Chelsea Banter Archive January 01 2020

 

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Joel Matip

01 Jan 2020 23:21:59
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Joel Matip

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01 Jan 2020 22:10:28
Even though we Drew if somebody said that we will gain 1 point in all our top 4 rivals (minus arsenal) I would have taken it.

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01 Jan 2020 18:26:54
Ed001 what are your thoughts on tammy abraham
I will get dogs abuse but I don't think he is anywhere near ready to lead Chelsea line
Cant hold up ball
First touch is awful
Cant pass
And decision making is suspect
I have thought this for a couple of months now
Plus I don't think Frank knows his best team system or tactics it all seems a bit off the cuff a lot of square pegs in round holes especially in midfield and full backs
Just curious as to how you see it.

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{Ed001's Note - he is a youngster, he is not ready because he needs experience and he will only get that by playing. It is all very well sending them out on loan, but the experience players need is only going to come from playing for the team that actually owns them. When it really matters how they perform as they won't be going back to a different club in a few months anyway.

He is very raw, but Abraham is a goalscorer and that is something you just can't teach, whereas you can teach hold up play and technique etc. You just have to be patient with him and he will come good I am sure.

As for Frank, I would be worried if he did know those things now. He should be still experimenting and learning throughout his career, but in particular now it has to be a learning curve. This season is, in essence, a free hit for him, so he should experiment with systems, formations and tactics to get an idea of who suits what best, ready for next season.

What Frank needs is a rough patch, so we can see how he deals with it for one, but mainly so he can learn early, while he is still finding his feet. Then he will find out about his players and we can all see which of the youngsters really are the real deal. Those that are will grow and come good when the going gets tough. Those that don't have it (yet at least) will go into their shell and can be moved on.}

01 Jan 2020 19:53:48
Good summary Ed and one I totally agree with.

Tammy IMO will carry on improving. He strikes me as a bright lad and he seem to be willing to work hard at his game.

Lamps is like a lot of our players, work in progress!

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{Ed001's Note - for me Abraham has shown massive improvement over last season, when I really was not convinced he was anywhere near good enough to score goals in the Prem. Well not this many goals anyway. I thought it would be Batshuayi who would have to step forward. So I would say this season was a thumbs up in terms of Abraham stepping up.}

01 Jan 2020 20:15:39
Thanks for reply Ed puts things into perspective appreciate it.

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{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate. It is difficult to show patience when it is your own team.}

01 Jan 2020 20:58:33
Chelsea need a new striker who can provide some serious competition for Abraham who I agree is very raw.

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01 Jan 2020 21:07:44
Something that has me ed is frank has said so many times that he wants his wingers to go in behind, make runs, half way through season and we haven’t seen that by any of them, i Get when teams camp in there own 3rd, wasn’t long ago cesc would hit a pass and Pedro from nowhere would be trying to get on end of it, we lack that risky run, and what’s latest on striker front, Werner / dembele linked for a long time and last few days it appears Werner never had a release clause and may be expensive again, were very keen on sancho, we getting anywhere with negotiating a fee.

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{Ed001's Note - Pulisic used to be very good at running in behind, as did Willian. But most teams don't give you much room to do that to be fair.}

01 Jan 2020 22:19:18
Well we need options, clearly hasn’t the confidence in michy and Giroud, Barkley can’t behave or injured, Pedro another one not in plans, hopefully we can add some names linked.

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01 Jan 2020 18:21:14
I dare someone to post that Jorginho had a good game! Jorginho is absolutely useless. Jorginho is a liability. Jorginho should never be allowed to pull on a Chelsea shirt ever again.

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{Ed047's Note - couldn’t agree more mate, literally no idea what anyone sees in him.

01 Jan 2020 18:43:22
He can’t defend can’t score and can’t assist he just passes it very well out of his own half that’s it. If any Italian club came in for him I’d sell him straight away for a proper holding midfielder and then break the bank for a proper midfielder who can score and assist like a Bruno Fernandes. Too many players don’t suit this system.

