Chelsea Banter Archive January 16 2015

 

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16 Jan 2015 07:20:28
Who does everyone want to be promoted into the Prem?

Borough, Ipswich and Bournemouth for me.

I want Derby, reading and Wolves up as well though lol

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16 Jan 2015 08:40:56
Nottingham , derby for sue as they are 40 miles driving away from me which would make it easy to go to away games

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16 Jan 2015 21:26:23
Not Middlesbrough due to there being a limit on how many players we could then loan them which has been an excellent resource since Karanke went there.

Of the teams I think Bournemouth and Derby could be competitive. Beyond them there's a bunch of really similar teams. Generally prefer less English teams as they always seem to get up for games against us (qpr, Fulham, etc.)

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I actually think the opposite TK. Whilst we'd be able to loan less of our players to Boro, they'd get prem experience and due to Karanka knowing them and obviously trusting them, they'd likely get more time than if we were to loan them to another lower end prem side.

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17 Jan 2015 07:06:39
Fair point. Also think we might see more teams pick up on their strategy considering its success. I see both sides definitely.

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16 Jan 2015 07:18:46
Ed001 and everyone else? Who was the best out of Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard? In your opinion of course.

I'm always torn myself, say Gerrard one moment, Lamps the next, scholes after that lol.

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{Ed001's Note - depends on what exactly you want. Scholes was the best team player, with a nasty streak a mile long that he somehow got away with by this false perception of him being unable to tackle. That gave him a massive advantage, as he could make repeated yellow card challenges without being sent off. Being that they are so close in all other things, I would give it to Scholes because of that.
Gerrard should have been better, he had the better range of passing (just over Scholes), but he refused to play on the right after his best ever season was out there and he lacked the defensive responsibility of Scholes.
Lampard is defo 3rd for me, he could only ever play one position in one way, his range of passing is miles behind the rest, but his drive and determination puts him closer than he ever should have been if it was just talent alone. He is the one that made the most of what he had, more so than the other two, in my opinion, but he just falls down on vision and range of passing compared to the other two.

The worrying thing is that I don't see a single English central midfielder coming through who can be even compared to any of the 3 yet. Probably for the best while Hodgson is England manager though!!}

Nonsense, Lampards range of passing was brilliant just overlooked due to his goals. He also got more assists than the other 2. And play one position? You obviously didn't any chelsea matches the last few years.

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16 Jan 2015 09:54:12
Thanks for the reply.

Without being Bias. I've always said Scholes. His tackling was absolutely awful, but his Shots and passing and control of the game was sublime. Gerrard had brilliant shots, passing was top notch, controlled game brilliantly ect. Lampard was a good scorer, most of which were penalties or freekicks.

On these pages I normally say Lampard, and on chelsea blogs I say Lampard. That's purely out of to not be judged though, as for some reason you get branded 'a false fan' and get Accused for not supporting your own player if you go against him.

To my united mates, I say Scholes. To Liverpool mates I say lampard (purely to annoy them)

Overall. Without being bias right here, It's Gerrard. Although is defending left a lot to be desired, every thing else was just top notch.

3 great players. So glad to Have lampard play for us anyway.

Regarding future England

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Scholes by a mile - then our Frankie - and last and least the vastly over-rated Gerrard.

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Well that escalated lol. Lampard range of passing was good, however Gerrards and scholes were way better.

I don't think Gerrard was overrated. Watch his older years, not just his later years to determine his ability. His last few years he was rated crazily even though he didn't play his best football. His years throughout Liverpool were stunning.

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I just want to mention 1 more minus point of G8 is that when the opponents exercise pressing hard and he has no idea of forward passing, G8 usually passes the back to goalkeepers without looking and created a perfect assist for other teams's striker ( happened several times in his career already).

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Gerrards range of passing is brilliant. His positional sense is awful though, plays like a headless chicken. And I bet you are higher percentage of his goals are freekick or pens compared to Lampard. Scholes is the most naturally gifted but Lampard and Gerrard had a bigger influence on their teams.

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Personally I don't really rate Gerrard. He has a great range of passing and he's good at dead ball situations but other than that doesn't offer much IMO. Doesn't tackle, has pretty poor positional sense and doesn't score much from open play.
ED001 pretty much all 3 of them played the majority of their careers in one position.
Lamps is the highest scoring Midfielder and 4th overall in the PL. Also he's 3rd in assists with 96, only 4 behind Gerrard. So Lamps 175 goals + 96 assists = 271. Gerrard 116 goals + 100 assists = 216.
Personally I'd love to give it to Lampard but that'd probably be my bias talking. So Scholes, Lamps, Gerrard.

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{Ed001's Note - Scholes started off as a striker, dropped back to become an attacking midfielder and ended up as a deep lying midfielder. Gerrard started out playing a number of roles, I saw him play right back, for instance, in an early appearance. He spent a season as a right winger, a number of seasons as an attacking midfielder, last season and part of this as a holding midfielder, with a number of seasons as a central midfielder in between that. Not sure how you figure out that Scholes and Gerrard spent so much time in one position, seems like ignorance talking to be honest.

By the way, if you think Gerrard doesn't tackle (though I would agree on the poor positional sense), you clearly have never watched him play! It is stupid tackles that have been one of the major downfalls of his game, mainly due to being caught out of position and throwing himself in trying to retrieve the situation.}

I actually didn't know that Scholes started out as a striker, mind I don't think I was born when he was playing in that position. I was talking more about where they played at their peak, as opposed to a few games or even a season or so in a different position, especially early on in their careers when they weren't established players.

Aha I don't really count bad tackling as tackling. Especially if it includes needless fouls. Who would want a player that's good at making bad/pointless/avoidable tackles?

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16 Jan 2015 21:36:33
They all offer something entirely different which makes it so tough. Scholes was a metronome, Frank scored like nobody else, Gerrard did a little bit of everything. I have a hard time judging gerrard as he played for the weakest club and therefore tried to compensate. This can be seen in his poor positional sense but vast influence on games. I do follow what Ed saying in terms of lampard being somewhat limited positionally. With scholes sometimes I want to hold it against him that he generally had world class partners and played for United while they were dominating. I guess I'm going to cop out and say the answer depends on what you're looking for.

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That's really tough call! All of them are legends!

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18 Jan 2015 02:49:46
Gerrard had the most raw talent but he needed to leave Liverpool and join a team where he was made to concentrate on a particular role instead of his unceasing attempts to try and do everything. Hard to call between Lamps and Scholes, Lamps for me just because of his unbelievable consistency and ability to turn games with his striking rate. We remember the number of goals he scored for us, but tend to forget how many of those goals came just at the right moment to save us, or grab a win we didn't look like getting.

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16 Jan 2015 02:26:04
What do people make of Oscar being a right winger? Or him being sold?

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16 Jan 2015 08:59:11
I'd be happy to see him sold, if a good offer came in.

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Is there any talk of Khedira at all anymore? I would make an argument for getting him and shipping Mikel. I think that would already make us stronger.

The simple fact is, and I suppose I can't make it too simple as it depends where the players want to go but Khedira on a free and Reus for cheap would go a long way to improving our team. Then we don't need to worry about the crazy money that would be needed for pogba, koke or anyone else mentioned.

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{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about Khedira moving to Chelsea.}

16 Jan 2015 21:50:17
Personally think from the RDM/Rafa year that he wasn't very effective out there. Not many players are successful there without pace to beat fullbacks (David silva being one exception). Another issue was he was rather one dimensional in terms of dropping deep and cutting inside which lead to him being easy to mark. The only reason I'd sell him is if a certain Paul moved here.

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