Chelsea Banter Archive July 22 2012

 

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22 Jul 2012 22:52:12
DROGBA GETS ASSIST IN SHANGHAI DEBUT

What a legend !!!

BIFTW

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22 Jul 2012 22:56:21
Fed up with all this talk from fans saying Chelsea shouldn't buy another top class striker because Torres won't hit form due to intimidation. Tbh I couldn't care less if Torres is sulking in a corner, as long as the club as a whole is progressing. I mean, are the fans on here Chelsea or Torres fans?? If it's the latter then go onto Torres' official website. I mean don't get me wrong I'd love to see Torres banging in the goals next season but unfortunately the reality is we need another top class striker (in the same bracket as Cavani) to challenge on all fronts next season.

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Torres wont care if we get another top class striker all he wants is to be able to play, he didnt like last season because he was on the bench for 70-80 mins a game. As long as we play him then he wont care if we have Cavani, Hulk or whoever else.

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You finished ?

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22 Jul 2012 21:54:13
Really not happy bout all this willian talk, i hope we dot go back with another offer, if we don't get cavani I was wondering what other strikers people would like,

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Dont need one got torres if he doesnt perform then in january would love schurlle to join but leverkusen wont sell

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So Torres number one obviously and Sturridge back up, lukaku prob be out on loan

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Sturridge aswell. cuz he aint no wide player. willian what is all that about, especially as iker muniain cuould be had.

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Hulk is the only other option it seems, i wouldn't mind pato but i doubt milan would be open to selling

trueblue012

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Pato injury prone

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We need at least two world class strikers, preferably two that can play together. Cavani is a great option because it is not out of the realms of possibility for him to play off Torres in a wider position.
To all those who say we should not get another striker, what would happen if Torres got a red card, or injured, Sturridge is not great through the middle, and i certainly would not want to rely on him for more than a game or two, and Lukaku may be the next big thing, but that is all he is atm, he needs a loan to a prem club.

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22 Jul 2012 21:15:45
It seems that we are all in agreement that the so called pivot against the lesser teams can be

--Ramires----Oscar

And then against a better team it could be


-- -Ramires---Lampard/Mikel/Meireles

And then putting Oscar on the right

BIFTW

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100% with this. BLUEBOY1

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Spot on

trueblue012

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22 Jul 2012 19:09:28
Do u no if Torres is with the squad and able to play tonight? Or has anyone else joined the team squad

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Mereiles and Terry were the last to join up with the squad, yesterday. Not sure whrn Torres will arrive.

Badger

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On the bench if anything id say (lukaku will start) well i think lukaku should start anyway only games he will probably get for us this year torres on at half time

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I do not think Torres has joined up yet, Terry has though.

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Everyone bar torres

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Chelsea coach was on the way to heathrow earlier i would imagine terry, cole, merieles and torres were on it

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22 Jul 2012 18:39:21
I really hope we sign Moura...he is a class...apart from that he can play in the wing position...he will be a good addition to the team.

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Only thing im concerned over is how greedy he is

too much like sturridge (admittingly hes got the talent to run with the ball) but still too greedy

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He is as raw as they come, he runs into blind allys, his finishing and crossing are not great, and he does not play with his head up at all. Would much rather see us bring in Oscar who looks potentially brilliant, as opposed to splashing 30+mill on Moura who is a risk imo.

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Mouras club wont be sad to see him go as he has been poor past two seasons (talksport)

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He really is so overrated its unreal

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You's are having a laugh, lucas moura is a very good player and still has time to develop into the world beater people in brazil think he will be, every time i have seen him play live he has scored a goal so to say he can't finish is just plain wrong, he is fast and hard to knock off the ball, given time and quality around him he will be an amazing player

trueblue012

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Moura aint gunna go for less than 35 40 million.

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It will be worth it in 3 years

trueblue012

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No trueblue were actually not laughing alot of us were raving about him a few months back now were saying hes overrated because we have seen more of him and realised

you say you seen him live my guess is in the brazilian league or international friendlies against poor teams

we could make a squad out of the posters that come on here and beat most of those teams

if he signs for us i guarentee your be on here by january bit*hing about how hes like sturridge and doesnt pass

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22 Jul 2012 17:46:39
I Found two separate posts that sum everything up. First about the striker situation.


