Chelsea Banter Archive March 13 2016

 

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13 Mar 2016 18:41:33
Ed002 could you please tell me if Aina is still looking to leave or if things have changed and the club have managed to persuade him to stay?

Thanks in advance for your time.

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed at the moment.}

13 Mar 2016 19:46:25
Many thanks for the quick reply Ed002. Fingers crossed things do change.

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13 Mar 2016 22:07:00
Is it around no playing time, if so now is the time to play him and he can then prove he's ready, or he's not.
I am a masive fan and think he is our rb of the future.

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{Ed002's Note - It is around guarantees and clubs will rarely give in to such demands.}

13 Mar 2016 18:03:28
OK, let's be positive.

RLC, Kenedy, Traore, Aina, and Miazga must start every remaining game this season.

Pato needs to play to show if he can be anywhere near the player he used to be.

Willian should be sent back to Brazil now until pre-season training for a well-deserved rest.

Azpi needs to be sent home to rest-up for next season after 3 good, solid years.

Hazard should not play again this season to overcome the injury that his dad says he's been carrying all season (but that must include missing the European Championship of course) .

Pedro, Cahill, Oscar, Mikel, Remy and Falcao should never be allowed to wear the blue shirt of Chelsea again, and should be sold in the summer.

Costa? God knows! He should get rid of the facemask and wear a muzzle!

Next season we do a Ferguson and introduce Christensen, Ake, Musonda, and Pasalic to the 1st team squad and buy 2 established players (I would suggest Higuain and N'golo Kante) .

Easy!

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13 Mar 2016 20:24:31
Good post I'd be happy to build a team from the youth for a few seasons we've got some cracking young players and we will only know if they're good enough by blooding them i feel we are certainly missing the backbone of the team from when we had lamps, cole, cech and the drog never replaced them terry is still there and although he's old his experience is vital. Like the idea of ake at lb next season and what does anyone think of troy deeney for us?

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13 Mar 2016 22:13:13
I like the suggestions about the kids.
Don't think you went far enough with the cull add costa and hazard.
Agree about the four to bring back. i would also consider baker aswell.
But I think we need poss 4-5 new players.
I think that would be move in right direction.
Just depends if gus is allowed play kids for rest of season or if under instruction finish as high as possible.

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14 Mar 2016 08:05:40
I've said before on here that Troy Deeney would be a great buy for us, we need his power and pace.

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15 Mar 2016 11:58:38
I agree totally about Troy Deeney - he is such a clever player - and a leader which we desperately need. I think he would become a Chelsea legend.

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13 Mar 2016 16:12:52
Hello guys,
Didn't see yesterday's match as was with my girlfriend for the first time in 3 months (some things are apparently more important than football) but I have to say overall I am glad we went out looking back on it. It hurts sure, but it'd hurt more going out at Wembley for me, plus for our season no one in the squad (minus Willian, Zouma, Traore and Kenedy) for me has deserved it.
Now we have nothing to play for, let's start anew- I'll be doing a very long post regarding where I think transfers et al all went wrong in a few days, but for now, I think we are in a great position. We have the best youngsters in Europe and nothing to play for. RLC, Aina, Da-Silva, Clarke-Salter, Traore, Kenedy, Colkett all for me deserve a chance in their natural positions to show what they can do. Who knows, we may have the new Terry, Ashley Cole, Pogba and Dani Alves among that lot.

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13 Mar 2016 17:00:31
Surely "seeing" your girlfriend for the first time in 3 months should only last 5 mins what about the other 85 mins of the match?

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13 Mar 2016 21:31:47
I wish it was that simple mate- a late opening shopping centre was the bane!

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13 Mar 2016 22:19:28
Trouble is those of us who were unfortunate to watch that performance wished we hadn't. I wish we had won, but we always think that but to say we were impotent would be an understatement.
I read the report about lukaku running through the defence for the first. I actually thought his name was Moses because our defence parted like the Red Sea, courtois was suspect for second just like psg second goal first game.

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13 Mar 2016 15:39:43
Thank you Magichandshurley and Sid for your fair comments regarding earlier post.

It's all banter and in good humour.

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13 Mar 2016 16:59:25
I always read your posts and u always talk sense and never rub in the season were having infairness that's why I never hated Arsenal there fans rearly have a cheap dig even in work Liverpool and united fans hound me when Chelsea lose even do I consistently never get involved with them when there teams lose which has been a huge amount of times over last few years it's typical and the reason I hate Man U and Liverpool fans so much. I always hated Spurs because even when they were a Mickey Mouse top 6 -7 team there fans used to boo um at home if they weren't winning there fans are idiots most of um anyway it's not fair to rub everyone with the one brush.

