Chelsea Banter Archive December 17 2012

17 Dec 2012 22:33:30
fickle fans are really annoying me.where are the good old days with shed end and curt and so on
bluekaz {Ed018's Note - this should go well}

Curt popped up some day during the last window. I don't see how those were the good old days, as all it accomplished was getting the regulars to stop posting.

Melbourne CFC

Fickle fans,"curt" you answered your own question mate.
ktbffh

Well I miss curt even if you lot don't

Puzzled

Not that i like curt but at least he signed off so we knew who it was rater than posting anonymous garbage like these no name posters
bluekaz

Not signing of as curt now though is he bluekaz,

ktbffh

17 Dec 2012 18:59:49
jason cundy on chelsea tv"most chelsea fans would have picked that side"so either most on here, or he, dosent know what they are talking about,judging by the recent posts.
ktbffh

I Would've Chose

Cech

Cesar - Ivanovic - Cahill - Cole

Luiz - Oscar

Marin - Mata - Hazard

Torres

I would've had a hard time deciding wether to put Luiz or mikel in the midfield but other than that it would've been a lock or me of:

Cech
Cesar Cahill Luiz cole
Rami mikel
Mata Oscar hazard
Torres

Tk

Azpilcueta ivanovic Cahill cole
Luiz. Mikel
Mata. Oscar. Hazard
Torres

17 Dec 2012 18:40:29
i have never really liked torres and i really think he shud leave and we should NOT sign falcao i mean sure he is good but 40 mil on another player is just senseless

As i said before, what does it matter to you what he costs,he slaughtered us and will most of the premier league defences,and win us something probably,so if the club see fit to buy him ,enjoy !!!!
ktbffh

Not if hes worth it...

Jordan

Just saying but didn't Torres use to slaughter us when he was at loserpool. And then he came to us and fired blanks. I do agree that it isn't my money but paying big bucks for the top strikers in the world hasn't worked out twice now. Third time lucky perhaps?!

ELI

£25 million for drogba worked out ok,was that top dollar back then,look at the start he had,plus is falcao at his peak yet,sheva and torres were both past theirs.
ktbffh

When torres came to us he had been out of form for the past year. Falcao is bang in form now and is currently at his peak

Jordan

Falcao is class end of story. It would be a dream for him to come to Chelsea!

PR!

If we are talking about players being worth their price,would you say the geezer was worth £23 million.
ktbffh

First of all, Drogba wasn't a huge star before us so I wouldn't count him. If this isn't Falcao's peak then I don't know what would be. Let's be honest we all want the best striker and don't mind saying splash the cash Roman just cause its not your money? Like spoilt kids that want the newset toys in the market. I'm not saying I don't want Falcao and/or I'm not saying he's not the best striker now. Its just any thing can happen like it did for the previous two and no one saw it coming is all. Let's hope and pray we get him but if we don't it could be a blessing in disguise just saying fellas.

ELI

Not actually convinced we are going to get him anyway ELI with the ownership issues ,hulk all over again,
absolute bummer we have had two of the best strikers in the world play for chelsea, and both been a let down, like you say third time lucky whoever it is,or both as ed said two strikers.

Soz forgot to sign
ktbffh

17 Dec 2012 16:10:52
Having watched the two games in the CWC what disappointed me is the decision making of Rafa more than anything. In the first game Oscar, Mikel and Luiz, played well, the team felt balanced but threatening with Luiz particularly impressing.

The final comes around and despite a confident performance in the semi Rafa implements big changes, the two midfielders dropped from those positions with Luiz dropping back to CB, Oscar replaced with Moses which leads to a change in shape and dynamic. Azpilicueta who was not at his best in the semi was dropped, even though he has been playing well in recent games and offers a much more potent threat from wide. In my opinion he is the best crosser in the team with the likes of Moses and Ivanovic wasteful from wide positions.
The result of these changes was that the midfield duo of Ramires and Lampard struggled, they are simply not suited to playing together, both play better with a solid defensive midfielder next to them, ie Mikel, which frees them up to attack, play the ball and make runs.

Up front Moses was wasteful, he rarely beat his man and his crosses were poorly timed and poorly delivered, he had one good effort but really that was the only positive input. His presence, in my opinion, unbalances the team, when Oscar starts he moves around the park and seeks the ball, linking the play from deep while also providing a threat up front. Moses is far more limited, and simply does not have the ability to link up play. A player like Moses can only be considered effective if he can deliver crosses, dangerous runs or a goal threat which he does not do regularly enough.

