Chelsea Banter Archive May 17 2013

17 May 2013 23:13:25
Madrid have a bigger and probably a better squad than ours and they won nothing. Will Mourinho do better with our squad though?

Yes, because our players aren't stupid enough or have big enough egos to rebel against him.

18 May 2013 00:10:09
Terry? Lampard? Cech? Cole?

I think a lot of our older players with big egos will respect him more for what he did the last time he was here. JM was the one that won the first trophies for Terry, Lampard etc

Too any super stars all play for them selves and of the team!

17 May 2013 22:17:50
Bit of a long shot but I recon our big signings this summer could well be Cavani (£45m), Shurrle (£22m), Khedira (£15m) & Papadoplous (£20m). I personally would be very happy with these.

So first PL game of 2013/14 could see us setting up as;

Cech

Azpilicueta Ivanovic Papadopolous Cole

Luiz Khedira Lampard

Hazard Shurrle

Cavani


I know many people will think where is Mata? But if Mourihno reverts back to the formation the won us the league twice with him, Mata may not be an automatic starter. Hazard and Shurrle can give us that Robben and Duff look to the team in wide areas.

Mata may not be an automatic starter? he's been the POTY two years in a row now. are you joking. and papadopolous is still very young and probably won't be seen as an immediate starter.

Well in this case don't get Jose. Should never have for rid of ancelotti.

That's shocking.

Please refrain from putting Sami Khedira and some greek youth from Schalke in a Chelsea team in the future, much appreciated

If that's JM's set-up then I worry for us. Papadopolous is still young and won't be an immediate starter. Also JM has been playing 4-2-3-1 at Real like we do. He does have a plan B and other formations though. I doubt with the current squad and possible incoming players that he'd change to a formation that would leave arguably our best player on the bench.

17 May 2013 12:22:20
Far be for me to put a dampener on all the 'We want Jose back' crowd but a word of caution; I love Jose as much as any Chelsea fan for what he achieved in his time here but. come next January, home to Southampton and we've just gone 2-up in the 50th minute, and the word goes out from the bench that 'that'll do us - kill the game', and Jose's preferred midfield 3 of Lampard, Mikel, and Khedira do just that while Mata spends his Winter warming his backside on the bench (see Modric - Real Madrid) - BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

Mata and modric are totally different players. At RM mourinho regularly plays Ronaldo di Maria and ozil and doesn't take them off when 2 up. Where as modric tends to play in the deeper role.

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Ozil plays in the mata role for madrid. he plays a 4231 there with khedira and alonso holding, ronaldo, ozil and di maria in attacking midfield and benzene or higuain upfront

Good point. I love Jose, but his football is like a mathematical equation and can be kind of boring. Ironically it was only Rafa that worked out a way to beat him the first time around.
Care Free

My main concern with Jose is will he give younger players a chance? Jose is known to prefer bringing his own targets in but we have some fantastic talent on the clubs books at the moment. If Jose comes in and in 2-3 years we end up selling them all I would be very disappointed. The likes of Josh M, Chalobah, T. Hazard, Loftus-Cheek, Musonda to name but a few, have bright futures, I just hope they are with Chelsea not elsewhere.
My other concern is that we have spent the last two seasons moving away from a tactic, and a set of players with specific skills, only to bring back the manager that put all of that in place. It has been hard changing the on-pitch ethos of CFC but we are really looking fantastic at the moment, the original poster may be right, a couple of bulky CMs in the guise of Essien or Khedira and we could be back to the Chelsea of old. Not that that is a bad thing given that we won with that formula, but I feel like the younger players I listed may be forced out because because they are slighter than the time of player Jose usually goes for (other than Loftus-Cheek).

Well i'll settle for the dull boring easy 2-0 win, rather than extremely exciting 2 2 draws vs southampton and reading etc. Call me crazy

I was at that game and at 2-0 everyone was crying out for the manager to do just that. In the end we just about got away with a 2-2. the same at Reading and Liverpool. Its all well and good wanting to score and score but when you have games just about done and dusted you have to close the game out

I have to agree with the last two posters. Yes perhaps we should be beating teams like Reading 3/4-0 but I'd much prefer to shut it down at 2-0. With bigger teams perhaps that's not the best tactic to invite pressure, but if we sorted our defence out and had a GOOD holding mid then I wouldn't see a problem with it.