I really hope we sign Hulk. If you think about the intensity and pace and strength and aggression and relentlessness of the premier league a perfect symbol of it is Micah Richards. Hulk breezed past Richards like he wasn't there during Great Britain v Brazil on Friday. He would be a perfectly balanced addition to what we have already purchased in attacking areas. You need a physical presense in the premier league. The beauty of Hulk is that despite his brutish strength and pace he has touch and vision and class and can provide as well as score. The perfect right sided option of our supporting 3. Please close the deal Roman! - James13

Now to a potential team

Cech
Ivan luiz Cahill cole
Ramires Oscar
Marin mata hazard
Torres

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I can't see the '2' being Rami and Oscar, it is pssible but unlikley. To strike the right balance I would swap Oscar for Mikel and Iva for a more attacking RB, whoever that ends up being, debuchy, azpi it dunt matter. Also I see oscar being one of the '3' in place of Marin. Marko Marin has somthing to prove this season in my opinion. Went from a world class talent to a 'good attacking midfielder' in the space of 2 years. No doubt the talent, skill and all that is there but robbie need to get it out of him. I see marin starting the season as an impact sub, maybe further down the line as a starter. I think he is A replacement for kalou, only far better ahaha.

My Ideal starting 11 to play in the super cup.

cech
iva/azpi*luiz*terry*cole
Romeu*rami
Hulk*Mata*Hazard
Torres

I am desperate for Hulk and i think eventually the deal will be completed either in the last few days of the window for and even more inflated price or in january.

AG

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What point are you getting at?

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Against teams like Wigan, stoke... Who just defend against us Oscar and ramires is our best way to go. Cuz if our centre backs can't handle a striker up top on his own their is summin seriously wrong. Both of osc and ram are quick enough to get back. Which with Mikel and lamps not a chance. Against arse, manda pool then were play a holding mid obviously, but I still not believe in Mikel. He ain't good enough. BLUEBOY1

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I agree with the last post
AG

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There's a button for agreeing. Just in case you hadn't noticed.

IB.

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I love your team there ag. I like the Romeu shout as I think he was one of our better players last year before his illness.

Tk

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He werent that good tk

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I personally would swap hazard and Marin round and in game mata and hazard swapping the games

Blue con

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22 Jul 2012 17:37:24
Here's my line up for next season

Gk Cech - no need for explanation.

Rb Ivan/azpi - Ivan no 1 but slowly bring azpi into our no 1.

Rcb luiz/Cahill - think both of these will be a big part of our team and will rotate to give both some game time.

Lcb terry - no need for explanation.

Lb cole/Bertrand - cole no1 with Bertrand playing a few games but I would like Bertrand to go on loan to a team where he can be first choice.

Ldm lampard - saw him a little bit in the deeper role but will be able to control games from this position.

Rdm ramires - was brilliant last season and is improving every week his energy will be important for us considering the amount of games we have to play this season.

Rw hazard - looks like he is already a world class player and will help create an score goals next season.

Cam mata - I am a big fan of mata and hope he doesn't get put on the wing to much because this guy can dictate play and pick out a magical through ball for the strikers or wingers.

Lw Marin - looks like a great buy for the 7m we apparently paid for him. He's still young and will improve massively.

St Torres - still not 100% convinced he will return to his former self but he must score goals this season or risk being sold or being no2.

Hazard and mata switching a lot causing defenders problems.

Subs
Turnbull
Ivan/azpi depending on who starts.
Mikel
Essien
De bryune
Oscar
lukaku/Sturridge depending if lukaku goes on loan.

I personally would like to see mceachran andlukaku go out on loan to prem teams. De bryune to stay and get some game time.

Every persons opinion is different but I see this as a realistic team for this season.

