Chelsea Banter Archive May 18 2013

18 May 2013 22:40:30
Was wondering if John terry will lift the Eurovision trophy tonite.

18 May 2013 20:15:04
I'm not going to either praise or slate Rafa, but I want to share my honest opinion on the season before the last game.

Since Mourinho has left Chelsea we are facing something of a slow winter. Eversince Scolari and his crew came abroad we are witnessing dip in form and lame results when the temperatures go down.

Ancelotti famously called it a "bad moment" and it sticks with us each year. Scolari got sacked in "that moment", so did AVB and RDM.

We start the season brilliantly each year, go down and pick up again in march. Managers come and go, but this already a weird and troubling pattern. Hence it is hard to say whether Hiddink was a genius in restoring our form? Was RDM a master motivator in turning the corner and delivering the biggest trophy? Is Rafa better than we though by achieving targets he was asked to upon hiring?

Only Ancelotti got past the winter blues. Therefor it's hard to tell really how big of a role is of a manager at Chelsea football club. 5 seasons. 6 managers. Same form patterns, same problems. At the same time, some great results in that span.

Therefor I think solving our physical conditioning and preparation for a season is a key in turning us into a true powerhouse. We got great talent, great upcoming players. Every desirable trophy one may think of, winning mentality, high hopes and expectations. Come home Jose.

JG

Do you know what I have never seen it explained or put like that but it is so very true. Ancelotti should never had been sacked anyway. He is one manager who would actually of made some of our youngsters first teamers a w while ago.

I call it yellow ball syndrone.

If you notice when the EPL start using yellow balls performance dips when they return to white ball we improve. Stupid I know but look at the change as soon as the colour of the ball changes

18 May 2013 18:56:11
I want to say keep Raffa but then the Benayoun substitutions come to my mind and they spoil it

Yeah those are reason enough for me for him to leave.

Tk

18 May 2013 18:43:49
Trying get de bruyne to go on loan at Leverkusen is ridiculous considering his a lot better than shurrle so either offer little bit more money or keep de bruyne.

18 May 2013 18:05:43
Do you club not have a high opinion of de bruyne considering they seem to be pimping him out for transfers rather than utilising his talent

De Bruyne > Schurlle {Ed002's Note - That is not the issue.}

Is De Bruyne and Courtois turning into a square peg in a round hole situation Ed? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean.}

18 May 2013 17:18:35
don't you think that some or maybe just one Southampton fan keeps trolling all the websites looking for all posts regarding Luke Shaw and then replying Luke Shaw is ours.
we get it man. he's yours. but this is a banter page and he's been put in dream squads of all fans. doesn't mean we'll forcefully buy him. jeez calm down. you should be proud of producing a player everybody wants.

taby

I completely agree! When ether someone posts the name of Luke Shaw there is a knee jerk reaction from Saints fans. It seems they are a bit of a weird bunch

No, its not the Saints supporters who are a weird bunch, but you lot who keep yearning after a player that is not for sale. If you started making the same comments re Messi you would equally look persons.

Yes, it is banter, and it is more fun because so many of you metropolitan persons don't have a clue about what goes on in other clubs or what their players have committed to.

Because Shaw had a few problems with Hazard, (but not that many), should all Saints fans drone on about how we are going to buy Hazard?

If your owner actually had a record of allowing young English players such as Shaw a real chance your yearning may almost justify being linked to rumour. And when he is old enough for Chelsea then the fee will be so high you will be ruled out by the Financial Fair Play regs!

Good job MOTD doesn't give Saints more time, you might notice we also have the future England RB as well, and that would really be upsetting for you, especially as he was just down the road from you and moved for a very modest fee! If you bothered to consider why that happened, you will realise why you won't see Shaw at Chelsea.

Only supporters I know who make a reference such as "forcefully buy"! Just shows you really don't know what is possible.
You need to get out of London a bit more.

LOL! going to print screen this and post it around when he signs next summer, cannot wait. chin up mate.

Actual LOL. You think every transfer that ever happened because the club wanted to sell them? Clubs sell players because the players want to leave or because they're offered a good deal.
I fail to see your point with the Hazard reference. Never mind the fact that you wouldn't be able to afford him, whereas we're more than capable of buying a dozen Shaws.
FFP won't be a problem for us, as Ed has said. Not to mention the fact that it's largely expected to be the biggest spending summer ever, not just for us.
FFP have no way of enforcing their rules and any sort of exclusion from UEFA competitions will just lead to a break away pan European league as mentioned before.
Finally I fail to see why you have so much hate for Londoners? It's one of the best cities in the world. Something that can't be said about Southampton.

