Chelsea Banter Archive October 20 2012
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20 Oct 2012 23:32:55
Guys, pls let's stop the hate. Just support for all our players, at least for once it looks like we have a team! Everybody did well, and Mikel was by far our second best player on the pitch. Did u see him 'driving' with the ball? At one point I felt it was Abou Diaby.
Bas!cs. {Ed061's Note - He forced Friedel into a save, I almost wet myself! I really want the bloke to score now, although imagine if we are in a position to let him replicate Claude Makele come may and step up to the spot. The team would go ballistic if he banged one in.}
Well said Ed.
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Im sorry, its good you back our players, mikel was no where near 2nd best today, cech, mata, hazard, oscar, cahill, cole were all better. mikels mess up 4 the 2nd goal. it annoys me that romeu is left on the bench & gives alot more to the team in every apartment apart rom holding onto the ball.BLUEBOY1
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What i hate Basics is people that throw around nonsense labels, I thought this was the banter page for Chelsea fans not a love fest or dating site. Once that ball is in play every fan is rooting hard for our team to succeed however we also critique team and individual performance after the game and talk about ways we think our team can get better. If u disagree with what someone saw then explain ur reason why but don't tell us what to think and label it as HATE.
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Basics you don't know what hate means. We're criticising, not hating.
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20 Oct 2012 21:15:29
Roberto Mancini says we will sign radamel falcao but it is still chelsea in the driving seat as it stands
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20 Oct 2012 20:02:46
If we become as clinical as Man City we will extremely hard to beat. I love Torres, but how come his confidence to take risks and shoot early still hasn't come back.
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That is the only part of his game missing mate.The rest of the stuff like his off the ball running,dribbling and runs are brilliant.His creation of space is also excellent.But I think last year and a half of criticism and bench warming has dented his confidence big time,so much so that he is afraid to miss and is over thinking his shot making.But with a few more goals he would probably be back to his old self.But his contribution to the team and the way the top four are linking up is unquestionable.Just needs to shoot more.He will be back to his best.
roan {Ed061's Note - He will never get back to his old self IMO roan, but he is a far more complete player now, just a far less potent striker. We have had 13 different goalscorers this year, which goes to show the system we are playing doesn't need someone playing in the normal no.9 role.}
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Totally agree with Ed, as long as we continue playing the way we are and Torres is putting his shift in, I don't really care how many goals he scores.
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Well I have to agree with you ed ,but the optimist in me hopes that atleast he regains some of his lost confidence.
roan {Ed018's Note - and he has, his biggest issue is, he's not as quick and fast as he used to be. That's why I think he tries to hold the ball up more and look for the pass}
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You suggesting we should try a false no.9 Ed061?
A11 {Ed061's Note - No, I'm just suggesting FT has been drifting away from the traditional no.9 role for a while now. It started last year when his confidence was shot to pieces, he no longer had the belief he could score like he use too. It didn't work for him last year, but luck would have it, his new style of dropping back into midfield to receive the ball, his tracking back and his ability to create space for the magic men to work in, is top shelf stuff.}
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To your point ed061, that is why i believe we would be better off spending a little more for a young Neymar instead of a nearly 27 year old, albeit, inform Falcao
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Hmm I see were you are coming from ed ,even though he is not as lighting quick as he was in his pool days he is still quick enough to get into one on one situations with the keeps and keeps the defenders on their toes all the time .But he is definitely hesitant while he is shooting and he is over thinking when he tried to curl the ball into the goal today he definitely put his heap up to look for options and was a bit hesitant before shooting and narrowly missing,these were the chances he would take in his sleep during his pool days.
His improvisation for the goals was awesome during his pool days now we do not see it only once he did hit against Newcastle this season.
It is a complex one ,but as he keeps his all round performances up I will be delighted to see him play.
roan
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The issue i have with torres and you could see it yesterday is the fact that when the ball goes down a wing hes rarely ever in the box, or is just standing at the back post. and with the formation we play the striker always has to be moving in the box otherwise its just empty. {Ed061's Note - I do agree at times he could see that the cross was coming in but decided to stand on edge of box. You have to understand though mate, Torres does need to score for us to win, and his off the ball movement is something that is his strength. People will always moan if he doesnt (not aimed at you) but with the team we have now he is perfectly fine playing his new style. Once it starts costing us (it won't IMO) then we can give dan a run.}
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20 Oct 2012 19:33:50
Does any one know why marko marin is not on the bench, he has only featured once against wolves in the league cup, his he still at the club or what because there seems to be no mention of him. DAVECFC.
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Yeh would like to know why he aint playin anyone know why not, cheers. superbluesforever.