Blue con

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Bertrand is too good to be loaned out in my opinion

he should be with us for cup runs also if theres injuries at left back or left wing (he showed he can play there)

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22 Jul 2012 16:51:54
is there any interest for juve cb chiellini many thanks

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Aint he getting on a bit now and to be honest hes not any better than terry cahill luiz or ivanovic

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22 Jul 2012 16:24:31
Okay, I know things haven't gone our way, but I would actually prefer Oscar over Lucas Moura, and I'm not saying this because Lucas is likely to go to united. I would say Lucas Moura has better ability on the ball, however Oscar has much better vision and touch than Lucas. I would also think Oscar is slightly better suited to the premier league, and although you may argue Lucas has a better physique, lucas likes to run past players, a skill which is hard to execute nowadays in the pl. Oscar however can pass the ball around players, which I must admit isn't as exciting, but it's the end product that really counts. Oscar in my opinion would actually be a perfect replacement for lampard, the only negative I would say about Oscar is that he is less willing to go into a tackle, but when you're an attacking midfielder, winning the ball isn't as much expected from you. I'm not saying I would say no to Lucas, I just feel Oscar is more of a player that we need at current time.

Devon.

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22 Jul 2012 16:14:58
If Chelsea want to get serious this season we should go all out and buy Rvp he a proven scorer in the prem! I think Oscar will sign and I would love to see hulk come to! Think us fans shouldnt get to carried away with all these players coming and think we gonna do well its gonna take a few months to we see the benefits!

Pinky

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Are you serious about van persie

so far hes been a one season wonder

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22 Jul 2012 15:49:34
Will Chelsea Sign Another Striker And Who Do You Think It Will Be .. !?

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Cavani !!!

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22 Jul 2012 14:50:17
Cech, Turnbull, Hilario

Ferreira, Azpilicueta, Ivanovic, Kane, Luiz, Cahill, Terry, Chalobah, Hutchinson, Bertrand, Cole

Essien, Ramires, Lampard, Obi, McEachran, Romeu

Mata, Marin, Benayoun, Hazard, De Bruyne, Piazon, Oscar/Hulk

Sturridge, Torres, Cavani, Lukaku, Bamford

                           Cech

Iva/Azp.   Luiz.   Terry/Cahill.     Cole

                   Rami.          Lamps

Hulk/Oscar.       Mata.            Hazard

                       Torres/Cavani

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Cavani won't be coming 78 million fukme

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You should really ignore any talk about Cavani's supposed price tag.

IB.

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I really struggle to find a purpose for Ferreira hilario and benayoun next season. I think Oscar provides a suitable replacement for benayoun and is in a similar mold. Ferriera is getting old and takes up a non homegrown spot and I believe Kane and hutch are ready to take over his place. With hilario I think it's the same thing as Ferreira where he isn't homegrown but Turnbull is and Blackmon doesn't count against while providing a similar level of play. Just my thoughts.

Tk

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I know they won't get much game time but they are needed in the squad IMO to add vital experience and 'know how'

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Yeah ferreira great loyal servant but surely kane or hutch cant do anyworse. but he deserves to see out his contract.

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22 Jul 2012 13:20:36
I'll be laughing when Hazard scores against United this season just to see the look on Sir Alex's face!

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Old whisky nose fergie will be eating his words when hazard scores the winner there, come on eden show them your class. cfcblueboy.

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He moans about big fee's and he paid 30 million for Berbatov who he didn't play!

He also paid the record fee for a goalkeeper in this league who is not even close to goalkeepers like Cech, Reina and Hart!

Rich

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Do what i do NEVER listen to fergie when he starts talking just switch off

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Rich are you on about van der sar ?? hes better than reina and hart

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De gea you tool

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Doesnt make me a tool united have had many poor keepers over the years i was just checking he didnt mean van der sar you sop

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It was the record fee bit you missed that made you look a tool

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Ok well considering its to do with united buying players i cudnt give a s**t plus de gea is young still

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22 Jul 2012 13:05:31
Who would you trust more on an away day at old trafford :

Ivanovic or Azpilicuetta

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Ivanovic, no doubt. He will still be our first choice right back if Azpili signs it's just the lad is young and got bags of potential.

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If Ivanovic was going to be first choice RB Cesar wouldn't sign for us.

IB. {Ed002's Note - You mean Azpilicueta?}

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Indeed. Are you about to make me look silly ED?

IB

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Even though Iva would be first choice doesn't mean Azpilicueta wouldn't get games....

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Ivanovic doesnt want to be first choice right back so i highly doubt he will be starting over a new right back

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Yer he said he doesnt mind covering. even said he may consider his future

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Covering and first choice are two different things if we buy a right back he wont be happy starting right back

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22 Jul 2012 12:47:18
Just have a feeling that Oscar might end up at spurs.£25m with the proceeds of modric sale, revenge for AVB

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I have a feeling your a spurs fan- revenge for the 5-1 stomping.

