Chelsea Banter Archive March 12 2015

 

Use our rumours form to send us chelsea transfer rumours.


12 Mar 2015 20:46:27
All this talk of a more powerful midfielder and that is absolute tosh. We need to play quicker that's it. Have you noticed the lack of movement off the ball? No one running in begind, especially Willian! Don't get me wrong he works hard, but working hard doesn't win you games. Azpilicueta is a great attcking left/right back, so why is he being held back. Every game the opponents are happy for Ivanovic to keep receiving the ball out wide because nothing threatening comes from him wide, especially with Willian in front of him. Since this slow negative football has started so did fabregas and costas forms dip. Play to our strengths and that is quick moving off the ball passing football. Not this garbage of standing off and hoping to get a counter attack. Personally I think we have too small of a squad to compete for all four trophies. Schurrle, mata and debruyne should have never of left this club. Oscar has failed two seasons in a row from both starting with excellent starts, but the form dips. Get rid, maybe with a deal including pogba. Ramires, Cahill and Willian also need to move on. Need to start luis and azpilicueta tonstart playing left and right with terry and zouma. Can't just blame the players as I think mourinho is making games harder for us at the moment. I hate his tactics ever since the spurs loss. But then again were gunna win the league. I hope! And I hope we start attacking again and playing football, not pass 5 yards sideways all stand still and end up passing back to courtios for him to aim for Ivanovic and then lose possession. Then everyone gets behind the ball and still can't defend

Believable2 Unbelievable3

13 Mar 2015 06:27:59
Hard work doesn't win you games? Someone should get Mourinho to make our players just lie down. Surely we'll win everything then!

Agree1 Disagree1

13 Mar 2015 08:29:36
Hard work does, buy you need talent as well, that's what the OP left

By the way I'm back, this site is way too addicting lol, such a great community.

Agree1 Disagree1

14 Mar 2015 01:09:16
I think they did lie down against psg mate. No movement no attack disgrace.

Agree0 Disagree1

12 Mar 2015 18:23:59
There has been a lot today saying about Costa and Fabregas's dip in form. They said that Fabregas always has a not as good 2nd half of the season which I'm not too worried about. I would like to see him back up at no.10 though in place of Oscar. A lot of people disagree with him there but I like it. I think you need your best attacking players to play closer together and our three are Fabregas, Hazard and Costa. So if we're playing 4-2-3-1 I'd have Cesc as no.10, Eden LW and Diego up front so they're closer together. We also need to give Cusdrado his run in the team now at RW.

Believable2 Unbelievable1

12 Mar 2015 21:02:21
The problem is we play so deep, so many times yesterday we had Matic, Fabregas and Hazard in our own half when we had position, this draws Costa outside and a complete number mismatch. We need Matic sitting and Fabregas pushing up giving the ball early to our attackers in their attacking positions high up the field, with Costa central. Positive tactics, positive tempo and positive pressing!

Agree0 Disagree1

12 Mar 2015 21:44:01
You're right, PB. We didn't have a lot of the ball close to PSG's goal, but even when we did there was at most one player in their box (and that one guy wasn't even Costa as he was constantly drifting wide to get the ball). We can't realistically expect to score if we have so little guys in dangerous positions.

Agree0 Disagree1

12 Mar 2015 14:13:35
I'd just like to see a lot more positivity from Chelsea from now on. Azpilicueta's a great defensive full back but he offers nothing going forward from the left. He could go to RB but I doubt jose would drop branna. I'd start Filipe as LB from now on and give him a run he's an experienced pro. Cahill played ok last night but I don't know why he still hasn't kept Zouma in the poor lad hasn't had a bad game and I feel a lot better with his pace at the back. I really don't think we need a centre back yet we have plenty of quality ones but they're either playing out of position, not playing or out on loan I.e Zouma, Ivanovic and Kalas.

