Chelsea Banter Archive September 19 2012

19 Sep 2012 23:25:32
Terry or lampard will not be dropped whilst RDM is the manager. He doesn't want to upset them. It's wrong though when they are not justifying their position in the team. I feel sorry for Cahill. He's probably our best centre half but doesnt get a look in.

I'm still baffled by RDMs fascination with bertrand in midfield.

If he wasn't going to start Mata tonight the 3 attacking mids should have been, Moses Oscar and hazard. Then Ramires should have replaced lampard. And romeu should be in the team instead of mikel but we know that's never going to happen.

Id like to see cesar at right back as well. Yh Ivanovic has scored a couple of goals this season but other than that I've not been impressed with him.

Ads

Well done,this is spot on in my view.

19 Sep 2012 23:10:33
Torres was the only one who had a "bad" game, Hazard was very quiet tonight. Torres and Hazard especially hazard play well with Mata, Harzard lit up when Mata came on. Mikel had a bad game, just when I thought he had stopped his foolishness, Romeu should get a chance to play. Lamps played better but I still think he should play less, he gets forward but doesn't track back often enough. Oscar played well but lacked in his defence, but overall was very good.

Zen

I agree with the majority of what you say, however i disagree about oscar lacking in defense, he kept pirlo quiet the whole time he was on the pitch. Excellent display both attacking and defending by oscar

aL

I actually thought oscar made some good tackles and started play. it aint that lamps dont track back its how long it takes him to get back. BLUEBOY1

19 Sep 2012 22:56:06
The problem is not with Torres, we were alright going forward, considering we were up against the statistically best defense in Europe and we scored two goal (admittedly they were crackers) but at times we had them stretched across the back and looked good. The problem is, is that we lack control of the middle of the pitch. The reason why we don't boss the midfield is because we are playing two very slow players in the pivot. Tonight we saw the perfect example of a defensive midfielder in Vidal. Fast, can pick a pass and doesn't mess around! Plus he can score. Mikel can't do this. The reason why Essien was soo good in that position was because he can do all of the above, the simple fact is, is that Mikel can't. We have a Barcalona prodigy on the bench who plays this position and was excellent last season, yet he doesn't play.


PR!

True Romeu for mikel alongside ramires as our holding two

Totally agree. Although Essien doesn't really score goals.

The thing is Essien has a screamer in his pocket for example barca and spuds

FT9

But he does score more than Mikel, and is better going forward aswell.

PR!

Torres is rubbish,at lfc he was rubbish for all but one season,whatever he had is gone and to be honest if any club offered anywhere near 14mil for him i would snap their hand off,the problem is, R.A. prob doesnt want to look like a complete dick especially after the chevchenko comedy.

19 Sep 2012 22:29:23
Well, this game was very interesting. Firstly, I think the two goals scored by Oscar were just awesome. For a 20 year old to be that confident to strike from range against a goalkeeper like buffon is quite something.

Another point of interest was the formation and line up di matteo put forward. I have to say it brought more balance to the squad on paper however I couldn't help feeling some players were a bit out of their comfort. I do prefer an attacking midfield in our lineup. Oscar being in the team came as a surprise. If he was going to make his starting 11 debut I would have thought it would have been against QPR or a lower BPL team... Nonetheless he played very well.
I was even surprised matteo brought him off...

Torres was a bit quiet. Perhaps having the attacking confidence and flare of people like Oscar and hazard around him dampened down his attacking intent.

The central midfield is a bit of a problem and may be something for matteo to work on. Lampard, Mikel, Ramires. Interesting. We need a solid partnership going on here whoch is what we're lacking at this position. Something solid and withstanding.

I certainly feel we need to stop conceding goals to team which to be honest dint have much attacking flare like juventus.

To be fair to Torres, we were playing against the best defense in Europe, which was proven by the fact that both our goals were from long range and pretty much unsave-able.

Torres played well. He did a lot of ball chasing and generally worked very hard. It's not his fault not a single goal scoring chance was created form him.

But that is his fault aswell because there was a few balls crossed in to the box and he was standing on the 18 yard line and not trying to get onto the end of the cross.

Blue con

19 Sep 2012 22:02:31
lets see who backs mikel and lampard now! an more importantly lets see if ed61 embrasses himself again trying to defend torres! another performance that warrents the sack!


kevinCFC

Torres was playing against the best defense in Europe, which was why we only scored from long range, and wonder goals at that.

Mikel had a shocker. He just stood there watching after his misplaced pass just before the second Juventus goal.

Well, one big deflection to be fair,the other one yes.

19 Sep 2012 22:08:40
Im gonna keep posting this line up, hopefully someone somewhere will notice it

Cech
Azpi Cahill Terry Cole
Luiz Ramires
Hazard Oscar mata
Torres

Jm10

Jm 10. I'm giving you the job tomorrow. Thats the team we all want to see.

I second that motion, shocking selection yet again by RDM, what will it take for him to drop Mikel/Lamps and dare i say Terry, they are holding our young talent back.

