Chelsea Banter Archive April 17 2016

17 Apr 2016 22:17:18
How bad are Arsenal? In a season as poor as this for us we will be back. our owner will see to that. Arsenal might not make top 4 either. How poor are they? And there fans thought they would walk it as well! Deluded! Hope Leicester do it now.

17 Apr 2016 23:34:22
Bit unfair to say Arsenal fans thought we would walk it.
That was more paper talk than anything else.

Chelsea have been poor, as have City, Utd and Arsenal.

There are only 2 teams to come out of this season with any credit. Leicester and Spurs.

The rest? Average at best.

18 Apr 2016 07:15:07
Would add Bournemouth to that list in terms of league as a whole! But title-wise agree Dags.

18 Apr 2016 09:41:14
Agree CFC,
Purely for stability purposes, you could add Watford.

Oh, and West Ham, lol.

17 Apr 2016 11:52:29
As promised, the loans piece.
GK:
Matej Delac: Forgot the poor guy was still even here considering all his injuries but it is safe to say he is never going to be our level. Let him move on and hopefully make a career for himself despite his horrific injury luck.
Jamal Blackman: Again, a promising youngster but never really going to make the grade. Will probably end up leaving for a lesser European club, is currently on loan in Norway.
Mitch Beeney: Still quite young, send him out on loan for another year of football league experience at League one or two level.
RB:
Todd Kane: An excellent season in Holland, home grown and absolutely loves the club. Finally fulfilling his potential and warrants a squad place in my opinion, especially if Aina and Ivanovic both leave.
Wallace: Promising young offensive defender but suspect defensively. Probably time to move him on as he has just not fulfilled his promise.
Cristian Manea: Not sure if we own him or not, but still very young. Another European loan would probably do him good.
CB:
Tomas Kalas: The bane of Luis Suarez two seasons ago, but emergence of JCS, Zouma and signing of Miazga has probably ended his chances of a career with us. Shame because he is an excellent defender and will have a good career. If Middlesborough go up, maybe they will sign him permanently?
Andreas Christensen: Potentially controversial, but I think he should be loaned for another season. Let him play every game at BMG, and if they want to sign him, the asking price should be £40m plus. After all, Everton wanted that for Stones and AC is better.
Papy Djilibodji: Not going to get a chance. A really bizarre odd signing, utter waste of money. Hopefully we can sell to Werder or a Bundesliga club and recoup some cash back.
Kenneth Omeruo: Seems to have found his level in Turkey and seems quite settled there. Let him move on, and good luck with his career.
Michael Hector: An odd signing again. Had an okay season in a poor Reading side. A season out on loan in the EPL gives him the chance to prove he is good enough for us.
Alex Davey: Still very young and out on loan in Norway too. A football league loan might be a good chance for him to try and impress another English club, but not going to be good enough in my view.
LB:
Nathan Ake: A good season at Watford and has ousted the much more experience Holebas for the starting berth. We should keep him as he is a good player.
Cristian Cuevas: Not good enough and has not progressed, found his level in Holland also. Move him on.
CM/ CDM/ CAM
Marco Van Ginkel: Doing well since returning to Holland, but wasn't pulling up trees while on loan at Stoke and needs to move on for his sake. Perhaps we could include him a deal with Ajax for Bazoer?
Jordan Houghton: Young decent enforcer who has impressed for Plymouth. Try and loan him to a Championship side that will play him.
Lewis Baker: A set piece specialist, home grown player and very good technically. Should be in the squad next season.
Mario Pasalic: A very impressive young defensive midfielder, should displace Mikel this summer. Also has something of a goal threat about him.
Nathaniel Chalobah: Once a poster boy for England youth, still doing okay at Napoli who apparently want to sign him permanently. Let him stay in Naples and try and kick on his career.
Danilo Pantic: Vitesse situations suggests attitude problems potentially. Another year on loan somewhere that he will actually play and then re-assess.
Victorien Angban: Very talented young box to box player in the mould of Essien if he can sort out his temper. Gladbach may want him to replace Xhaka and they have so far proved to be a good place for our loanees.
Marko Marin: Oh dear Emenalo. Finally move him on please? German Messi is more like German Mikel.
LM/ RM/ RW/ LW
Victor Moses: Ultimately never good enough. Let him leave for a fee and try and get a starting berth elsewhere.
Jeremie Boga: A mixed season at Rennes but ultimately has impressed. Loan him to Spain or Germany next season and let him really shine.
Charly Musonda: He is on loan for 6 or 18 months depending where you read, but we should bring him back. Already looks class in La Liga at his young age and we need to build around people like him.
Izzy Brown: A mixed and frustrating season for someone with clear talent. An epl or championship loan would suit him better in my opinion.
Nathan: Has been injured and done nothing for Vitesse this year. Loan out somewhere where he has a starting berth but may be a fast fader.
Lucas Piazon: Lucas, lucas, lucas. A few years ago, you burst onto the scene against Villa and had a great loan in Holland. Subsequently you have struggled in Spain and Germany and confidence is gone, possibly due to the off the field issues (which are finally over) . I hope you move on and make a career out of your undoubted talent, but it just isn't going to work at Chelsea.
John Swift: Now reaching 21 and not good enough, but a decent player. Let him move on as plenty of Championship sides will be interested.
Juan Cuadrado: Possibly deserves another chance under Conte, but otherwise we should be looking to sell for a good fee as Juventus and Atletico now both have interest in him.
Christian Atsu: Injured often and never been good enough. Let him move on for the good of his career.
ST:
Patrick Bamford: Hoped he would make it, I really did. But just not shown enough so far. Let him move on and keep a buyback clause on him if he does regain his talent in front of goal.
Dom Solanke: Excellent young player who deserves a shot next season. After all, it worked for Rashford, and in my view Solanke is a more promising talent than him.
Joao Rodriguez: Who?! Let him move on as he isn't good enough.
Stipe Perica: An okay squad player at Udinese but doesn't score enough to warrant keeping. Let him move on for his career prospects.
Think that is everyone. Let me know your thoughts people. Potentially that is up to 18 sold.

