Chelsea Banter Archive November 01 2015

 

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01 Nov 2015 19:31:46
There is a rumour going around that one of the players said they would rather lose than play for mourinho. How true it is I do know but either way it won't help the mood of the squad.

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01 Nov 2015 19:49:40
Only 12 hours late bud.

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01 Nov 2015 20:32:07
Whoever the player is should be bundled out of the club, no matter what happens with the coach.

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01 Nov 2015 21:26:14
Rubbish story of someone who's been told something by someone who heard something somewhere from someone else.
The story will get attention so job done for those behind the it.

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01 Nov 2015 23:56:50
Seems like you have 11 players who would rather lose than play for Mourinho.
I joke of course :-)

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01 Nov 2015 16:39:28
When you watch Tadic and Mane you can notice how true winger should play.

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02 Nov 2015 12:15:40
Saido Mane is a brilliant player, Tadic not so much.

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01 Nov 2015 15:39:05
Everyone needs to relax and know Courtois is back soon and we will turn this around! Hazard is lazy and playing pathetic I think he is trying to show Mou he doeany want to track back and we should have taken DOUGLAS Costa not Pedro but too late now! Nowhere to place Mou now as any other coach won't do better and his Dad has been really sick so anyone who would be where he is may be feeling the same and nit his players are under performing not just his fault or defense sucks! We need to attack more and we need to play more ball control we do neither so until we wake up we will be bad! lastly look at Klopp last year with Dortmund can Happen to any club.

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02 Nov 2015 12:16:54
Yeah because Courtois will make the midfield solid, and the defence stop conceding clear cut chances, and he will score the goals as well?

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01 Nov 2015 12:14:40
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Saturday Review

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01 Nov 2015 10:45:04
Sad times fellas! Very sad times!

Bit of a poll/question thing

Agree if you feel mourinho should stay!

Disagree if Mourinho should be sacked!

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01 Nov 2015 11:24:16
Really can't believe any Chelsea fan would want him sacked. We are in a huge slump but believe will be out of it, even stronger with Jose.

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{Ed001's Note - who do you replace Jose with anyway? Who is there better out there to replace him? It seems crazy to sack him unless you have a better option lined up and I just don't see a better option. Only Ancelotti is out there that could really be considered better. Even that is questionable. I mean that could be brought in this season, so the likes of Pep Guardiola and Klopp etc can be effectively ruled out as replacements.}

01 Nov 2015 12:07:46
Personally I'd rather see the big players at the club leave before we get rid of Mourinho. If they don't want to play they can F**K OFF.

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01 Nov 2015 12:24:18
We'll said lads! I actually thought he jury on here was mourinho out! Glad to see I was proved wrong!

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01 Nov 2015 12:58:11
I know it's a cliche but the question has to be whether Mourinho has 'lost the dressing room'? From what I'm hearing he has lost the support of a significant number of the players and it all goes back to his behaviour towards Eva Carneiro who was well-liked. The players lost respect for Mourinho over that episode and Mourinho's failure to apologise. As someone posted on here yesterday, you can't sack all the players so where does that leave us?

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01 Nov 2015 13:14:56
So let's just sack a manager every 6 months to keep the players happy. Let's set an example and sell every player who is against Mourinho.

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01 Nov 2015 13:22:20
Agreed magical Eden. Sack Jose and continue the circus we've been in for last 10 years.

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01 Nov 2015 13:41:10
I think the problem is our tactics, we are do boring going forward and I can't see it changi g as mourihno is stubborn and doesn't give youth a chance! We lose all the games so why not put rlc and traore/kenedy on each game?

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01 Nov 2015 13:45:13
But that isn't going to happen, is it? Unfortunately, the players hold the power. So I ask again, where does that leave us?

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01 Nov 2015 14:01:32
And I've just give you the answer can you not read? Whichever group of players are against Jose should be permanently dropped then SOLD!

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01 Nov 2015 14:04:00
Sadly if results doesn't change in next two games, there is nothing else but just to sack mourihno.

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01 Nov 2015 14:36:28
Carlo is a better choice with this group of players. Sorry but Jose is ruining this side. Need free flowing attacking football. Not this petty stand still and pass. Wether u like it or not, Jose ain't the man to manage players like hazard, pedro, Matic. Fabregas, Oscar! Baba, cheek, Ramires. We need quick football, not slow negative boring football. I'm sick of watching lack of movement. It's like football u see 7 year olds play all running towards the ball.

