Chelsea Banter Archive August 21 2016

 

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21 Aug 2016 22:01:25
Have not said much of late due to the negativity of a few fellow posters about current players. One or two constantly put down Willian and recently Cesc! What a pass for the winning goal yesterday. please get behind the players and ignore those on here who are so naive it beggars belief.

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21 Aug 2016 23:18:42
We're not negative we just want the team to improve we all know of Cescs quality but if we're going to play a two man midfield he shouldn't play, simply just doesn't have the legs for it.

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22 Aug 2016 07:27:27
If we keep playing Matic and kante, we won't create and don't move the ball quick enough.

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21 Aug 2016 20:35:38
I have watched mikel in the African cup and I have watched him in the olympics, he has played an advanced role and has been outstanding. Have we not used him in his best position over the years, and could he have a future at Chelsea?

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21 Aug 2016 20:41:19
Before we signed him he was an attacking mid, it was mourinho turned him into a defensive mid.

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21 Aug 2016 20:46:29
When Chelsea first signed him from Norway he was playing as an attacking midfielder. Mourinho knocked that out of him and wasted him in front of the defence.

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21 Aug 2016 20:51:54
Think I'm right in saying he was signed as an advanced midfielder but we moved him to DM. He's always performed pretty well for Nigeria but I honestly can't see him adding anything we don't already have as an advanced midfielder. Probably would sell him if possible as he'll just be in the way of Chalobah who I believe deserves his chance. Will always love Mikel for his performances vs Barcelona and Bayern in 2012 though.

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21 Aug 2016 21:55:28
Mikel and messi were too performers in a u19 World Cup. Mikel and messi! When you watch mikel live he's actually really laZy.

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21 Aug 2016 19:10:14
With Lukaku and Koulibaly seemingly out of the picture and hardly 10 days left can we please get a transfer update? Eds?

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22 Aug 2016 11:20:38
Koulibaly or whatever his name is has turned us down. Waste of money if you ask me but then its not my money so i don't care.
Lets go for a proven cb.

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21 Aug 2016 20:05:44
It's as simple as this, if we sign KK and James, we will win the league.

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21 Aug 2016 20:12:28
James will just be another Fabregas.

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21 Aug 2016 20:24:38
I rate him, different position to fabregas who I also rate, read a stat on fabreagas 2 days ago, since we signed him 2 years ago no other player has assisted more goals than him in England so as a creater he's doing his job I suppose, I think a lot of James and I want us to sign him, he could play of the striker I believe he's a better younger version than just mata.

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21 Aug 2016 20:25:53
Kevin keegan is a bit old for my liking, and his mate David James was a decent keeper in his prime, but would be a good back up to courtois.

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21 Aug 2016 20:32:21
Sid your to funny lol oh my days lol! , David jame lmao wow your really cool, oh and funny lol.

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21 Aug 2016 20:49:34
Don't think its as simple as that as United and City are very strong with great managers and Arsenal will be close if they add the necessary signings (CB and striker) but we'll definitely be a much better team with them! Really hope K2 does sign for us, think he'd be a cracking addition.

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21 Aug 2016 20:50:47
Both James and Fab are quality players I agree. But with these players the rest of the team has to "make up for them" in terms of tracking back and tackling. And in a league where the play breaks up so quickly this is an absolute necessity to have. Conte already has a difficult time placing Fabregas but with the arrival of Kante I guess he can be afforded that extra bit of space and time and I think he will be a regular starter in a few games when our team and formation looks more settled up. Bringing in James might be tough to handle for COnte and the team.

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21 Aug 2016 21:12:09
I played football as an attacker / striker and I always judge players on technical ability, I don't think running around when we don't have the ball makes someone a good football player, although I'm not stupid so I understand balance and a need to have players who are better with out the ball than they are with it , but I love watching attacking football I always watch Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid, psg, man city every week not because I like them or care how they get on, but because I'm a football fan who loves watching attacking football, I unconditionally. Love Chelsea win or lose play good or bad, as a result of loving attacking football I really really appreciate attacking technically gifted footballers, so i love fabreagas I love hazard I believe from an attacking view they are our 2 best players, but probly our worst 2 defenders, I would love to have James as I believe he is an awesome attacker, we should be ok defensively with a back 4 and Kante in front.