I think we've established that Fabregas, Matic and Oscar doesn't work in a big game we need an extra bit of power. I've been calling for Loftus-Cheek for a while and if he was in southamptons youth he would be starting on Sunday. Fabregas hasn't played well but that I think has been down to our negative tactics. Ramires and Mikel aren't tactically good enough. I'd like to see Chalobah or Ake take Mikel's place. And with Ramires I'd like to see us go for Matuidi. He is similar to Ramires but technically better and a lot more powerful. Verrati was brilliant and Is going to be the next Pirlo I'm sure. But he's not disciplined enough for the premier league and I don't like him either. Our midfield is crying out for that Ballack-esque type. I'd even like to see us try for Gundogan a world class player coming to the end of his contract.

Oscar could be on his way out because he's underperformed since the Swansea game and that's not good enough in a title challenging side. He's not creating enough. This is why we question why Mata and De Bruyne left. Oscar should be up there with Coutinho and Silva but he's not. He is a quality player and sometimes I just wonder if his form is down to negative tactics. And why do we keep persisting with Drogba when we have Cuadrado and Remy on the bench, two quality players. Drogba just slows the game down similar to Willian in my opinion. We just need to make our side more balanced and bring some great faces back from loan. Get Loftus-Cheek in and bring back Kalas, Chalobah, Traore and Bamford.

Believable2 Unbelievable1

12 Mar 2015 14:30:27
id love to see our youth prosper however we must be a little more realistic.

kalas - failed in Germany - doing reasonably well in championship

Chalobah - failed in EPL - doing well in championship

Traore - doing great in the dutch league. I repeat DUTCH.

Bamford - doing brilliant in championship.

Loftus-Cheeck - tearing it up In u21's.

whilst all these players are doing well what makes everybody on this site so sure that they are going to be good enough for Chelsea? a lot of wishful thinking I believe.

bamford or traore might make it to fringe squad player next season and loftus cheek might become a real player but I have my doubts on kalas on chalobah.

PLEASE prove me wrong.

Agree0 Disagree2

12 Mar 2015 17:01:21
Kalas never got a chance in Germany and injuries hampered him. He's been quality for Boro and he's helping them to promotion. He played 2 games for us and played extremely well.

I don't remember Chalobah failing in the BPL. If he did he would have been very young. I'm sure him or Ake would offer more than Mikel.

Agree1 Disagree1

{Ed018's Note - Chalobah was with Burnley earlier this season and failed to make an impact}

12 Mar 2015 17:30:31
He also didn't get much of a chance

Agree4 Disagree0

{Ed018's Note - I'd guess that was down to him failing to impress in training and the matches he played in}

12 Mar 2015 14:09:36
Hi lads, tried not to post anything last night and todays morning as I believe that I needed to let all the boiled blood t settle down.

Moving to yesterdays game I can tell that I fell really sad about the score, but many of you are trying to make an elephant from a fly (dont really know how this terminology sounds in English), we can't win every game and sometimes you need to put your head down and carry own working, it happens to all the teams and yesterday we were outplayed by a team who wanted it more than us.

Just put this loss asside and meet and cheer our lads even more the next game! We all are blues and winning so waited premier league this year would make our season superb. let's conquer Europe next year :)

Believable1 Unbelievable3

12 Mar 2015 10:21:51
WELL

I don't think I've seen anybody mention the following 2 games yet.
-man united (AWAY)
-MAN CITY (AWAY)

If i'm not mistaken we were winning both games away from home only to leave with a draw in each.