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We have 20 players competing for 18 spots for match day. If you look at today's bench we had the likes of Turnbull, Azpilicueta, Bertrand, Romeu, Lampard, Moses and Sturridge. Who would Marin displace? Not to mention that when Terry is back, Cahill will most likely be on the bench. For me the bench should have a goalkeeper, 2 defenders, 2 midfielders and 2 attackers. Which means that Marin would be competing for a place on the bench with Moses and Sturridge.
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My problem is we don't need sturridge and Moses and we don't need azpilicueta and Bertrand. We need one or the other. Marin is brilliant really good dribbler.
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Yes but Marin would only play if one of the three behind Torres is tired, hurt, or need a rest.
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20 Oct 2012 18:55:06
one thing i missed today,, who was captain? cech? BLUEBOY1 {Ed061's Note - I didn't catch that either BLUEBOY1, but would assume it was Petr.}
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Yes cech was captain.
Blue con {Ed061's Note - Thanks Blue con!}
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Your welcome
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Cheers blue con and ed BLUEBOY1
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20 Oct 2012 16:54:18
omg west brom you are crap... 1-0 up against 10 men city and lose 2-1
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Im gutted :( {Ed061's Note - Lukaku had the chance to bury the game from all accounts. I wouldn't be gutted mate, first time we beat the spuds at home since 05. It has been a good day.}
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20 Oct 2012 16:19:13
What's the latest Nottingham Forest Score ? {Ed061's Note - 3-0 mate. Reid. Ayala and Sharp the scorers.}
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Thanks mate, keep me updated {Ed061's Note - 3-1 now mate Helguson goal. 85min played.}
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20 Oct 2012 16:08:56
Recorded the game just got back to watch the goals. Oh my lord what a ball from hazard to mata!! Watched it live & it was impressive but good lord!! Man of the match mata no doubt but rameris was awesome today to. P.s Cahill what a strike!!
Sideshowbob {Ed061's Note - Mata should at least be considered for Ballon D'Or IMO, won more in last 12 months than messi and Ronaldo combined. Ivanovic is still a worry.}
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Couldn't agree with you more ed. Ivanovic did worry me at times. At one point he was in Tottenhams 18 yard box and jogged back when the were countering. Always has me on the edge of my seat when he goes forward to attack, {Ed061's Note - Me too mate, it must be all that junk he has in his trunk that's slowing him down :-)}
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Yup,the problem is once he goes fast one way he seldom has the energy to run back as fast immediately.He is very good in both the penalty areas but just needs to venture forward a little less and maintain his position. A year ago he did not venture forward that much and was extremely solid but now that he is bombing forwards all the time he leaves a big space behind him and is unable to track back as quickly.
roan
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Aha Ed, I can't say I'd really noticed his junk. Didn't know you swing that way ;)
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20 Oct 2012 16:00:38
I believe the way chelsea are playing at the moment Di Matteo will get the sack and my dad who is a courier, has seen Roman with AVB in London which suggests the master could be heading the way back to the bridge. {Ed061's Note - Hahahaha your dad is taking the piss. If RDM is getting the sack then I'm due a Nobel Prize for excellence is English grammar.}
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My Dad just told me instead of AVB returning, The special one might return as he just phoned me telling he saw Roman and him in London. {Ed061's Note - My dad saw Roman with Shankley.}
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Ed trust me, I am not lying ! {Ed061's Note - Well then I'd consult your local GP because something is certainly wrong upstairs.}
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Just watched real madrid and mourinho beat celta vigo. Two places at once, if anyone can do it the special one can!
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20 Oct 2012 15:53:13
just think how good we will be if we had falcao! missing part of the jigsaw!kevinCFC {Ed061's Note - We would be unstoppable Kevin. I said to our good mate Ed025 when we were 2-1 down, this is where champions are made, he said and lost. Silly everton supporter he is.}
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Lol! torres gotta go that one on one he fluffed up by taking a age to shoot just proves how bad he is! falcao would of scored that just think of him with mata hazard and oscar puttin balls threw for him!
kevinCFC {Ed061's Note - Kevin Torres suits the 3 attackers perfectly. He creates the space they run into. Just be happy mate!}
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Well said ED061,I just want him to take some shots at the goal.But the rest of his game ,his off the ball running ,dribbling and passing is quite brilliant.People who slag him or want him to go need to see the value he brings to the team.The movement and passing of the top 4 players is fantastic.
roan
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20 Oct 2012 15:38:24
Our best lineup today,maybe replace iva with azpi but either should have done the job.
Oscar - Mata - Hazard = OMAHA
aL
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Romeu for Mikel yet another f up from him {Ed061's Note - Mate Mikel had an outstanding game. Was by far third best player on the pitch behind mata and Defoe.}
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20 Oct 2012 20:33:37
Guys, pls let's stop the hate. Just support for all our players, at least for once it looks like we have a team! Everybody did well, and Mikel was by far our second best player on the pitch. Did u see him 'driving' with the ball? At one point I felt it was Abou Diaby.
