts, that backfired a bit.}

On the olympic great britain squad theres beckham on the back in jjb sports lol

23 Jul 2012 19:15:19
In your own opinion ed, who do you think is better, Oscar or moura? {Ed018's Note - I think they are slightly different players but from the limited chances to see them play, ( not youtube ), I believe Oscar offers alittle more versatility and might be alittle further along than Moura in regards to their development.}

Exactly what i wanted to hear ed, cheers.

It is difficult to compare the two as they play in different positions, and have a very different style of play, Oscar is a more intelligent player, who works hard for the team (although not to hard physically) where as Moura is more of a classic explosive impact player, who runs at defenders and tries to make things happen for himself. The difference is Nani vs Scholes.
Both have huge potential, they are both technically great, and both filled with confidence, but in my opinion Moura has more to do to get to the level people expect him to reach, and there is a chance his selfishness/tendency to run into blind alleys will never be ironed out. There have been questions about Oscars size, he is slight which is obvious, but this does not seem to have hindered him up to this point.
My opinion is that both have the potential to be top players but Oscar is less of a risk. He can already control a game, and play killer passes, if the new look Chelsea team is built around his talents i can imagine him pulling all the strings, and opening up the game for the likes of Hazard, Mata and Torres. Moura could be the kind of winger who inspires fear in the hearts of fullbacks the world over, but he will need to add an end product to his incredible dribbling, and he will also need to involve his team mates more.

Keep an eye on both during the Olympics, it should be a great comp to highlight their talents.

He don't play the same position as scholes....?

I didnt say they played the same position, it was simply a way of me highlighting the difference in style of play, Oscar controls the play, and temp of the game while creating chances for others (like Scholes does for Man U) And Moura runs at the opposition forcing errors and attempting to create something out of nothing (like Nani), its a fairly simple comparison, not a perfect one but useful enough.

23 Jul 2012 17:46:07
Do you guys think Marin wil be in the starting XI?
He played very very well against PSG.

Im not doubting marin but bare in mind its preseason although i agree hes done very well ,bargin!
Carefree

He'll start his fair share of matches!

23 Jul 2012 16:36:48
I posted a little thing after the game saying essien was class but if he improves on that and stays healthy then that is bigger than any move we are in the running to make. A Michael Essien at full strength would be the perfect compliment to Ramires in the midfield. That would give opposing teams one hell of a time to get through. When you're facing a team that packs it in you can put Oscar in for him giving him some needed time off. Over all this was the most intriguing thing for me this summer and I have my fingers crossed he gets back to being the bison we all love.

Tk

23 Jul 2012 14:27:21
Lukaku to go out on loan

Piazon to act as cover for Torres so no big money signing is made to disillusion him. That way Piazon gets PL experience as i doubt any EPL teams would take him on loan and Torres has reassurance that he is the #1 chelsea striker

Im starting to agree with some people to be honest i always backed torres to be number 1 striker but if hes not good enough then hes not good enough

if he wants to sit in the corner crying then thats his problem find your form again nando and you wont have a problem

if your not good enough you need to be replaced

i as much as anyone want nando to get back to his best but we have to be prepared for if he doesnt get that and piazon isnt capable of being or main striker yet if nando flops

curt

Why do people not understand. People dont want another top striker coming in because this will pressure nando and make him play poor again. If he is left alone as the main man there will be no one as good as him we just need to let him flourish

At last people begin to see that Torres can only be picked if he performs. Up till now he hasn't but he should start the season and prove he is worth his place. All these people that say he needs to be no1 and needs to feel the support of the board are talking tosh! He is a footballer and payed very well to perform,so stop the sulking and prove your worth it!