Aside from the starting line up substitutions were also baffling, Oscar came on but to late in my opinion, Azpilicueta came on as a straight swap rather than the more obvious tactical swap to push Luiz into midfield (an area we could not control) and Marin came on for Hazard, a player who was having a decent game, as opposed to Mata who was struggling to find space, and only made a minor impact in the second half. Only the addition of Oscar made any meaningful change to the tactics, which were not working, and the additions of Cesar and Marin were too late and changed little

My overall impression of Rafa thus far is not wholly negative, but I am concerned that he shifts things with little regard to recent form and the impact players have on the game. Mikel has been in the shadows despite being the perfect foil for the likes of Lamps, Ramires and possibly Luiz. Moses seems to be preferred to Oscar although Oscar is not at his best as an impact sub whereas Moses is.
Shuffling players is important for fitness reasons but seemingly arbitrary changes help know one.

You should have signed that because it was a good post.

Sev

17 Dec 2012 17:11:47
Great post and agree with everything you say!

Team for Leeds

Turnball
Azpili, Ake, Ivan, Bertrand
Oscar, Luiz
MARIN, Hazard, Piazon
Feruz

I know it's not guna happen but would love to see this in action!

Ive put Ake in cos we have no other CB as cahill & terry are out and i dont want to see Luiz playing there anymore! And FFS play FERUZ! I swear down now he can be no WORSE than Torres is! Owen & Rooney both 16/17 when they made there debuts. Give the guy a chance! DJ

Indeed it baffled me too when i saw the line up, it was crazy to make such a big gamble in a freaking FINAL with playing with no defensive midfielder and playing Lampard who just came out from an injury aswell as Moses who played horrible and yet was on for 70min.

What a load of twaddle ,when rdm played same team all the time you lot moaned,just cant win

DJ why is Cahill out? Doesn't his red card only relate to FIFA games, not domestic. {Ed002's Note - Apparantly not.}

Strange. I would have expected that if anything the red card would of translated to a ban in European competition due to the fact that we were in the CWC as Champions of Europe.

17 Dec 2012 12:36:13
Lampard needs a new contract! He was the only midfielder that played well, yes he is the wrong end of 30 but scholes is aswell and look where man u was with out him? Lampard can pass the ball he can score goals! As we all know and he's been with the club 11 years. He's been loyal to the club through thick and thin it's time the club showed him more respect

More respect then the current contract he pulls in? More respect then the armband he has the privilege of wearing any time JT is out? More respect then being a CL, FA Cup, PL, League Cup and Community Shield winner? No player is bigger than the club, and although Frank is one of the all time bests of the club, his time is coming to an end, and I would much prefer him to leave on top, then have all the fickle 'supporters' on here to start slating him.

He brought me one of my greatest memories with those goals at Bolton, and has brought me many others, but it is time he stepped aside and let the next generation make their mark.

Melbourne CFC

Lampard did not play well (he was alright in the first half buut shocking in the second). Hazard played well throughout and was our second best player behind Luiz. Oscar Azpil.... and Marin all played well but werent on long enough to have an impact.
Tactically was RBs worst game but I wont have a go at him as tactics werent the only thing that lost that game. Half the team showed no desire.

Sev

He didnt play very good and i could see alot better options than him on the bench, there was a reason why we lost and he was one of them.

Must agree with the majority here, he did not look great. The combination of him and Ramires suited neither player and they both struggled.
Lamps has just returned from injury but for me the early signs are that he simply does not have the mobility or physical presence needed to play the role that is required. Mikel and Ramires is a better pairing for me, and Luiz could be brilliant in there as well.

I'm sorry I completely disagree. I love lampard and everything he's done for the club but if we give him a new contract it's based on the name on his shirt and not his play on the pitch. Both josh and de bruyne are coming through soon and I can't imagine lamps will ask for money on par with his role at the club.

Tk

Lampard is getting 3 times the money rest of the people playing that position are, and they are all better players than him atm. Why would we give him new contract when he shouldnt even be on the bench cause if it was any other player playing like him he wouldnt even get in the squad, look at Marin he is alot better than Lampard and is not getting any play time at all...

17 Dec 2012 02:58:56
I think maybe us fans are also to blame for our performances this year, i hate to say it but last year we should've gone and got a manager for the long term and di matteo brought back as assistant manager. But by winning the champions league roman had no choice but to give rdm the manager's position for fear of the rage from us fans if he didn't. Tons of respect for rdm but he just isn't ready or will he ever be ready for the manager's position at chelsea. I for one look at this season as an opportunity for the club to assess all aspects from personnel, tactics, management, etc and roman needs to understand that. I'm no fan of rafa and will never be one but if by early summer the club can't recruit a quality manager for the long term then roman and us fans must back rafa and support him in the long run. I had high hopes for us this season with all the cups up for grabs but its fair to say that we blew those opportunities away. For all you fans feeling frustrated I don't blame you, if you weren't frustrated then you wouldnt be chelsea fans. Just keep your heads held high, it's a tough time being a chelsea fan with all the abuse hurled at us but we all know the club, the management and all the fans are better than that. And im positive the next few years we can dominate England, Europe and the World.
HEADS UP BOYS!

aL

Wow lot of disagrees for the regulars,
nice to see,