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13 Mar 2016 17:01:19
Also dag I think if u can't accept the team is poor and we're having an appalling season then u shouldn't be coming on here ripping into consistent posters like u who never boast or slag us when we're down in the dumps much respect keep the posts and banter coming do šŸ‘.

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13 Mar 2016 17:06:05
I've only just had the chance to read the site today and fair play to you Dagenham. Always great discussions when your involved until people start having a dig at you. Carry on what your doing šŸ‘šŸ».

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13 Mar 2016 19:49:18
Thank you Gents :-)

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13 Mar 2016 20:34:52
Most of us know that you're a good guy, Dags. Don't worry about maybe 1 or 2 posters venting their frustrations and focusing those feelings on you. You're a genuine football fan, we all love you, buddy ;-)
After all, our teams are both having shit seasons :p

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14 Mar 2016 00:13:29
Jackson, you are so correct mate :-)

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13 Mar 2016 21:40:59
It's part of the trials and tribulations of being a football supporter. We all have family, friends and work colleagues who support different clubs, and the banter and wind ups are part of being a supporter. I am sure Chelsea supporters have dished out comments on other sites over the years (pinky), when we have have had a good year. But in return you have to accept that other teams supporters will be on the wind up when we have a bad year ( not including Dags and g62). We have to accept it and hope things turn around. Made me laugh the other night when we lost to PSG and one of our posters situation 88 or something like that and a Spurs supporter who came onto the Chelsea live match page, started to trade insults over past meetings etc between the teams. All part of supporting a club, take the good times, and be prepared for the many bad times. It's only a sport.

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14 Mar 2016 14:01:28
Top post Sid and on the button mate.

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13 Mar 2016 15:00:28
My honest opinion of summer dealings sadly would be selling hazard and Costa. For simple fact that opposition players are getting the better of Costa in terms of getting him angry, he's a hothead which then I believe has a negative effect on the rest of the team. Hazard I think will go as he is in the top ten players in world football on his day and they all end up at real or barca, so it's just a matter of time. A lot of funds would also be raised by selling fringe players like cuadrado and Moses. Instead of seeing ourselves as genuine opposition to barca/ real, which we clearly are not, we start from scratch with a idea of getting back to the top of the English game over the next 3 years. There is also a couple of things that need changing regarding advisors to Roman and the selling of quality players. We had a future solid spine in lukaku, de bruyne and courtouis but for there hunger to play I believe they where sold.

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13 Mar 2016 15:15:12
The only problem with our fringe players is we can't seem to sell the likes of salah cuadrado or Moses no one seems to want to put up the money for them . I think if we sell Costa and hazard we should go all out for higiaun or Morata and add quality in midfield with someone like Reus although I no edd mentioned before any deal for Reus is difficult but ya I agree sell Costa and hazard and player like Oscar and mikel and maybe even matic and we should have a good pot for our new manager to build his team but remember it's not fiffa or football manager ders no gaurentee we will sell players either . Bonuci for me would be a huge signing at the back he could really help zouma progress I definetly feel ake should get a go next season.

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13 Mar 2016 10:10:20
What's everyone's obsession with 3-5-2 next year? It's a formation at the end of the day! The players on the pitch are more imports to than formation. There's no way Conte will play a 3-5-2 in the premier league, you're just asking to be counter attacked against. It might work in Italy but won't work here.
Conte will more than likely play 4-3-3 which he used a lot at Juventus (my mates a Juve fan and was gutted when Conte left) .
Looking forward to the euros now and then see what happens pre-season for us. Think what majority of people are saying is correct, we need a whole new spine, although I'd keep Costa, he's a loose cannon but on his day there's not really anyone out there much better (just look at his record under Hiddink) .
All the players under the sun are being linked to us but we've got a few players out on loan that would walk in to our team right now! I am really keen to see Ake start left back next year, he's a lovely footballer as well as good defender and I think it's about time he got his chance!
With the season over now and personally I don't care about Europa unless we're seriously going to try and win it next season I will be seriously annoyed of players like Loftus-Cheek and Kenedy aren't given serious minutes for the rest of the season. We have nothing to lose and the experience is massively needed for them!
The Pato deal is a mystery to me! What was the point? We might as well try him now as Remy is as much use as a chocolate teapot and will definitely be sold in the summer. If you don't give players a chance then why bother? I actually feel sorry for Pato, sounds like he's working hard to get fit for absolutely no reason as it looks like he won't ever get a chance. At least he knows where the net is!