Curt where have you been
trev

I for one am still keeping the faith with torres,i'm optimistic he'll compete for PL top scorer.apart from that i believe we'll see a lot of our goals come from the midfield,marin,mata,hazard,de bruyne (if not sent on loan),ramires,lampard are all goal getters.i say send lukaku out on loan and keep sturridge as backup for torres.its gonna be an exciting season,cant wait for it to start.the future's looking bright boys

aL

Woo hang on a minute torres was brilliant end of season & in the euros, so hes fine u wait. but u lot wana spend 40 plus milkion on a new striker i would much prefer a right back & winger for that. whats happened to the sturridge fans then dont u trust him anymore BLUEBOY1

IMO Lukaku plays way too lazy for a 19yr old and that more than anything needs to change for him to be considered a Cf cover. The only time i've seen him in full sprint its toward goal, otherwise he's walking or slow jogging around the pitch. He plays like a 34yr old striker that's already proven himself and now is just looking for goals instead of a young hungry player looking to make an impression. i don't like his movement without the ball and he does nothing on defense.
BTW - First time posting, love the site

What happens if Torres goes on another goal draught or gets injured? Who gets the goals then. Lukaku too raw needs a loan, Sturridge ok but not convinced by him uptop on his own and Piazon is not ready and no way is he a natural striker. In conclusion far to big a risk not to invest in another striker. 60+ games next year. Lewandowski or Llorente would do for me. Oscar, a rightback and another goalscorer and our squad will rival anybodys

Look at the players torres had around him other than mata! i bet anyone next year hell be in the top 3

Piazon is not a striker!!
Carefree

A) Piazon is not a striker
b) if Torres can't handle competition he shouldn't be at a big club

That is all

Surewould

23 Jul 2012 13:58:38
The game against psg confirmed once and for all that Chelsea need another CF & RB and the sooner the better
Also think they need a DM
Drebs

23 Jul 2012 12:38:04
I refuse to take any negatives from that game.

DEFENSIVELY - i do not worry as we have world class defenders .

MIDFIELD - what I noticed was how well hazard and
Marin keep the ball. Add to that mata and Oscar and I could just see us never giving the ball away ! Add to that the electric pace of Ramires sitting next to Oscar and that prospect is unbelievable.

ATTACK - After all of those midfield players , just imagine Torres playing on the shoulder of the last defender and being slid passes through.

MY TEAM VS WIGAN

Cech
Ivan-Terry-Cahill-cole
Ramires-Oscar
Marin-mata-hazard
-Torres-

PREDICTION : 4-0

BIFTW

Agree with most of that team, but Id like to see us sign hulk and have hazard,Marin,mata and hulk competing for the three attacking midfield spots. I'd agree with defence as I'm terrified whenever luiz has the ball in defensive posistions but going forward he's class. I think luiz could be a world class CDM. Hulk,Cesar and Moses would complete a excellent transfer window for us.

Make sure oscar joins before getting carried away

Hutchinson looked bad, his passing, positional play, but he ain't scared to tackle, better at centre back. Mceachran and Essien looked really good together. Lamps and Mikel were very very slow. Marin looks very good. So does hazard. Lukaku needs to go on loan for sure. I think I'd Mattel did the wrong thing by putting kakuta and hutch on the right side. Debruyne made some lovely passes but looked lost sometimes. I think kakuta would play a lot better with someone a bit stronger at the back like ivanovic. He showed glimpses of good football but got lost a lot asweell. Piazon looks nearly ready to be honest, not just his goal his passing and movement was very good. I don't think luiz is takin pre season to serious, just looks like luiz at first, but he'll sort that when it's serious. Made some good forward runs. Mceachran made some really good interceptions and some good passes to build the play. He's still very young but he sure knows how to pass, always creating space very clever player indeed. BLUEBOY1

Do you really think lampard won't play? Just remember all of theses new players won't be able to slot straight in the team,it WILL take time for them to adapte to the premier league,so expect to see lampard starting for a few months yet.