IMO man u away, man city away and psg at home were our biggest 3 games to date this season. (league cup final was a final yes, but take note of the cups importance to rivals)

we CANNOT keep trying to play big games with the tacticswhich were used with jose's last Chelsea crop.

so many of you call out for zouma or ake or loftus cheek but what makes you think they would help any in the middle? I dnt think the problem is the players it is our tactics. no team should ever try and counter attack against a team down to 10 men, how Jose managed to convince himself that was the best way is beyond me.

but in the end despite some people calling for his head, Jose is best for us.

had the media not built up talk of "invincibles" and "winning the quad" then we would have all snatched the league and the league cup come matchday 1.

win the league - season success

throw the league - serious time to question some players

no league title or UCL Victory this year and next year - the fired one.

id love for jose to build a dynasty and stay for 15 years but that's not modern football and not Chelsea (unless he is winning)

a lot of criticism for rami and Oscar.
rami does exactly what jose asks every game but will go in summer I believe, its been good while its lasted but we have improved and cannot guarantee his squad or XI place. as for Oscar I fear that it is going to be a sturridge/robben/de bruyne situation. YES he doesn't fit here BUT he is world class and will show it in another system. we have to pray he has a good run til the season end so we get a portion of what he will be worth under an appropriate system.

I fear for Southampton

Believable1 Unbelievable0

12 Mar 2015 12:11:12
And the Man City away game was against 10 men for most of the second half.

Agree0 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 13:01:28
BruceCeFC - that's right! with wins in both of those games we would be 10 pts. clear of city with a game in hand! you can talk as much you want about referee decisions but had Jose let us play to our potential freely in the 3 games mentioned we would be 10 clear with a game in hand PLUS still in the UCL. unfortunately without Jose`s defensive mind set we may not grind out results such as west ham recently. however I believe there is a fine margin he needs to tweak his tactics towards

Agree0 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 09:56:50
Boys boys boys! Why all the negativity?! 'Sack Jose, bring in klopp'- now that's what I call a knee-jerk reaction! PSG were magnificent on the night and fully deserved their win; over an hour with 10 men and looked as though they had the extra man - reminded me of a time in Barcelona when a team had their captain and leader sent off before half-time, went 2-0 down but still progressed to the next round! Should Barca have sacked Guardiola and changed half of their team!? Just accept that Paris were better on the night and move on.
Is the Prem and League cup double not enough for you people!!

Believable2 Unbelievable1

12 Mar 2015 10:33:00
I need to be more obvious, I meant that would people take Klopp and sack Mourinho, I wasn't saying I would :)

Agree1 Disagree1

12 Mar 2015 05:34:12
The one thing I like about losing, is that this forum is extremely busy, so many people come flooding in lol :)

My main point, who would sack Mourinho and get Jurgen Klopp in? If all wa possible? Klopp would be brilliant with our high press

Believable0 Unbelievable5

12 Mar 2015 07:43:52
Our defence (minus Dave) at the minute can't play high press. We would be slaughtered against pacy teams.
Also, what has Klopp done that Jose hasn't/can't?

Agree4 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 08:44:13
Our defence also can't defend corners at the moment.

Agree2 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 09:01:15
Really don't believe what I'm reading, you want to replace Jose are you mad. John terry has been a great player for the club and is my all time favourite chelsea player but until he hangs up his boots we will always sit deep.

Agree3 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 10:34:37
I wasn't saying that, I asked would you? Considering almost everyone is moaning at Mourinho. I wouldn't replace Mourinho

And we are suited to high press, by that I mean our mid and attack, made for it! Our defense needs a reshuffle anyway