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01 Jan 2020 18:46:40
Saying that I’d love to see Reece James in midfield he can pass shoot and is an absolute powerhouse. If like to see a three of Kovacic, James and Mount with Lamptey RB.

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01 Jan 2020 19:11:25
It’s like his there to see the game out at 4-0 up, sideways and slow passing, no risky forward penetrating passes, calls for it and then first time pass to a CB. zzzzzz.

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01 Jan 2020 19:41:03
Well well, not for the first time I find myself defending Jorginho but hey ho, we are all entitled to opinions!

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01 Jan 2020 20:46:03
I've given up on defending him Tom. Some people don't want another opinion. Short memories as to who changed the Arsenal game when he came on.

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01 Jan 2020 20:54:38
Haven’t posted for a while but regarding Jorginho I don’t quite understand his position and I think this is the main problem in the team especially when our attacks break down. Is Jorginho supposed to be the holding player, say like a quarter back spraying passes and then sitting to protect the defence or is he supposed to be pressing high up the pitch.

When our defence has the ball jorginho looks for gaps to receive the ball to feet and then tries to get us moving, this is something I think he does well and has cut out a lot of silly mistakes from last season.

We’re I think he is really bad is when the opposition has the ball, instead of keeping the midfield shape he charges forward to squeeze the play but leaves a huge hole in the centre. When playing in a 3 this squeezing job should be kovacic or kante job and Jorginho should just orchestrate.

I think the best thing Lampard can do is give us back the best holding midfielder their is in kante and put him back in there and tell him to sit and protect the defence.

Jorginho is a good player but he’s trying to play too many positions which unbalances the team.

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01 Jan 2020 20:57:51
Spot on dihanio. Same people just different names in general. I do think it’s funny when they reply to their own posts!

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01 Jan 2020 21:00:33
I won't bother responding to Jorginho criticism. The truth is the team in general have been so poor recently and so picking on a certain player is plain stupid.

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01 Jan 2020 22:16:48
Jorginho was good against Arsenal - but to be fair Fred was just pinging passes around against them in the second half.

It might not be where he is best, but for this squad, at this time, I think Kante has to sit at the base of the midfield.

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01 Jan 2020 22:20:06
The tactics changed the game v arsenal,

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01 Jan 2020 22:41:19
Tactical change against Arsenal was certainly effective Matt but Jorginho was named MOM.

For someone to post he should never put on a Chelsea shirt ever again is bizzare.

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01 Jan 2020 18:07:53
Bournemouth conceding and being dominated by West Ham, looking forward to them keeping a clean sheet and nicking a goal against us next up.

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01 Jan 2020 18:43:54
Burnley in the league next mate.

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01 Jan 2020 17:36:26
We've been bailed out by Southampton and Watford today beating Spurs and Wolves but we can't keep on relying on them to drop points to get top 4.

We definitely need to enter the market for a LB and an attacker with goals/ assists. I don't think Sancho or Werner will be joining this window so I'm not convinced we'll get top 4 if we get someone like Zaha.

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01 Jan 2020 16:56:12
Leicester well and turkey pulled away from us, ( we were once ahead ) luckily spurs drop more points, arsenal to do us a favour and take points off United.

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01 Jan 2020 17:04:00
Truly*.

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01 Jan 2020 17:29:38
Christmas auto-fill still kicking in Matt?

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01 Jan 2020 15:56:12
I personally think CHO needs a loan you know. He's getting the Sterling treatment but even Sterling scored a few early on CHO has only scored against Grimsby.

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01 Jan 2020 16:03:05
Let’s give the young lad a break. He has just come back from a bad injury and he is still learning his trade.

He will get plenty of minutes as the season progresses starting with Forest at the weekend.

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01 Jan 2020 17:41:10
I actually think he's been getting better and better recently, and I think that he played fine today?

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01 Jan 2020 19:15:44
Supporters want to see youngsters play and have been moaning for years for it. now it's happening they want instant success. can't win 🤔😶🙄

at the beginning of the season all of us would have taken a top 8 finish and now we are on a bad run all our players don't deserve to be in the side crazy.