Bas!cs. {Ed061's Note - He forced Friedel into a save, I almost wet myself! I really want the bloke to score now, although imagine if we are in a position to let him replicate Claude Makele come may and step up to the spot. The team would go ballistic if he banged one in.}
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20 Oct 2012 15:26:41
Love all the pundits writing us off on sky in the build up to the game ( ESP on sky ) absolutely tore spurs apart today. With plenty PLENTY left in the tank. Allegedly spurs were the form team in the premiership?? So were arsenal before we played them. Apparently spurs have the most potent attack in the premier league?? I know they were missing bale/ dembele but we didn't even go through all the gears. Sad to lose the two goals but from 2-1 down we showed the berries to get through it. Could've had more. We'll see after the united games coming up but is there a better player in the premiership right now than Mata? I don't think so. Our front 4 are ridiculous. Watching them on tv doesn't do them justice. I'm dizzy just from watching them today!! Couldn't be prouder to be Chelsea!! Best game I've seen in ages. We are Chelsea super Chelsea. Boys did us proud today!! X
Sideshow bob
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Well said mate, the four are brilliant and as somebody below has pointed out this team is going places.
roan
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20 Oct 2012 15:17:08
Come on Stoke
Come on west brom
Come on come on
Beat them Manchester Di**heads
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TORRES IS KING
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20 Oct 2012 15:15:10
Well, what a result, what a team and what a great attitude. This team is going places. Proitos
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20 Oct 2012 15:12:23
A brilliant performance by the players especially by Mata and Hazard.The rest bar Cole and Luiz were good.Cole and Luiz had a mixed game for me.Some of the tackles they made were fantastic but some of their decision making was a bit suspect,especially for the two goals .
Torres should have atleast a goal goal.Mind you ,his game bar in-front of the goal is quite brilliant.It is a very complicated thing with him and the complication is due to his drought last season and the half a season before.The thing is when he is taking shots instinctively he is scoring,but the problem for him arises when he has the time to think ,he gets confused with what to do in-front of the goal keeper.He should just hit the ball instinctively and should be back to his best as it is the only part of his game that needs to be improved.He should just strike the ball and not worry about the personic critics.Everything is going well and I hope Torres shoots the ball instinctively sometimes,so that he could score a lot more.Then we will become complete.Mind you we are quite good now.
roan
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20 Oct 2012 15:07:43
A great victory today! I just must admit I was nervous for a second but we battled back wonderfully. When we are on we are positively scary. Surely United are a tad nervous for next weekend. We are top of the league seven points clear DESERVEDLY! We know who we are, champions of Europe!
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20 Oct 2012 15:05:29
wow juan mata, just wow
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20 Oct 2012 15:01:48
Torres looked tired physically and mentally today give him off until the united game,give Sturridge a good 90 against Shaktar and get Torres back and raring to go against United! {Ed018's Note - he does need a break, I agree Sturridge against Shaktar)
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Are u serious ed, he just came off a 2 week break where he was selected but didn't play. {Ed061's Note - Think about the month ahead mate, I'm sure Ed018 was meaning we need him fresh for the next month of prem.}
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20 Oct 2012 14:55:00
Theres some voodoo rubbish going around with me
had mata in my fantasy team for the first 4 games
replaced him with hazard for the last 4 games
lost out on both's good forms
taby {Ed018's Note - I did about the same thing}
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That's why I've got both :)
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20 Oct 2012 14:50:03
"The Chelsea fans are chanting, We Know Who We Are CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE" Martin Tyler
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Love it!!
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20 Oct 2012 14:47:50
Andre, whats the score !!
andre, whats the score !!
(heard around the stadium today)
taby
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20 Oct 2012 14:45:45
Very happy with that performance today, whole team did well bring on utd.
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20 Oct 2012 14:43:36
4-2 grat result TORRES could have had 2 goals but works hard for the team
7 points clear
TORRES IS KING
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20 Oct 2012 14:42:49
Mata is still our best player this year, closest thing to Xavi in our team and possibly closest in the league.
4-2 To The Euro Champions!
EH17 {Ed018's Note - he was unreal today. A great 3 points}
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20 Oct 2012 14:40:42
what a performance from Mata!
Jordan
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20 Oct 2012 14:40:37
Great result. We're looking different class atm.
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20 Oct 2012 14:19:24
75 min gone and mikel has been brilliant. Mata awesome hazard really gd Torres hard working
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Great team result today, we learned a lot about the character and determination of our young lads. So much for that '1 of JT or Lamps needs to be on the field at all times...' eh Melbourne.
Mikel started the game well but imo he didn't start the 2nd half well at all, tbh the team didn't re-start well but the position Mikel plays is vital to the defense. Mikel played better the last 15 min of the game but he looked like old Mikel from 45 to 75.