Agree0 Disagree3

12 Mar 2015 00:54:01
Lying in bed trying to think of words to describe the game tonight and I honestly cannot. Horrible? Tragic? Embarrassing? Any one of those words can be used unfortunately.
I went into the game tonight confident. Carrying over a 1-1 draw from Paris I thought the only way we would suffer was is if Zlatan showed up so you can imagine how buzzing I was when he got sent off, (despite the frankly appalling reaction from our players).
How wrong was I of course!
Tactically tonight there are no words to describe how bad we were and as much as we chelsea fans love him there is no one else to blame but Mourinho. So slow, boring, negative, bitter, lacklustre just downright shocking. I don't understand Mourinho at all. At his disposal he has a fantastic wealth of attaking talent yet constantly sets them up so negatively. Even if we win the PL this year I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Hazard going to a team like PSG in search of attacking football despite the fact he just signed a new contract. How would any player out there be tempted to come to our club and play that kind of football because let's be honest it isn't going to change guys. hell Di Matteo got sacked after winning the CL with us and he played better football haha.
After the game I didn't even bat an eyelid. We deserved to go out and anyone who says we didn't is stupid. Any team who plays at home with in my opinion a better squad and one more man on the field and gets outplayed in every sense of the word does not deserve to go through and complete with the likes of Barca, Madrid and Bayern. I couldn't face playing that style of football against another team and hearing everyone talk about how boring and shit Chelsea are to watch because as much as I love Chelsea football club I can't help but agree with them. The club isn't going forward at all. We are going backwards and I don't care if you disagree with me because I'm right.
This wasn't just a poor performance tonight that has brought this out in me tonight, it's been the past few months, we have been very poor. Constantly grinding out results against teams we should be wiping the floor with realistically. I'm actually starting to believe Mourinho makes games hard for himself and for the team so that if he wins he looks a genius. I think he sets his teams up with to much fear and respect of the opponent rather than riling them up saying we can beat anyone etc because let's be honest lads, look at our squad for Gods sake its 1 or 2 more players away from being Dream worthy but we play like a league 1 team. I would rather go out fighting than get through being a bitch. I want to win titles demolishing opposition like we should be doing rather than winning them in vain with people talking about how boring we are and how much we didn't deserve to win it. I look at our team and I see so much ability being wasted with backwards tactics. The best teams in the world attack first defend later. We defend. Attacking is a word I rarely use when describing our team these days. Defenders constantly bailing us out of games with goals because these days we unfortunately just can't score anything other than corners or penaltys.
I'm sorry for ranting lads and wether you agree or disagree with me you have to admit we need a change and it needs to happen soon otherwise it's going to be a very long boring slippery slope.

Believable3 Unbelievable2

12 Mar 2015 01:41:22
You're right it's terrible. When you see us having to rely on Ivanovic for goals that's really poor

Agree1 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 03:37:31
Again, we lost from a good position due to something decisive happening and us not reacting. Same with Spurs away when we took the lead. We sat off, let them play. Same with Bradford, took a lead and then sat off. With Ibra, his sending off was probably the best thing for PSG, before it the game had been even with no chances. Ibra getting sent off riled them. It almost seemed to deflate us. In my opinion, the game changing moment, was either then or the Costa penalty shout.
Having said that, questions that need answering:
How did Verrati, Oscar, Luiz and Costa all stay on the pitch but Ibra didn't? And why did the referee allow PSG to act so ridiculously after Silva scored?

Agree2 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 05:29:02
Seriously buddy? Talk about a Knee-Jerk

It was Embarrasing, but Mourinho making games hard for himself to make himself look like a genius, oh come on

Grow some balls, accept defeat, it happens. Take it on the chin and applaud opposition

When we win the league by 10 + points, please don't praise Mourinho.

Agree1 Disagree5

12 Mar 2015 07:04:04
Aron, he does have a point in the sense that there needs to be a change. We haven't looked good in an attacking way for quite some time now. Winning the CL is always a long shot, but going out in the round of 16 hurts for me. Every year IMO, we should at least make it to the quarters or the semis. But it's done, so no point in whining over it.
I just hope we get back to playing good football in the League, we need it. A lot of players have to pick up their game, seriously. Oscar hasn't looked good, Ramires wasn't good last night, Willian had a tough time attacking with Ivanovic providing less support than usual etc.
Costa looked a little better, but we don't create any chances for him. We have to do better. And he also needs to dial it down a little on the pitch. He could've very easily been sent off for that shove on Marquinhos, it was so stupid. He just can't do that.

Agree1 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 07:29:48
We were outplayed by 10 men. The best team on the night went through.

Agree2 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 07:50:09
Agree 100% Jackson. I would hope Mourinho seriously thinks about Cuadrado, RLC, Christiansen and even Remy in the next few games.