You are far better than RDM

19 Sep 2012 21:51:44
Wouldn't Vidal look good in a Chelsea shirt? Proper defensive midfielder.
EH17

19 Sep 2012 21:49:08
Hey Ed. are you able to hire a manager in the january window or do you gotta wait for end of the season? {Ed061's Note - You can hire a manager at any time as long as they are not contractually bound to another club. I don't see the relevance, Chelsea has a manager.}

Reply to ed061, we dont have a manager, it shows

19 Sep 2012 21:48:02
Why is Luiz playing ahead of Cahill?
Mikel was Lazy again.
Torres was useless again.

Mr.Abramovich ,please make the Falcao and Torres swap happen,lets get rid of him!!

O yeah blame it on torres even though its the 3 slowest in our teams fault LAMPARD TERRY MIKEL!

Luiz gave away a few silly fouls. but was brilliant, if we had another leader like terry, terry would be dropped he was terrible

19 Sep 2012 21:45:28
I'll say this now before everyone else. V stoke at weekend Romeu needs to start. First half closing down erc was gd, RDM took of rami and Bertrand on? Bertrand is a LB ? So...
Ivanovic cahil terry cole
Lampard Romeu
Mata oscar Hazard
Torres
Either 4231 or 433,
Also towards end gams hazard wasn't having any luck and out muscled,, be nice to of seen Moses, quick direct strong

Luiz was great defensivly terry wasnt.

I agree just thought for stoke game it'd suit terry better. Also not lamps but either Ramires or luiz next to Romeu

19 Sep 2012 21:44:43
Very disappointing 2-2 is not good enough. when does RDM learn to play the right people its haunting me, maybe try sturridge because torres dosent seem to have it in him atm. First game Oscar played against a difficult opponents as a starter he scores the same ammount as Torres has done in what 5-6 matches? its simply just not good enough, even tho i really want him to get better but just seems like he aint.
RDM need to get he's rubbish together and stop playing bertrand as a winger, kick out lampard instead hes not doing a good job at what he is doing. we have Mosses sitting on the bench a f*cking winger and yet he wanna play with 7 defending people... no wonder we wil get kicked out in the first game after group round.

Not sure what TORRES did wrong in that game.

19 Sep 2012 21:43:21
lets hope that is Milkel's last game.Ever.

I did say after the community shield that the sad day would come when mikel makes a huge error, and only then would be dropped

There we have it

Jm10

19 Sep 2012 21:41:57
Going forward as a team we look brilliant, the combination of Oscar, Torres and Hazard tonight was excellent. But Mikel has got to go, he wasn't good enough 2 years ago, he's not good enough now.

RDM don't play him again, or you'll lose your job.

PR!

Agree. If RDM does not find an alternative to Mikel he is a gonner by Chistmas. Proitos

We are better at attacking than defending. whats happened to RDM and his 'WE WILL PLAY TO OUR STRENGHS' we if thats the matter drop lamps, terry mikel and play cahill romeu & mata. BLUEBOY1 on a good point luiz played well and what about oscar!

PR, why do you think we look brilliant going forward? 2 long shots we scored from, other than that we didn't trouble Buffon. didn't create anything at all.
Tim

To be good going forward doesn't necessarily mean scoring goals, I meant that they as a three brought the rest of the team into play. Without those three, it could have been a lot worse.

PR!

19 Sep 2012 21:37:38
i knew getting rid of essien and merelies would bite us in the bum. oriol was the only option on the bench. torres isolated and had no chances. decent point, but much to improve on

19 Sep 2012 21:29:37
Let's hope rdm never plays mikel again, absolute shocker!

Jim132

19 Sep 2012 21:27:22
Jon obi Mikel is garbage need a holding midfielder asap

Romeu ramires in the pivot 4 me, said if since last season, still saying it now. BLUEBOY1

19 Sep 2012 21:25:50
This ref is nearly as bad as Mikel

19 Sep 2012 20:47:52
Wow !What magnificent goals absolutely stunning.The front three have been magnificent .Ramires has made some great runs and interceptions but needs to just be a bit more aware in the six yard box.Lamps and Mikel have made some good interceptions but they anlong with the back four need to tighten up a little and mark some of their runs.All in all a good first half.
roan

19 Sep 2012 20:42:07
Surely now Oscars starting every week after this? He can't drop him now can he? And he sure as hell can't drop Hazard? And with Mata being our player of the season, surely he cant drop him either?

Looks like RDM could be forced into the line-up we all want!

Come on Chels!!

OsgoodIsKing

Drop lamps, mikel aswell

19 Sep 2012 20:38:01
ramires mikel lamps mlost the ball 23 times in 45 minutes, thats proof if rdm needs it.

19 Sep 2012 20:21:02
Didnt i tell you Oscar should be our first choise ;)

19 Sep 2012 20:12:02
What a bunch of persons you chelsea buns are. {Ed061's Note - Aren't you just a charming little flog.}

Last time it was checked we were all people thanks for clarifying that

curt

19 Sep 2012 19:11:17
complete proof roberto di matteo is a knob with the line up tonight. drop lamps or mikel play ramires centre and then play a proper wide player.