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21 Aug 2016 21:58:33
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Sorry nk91. But with out players like fabregas we don't even tick as a team! balls move so slow from
Midfiled to attack it's disgusting to watch, fair play conte tried reviving Matic but when u have a player split a defence open with a single pass, surely our teams best form of attack is in fact attack. It suits most of
Our players.

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22 Aug 2016 08:28:55
I think the reason we've seen a more defensive side so far is simply down to how poor we are at the back now. With a new CB and possibly a RB/ LB we'd hopefully be more solid and so we might be able to have more technical players than hard workers as we do currently.

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22 Aug 2016 11:29:22
Or what about a technical player. Who works hard, Koke, verrati, Sanchez, reus, I know I'm throwing names around but just because someone is good technically it doesn't mean they are lazy or have no legs.

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21 Aug 2016 19:04:47
Quick question I think we need a right winger and a more creative no 10
If you had 60 mill to spend would you pick
Rodriguez or isco

Plus I know we need defenders before you jump on me just a bit of fun.

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21 Aug 2016 19:18:29
Neither.

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21 Aug 2016 19:19:49
Rodriguez (James) definitely for me not in squad tonight neither.

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21 Aug 2016 19:22:59
None. Verratti, Koke, Saul, Reus.

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21 Aug 2016 19:57:52
We have 4 right wingers! With ability of Hazard and Moses to play as left winger. Considering current formation we need left back ASAP and one more central forward! If we somehow manage to sign Chielini we still have to sign left back and striker.

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21 Aug 2016 20:09:22
Nibby 77 he's in squad on the bench.

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21 Aug 2016 20:14:11
Veratti and koke are not number tens are they there more kante matic positions daton I know what your saying I would take veratti and koke everyday
But what number ten.

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21 Aug 2016 20:16:01
Verratti would be a dream but won't be happening. Not a massive fan of Kroos like everyone else seems to be. Haven't seen too much of Saul but looked a good prospect whenever I have watched him. Zeus is brilliant but his injury record is very concerning. I rate James but feel he isn't what we need at the moment. I know its obviously unrealistic and not going to happen but imagine if we could get Bale for that RW position! Douglas Costa last season before he joined Bayern would've been great as well but we missed out! Would like Cuadrado to get a proper chance but doesn't look like it will happen.

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21 Aug 2016 21:55:25
Yes sorry bout duff info lol must of had my eyes closed or just wishing.

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21 Aug 2016 16:50:55
Is there anyone got anymore info on the destination of where barbosa will end up next season.

Thanks.

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21 Aug 2016 20:22:17
It's interesting that it's all gone quiet on the striker front - and that Lukaku signed a new contract when no offer from Chels was forthcoming - Gabigol tied up a while ago?

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22 Aug 2016 06:06:54
Ed002 doesn't seem to be answering questions about progress with barbosa so I am naively hoping it's because Chelsea have managed to pull something out of the bag!

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21 Aug 2016 14:36:02
Napoli won't be selling kalidou koulibaly to Chelsea because
1) tonelli (backup defender signed in may 2016) is injured.
2) both kalaidou and Full back fouzi go to AFRICAN NATIONAL CUP In January, so they themselves will be short of defenders. They are themselves looking to sign at least 1 CB for partnering Vlad In January. They were looking at Nicola of Torino, but Torino seem to be unwilling to sell Nicola to them.

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21 Aug 2016 13:04:45
Any truth in the Cheillini rumours? I'm surprised Conte hasn't signed any italians so far. I feel Cheillini would be a great signing, he isn't so young anymore but a great defender and proven at every level. Could see a back three of, Zouma (when fit) Terry in the centre and Cheillini on the left. Opinions?

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21 Aug 2016 14:33:44
Can't ever see it happening, just like I've never been able to see Bonucci come. Would be a fantastic signing, though! Plus, Chiellini has also proven himself as a LB earlier. Wouldn't be optimal, of course, but a way better solution that Iva on RB, providing valuable depth!

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21 Aug 2016 16:47:48
One of the articles about him described him as a long term CB solution for Chelsea - he's 32! What are these journo's being paid?

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21 Aug 2016 17:56:44
He's too old. We do not need any more stop gaps.