17 Apr 2016 12:40:35
I appreciate the time you have put into this post but may I ask on what basis you make these comments? Have you watched all these players throughout the Season?

17 Apr 2016 13:37:36
Have been keeping track of them via Chelsea Youth on Twitter and also watched the majority at least five times this season in full.

17 Apr 2016 13:38:43
Also watched the youth guys for about 3 seasons prior to their loans.

17 Apr 2016 16:30:43
Chalobah is an interesting one. He hasn't featured often for Napoli, almost always just 90 minutes on the bench. Yet there have still been reports about them wanting to keep him.
I'm guessing he'd feature a lot more if he wasn't just on loan, but actually their player. He's got excellent physical traits, good technique on the ball and is calm. He's also a pretty good finisher in my opinion when he gets into scoring positions.
I feel he can still blossom into a very fine player (he's only 21 after all) . Either Conte takes a look at him and decides he wants to keep him around and use him, or we should sell him to Napoli with a buy back clause. That way if he develops well, we can still get him back for a reasonable fee.

17 Apr 2016 21:55:16
Fair play to you CFC, that's dedication mate. Who would you make our next number 10? We have Ruben, Boga, Musunda, Palmer etc?

17 Apr 2016 11:37:20
It's coming to the end of the season and what an awful season it has been for us. But we have to look forward to next season. And clubs like city and Liverpool both have new managers who will be given a big spending budget and who will most likely bring in a whole new load of players without caring about who leaves. Honestly we should do the same, we like to keep players, doesn't matter if they aren't very good, we just don't letting go. So hopefully conte does and gets rid of the players who clearly are not good enough or maybe not as good as potential new signings.
GK:
In my opinion courtois needs to make up his mind, he is a fantastic keeper and is a big part of our future depending on whether he stays or not, and I think almost every Chelsea fan would love to keep him.
Begovic is a great keeper and deserved number 1 spot, however if courtois stays he will remain number 2 which no Chelsea fans can say it's a bad second choice.
Defenders:
Our defence has been woeful this season and players like Ivanovic and Cahill just haven't been good enough. Azpi has had a been few months but I say keep in for next season the same goes for Cahill, he is homegrown and is really good on his day, keep him but if he has the same season as this next year sell him. Ivanovic needs to go, he is past his time and is slowing us down and causing mistakes at the back. But Zouma when he gets back from injury will be our best defender by far.

16 Apr 2016 22:49:16
well lads 3-0 @ home not what any of us wanted to see the year has been a tough one it happens to everyone from time to time, its hard to take what's happened this year falling from grace having to see cech in arsenal shirt, the loss of a legendary manager, watching our ex players tear it up. but its done line needs to be drawn look at posistives we have conte comming in a no bs guy we have a crop of amazing youngsters and still going after big names the night is always darkest before dawn we may of had our pride dented but well be back stronger then ever.

17 Apr 2016 09:15:32
It's been an awfull season mate and a season of complete shock throughout the whole club. We need a clear out that's for sure it was clear to see again yesterday our midfield been over run favregas mikel and even matic are all to slow city exploited that very well yesterday aguero and de bruyne done the damage big time. That been said people are constantly calling for the younger players to come in I feel there has been moments were Kennedy rlc and Traore have shown us there potential but they are not quite up der just yet as first team starters Kennedy looks in experienced were Traore gets bullied a bit up front although his pace is fantastic and rlc looks so lazy for such an athletic man but look on the bright side conte is coming in I'm sure hel steady the ship and make Stamford bridge a fortress again and make us hard to beat for me players who must go this year . Baba Rahman John obi mikel Oscar remy ivanovic and pedro are all must leaves . Possible exits are hazard courtois Jt and Cahill and Costa . It will be interesting to see what kind of backing conte gets financially as we all no mourinho didn't seem to get that the last summer an it showed up with the rubbish we did buy. Remember when mourinho won the league back in his first spell he was handed players like sidwel for free and Ben haim it's strange that it seems
Twice he's been given players he doesn't want anther shevchenko i'm sure mourinho did buy pedro or Rahman either there not mourinho type players.

17 Apr 2016 09:19:59
Let's hope we get the real hazard back next year if not sell him he didn't look to bothered yesterday in the e executive box.

17 Apr 2016 11:13:37
Possible exits? They are the most probable exits.
You cannot sell 70% of regular starters and begin from the scratch.

17 Apr 2016 13:20:14
We have to be grateful to Hiddink for steadying us because without that calmness he brought given the last two performances, we would be in a dog fight to stay up. A lot is resting on Conte's shoulders and as Antibot said, you can start from scratch and we may well have to resign ourselves to a 2016/ 17 season of building. Some will be sold, others will ask to leave and that will mean buying as Conte will have little experience with our youngsters and as talented as they are at their level, many of those we have praised on and off are clearly not ready for a permanent place. Abramovich was at yesterday's game and like many of us, wondered what in the hell had gone so badly wrong and I certainly would not blame Mourinho.