Ok essien instead of oscar. we r movin away from how lamps likes 2 play, new era sorry but he slows our play dwn 2 much as does mikel

Why do u think Spain and Barca play busquets? {Ed018's Note - to roll around on the pitch a draw fouls?}

Oriol and Josh are still young; they can learn to do this - looks like we've got a bright future ahead of us!

Busquets is beast

23 Jul 2012 12:27:27
Hi ed is there's chance of Chelsea signing Leandro Damiao, thanks! {Ed002's Note - No idea. Just seems like a random name being thwn up.}

23 Jul 2012 11:46:54
Well,Lucas Piazon scored .What a player he is going to be.We need to sell Kakuta and Malouda.I do not know about Benayoun,I would say,lets keep him might come handy in some games.He still has some creative sparks left in him.
roan

Give kakuta a year to understand how we play. He gets a little bit lost, but he still showed glimpses. He was good in France for a rubbish team.

Hes only young aswel

23 Jul 2012 11:23:56
Guys i didnt watch the PSG v Chelsea game but did Hazard play good? Did the whole team play good?

Hazard, Marin, Cech, Turnbull, Ivanovic, Terry, Luiz (when defending), Cole, Essien (after a few dodgy first passes), Piazon all played well. Lampard & Ramires played alright. Kakuta Malouda Hutch and Lukaku didnt play particuarly well.

Sev

Mceachran played really well at his passing game. I thought lampard and Mikel were terrible. To slow, far to slow. Essien and mceachran changed the game. Marin looks impressive, even though i knew he would, bargain of the season.

Lamps & obi were rubbish, how can people say thy werent essien n josh changed the game. lamps is fiinished. too slow and thats not just his running his whole game is dropping, doesnt help having mikel next to him.BLUEBOY1

23 Jul 2012 10:43:16
what did everyone think of the game

we didnt look great but it is only pre season we constantly rotated the squad and many youngsters were playing

to sum up if anyone is worried about the performance i myself dont feel the need to worry

Still only two pre season games but Kakuta, Mikel havent played well in either. Lampard seems to take about 15 - 20 mins to take hold of a game (which isnt good when youre only on for 30 mins). Lukaku has shown he is not ready when facing higher standard opposition. Why have Ferreira and Malouda(and whoever else we are selling/releasing) been given game time.
Anyway positives - Hazard and Marin have shown lots of early promise. Piazon clearly is a good finisher (though like Lukaku he needs to work on getting past the defenders. McEachran is looking promising. If i have forgotten anyone who has shown promise or has been particuarly disappointing sorry. Cant wait for Mata and Torres to return. I kknow mata wont return until after the olympics ie too late for pre season stateside.

Sev

I actually thought mikel play decently, made some good tackles, actually surged forward with the ball, didn't actually make just sideward passes, and he made 2 amazing passes that the commentators failed to appreciate, one which split their whole team on half and another one outside his right foot to Ferreira.

Devon.

Essien looks promising i wish he gets back to his best wether he stays with us or moves on was a great player

i still think our 3 behind torres should be mata hazard and marin but people dont seem to want marin starting hes showed already hes worth the 6.5 mill we paid plus more

Marin will be the signing of the season.People need to realize his quality and start to put him in their favoured starting line up.He is going to be as good as Hazard if not more.
roan

I've agree I posted a team up the other day and I had Marin starting because he's an excellent player and should start most games.

Blue con

23 Jul 2012 07:58:03
Torres back with the team today, joining up with the rest in Philadelphia. A few people were asking...

23 Jul 2012 03:49:17
From my seat in the stands that's the best essien I've seen in a LONG time.

Tk

Deffo mate he looked like hes getting there

23 Jul 2012 02:09:57
Positives :

Cole
Marin
Hazard

Those 3 players look as though they will never give the ball away

Negatives :

Malouda
Kakuta

23 Jul 2012 00:50:31
I know it's a pre season match...

But Gael Kakuta looks awful! He gives the ball away all the time, it's painful to watch. Looking forward to him going off soon