ELI

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Go away spurs fan

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Or he could join our growing Brazilian Contingency and actually win trophies at Chelsea?

Or are you still bitter about a goal that 'never was' and forget the other 4 goals in that match?

Oh dear Spurs Fan's. It must be bad being 3rd fiddle in London

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LOL best comment iv seen for a while ELI well played

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22 Jul 2012 11:12:27
Cech
Ivanovic luiz terry cole
Ramires lampard
Mata oscar hazard
Torres

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Cech
Ivan luiz Cahill cole
Ramires Oscar
Marin mata hazard torres

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You want us to play the spainish 4 6 0 formation ??

original post would be better

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22 Jul 2012 10:07:12
you alight? what time is the CHELSEA v PSG game tonight and can anybody give me a link..

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Midnight :)

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It's on Chelsea TV at midnight, English time

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I dont have chelsea tv is thee any links?

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Search - livefootballstreaming.info

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Thanks lads :D

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Type cr7 live stream into google (i think its like www.cr7.com or something) i think its the first link then go on there they have really good streams that dont jump and lag {Ed002's Note -

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22 jul 2012 07:15:23

if chelsea finalize oscar and were to get let's say cavani and azpilicueta. is that enough to derail city for the title? if not what do you see as them needing?

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Depennds on di matteo really. they need time to gel and di matteo need to perfect his so called 'new system'

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Just signing oscar and a right back could derail city to be honest

or just a right back marin mata and hazard would be enough attacking options if worst comes to worst

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22 Jul 2012 07:05:50
Hey Ed,
Great work always. Do you think, with all the playmakers Chelsea have added that they can truly make a serious run for the premiership without fixing their defensive midfield. Apart from Ramires, the health of Essien must be a concern and Lampard and Mikel lack foot speed. Do you think it would be wise to add one more elite defensive stopper, someone like Capoue, M'villa, Tiote, Felaini etc.....My concern is we have adressed our goalscoring somewhat but defensively we have not improved!! {Ed002's Note - We will see after the tour if there is interest an other players.}

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Mate defensively we're solid! It doesn't matter that Mikel is slow he does a fine job.

After that end to the season we've just had that proves that defensively we're fine

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Original post are you serious there was nothing wrong with our defense last year

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21 Jul 2012 23:48:55
Hi Ed can you tell me why are chelsea bidding for moses? and is he really good enough for us? thanks {Ed002's Note - I can't reasonably answer the reasons "why" a club look at particular players.}

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I think the club have seen potential in him
ChelseaL

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Any player can be good just need to find the right club

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22 Jul 2012 00:37:14
Oscar vs. Argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XudK1gkbP24

I really like the look of this kid. Bearing in mind he is only 20 he has great vision, passing, speed, crossing, awareness, work rate and also has a trick up his sleeve in case he gets into trouble.

Has a lot of room to grow, and may need to bulk up a little bit during his first year at Chelsea(assuming the move is finalised), but i think this could be a genius signing by the robbie & roman connection!

If I were to cmpare him to anyone I would say Iniesta with hints of Fabregas in there. Still a way to go yet but could be world class one day. Thoughts?

AG

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Good analysis mate, spot on.

I do agree, he plays like Iniesta and a little like Fabregas, could be one of the best in the world in 4-5 years.
Future looks blue and bright :).

ELI

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He will never be as good as iniesta

but if you claim he plays like him and fabregas he doesnt need to bulk up because people wont get close enough to him before the balls gone

plus bulking up means losing mobility

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You do realise youtube is just videos of players best bits ade akinbiyi looks good on youtube

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To the seond comment: bulking up does not mean losing mobility, ever heard of hulk? and doesn't nessessarily need to work on his size but may need to improve his strength, like rami and mata

to the 3rd comment: if you acctually watched the video you would see that it is not a highlight video but a video of all his touches in 1 match. Stop trying to show off because you look like a tool

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Yer his best bits in one match i bet its not 90 minutes long is it you flid and the reason hulk has pace is because hes always been big if your skinny and bulk up you lose pace because you weigh more

getting more strength means bulking up .....

so to sum up if your going to try and make someone look like a tool make sure you yourself dont look like one

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