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13 Mar 2016 10:33:30
There's no obsession with 352, simply it's the most successful formation in history of football. Second Conte is using( and he is the most probable new Chelsea manager) 3412(343) or 4312(433) formation. So it's interesting how Chelsea will look next season. What is obvious the club will probably invest a lot of money in striker area.

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13 Mar 2016 13:38:03
Don't understand the Pato deal myself. I can only guess and say if he plays so many games then we have to purchase him. Regardless of his fitness, surely he should be getting 15 mins here and there.

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13 Mar 2016 15:07:18
There's nothing to understand about Pato. It was Mourinho's deal arranged in November.Who knows what was his idea.Chinese league could be a reason for several players to leave Chelsea starting with Mikel.

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13 Mar 2016 09:25:39
After giving myself the night to reflect, I think we're in a bad place at the moment. What we really need is a clear out of some of the playing staff. Just like Sphurs have done, get rid of players who don't want to fight for the team and care only of their pay packet. If Conte comes in, give him the funds to develop his own team. He is a manager on the rise, so let's see what he can do.
For me the players I would like to see go are:
Oscar: doesn't give enough, yesterday he was partly to blame for the first goal. Lost the ball in the Everton half and then proceeded to walk back. To many times he has done this now, just not good enough for an experienced international (heart not in it) .
Hazard: on his day he is unplayable, this season though he has shown his true colours. Instead of kicking on from last season he has rested on his lorals and gone backwards. Sorry but that's not good enough for a club that's has ambitions of being the best in Europe. If Real come knocking in the summer we should snap their hand off.
Matic: lossed form early on and doesn't look like getting it back any time soon. Sell him while he is worth something still.

If we're going to play 3-5-2 next season what we need is another top quality CM. A world class CB, that being said I would love for us to sign Stones and keep JT. Used sparingly next season I think he would be quality for the new manager as he is a winner and would be a fantastic asset in the dressing room. Plus it would be good to see 3 English CB's. Finally we need a new ST to play alongside Costa, I think part of his attitude is down to frustration. Get someone in there to take the pressure off of him and allow him to do his thing. Remy is shocking and should go this summer. Traore is a promising talent but is still a touch inexperienced. I would love to see us go for Cavani if he is available this summer. I know he is 29 and will have a huge price tag, but alongside Costa he would be deadly. Both great finishers with great vision, so the would compliment each other terrifically. That being said I reiterate my first point, let the new guy get they players he wants! Then we can truely judge him.

Sorry to rant, but it's been a long stressful season, hopefully the next one will be one to remember in our last season at the bridge.

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13 Mar 2016 10:07:59
I had a long night yesterday thinking what went wrong this season. Here are my thoughts

Our midfield is easily overrun exposing our defence way too often. Matic going out of form and Mikel being very slow doesn't help. Terry is still great but has limitations. Brana and Cahill are just back up's not great CB's. Upfront we have lost a lot with hazard, Oscar, costa, fab losing form and more importantly no goals from remy who was a super sub last year. Considering these I think following changes helps.
CB - sell ivanovic, Cahill and buy marquinhos
DM - sell Mikel and matic. Buy xhaka/ nainggolan and diawara
CM - sell fab as he is always a liability in big games. Buy one of. matuidi/ gomes/ kroos
AM - sell Oscar and Pedro. Buy goetze and James Rodriguez. Sell hazard only if possibility to get greizmann.
CF - sell remy, falcao, pato. Sell costa only if part of greizmann deal. Buy lukaku and icardi.

My view is above are achievable targets for a club like Chelsea.

Loan call back - Christensen, Ake, van ginkel

These changes gives us a team strong at back with Pace, midfield capable of holding its line and moving the ball forward and a forward line which has strength and agility needes to win games.

Your thoughts my fellow Chelsea mates.

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13 Mar 2016 10:14:43
You are correct and sadly a much needed clear out usually brings with it a so so following season as players get used to playing together and a new managers tactics. I believe players gravitated to Chelsea because of Mourinho, whether Conte will have that drawing power remains to be seen but another problem will be 'who we can attract at a sensible price' because any advertised budget, fact or fiction, will see asking prices rocket. Costa will not be with us next year and I for one will not miss him. For two or three years I would take Cavani as he has two good feet and can head the ball; there will be little resale value so we would need a sensible buying price. For me Oscar, Hazard, Costa, Pedro, Rahman, Mikel need moving on with Matic's decline a real cause for concern although nobody has covered themselves with glory other than Willian's improvement although he should score more. From now on in we will be limping to the line as an average team and the summer months will see this banter page on fire I am sure!

