Chelsea Banter Archive September 17 2016

17 Sep 2016 16:03:22
Why is it every recent manager we have had everyone of them start Ivanovic at rb when clearly he his well past his sell by date in that position, he should no longer to me even be at the club how bad he has become. he is awful at every part of defending because he is not a technical good footballer to slow and clumsy.

Enough said on him now Oscar, he is another person who needs to go he has not kicked on from is first season with us in fact he has gone backwards he offers nothing to our midfield too weak and unaware of the opposition players around him, I know we had other poor performers last night but these pair are crap most games for us.

Conte has to see this now before it's to late get Dave at rb and get Alonso at lb and straighten our defence out to how it should be not players out of position and players not good enough to be in the team. Come on Antonio sort this problem out please its not hard to see is it.

18 Sep 2016 08:27:32
Agreed. To be honest I would consider not starting Hazard and even Courtois. We need to try something different. Keep playing the same team expecting the miracle is nonsense. In his post match interview Conte said they need to work harder. That's just rubbish. If he keeps playing the same team we will finish in the same place. So, I want to see Alonso, Luiz, cahill, Azpi, Moses replace Hazard, Oscar out.

18 Sep 2016 13:19:32
To be fair, up to now it couldve been argued that we had no better options at full back. I expect Alonso to play against Leicester on Tuesday and if he plays well hopefully we'll see him win a place in the first team.

18 Sep 2016 15:20:54
I've said it before and I'll say it again, letting Filipe Luis leave was criminal. Baba clearly wasn't ready so can't argue with sending him out on loan. I'm excited to see how Alonso will perform and if Conte plans to use him as a starter- I suspect he does. Hazard didn't do much against Liverpool but he definitely doesn't deserve to be dropped, I'd much rather see Willian move to the bench for Moses. I'm still struggling to see how Matic is starting for us whilst Cesc is on the bench.

From a completely different viewpoint, I'm still interested in seeing whether Conte will move to a 3 at the back as I feel that now suits us with the players we've got and will do even more so when Zouma is back from injury and Christensen is back from his loan in the summer. Batshuayi has to start getting more minutes as he's played very well at every opportunity he's had.

19 Sep 2016 07:09:14
Tbh I'm not sure playing 3 at the back even suits us. It usually requires Wingbacks that are as good offensively as they are defensively. Alonso from what I've read sounds like he's defensively solid but not particularly great going forward. Dave is certainly better going forward than Ivanovic but he isn't particularly great otherwise he'; be starting for Spain as he's certainly the best defensive RB they have.
Then the question is whether we play 5-3-2/ 3-5-2 or 5-2-3/ 3-4-3. If we play 5-3-2 we'll still likely have a midfield trio of Matic Kante and Oscar or potentially Fabregas Kante Oscar. With Costa and Batsman upfront. Which then means we have what should be our best player in Hazard on the bench.
If we play a 5-2-3, I'd imagine we'd go with Fabregas and Kante. With Hazard, Costa and Batsman up front, but that would likely see Batsman out wide in which case you might as well play Willian/ Pedro/ etc.
Either way I don't particularly see any benefit except that we may be more defensively solid. Neither formation particularly adds anything offensively.

17 Sep 2016 13:13:03
Apart from luiz who is back. What do this team have in common and do you think they could have beaten liverpool last night?

Cech

F luis huth d luiz bertrand

De bruyne lampard mata

Robben lukaku schurlle.

17 Sep 2016 16:34:12
Mourinho sold them all because of his ego. Glad he is now trashing man u. Watch him either sell pogba or ruin him.

17 Sep 2016 18:43:27
Simply answer is no. That team would have been streamrolled.

19 Sep 2016 07:17:31
Also just to clarify why I said it'd get steamrolled.
F. Luis is not a RB.
Lampard, legend that he is, is 38 and not the most defensively solid and yet is the most defensive of your CM's.
Robben was still injured at the time of the match.
Juan Mata is not a CM
Neither is KDB
Lukaku requires about a dozen chances to get his first touch under control.
Schurrle is decent. Not any better than Pedro really imo.

17 Sep 2016 03:00:29
The worst I've ever seen us play. Take away the result and performance, the lack of urgency and hard work being put in was embarrassing.

17 Sep 2016 07:37:10
Welcome to the world of 'negative nellies' da_dubliner. I said the last match was dire and got lambasted but that was, apart from our fitness, another shocker. We are still looking like a fitter but lacking any plan, team from last year. Ivanovic has picked up where he left off, Cahill proved he cannot manage the defence without Terry alongside and Matic and to an extent Azi are not the players of eighteen months ago. This is going to be a long season for all of us. Criticised heavily again but our transfer policy this year has left a lot to be desired, a £30m player gets little game time and Luiz, I rest my case. Too early to point the finger at Conte but he's not looking like a master tactician.

17 Sep 2016 08:20:08
I don't think Swansea game was bad at all, we played well. I agree Iva and matic need to sit on the bench. You've bought a LB, use him . The club should have bit the bullet and recalled Christensen IMO. We need to drop a midfielder (magic) and put on either Bats or an AM (Cesc) . They need to just go for it now.

17 Sep 2016 00:26:38
Alonso has to play next match
He might be good or absolutely awful but either way he's better than ivanovic.