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01 Nov 2015 14:40:56
Can you not read: this isn't going to happen - the players will not be sold - so where does that leave us - with half a squad that don't want to play for the manager, that's where! I agree that it is ridiculous to keep changing manager every year or 2 but, if you read back through my posts, I warned that reappointing Mourinho would not be a positive move - he has sold Mata, Lukaku and De Bruyne because he can never admit to being wrong and now Hazard wants away - and Mourinho will never place any trust in youth so we will probably lose a batch of the younger players presently out on loan and keep buying experience like Pedro and Luiz! AND we will have to put up with boring, defensive, turgid football. That's my case for why Mourinho should go - what's your case for him staying apart from 'but he's a Chelsea legend'!

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01 Nov 2015 14:59:31
Totally disagree with the Ed here. Sometimes change is enough to bring back a de-moralised Team back on track. It does not have to be another fantastic manager initially anyway. Jose must go and he will. He is the trigger and not necessarily the cause of a Club that is going backwards and moving away from the very thing it is supposed to be representing i. e. FOOTBALL. It has become a Business that happens to include football instead of a football club using Business to fund itself.

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{Ed001's Note - good point.}

01 Nov 2015 15:44:39
My issue with sacking Jose is that I don't think our poor performances are solely down to players lack of faith in him. Some players are just shadows of themselves this season and I don't think a new manager will change that.

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01 Nov 2015 15:59:35
I cannot defend Mourinho's persistent behaviour with the media but I do not accept that he has gone from a 'God like' status to scapegoat in 10+ games. It is common knowledge that his Father is ill and that is a concern for all in that position but those that know how dig deep into the web and see what else he has to contend with. Hazard, Costa, Carneiro, Ivanovic and Emanalo; true or false but enough to stress anyone.

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01 Nov 2015 16:53:09
Mrs. Costa you have forgotten names like Schurrle, David Luiz and above all Ryan Bertrand ( our biggest problem is left back position-since Bertrand left he became English international) . You already mentioned KDB, Lukaku and Mata.

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01 Nov 2015 16:53:44
I just want an attacking manager, it's hard to sit through 90mins even when we win so defensive, could you imagine Real Madrid wingers bursting a gut to get back and defend? Or Barcalona wingers, no Do WHAT ATTACKERS DO BEST = ATTACK! # hazard, costa, Pedro, Willian, oscar, fabreagas! Square pegs round holes! Stop defensive boring crap mourinho!

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01 Nov 2015 19:35:54
With regards to Jose staying or going will probably be decided in next week or two. But I read above saying to sell players who are not trying or playing for the manager.
My problem with those players to my mind are a disgrace. All these players are handsomely rewarded by the club, and idolised by the supporters. If they don't get on with the manager that's one thing but do they have no loyalty to the club or supporters. IMO opinion I agree that three or four players should be sold. I know ed said that would not happen, but when you consider those players that are not trying are possibly Oscar, matic, fabregas and sadly hazard. That is 150-160 million of anybody's money. That could get us 4-6 good players who work and do a good job. And show us and the club some loyalty.
Very sad thought after last year but I cannot believe those four players being as bad as they have without a little bit of intent to do so.

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02 Nov 2015 12:21:28
Kevin de Bruyne (Been on fire at Wolfsburg and Man. City)
Juan Mata (Has been one of United's better players since moving)
Andre Schurrle (Has been brilliant for Wolfsburg)
Mohamed Salah (Has been on fire ever since leaving)
David Luiz (In a DM role he was brilliant)
Romelu Lukaku (Scoring consistently for Everton and is better than Costa imo)
Peter Cech (Should have never accepted an offer from Arsenal, PSG or Juventus)

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{Ed002's Note - There was good reason for 6 of those players leaving.}

01 Nov 2015 10:36:31
Everything has been so poor this season, both the performances and results. There is no one I would rather see than Mourinho as manager for Chelsea and I'm 100% by his side. Having said that, I do think if results and performances stay the same he will probably have to go as we cannot jeopardise the rest of our season. I'd be lying if I said I know why things have gone this way this season, but I have a few suggestions. I think losing both Drogba and Cech (who have both been brilliant for their new clubs) has hurt us, not particularly because they would contribute to our performances but I think we are missing their leadership qualities. Courts has been a big miss. Begovic has been good but not great and I think he has declined recently. Some of Jose's decisions have been poor as well. Zouma is NOT a RB and Mikel is not good enough to be starting for us. Why promise Loftus-Cheek a run of games and then play him for one half (in which he played well)? Hazard needs to be dropped for a run of games rather than just the one to show him that his performances haven't been up to scratch. And although it makes me very sad to say it I don't think JT has the legs to start for us anymore.