GO BLUES
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20 Oct 2012 14:01:57
S*** 2-1 to them :((
TORRES IS KING
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20 Oct 2012 14:00:39
there you go mikel fan boys loses the ball again & they score ! BLUEBOY1
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20 Oct 2012 13:48:39
Who's on the subs list?
MB11
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20 Oct 2012 12:57:35
Who do you think is the better striker,
Victor Moses or Daniel Sturridge
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Moses
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Considering moses isnt a striker id say sturridge
Jordan
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Sturridge all day long.
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20 Oct 2012 12:35:30
No dembele,no Bale. Now this will be a bit easier but we CANNOT underestimate them!
TORRES IS KING
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Try telling that to Spurs. Oh Dear 2-1. Hehe
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20 Oct 2012 12:21:48
F*ck sake, just turned on football focus and its all about Liverpool! Do they not have enough pointless air time on Channel 5 on Friday nights? You'd never see another mid table team like Villa getting this much air time.
On another note. Great team today, can't wait for it. 3-1 Chels, Nando, Ramires and Mata.
OsgoodIsKing
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20 Oct 2012 11:26:17
chelsea vs spurs:
Cech
Ivanovic*Cahill*Luiz*Cole
Ramires*Mikel
Hazard*Mata*Bertrand
Torres
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Bertrand starting! marin not on the bench! RDM really?
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He's not starting Oscar is
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He is starting oscar
Jordan
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20 Oct 2012 11:20:33
, we can't play IVANOVIC, he will cost us the game. We NEED to play AZPILLICUETA to keep up with bales pace
TORRES IS KING
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Bale isn't playing.
IB. {Ed061's Note - nor dembele. Time to get too the bookies boys!}
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20 Oct 2012 10:36:22
The international breaks are pretty boring,can't wait for our beloved club to start playing again.Hope we win today.
roan
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20 Oct 2012 10:13:17
Who is who on the Sun Dream Team mini league?
Surewould
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20 Oct 2012 10:12:03
Chelsea team I'd start with today...
-----------------Cech-------------
Ivanovic----Cahill---Luiz----Cole
---------Ramires---Obi Mikel----
Hazard--------Oscar--------Mata
---------------Torres------------
Cech should lead the team in the absence of Terry and with Lampard not starting, however I would still be tempted to start Lampard in this game - and I think RDM will be very tempted to start him.
I'd really like to see Azpiliqueta and Romeu gets starts sooner rather than later, but they won't in this game, if they haven't been eased in yet then they won't start today.
Next four weeks are going to play a huge part in Chelsea's season! KTBFFH
Surewould
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roan {Ed061's Note - I completely understand your point roan, but it's time to drop the petty feud. Osgood apologised and it was accepted by Ed025. That's the end of it as far as im concerned mate and I will be deleting any more posts on the subject.}
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20 Oct 2012 07:31:03
Wen do we get are goalkeeper back from A. Madrid {Ed061's Note - End of this season mate.}
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20 Oct 2012 07:28:00
Hi ed what's the chances of us putting a bid in for falcao in January thanks
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20 Oct 2012 07:26:46
Hi ed what's going on with the young rb cesar why is he not playing I know ivanovic is a goal threat but he does get court a lot many thanks {Ed061's Note - He will get his chance mate, don't stress about it.}
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20 Oct 2012 07:17:48
Its not even november yet and you guys are already pestring the ed's on transfers.
Get a grip guys we have a game can we talk about that like we used to and leave the questions till at least early December. Boy......
ELI
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20 Oct 2012 04:43:07
Ed061, is Fernando still nailed on for Chelsea in January?
KiwiRed {Ed061's Note - I knew I wouldn't get the bloody weekend off}
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20 Oct 2012 04:17:06
Hi ed can you tell me that if falcoa comes in chelsea in january than it is possible that torres can leave?? {Ed061's Note - Anything is possible mate.}
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20 Oct 2012 02:20:09
I was watching chelsea vs arsenal from last year (5-3 to them) and we played LOVELY football
CECH-great saves
Boswinga-useless
Ivan-many interceptions and good in air
Terry-same as Ivan
Mikel-great passing and good interceptions
Rami-good hassle
Lampard-he was standout player in this attack midfield role
Mata-brilliant
Sturridge-didn't pass
Torres-looked sharp
All I'm saying is I do like this new attacking style of football but I think lamps is wasted in defensive midfield as he is always caught out of position but does not suit this new style and shouldn't be played against tottenham
TORRES IS KING {Ed061's Note - You left out the bloke that cost us, Malouda!}
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I watched last season review and cech should have saved 2 or 3 of the goals. BLUEBOY1
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19 Oct 2012 20:33:57
ed do we have any interest in jordan clasie {Ed018's Note - are we pulling names out of thin air}
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