I totally agree, Lampard and Mikel arenot screning the back 4 at all. We r getting caught out time and time again. The scoreline at half time is dangerous. We need to take Lampard off and play Rameires in the middle. Moses should be on the right side.

19 Sep 2012 19:02:49
Who would Curt play in midfield v Juventus ?
I'm not keen on Mikel and prefer Romelu .
Thanks. Bulldog Bill .

19 Sep 2012 18:00:32
If we play with Bertrand and Ramires on the wings then we are just inviting juventus to come and attack us. Juventus have a great defence and midfield, but lack good wingers and a striker. Therefore no need to double up on the wings. Oscar should definitely start along with hazard and,if fit , mata. If mata is not fit moses. Mikel is going to start and I would start him to as Romeu has had zero game time. Ramires should be the other cdm, obviously.

Jordan

19 Sep 2012 15:19:26
Mikel said he respects pirlo and once on pitch he wants to win but would like to learn something from him?? If mikel learns how to pass forward tonight from pirlo win or lose it'll be gd

There might not be two more opposite midfielders.

Tk

19 Sep 2012 14:12:38
After reading all posts below, i've come to the conclusion that we need 2 new signings in Jan or the summer. My ideal team next season would be as follows.....
Courtious
Azpili,Luiz,Terry,Cole
Rameris,M'Villa
Mata,Oscar,Hazard
Falcao

Subs....
Cech
Ivan
Cahill
Bertrand
McEachran
De Buyren
Piazon
Marin
Moses
Lukaku

I know we cant have 10 subs! But wouldnt like to see any of the above leave!

We need to sell Torres (will never be the player he was) Mikel (Crap) Lampard (will be off to usa and good luck to him) Struddige (not guna sign a new contract, bit of a shame cos where ever he goes he WILL score goals).

Agree or disagree?? DJ

Not bad but if any defensive player joins i can see it being fellani instead of mvila

curt

Never seen Fellani play DM, he plays AM for Everton. I wud suspect he wud be just as crap as Mikel in that position. I may be wrong. DJ

He use to play dm. Untill last season, and he does for belguim aswell

I'm suspect about Fellaini. To start yes he will be available but the price will be massive. Everton payed £15m and I suspect they will want in the region of 25 for him now. Beyond that he hasn't played in a defensive role for some time. He plays in the hole this year and has been box to box for most of the previous years. We need someone to match up with rami who is box to box meaning we need a guy that sits back. With that said M'Vila is the perfect fit besides his attitude questions. He's only gonna cost £15m and his preferred position is the holding role. In my opinion M'Vila makes more sense.

Tk

For 25m there must be gd DM we can get, couple gd ones in France, axel witsel depending how unhappy he is after his move to zenit, {Ed002's Note - Why would Witsel be unhappy?}

Josh alongside Ramiries next season with Hazard Mata/Oscar and Marin/Moses in front of them, guile, pace, ball retention, trickery..awesome

Cos he will realise he can be playing for top team in Europe and top league n what mistake it was going for money

Cech will still be first choice keeper,apart from that not bad.

19 Sep 2012 11:47:18
Essien looked brilliant last night for a guy that hasn't been playing football for a year now wish we kept him i think having him in a deeper role alongside Ramires would've really been beautiful!

IF he stayed:

Cech

Ivanovic*Cahill*Terry*Cole

Ramires*Essien

Hazard*Oscar*Mata

Torres

would anyone have had a more balance team than that in the EPL?I doubt it...

Views please?

Perfect !! B

I begged for RDM to play him but he never did. Hands down he was the best midfielder this preseason.

Tk

19 Sep 2012 11:06:44
Whys there do much talk of Torres being a flop again? His scored 3 goals in 5? MattM

19 Sep 2012 10:46:29
Cech.
Ivanovic. Luiz. Terry. Bertrand.
Lamps. Fellaini.
Oscar. Mata. Hazard.
Falcao.

Sell A$hley to PSG and Torres back to the Scousers if they'll take him or include him in the Falcao deal which would see him where he came from in the first place.

Job. Done.

Dont ever call Ashley 'A$hley' and expect to be liked by other Chelsea fans. Go join the Arsenal bandwagon if thats how you see him.

OsgoodIsKing

Ashley has won bigger n more titles here than he did at arsenal
face it, arsenal never gonna win the CL.
so he left arsenal to join a team with more ambition and who can afford the best players...so that tag cashley is really senseless...same goes for nasri, rvp etc
taby

Ashley Cole is a Chelsea legend. End of!

CT13

19 Sep 2012 10:18:24
its funny how i got slaughterd for saying sturrigde should start instead of torres and now ur all agreeing!

feel free to say sorry


pinky

The majority of us said he needs to start some more games to see the better option

didnt actually say he should start every game so no noone needs to apologize to you

curt

I was saying that sturridge needed to start or bring in another striker because torres wasnt going to be the same. Dont believe me go and check.

Blue con

Those are the only two people on this site that seem to agree with you...