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01 Nov 2015 18:05:19
Saim, I agree that JT has lost his legs but the problem is you mention leadership and he's the only l-on-field leader we have - everybody else are as quiet as door mice.

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01 Nov 2015 10:05:19
What's people's opinions on Costa? I love the guy but once again I can really see him getting banned for that small stamp yesterday. The FA will definately enforce another ban on him. I think him and the premier league will just turn into another Suarez affair. I've never believed rumours about him leaving before but if this continues I do expect him to go back to Atletico.

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01 Nov 2015 10:37:43
Fine with his antics until he actually tried to hurt opponent. That's where I draw the line.

His performances come best with counter attack and fast attacking. Slow build up doesn't suit him at all. Look at him for Spain, rubbish. Look at him for Chelsea early last season. World class.

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01 Nov 2015 11:57:36
If he put a fraction of the effort into scoring goals as he does trying to get everybody and anybody sent off, he would be world class. Same goes for the rest of your squad. The PSG game should have been a wake up call for you guys. Instead it seems to have been a template on which to base future performances and behaviour. Everyone loses games, but there is a right and a wrong way to lose.

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01 Nov 2015 13:05:55
I doubt whether the FA will take any action as the referee obviously saw the incident and decided to do nothing - that said, there is a difference between being hard and competitive (see Mark Hughes) and being dirty and snide (see Costa) . I don't rate Costa as anywhere near the same level as Drogba, Hughes, Zola or Jimmy Floyd so I don't think that he'd be a great loss.

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01 Nov 2015 13:56:53
I've said it in the past but he's a liability. Besides Suarez there isn't another world class player out there that gets suspended as often as he does. He has to know that cameras are waiting for anything to make him seem like a thug and yet he still does stuff. In addition to this he came back from summer very overweight which demonstrates poor professionalism. He also has chronic hamstring issues. All of this leads to him missing a bunch of games and having to shake off the rust whenever he returns. He's kind of like sturridge where you need to have two top quality strikers because you can't count on him to be available consistently.

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01 Nov 2015 09:12:28
Liverpool fan in peace, just wanted your guys opinion on where it's going wrong atm. Is it mourinho? The players just not buying into it and losing confidence? I believe that the public pursuit of stones as hurt massively. Previously you've mentioned a player paid the price and ultimately got the player. However this time you didn't and it would naturally effect the confidence of your defence and I think that lack of confidence has spread. Would love to hear your guys thoughts in if mourinho can fix it.

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01 Nov 2015 10:39:44
Mourinho can definitely fix it. But it's the players that need to make the change. Hazard has not stepped up. Mourinhos top players have let him down and he's showing faith when they don't deserve it.

The play style is also a problem. As the players aren't buying into it.

Change is needed, not a managerial change though, that's for sure.

Congrats on your victory yesterday fella!

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01 Nov 2015 14:01:14
Agree. Almost top to bottom the players performances have dropped (some staggeringly so) from last year. Jose also hasn't helped his case by being overly trusting in players who are killing the team (Ivanovic) and playing very odd tactics (Zouma at RB instead of Baba at LB) . Combine this with the fact that seemingly most teams we've played have played their best match of the season against us. You add in the staggering amount of breaks we haven't gotten this year and you land yourself where we currently are.

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01 Nov 2015 17:37:39
He did it last year and didn't complaint. Mourinho lost it this season mate.

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01 Nov 2015 04:30:44
To freshen things up and to avoid the predictability of our approach to each match, against dynamo kiev I think we should go with 2 strikers up front, more like a 442 or 352 which will give us an edge up front and bring an element of surprise to the opponents. Last season utd played 352 and were slacked by critics but they still managed to come 4th that means it worked quite well for them.

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01 Nov 2015 00:30:12
Blimey boys, there's a slump and a mega slump.
It's hard to put a finger on it, but I don't think it just falls at the feet of Mourinho.

You are obviously missing Coutinho, a terrific keeper, but in fairness, your defence are leaving Begovic open, time and again.

JT, a top defender and terrific Captain, is struggling and doesn't have the same effect on the team as previous years.
Cahill, very decent Centre Half, but only plays his own game, thus unable to Marshall the back 4.
Ivanovic, by his own terrific standards, woefully poor this season.

Fabregas was terrific last season, certainly up until Feb/March, since than, seems uninterested, as his '1' assist so far this season has proved.

Hazard, unbelievable last season, but this season has hardly effected any games in your favour.

Costa, again terrific last season, is suffering from your negative and slow approach to games, hence one goal so far this season (league), compared to about 10 goals at the same stage last season.

Oscar I like, but hardly influences any games.
Matic seems to have upset Mourinho, not sure why, but it shows in his game.