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01 Jan 2020 19:55:47
Totally agree Wheely.

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01 Jan 2020 20:44:01
Thanks Wheely. Needed to be said.

I think the early season run of results has given fans a false sense of expectation for this side.

Ed001 says it above, this season should be a free swing that fans should just accept. There'll be good and bad results cos it's a pure transitional season.

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02 Jan 2020 06:39:57
agreed! yea its frustrating but it's great to see our young lads play.
At the end we will see who good enough.

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01 Jan 2020 15:34:59
I know people will say he's indispensable, world class, the first name on the sheet, most important and best player etc, etc.

But Kante was poor today, and not for the first time this season either. He wasn't effective in the defensive or attacking phases of the game, it just completely passed him by.

It may well be how he's being asked to play, but he looks like a square peg in a round hole. He may well be an indispensable, world class, first name on the sheet, most important and best player square peg - but it doesn't make him fit any better into the round hole.

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01 Jan 2020 16:04:23
True J, Kante hasn’t been at his best for last few games!

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01 Jan 2020 16:19:02
Agree, I think he’s on the decline. If Madrid offered Hazard money I would be tempted to sell and replace him with a piper holding midfielder.

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01 Jan 2020 16:26:37
Have a read of Lampards comments after the game on the 5th stand. He names Kepa, Rudiger and KANTE as the stand out players Today.

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01 Jan 2020 16:33:00
He will be back to his very best before long.

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01 Jan 2020 17:37:51
Think Kante was poor today he was so far forward at times I was baffled. I hope it’s just form too but i don’t think he’ll fit in with Franks style of play eventually.

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01 Jan 2020 17:42:11
While I'd agree that some of Kante's latest games haven't been the best, I think he played well today! - Just as you say, G8 - one of our best players today.

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01 Jan 2020 18:03:15
Unfortunately we never had a player that played to an acceptable standard other than Kepa.

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01 Jan 2020 13:27:59
1-0 up away at Brighton. We started the half brightly, however things have become very scrappy and Brighton have created a few chances near the end.

I hope that Tammy Abraham mistake doesn't cost us dear. He should have slipped the ball through to Willian rather than shoot. Bad decision I'm afraid.

We need the 2nd goal to settle the nerves.

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01 Jan 2020 14:31:49
This draw pobably goes down alongside the other lethargic performances we have witnessed recently. Gosh it was so poor. The players seemed so off the pace and we are lucky to even draw this game in the end because Kepa bailed us out. The players gave the impression that they didn't want to make that extra sprint.

Kovacic came on and he looked so clumsy and unfit. In hindsight Mount should have stayed on. Pulisic came off at a time he was looking really lively. This result is poor.

Not sure what else to say about out performance which was very flat.

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01 Jan 2020 14:37:10
Pulisic was direct, at least showed some willing to wat to take someone on and get a shot off, looked tired thou,

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01 Jan 2020 14:54:23
We need new attackers and you can see why, some of these will be warming the bench soon and they can’t complain.

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01 Jan 2020 12:11:49
I think Azpi will be used as first choice LB until we sign another. Emerson on the bench and I'm not even sure Alonso is injured I think he's off. Really hope we go for Telles or Grimaldo over Chilwell. He was very poor against City and Liverpool people will be calling for his head very quickly on here if he had them performances for us. Happy to see Reece back hopefully see Lamptey get a start vs Forest 🤞🏻.

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01 Jan 2020 10:41:52
Happy new year to all the Ed's and all the posters who have made this page brilliant. Chelsea Family :-)

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01 Jan 2020 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 31st December 2019

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01 Jan 2020 00:25:16
happy new year posters. Hopefully we are as successful this decade as the last one, and the windows open, hoping we buy smart, quality over quantity,

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01 Jan 2020 10:32:17
Happy New Year Matt and all other CFC posters, and to the wonderful Eds.

Let's back Frank to have the 2020 vision needed in rebuilding CFC into another title winning team!

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31 Dec 2019 23:50:44
Happy new year to eds and posters.

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{Ed047's Note - happy new year blulion.