Ill say it again - Saints fans are a weird bunch.

At least Saints fans know about football. "Players want to leave"-totally wrong, check the facts-they do exist if you want to find out something about the subject you drone on about. And even Ed. has tried to educate you, but it seems, unsuccessfully.
"Couldn't afford Hazard" totally wrong, check your facts again.

Don't get me wrong, I have a soft spot for Chelsea. They are an easy 4 points a season to us, rising to 6! (But what credit do Saints get for that from the London media-almost zilch!)

I recognise you don't know a lot about the wider football world, but you can simply click on to the Saints website and see the Club Statement posted this weekend. Basically, this confirms the owner will back the next stage of the clubs development, which includes pushing for European football. Maybe very hopeful I agree, but they have achieved all their targets so far, and this one will not feature selling any of the young players that have been brought together to go for it. And who would be the club that could then be pushed out of CL?

So, Shaw to Chelsea? You are misinformed. Just like the "person" on another of your posts who has Rooney signing and down as a sub, with Shaw signing but not even down as a sub (and for £10m-the London £ must be more valuable than the provincial one?)

A weird bunch? Well, we don't expect transfers of players to happen just because it is what the buying club might want, but is against the interest of the selling club and the player and neither wants it to happen. We do know the difference between a sound rumour and fantasy, extrapolated from a lad who said what club he supported! Messi would be all over Europe if your strange (but not "weird"?) logic applied. Neither are we that "weird" that we would start second guessing who a new manager might want to bring in before we even know who the manager is-now that really is weird! (Especially as one of the candidates is "rumoured" to want more control of that than he had before!)

Southampton fans weird? Maybe, but a good place to keep your yachts, YAH?

Mmmm very strange.

The New Forest is not a good place for 'em to keep their Chelsea tractors though.
SaintGazza

'At least Saints fans know about football'. And your proof is where? Throughout the entirety of your post you drone on and on and tell us to 'check your facts'. But you should come here with your own facts, especially when you come here and call all of us id**ts. Not simply demand us to find some to back up your own silly statements.
Money is more valuable in London. The price of everything in London is pretty much 150% higher if not more so. £10m in Soton can buy you a lot more than £10m in London. Just saying.

I did pay you the compliment of being literate and having some knowledge of football outside of Chelsea, I did even point you in the right direction! You could even ask your Latvian nanny to show you how to use the search engine (no that is not the little red toy you received for Christmas after you had droned on about how much money you had and therefore must have it. )
Money is more valuable in London? Why? Because prices are higher? I think you have your terminology a little mixed up! That would make money LESS valuable (maybe you are a banker!)
Must admit I prefer the Shaw debate with the Liverpool supporters, who also think they will sign him. They have a much better knowledge of football and a good sense of humour.

By the way, how is Lukaku doing? You know, the young lad who is not good enough to play for Chelsea whilst Torres/Ba are!?

And my statements are "silly". Well, ask yourself whether Messi would have been playing at Chelsea if he joined you as a young lad. No, he would not. He would still be out on loan, getting experience!

18 May 2013 14:02:19
Hopefully the new manager that comes in doesn't make too many changes. Azpiclueta has really impressed me this year so hopefully he is now our first choice RB. David luiz looks so much better as a midfield player than in defence, so I hope he retains that position. If we don't bring in another centre back then I see cahill and ivanovic as next years first choice as they have that bit of pace which terry has not. Kevin de byurne has been a great player for bremen this season and deserves his chance at chelsea especially when we have players like benayoun still here. If torres and ba are to leave then I would like to see a top striker come in with lukaku not being loaned out. My transfer wish:
Cavani, lewandowski or falcao.
Hulk
A pacey solid centre back
Luke shaw
Aubameyang.

MANAGER:MOURINHO
CECH
AZP CAHILL IVAN COLE
OSCAR LUIZ
HULK MATA HAZARD
CAVANI

NWBLUE

Luiz has improved immensely as a CB in the PL. He looks good as a DM because we don't have any that can pass and move the ball well. Get a decent DM and put Luiz back in defense.

Having such versatile players on the field will help us.

Well NWBLUE if you considered matters you would know your post gives its own reasons why it is nonsense!

Luke Shaw? But Cole as LB!