Willian, in my opinion, by far your best player, but can't win games on his own.

Mourinho is a terrific manager, I have always said that, but he needs to take the shackles off and let the team play.

You remind me of Utd under LVG, too tight, too rigid, too slow in your attacking play and too pedestrianised.

What would worry me, if I was a Chelsea supporter, is can Mourinho change things.
Fantastic manager if top of the table, he can pick a team and a formation to stifle the opposition and avoid defeat, thus remaining top of the table, but can he change his team, and more importantly, his style of play to catch teams who are many points above them?

I'm not having a pop and I don't expect you to agree, just expressing my views.

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01 Nov 2015 08:33:59
You're completely right though, Dags. All the players you mentioned bar Willian have been playing like ghosts of their former selves. I still fully back Mourinho. To me, he's the best in the business and while he has his faults of course, there's no manager I'd rather have to get us out of it.
Only thing that sometimes irks me is that when the starters aren't delivering the goods, why not try the younger guys? Traore, RLC and Baba IMO should get more time on the pitch.

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01 Nov 2015 08:50:42
I'd be supprised if you get a reply dags, they do a mourinho and refuse to do an interview in case the FA shuts down the Chelsea banter page.

I do believe that someone has posted on the conspiracy page "are the FA using secret black technology to control referees and give Jose the old heave ho"

They should be ok because the kgb are involved now

Enjoy your Sunday.

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01 Nov 2015 09:19:29
They will reply Growbun.
Jackson is a top boy and loves a bit of banter and MagicalEden is the same.
I upset a few of them last month with my Gabriel/Costa comments, but they knew where I was coming from.
All good banter at the end of the day.

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01 Nov 2015 10:06:51
Your lack of faith in me is disappointing, growbun ;-)

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01 Nov 2015 10:31:41
Ha both posts were printed at same time, mine wasn't a reply to you mate, just wanted to get the bit about black weapons in there lol.

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01 Nov 2015 10:41:34
Come on growbun that's unfair mate!

Some of us are. Okay.

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01 Nov 2015 12:25:29
Are. Okay ;)

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01 Nov 2015 13:09:37
Dags, I don't think our situation would be helped by having Coutinho in goal! And Klopp might be not be too pleased either!

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01 Nov 2015 13:55:22
Sorry Mrs Costa,
I meant Courtois of course :-)

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01 Nov 2015 18:56:16
I agree with you here dagenham, mou clearly sees that something is wrong. with the team. but keeps. playing the same bunch of people. FFS just throw young guns in the game, you can't become worse if you are worst already.

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31 Oct 2015 22:54:14
Hey Arsenal fan in peace.

Jose has to stop his daft war with the FA . Look I can see that you have had bad decisions against you but no more and no less than other teams.

The problem is that Chelsea fans and other fans alike can see that it's not the case, Jose is making himself the target and he is trying the alex Ferguson routine but the problem is it's not working for him like it worked for sir Alex! He needs to be accountable and back track and admit he is wrong because he is seriously ruining his great reputation and yes the man is great!

Enoughs enough and it should be back to basics for you guys! You have the players no excuses. But mourinho needs to except that the world isn't out to get him and that yes you have had bad decisions against you but from what I can see you have been the second team in all the games you lost!

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01 Nov 2015 08:41:48
Yeah, we shouldn't be blaming the ref as we're not playing well. But be honest now, if Ramires would've done what Leiva did today (break up a counter with a late challenge while already on a yellow), do you think he would've gotten away with it? I'm 99% sure he would've been sent off.
It was 1-1 at that point, and that changes the game in a huge way.

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01 Nov 2015 09:41:34
Yeah he should have been sent off. The problem is mourinho has tried to do a fergie and get in the heads of the refs, but it's backfired and mourinho can't understand when it used to work for fergie and in Joses head he is just as big and just as relieved as SAF and refs are probably thinking and giving decisions they are unsure about against you. But mourinho started the game and now he's stuck inside of the mind games and can't get out.

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01 Nov 2015 10:06:58
We can't keep relying on refs though. We deserved to lose. The worst part about it is that it was Liverpool the team I hate the most.

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01 Nov 2015 10:33:46
I'm sure it will come good! Just needs to hurry up because any more dropped points and it will be really tough to get into top 4.

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01 Nov 2015 01:16:30
Can somebody also please tell me why Falcao was brought on instead of Remy today? That decision still baffles me. I'd probably start Remy over Costa at the moment. Remy = Goals.

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01 Nov 2015 13:11:39
Agree totally - Falcao has looked the exact same player that didn't perform for the mancs last season. Why we signed him God only knows.

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