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13 Mar 2016 11:47:31
Trouble is Indian blue as I said in earlier post. We need to be setting realistic targets for players not your pogba, griezzman or icardi. They all want champions league football. We need to identify 21-24 year olds and bed them in amongst our own young players. Then build for the future. We need to try players and build them into the team instead of trying to buy finished article. And most important get rid of dead wood and do our buying early, so we are set for the start of the season.
As an aside I think we give jt one more year and get him onto coaching staff to help defence.

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13 Mar 2016 15:17:23
The main problem as u said is we won't attract big players now unfortunately over this season but let's see who conte can bring in and let's see him get the full backing to clear out the squad if he wants and bring in players he feels could improve us.

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13 Mar 2016 09:08:55
At the end of a season how is success for a club like Chelsea measured? Trophies? Champions League qualification? Yes, they are both the main identifying factors for success and, sadly for Chelsea Football Club, we have been knocked out of all our respective cup competitions and will not be qualifying for the Champions League.

But from all of this doom and gloom there is an opportunity for the club to have some part of this season measured as a success - a success that potentially could have more positives in the long term than another trophy in the cabinet or the financial bonus of another Champions League season. That success in the genuine integration of our youth team players into first team matches.

Who would have thought that at this stage of the season, with eight matches to go, we would be in a position where all of those matches are relatively pressure free? Hiddink, and the club, now have a decision to make for these eight games - does he play those players that have been so ineffective this season, or does he give opportunities to players in a youth team that have won everything at their current level? If the likes of Loftus-Cheek, Ola Aina and Clarke-Salter don't get an opportunity now then when will they? I'm not talking about playing out the last three to ten minuets either. They deserve the chance to start games, if they do and they're successful then at least that will be a measure of success after this thoroughly depressing season.

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{Ed025's Note - good positive that j, im sure some will say your clutching at straws mate but its a valid point for me..

13 Mar 2016 15:19:14
I agree pal these young players have to get a chance now we have absoloutely nothing to lose at this stage it's not like wel get an extra 30 million for finishing in Europa league spot.

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12 Mar 2016 23:36:34
Well, whatever happened this season doesn't matter anymore. We have to look into the future.
It seems that Antonio Conte will be next Chelsea manager. During his managerial career he was using two formations 3412&4312 (4132 which is almost the same) . With given squad it is hard to imagine how would Chelsea line up next season. Some players will certainly leave in the summer including some of the best players from last and this season.
I don't see us signing players like Griezmann or Pogba.
The most important question is what would be financially easiest way to organize future squad if Conte takes over. I don't have doubts that Chelsea can still attract top quality players but one thing is clear- the money won't be the main reason why someone would play for Chelsea.

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13 Mar 2016 08:32:12
I put a post up, got put on the ā€˜teamsā€™ section, recently within which I stated that I believe our squad, as it is now, is arguably best suited to formations based around three centre halves and wing backs - a 3-5-2 formation.

We have fullbacks who are better suited to attacking situations (Kenedy in particular would, I think, excel in a wing back position), attacking midfielders who want to play centrally but are being placed out wide and, for me, Hazardā€™s best chance of regaining his form is being played off a main striker - donā€™t make him chase back and support a fullback! Leave him to pick the ball up in dangerous positions and do what he does best.

Interestingly our Under 21ā€™s played with a back three this week. But to be honest I donā€™t follow them closely enough to know if this is a regular thing or if Conteā€™s influence has already got into the club.

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13 Mar 2016 15:22:06
J. I tend to agree with you that our so called fullbacks are much more left or right midfielders including Azpilicueta.All of them would be much better playing as wide midfielders( I'm confident they all posses a quality). We have a lack of strikers at least Costa and Traore are fit to play.(3412,352,3421) are all actually small variations to 343 formation. ATM we also have a lack of central backs since Terry& Zouma are injured and unfit.

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12 Mar 2016 22:47:12
Chelsea played really bad today.

It was obvious the players were jaded from the mid week game against PSG. I thought Pedro was awful today, his first touch let him down too many times. Matic's form has been hard to accept, how he gas fallen is hard to understand. I hope to RLC get a chance alongside Mikel now. I want to see Kennedy play further up and as full back. He looks a talent.

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13 Mar 2016 07:40:13
What fans usually don't know is real fitness status of players. I strongly believe that many of our players are struggling with injuries and fitness this season and that can explain lack of form.

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