Agree2 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 07:55:48
Sorry, but can the original poster explain exactly how we are going backwards? I'm confused by that argument. A month or so ago (after Swansea) everyone was saying how far we had come this season.
If we win the league, I highly doubt Hazard will go. He himself has always vetoed a return to France because of his success there, I expect his next move to be in maybe summer 2017 or 18 to either Germany (Bayern to replace Robben/Ribery?) or Spain (Most likely Real to replace Ronaldo?). If that move doesn't happen, I don't think he will move from Chelsea. Especially if he keeps finding success here.

Agree0 Disagree1

12 Mar 2015 07:59:29
Another thing. I thought Remy had to come on and not Drogba. I love Drogba but I just don't think he's mobile enough to play in these games. He can still be effective as an impact sub in games where the opposition sits back, but yesterday he was just too slow IMO. I kind of feel for Remy, the guy has played well whenever given a chance but Mourinho doesn't give him time on the pitch.

Agree2 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 10:02:12
Sorry but you can't be serious when you say accept defeat. I would accept defeat if we gave it our all, played attacking football and at least looked like we wanted to go through. We were favourites when they had 11 men and when they went to 10 there was no doubt in anyone's mind that chelsea realistically should've walked that game. Backwards tactics, boring football, slow paced football (which seems to be quite familiar these days) are ruining us. We had more than a week off to prepare for this game and get rid of any nigling bugs in our play and any tiredness but we looked like we had played the night before.
And CFC forever get real mate. Wether it be France, Germany or Spain Hazard will leave in search of a better brand of football I can guarantee you that. Hazard is a future ballon d'or winner and he ain't going to win in it playing for us unless we play good free flowing attacking football which unfortunately my friend ain't going to happen. We have the foundations (and more) for us to play excellent football but it's not going to happen and it saddens me because there is so much ability not getting aloud to flourish under this style of football. I come on here every week and read people talking about how Oscar, Willian, Hazard and Costa etc (all our attacking players) having good games because they tracked back well and helped the team out. Really? I don't care what anyone says Oscar has the ability to be one of the best Attacking mids in the world and he's not being aloud to show it. Willian I can guarantee has all the ability and flare to run at players and beat them and be a real winger but he's being discouraged to do so. All our players I guarantee if they were aloud to play the right way would be so much better and you all know it. I mean for gods sake look at Salah, our apparent weakest link in terms of wingers is tearing it up somewhere else playing better football and there is actually people on this site who are talking about bringing him back. We are ruining great players and it's sad to see and it's going to continue to happen.

Agree2 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 10:36:22
Oscar was playing well in first half, we collapsed when he came off

Agree0 Disagree2

12 Mar 2015 11:33:53
Eastonman, Salah is now in a poor league, where space is offered, would that happen in the EPL?

Agree0 Disagree1

12 Mar 2015 14:09:58
How many goals did Salah score for Basel when he played them? 2 or 3 and we are an EPL team so your argument is invalid. The goals he scored against us are one of the reasons he signed for us.

Agree1 Disagree1

15 Mar 2015 11:57:36
What?

Agree0 Disagree0

12 Mar 2015 00:31:49
Extremely disappointing result tonight. I disagree with most people on here about the tactics. The performance may not have been spectacular but up until 5 minutes from the end we were going through. Mourinho would have been working on keeping solid all week and with the sending off it is not so easy just to completely change approach and go 'gun-ho'. Also, who else has noticed how many corners we concede when Courtois is playing? When Cech plays organizes the defense a lot better. I'd be interested to see or hear the stats.

Believable0 Unbelievable1

12 Mar 2015 03:40:16
Mhmm. A one nil win would have seen everyone hailing Mourinho for 'tactical genius' etc.
We also need to remember although Ibra is PSG's best known player, he's also their laziest. The best sending off would have been Verrati, or Matuidi (who are both banned for the 1st QF leg) as that would have given PSG so little midfield energy.

Agree0 Disagree0