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21 Aug 2016 20:25:05
Would love Chiellini but I doubt it's possible. If we're going down the route of buying 32 year olds, why didn't we go for Ashley Williams and why don't we go for Fonte?

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21 Aug 2016 20:39:48
Because fonte is crap lol.

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22 Aug 2016 11:23:16
Stop gaps would be ideal with Aina and christensen coming through and da silva on verge of being ready.

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21 Aug 2016 11:18:26
Two weeks in and this is shaping up to be a classic Premier League year. United and City both look good but I think we're a couple of tweaks away from being very competitive with them.

Personally I'd think we're best suited to playing four at the back. We're two, quality, CB signings away from being able to commit to a back three. Koulibaly is looking increasingly difficult; if I had one concern it'd be a similar CB signing to last summer.

We're set in midfield, two games in and Kante is indispensable to the team. I'd like to see him in a midfield three with Fabregas and one of either Chalobah or RLC; I think they're both ready, and capable of taking Matic's place of given the chance. Having Matic and Oscar rotating in too would give great depth of quality in midfield.

I really hope these James Rodriguez rumours are true, as him joining Hazard and Costa in a front three would be pretty special. Batshuayi and Willian rotating into the front free too would give us decent depth.

Things are looking bright for the future, let's hope the club adds a couple of real world class players before the window shuts and it'll be an exciting year.

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21 Aug 2016 18:17:13
All we got to do is stop walking around stand off football and press teams like we have in last quarter of hour. Do it for 90 minutes I see is hammering teams.

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21 Aug 2016 08:56:03
Won't happen, but Hysaj, James and Chiellini would be an amazing end to the summer.

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21 Aug 2016 10:24:14
Don't forget messi, bale and aguero.

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21 Aug 2016 11:06:15
I think there might be something in the James rumours, more like I hope there is.
I know some people don't want him buthe could be a very good partner for either Diego or Batsman, he can play on the wings, plus he can also feature behind a lone striker much more than the position he plays James would offer something different in the final third.

I for one would see him as a welcomed addition his technical ability is way up there with the very best and he isn't a lazy player maybe he lacks in physicality and isn't the quickest off the ball but on it he's a bit like David Silva as he drifts pass the opposition and has an eye for goal. His passing ability is also world class and is a dead ball specialist.

What do you guys think? I've seen some people say he'll just be a luxirious signing but I beg to differ, he could bring some much added quality to the side and would really help take defenders off Eden.

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21 Aug 2016 12:38:49
I watched a lot of copa this summer and I have to say that he didn't look all that good. He looked slow compared to average players, no offense to teams involved in the copa. I personally think he isn't necessary, but if anyone can get his fitness and attitude right it's Conte!

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21 Aug 2016 03:58:47
Hey guysh

Would Naldo or Mats Hummels not be an option for cb? Esp if big fees are being flung about. Or even chielini.

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21 Aug 2016 05:34:02
Lol do you realise Hummels has just signed for Bayern?

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21 Aug 2016 07:28:49
Naldo also signed for Schalke recently hahaha.

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21 Aug 2016 09:43:30
What's going on with Laporte, is he staying home in Spain? Haven't heard much about him the last couple of months.

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21 Aug 2016 10:08:40
Signed a new deal so very much doubt he'll move this window.

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21 Aug 2016 11:34:07
Ah righto. i'm not down with who has moved where at the moment. Maybe we should be a bit quicker. We always leave it till the last minute to pay over the odds for the crumbs.

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21 Aug 2016 12:44:39
I wouldn't say we always leave it until the end, just last season really. A CB is obviously a necessity but we shouldn't forget that Zouma is back in about a months time. Think once a CB is added and Zouma is fit our team will look very good. Add a LB or a RB and we'll be set, though there isn't many decent ones about these days.

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21 Aug 2016 00:52:03
Question for everyone, Who would u rather Chelsea sign Hector or Rodriquez.

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21 Aug 2016 01:55:06
Rodriguez due to being more of an attacking full back and that's wht he will be used for.

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21 Aug 2016 03:20:00
Rodriguez definitely.

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{Ed001's Note - why Rodriguez? He is awful defensively, nothing special going forward, his only real quality is deadballs. I do not understand why these crap full backs around today are so highly rated.}

21 Aug 2016 05:35:08
Ghoulam would be the best option he's more complete than any other full back we've been linked with.