Yer, but are u suggesting that at 2-0 up we should sit back in defense and let teams run at us because we tried under RDM and the previous 2 managers and that doesn't work. Also, that tatics may have served Jose in Madrid with the skilled deep lying mids he has to turn a counter attacks and Ronaldo with his pace is a one man counter attack. Plus Madrid presses for 90 mins similar to Barca while our style of play and team make-up is a little different.

Not suggesting you go 100% defensive more that you throttle back and encouage teams to come on to you and then stretch the play as the space opens up
At Reading we were 2 up with 90 mins gone. Reading brought on a big forward and had history of lumping the ball up to him, what did we do? ratere that bringing on an extra defender we brought on, I think, Yosi and bang bang the game finishes 2-2
You listen to any top professonal ad they talk about seeing the game out and that's something that we have failed to do on too many occasions

17 May 2013 22:40:37
jose has won 0 this year at madrid.
with ronaldo, ozil benzema, alonso, higuain modric.
he has won 0

It was obvious under RDM that our defence and holding midfield players weren't capable enough but if we brought in the right players and JM managed to instill the correct defensive philosphy then there wouldn't be a problem.
Also I assume the last the last poster isn't a Chelsea fan. Anyway what did Pep Guardiola win last season with Barca? Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc? Copa del Rey. Hardly anything to shout about.

17 May 2013 11:14:01
Im going to be controversial and say that I prefer luiz at Centre Back. Just feel he can go missing sometimes in Midfield

Jm10

I think Luiz has been amazing at the back this year, his games against RVP were fantastic!

17 May 2013 20:20:37
I have been saying this for the last month or so! Saying this I was all in favour of putting him in midfield but I think he just gets lost. I also said a year ago to give him 2 more seasons adjusting to the prem and he will be listed as one of the best centre halves in the world. In all fairness his performances since feb this year have been sensational. The guy has everything, just prone to the odd stupid mistake. which are becoming more and more of a rarity nowadays.

I enjoy watching him in midfield but his recent performances have been good at CB. I think his biggest flaw no matter where he plays is his lack of urgency getting back from advanced positions. I often see him jogging back and other players sprinting past him to get back and defend.

I just hope they settle on one position so he can properly develop.

Tk

I think luiz has been our best midfielder. he has a willingness to push the ball forward to the 3 ams that you don't see from mikel, ramires, lampard

jscottjr

17 May 2013 07:06:08
ed18 I know you love our club so do you think that jose will come back or do you believe we would be better off with another manager
jambo {Ed018's Note - I still think Mourinho is gonna return and that is who I'd like to see come in}

17 May 2013 06:59:04
Thorgan Hazard has a Belgium call-up, congratulations to him. Ed do you know what our plan is for T. Hazard is next season? I'd like to keep him, he looks a class young talent who could fill an amigo spot.
EH17 {Ed002's Note - There are none right now.}

According to many, even Eden Hazard, Thorgan is a bigger talent than Eden, so I think he will get exciting in a couple of years

17 May 2013 01:51:30
Ed018 or anyone else tell me. Is shurrle actually any good? I can look on YouTube but editing videos even is look world class, heard he is a lot like Sturridge, loves a shot and bit greedy? He good passing team player taking players on etc?? {Ed018's Note - I've seen very little and will trust the scouts on this. He does have very good pace and a good shot but I've heard as well he may be a touch selfish. So if Chelsea do sign him we will have to wait and see but there are plenty of upsides to him}

Nice one cheers mate, oh and
What about poyet as Jose's assistant. Be nice hey.

I have seen him play a few times and have never been impressed to be honest. I have mostly seen him when he plays for Germany which may not be the best barometer but none the less I am surprised that he is held in such high regard.

We need a player who's not afraid to have a pop at goal, Chelsea are guilty of ticka tacka on the edge of the box and wasting chances occasionally.

Some of the best goals from luiz, hazard and oscar are from when they've gone 'Sod it, I'll have a go!'

Marco Reus is far better player than him.

16 May 2013 19:45:51
Ed, when do you believe our new manager will be appointed? Have the board made a decision on who or is it still being discussed? Thankyou. {Ed018's Note - have alittle patience. I'd guess maybe sometime early June}

16 May 2013 23:56:21
Why aint u posting my post ed
Crcfc {Ed018's Note - maybe because Ed002 isn't around right now. He will deal with it when he is on}