Get real, Shaw is much better than a bench warmer so he would not be interested, and has already said so. Saints would not be interested, and have already said so. Why would they even think of selling to Chelsea now you still have Cole available? Once Cole is in decline then you would have to pay even more for Shaw, and Saints have one of the most astute businessmen in charge so they are quite aware of it.

They have already been given the financial green light to pursue a desire to become a significant club in Europe, so you think they would contemplate selling ANY of the young talent they have developed/signed? They will be a buying club this summer, not a selling one.

Defensively luke shows statistics this season aren't al that great. He's averae in the prem, but he is young. Patrick van aanholt has had a brilliant season on loan. Maybe we should start thinking about using these youngsters. BLUEBOY1

Still its Chelsea, and if they want him i'm sure they will get him, also the fact he is a chelsea fan must bare some effect on the matter as he may push for the move himself, I don't see it this summer, but next summer I don't see why not, with ashley coles contract up and luke could provide a long term english replacement.

Terry never had pace, he's still the best defender in the premier league by a mile.

18 May 2013 11:53:21
For 15m i'd love kaka. Can definitely still do a job. Would add bit of depth to attacking players like mata hazard Oscar and experienced

18 May 2013 11:07:30
Hi all that is Chelsea
Does anyone think that giving frank lampard a 1 year contract is going to stop the development of Oscar abit because I think that will be his new position when frankie goes.

I think it will help him to learn from the best!

Oscar is so young. He could
Learn a lot from frank while his there

I don't want Oscar learning how to be a defensive midfielder from an attacking midfielder.

If we go back to 4-3-3, Oscar must follow Lampard around like a shadow.

But let's see what happens.

I don't think it will effect Oscar but it will have a big effect on McEachran.

Tk

18 May 2013 10:12:38
Am I the only one now starting to doubt it joses return is a good idea? Dontget me wrong I love the bloke and the whole club does but on his standards had a very poor season

He is the best manager in the world. Just look at his honours list. One poor season (in which he reached UCL semi final, and lost the Copa del Rey in bizarre circumstances, whilst dealing with in-fighting amongst the club) does not change that. There is no one I would rather see on our touch line leading our boys than José. If he comes, Chelsea win the league next season.

18 May 2013 09:56:34
Im a Celtic fan and I am wondering if the fans have actually taken into account that rafa won the Europa league and took you higher in the league than you were last year resulting in champions league qualification. Maybe time for a bit of respect for him.

Maybe some sort of tribute rather than thinking you have devine right to win stuff. Its given me the biew that cheslea are almost as bad as the old Rangers club.

Or maybe we should just accept that he's done an ok job. got us europa league success but we failed horribly in the league cup and club world cup, and to only just qualify for the champs league after spending so much in the summer isn't good enough. he's done ok, most fans have accepted that he's done ok

jscottjr

18 May 2013 11:49:53
Spot on mate.

18 May 2013 11:49:53
Spot on mate.

NO. He got us in the chamions league place, which is the bare minimum for a chelsea manager.
Euro League Final Win, looking distinctly average along the way against teams like Sparta Prague, Steau, Rubin and even for most of the game especially the first half in the final.
We lost to swansea in a two legged semi final.
Went all the way to japan to lose.
I would like to thank the players for there efforts in getting us there and say goodbye to rafa, this trophy has covered up his poor tenure at the club.
So glad this season is over, its been horrible to watch at times.
Just to think we were 4 points off united when he took over.

I agree with the post above. If we hadn't won the Europa league, he wouldn't have been called a success at all. And tbh the Europa league is poor. The trophy simply covers up the poor season we've had.
Also we don't think we have the *divine right to win anything but when you're a clubs as big as Chelsea and have the players we do then you're expected to challenge for trophies every season.

18 May 2013 06:54:20
Whatever the club does in the transfer market, they should ensure the best possible further developement for Courtois, DeBruyne, Lukaku and Chalobah. I'm pretty certain that these are the future of the club. Kudos to the staff at Chelsea who have gotten them all at the club. Fantastic feeling having such a quality young men at the club. I know it's a cliche, but the future really seems bright.

JG

Have we sold L Piazon or has everyone given up on him. He played well for a Mallaga side that almost went to the champs league quarters.

Piazon is on loan there. that's all.

This most let him slip their mind as he isn't as frequently mentioned as others, and we are all able to see lukaku as he is playing in the prem. but yes piazon does look fantastic as well.

17 May 2013 20:51:30
Ed, Do Release Clauses Represented On games like football manager 2013, it says cavani has a 52m Release Clause Would that be true?. {Ed002's Note - I really have no interest in discussing money and I know nothing of games.}