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21 Aug 2016 07:36:57
Rodriguez is only 23, has nearly 50 caps for his country, has averaged 6 goals a season, is a set piece specialist, is 6ft 1, quite tall for a full back, gets a lot of assists, from his world class delivery, what a weapon he would be to contribute 10 goals a season from assists and goals, Plus we don't have a left back, we are playing a right back there, plus for 22 million in today's market is a no brainier, David beckham made a career out off set pieces and crossing, he was slow and weak but hand a magic delivery, for me I would defiantly sign him, and before anybody asks I don't own a computer and haven't played on Fifa for about 12 years.

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{Ed001's Note - Beckham was not weak, nor was he slow. He wasn't fast, he was just average in the pace department, but he certainly was not slow and defo not weak. He worked extremely hard on strength and conditioning to ensure he was neither of those things. He was also incredibly hard working, something Rodriguez is not. He does not chase back. Oh and he plays for a weak country, in a position that has very few players to pick from, so lots of caps means nothing.}

21 Aug 2016 08:00:46
I I think Switzerland are average not weak, we don't have a left back at the moment, if I'm honest I've only seen him play 8-10 times and I've been impressed in them games, although his best position would probably be left wing back in a 352, come on ed he's 10 times better than Moreno, he's the worst left back ever lol.

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{Ed001's Note - they are weak, they have no depth. Being better than Moreno is saying nothing, and he is not much better, at least Moreno attempts to get back, which is something you can't say for Rodriguez most of the time. The reason Azpi has been so successful for you is because he can defend, so he lets Hazard do the creative stuff. You now want to get a useless defender in to get in Hazard's way in the final third. Makes no sense to me.}

21 Aug 2016 08:02:45
For got to say he has 22 goals in 200 games also, basically 1 in ten games, better than some strikers or attacking mids.

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21 Aug 2016 08:18:59
No I now want someone to over lap hazard to take defenders away from hazard to create space for him, and he happens to have an excellent delivery, we don't have balance or anybody who puts a good cross in the box for strikers, azpilacueta is an excellent defending full back, never hardly gets beat 1 on 1, 100% commitment, but he offers next to nothing going forward, can't cross the ball because he's not left footed, can't pass up the line to hazard because he's right footed, against most teams Chelsea will have more possesion, so an attacking full back who has a quality delivery would probably out weigh the fact he's not the best defender in the world, just think ed, is real madrids Marcelo a great defender, no he's a good attacking full back, is jordi Alba a good defender?, no he's a good attacking full back, the games changed now days defenders are judged on technique, ball distribution, delivery, and so on.

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{Ed001's Note - and Real Madrid do not have a winger, as Ronaldo plays mainly in the box. You have a winger. That is why Pep plays with narrow full backs, to allow the wingers to provide the width, as it should be. By the way, Marcelo is massively overrated and nothing special, I would take Azpi any day, defenders should defend first. The game has not changed at all, it has always gone round like this, it is just the names attached to positions that varies. Now we have a DM, who is really a centre back/sweeper playing as part of a back three, just like way back in the days before a back four became prevalent. There is nothing new about what is going on, just people who know too little about history.}

21 Aug 2016 08:35:53
Well I agree to disagree, I think the best teams have attacking full backs who have to be good on the ball, have to be able to cross, be technically good, and if they can tackle that's a bonus, that's what I mean the games changed, years ago a defender would be big rugged, nasty, love a 50/ 50, but now they are smaller, better on the ball and get judged on ball distribution, it' says it all when the 2 most expensive defenders of all time are John stones and David Luiz, both crap at positioning or tackling, but world class at passing, starting attacks, so defending has changed, I seen ex pros, pundits say that Dani Alves is the best right back of all time even better than Cafu, purely because he gets forward and gets assists, but he's always out of position and I've seen him get ripped 1 on 1, but agin he's judged on attacking, you don't have to agree but can at least see where I'm coming from?

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{Ed001's Note - if you say so, but that doesn't mean you have to play that way to succeed. Copying is not the way to move forward. The best teams move the game forward, not just do what everyone else does.}

21 Aug 2016 08:52:12
Would rather see us sign a fullback who can play both sides e. g. Hysaj.

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21 Aug 2016 08:57:53
Cat what about playing kennedy as a wing back with the right tutoring do you not think he could fill that role? Or throw da silva in save splashing out on average players at best i'd rather see youth and i'd settle for top 4 any day to see this happen the next few years.

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21 Aug 2016 09:08:18
Yeah I know what your saying ed, I don't want to copy, but I would like Chelsea to play attacking football, also about the game changing, look at goal keepers, they are now judge on passing ability, distribution, 20 years ago they were not, so the way the games played has changed, all heading in attacking football, people now say 442 is extinct, old dated and so on, but 20 years ago everybody played 442, years ago you had a box to box midfielder who did everything, now you have a defensive midfielder, a deep lying playmaker, a typical number 8 midfielder, an attacking midfielder, years ago strikers were all 6 ft 2 good in the air, strong, you know the old fashioned English centre forward, now you have messi, augero, smaller better footballers, judged on technical ability instead of height and strength, I've been watching footballl for 34 years and I've seen that the way football is played has changed, full backs included.

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{Ed001's Note - 20 years ago was years after Bruce Grobbelaar had been playing in the Liverpool team because he was so good on the ball. So again you are showing that you do not understand the history of the game when you make your comments. There is nothing new in what is going on. Nothing has changed, you just lack an understanding as you clearly missed small technical forwards such as Maradona and Zola in that time.}

21 Aug 2016 09:46:59
No ed it's different now, yes you had maradona, but now now they train keepers and defenders to play football, and they get judged on how good they are on the ball, if you don't think the game has changed (ie) keepers and defenders being judge on technical ability over physical ability then your probly just doing it for the sake of the argument, if go as far as saying if Alan sheare was 20!years old now coming through he would struggle, because of his style, he certainly would not be top prem scorer of all time,

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{Ed001's Note - what about Hansen? Beckenbauer? Did they not exist? Just because it is fashionable now does not mean it never happened in the past. Shearer would have to change his style, because he used elbows etc, but that does not mean he would not have succeeded as he was excellent technically. Go and watch the goals he scored from volleys, they show an excellent technical ability is there. Having known a number of people who were at the Saints academy at the same time as him, I can tell you with absolute certainty that a great deal of emphasis was placed on technique there.}

21 Aug 2016 09:59:59
Danny 83 I see Kennedy as a winger / wide forward more than a left back, I think my point may be taken the wrong way with the full back situation, I think it's just as important to be good at attacking as defending if your a full back, there's no good being the best crosser, or being skilful if your at fault for 2 goals every game, but also you have to be an outlet, you have to attack over lap, put good crosses in the box, chip in with goals, get assists, join in with general play, and if you play for a team that usually had more possesion than opponents, you should be attack minded, otherwise the attack will break down because the player who is attacking is really defensive, so just stops and gives a 5 yard square ball, and the attack basically breaks down, I'd rather see a full back race to the byline and get crosses in, you can get defensive cover for a attacking full back from your defensive midfileder, but at the same time if the other team is on top he then has to defend and not go bombing forward, game mangment, I just think it would give us a different attacking angle, because at this moment in time we have a centre back playing right back, and a right back playing left back, sometimes when full backs play defensive / deep they invite pressure, an attacker will not be met head on until he gets near our box, then it's to late because 1 good cross and it's a goal,

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21 Aug 2016 10:11:51
Yes you can name good players from different decades, but years ago the English style of football was called kick and rush, now they try and play, years ago as you mentioned before players were deemed to small (ie) Dennis wise at Wimbledon but now there judged on technical ability - Xavi, Kante, verrati, listen ed I don't want to come across as argumentative or what ever, but I have my views on football the same as you do, my views will not change, as for Alan shearer in 97 he finished behind Ronaldo and Zidane as 3 rd in the world player of the year, he was a good finisher, great header of the ball, a typical number 9, but now days teams are not as direct, there isn't as many crosses in the box or long balls, teams try and play from the back, in today's game he would be best suited to a team in the bottom halve of the table.

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21 Aug 2016 00:33:17
we really need to get a new CB if we wanna play WITH two CF which i think is the best for the present team. we need a really good and pacy CB.

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