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10 Jan 2019 22:14:48
OK, so Sarri is trying to implement a whole system. Jorginho is the only player in our squad who knows the ins and outs of it. Given the time and backing, Sarri will get it right and Jorginho will be integral to it.
Jorginho Napoli Skills - evidence of what he offers when the right players are in the squad:
10 Jan 2019 23:37:08
Nice post mate. Hopefully we get the right players soon.
10 Jan 2019 21:42:21
Arnautovic anyone?
10 Jan 2019 23:35:22
I think we all would take him. But it's West Ham?!? They are tough to negotiate with and will take advantage of our situation.
Higuain loan will be the best option until the summer. Who do you think we can realistically get in the summer to take over and be the undisputed striker?
10 Jan 2019 23:59:15
All day long!
11 Jan 2019 00:14:14
Would not be my first option but definatelly knows where the goal is. Anyway west Ham would not be willing to sell cheap therefore can't see us forking out 40+ mil for Artaunovic.
10 Jan 2019 21:41:49
Hi Eds only Been lurking on here recently but enjoying the debates. are you still getting abused by the lobotomised or is there a chance a quick update on ins and outs lads if not too busy cheers in advance.
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10 Jan 2019 21:57:41
Cheers Eds one and all.
11 Jan 2019 07:50:02
Nothing on Chelsea. Just outgoings.
11 Jan 2019 08:02:56
I’m stuck a work all day, won’t be abel to listen until tonight. Anyone able to sum up anything Chelsea related in there?
11 Jan 2019 08:22:40
Nothing. Outgoings but no names mentioned.
11 Jan 2019 12:52:46
Cheers Adam.
10 Jan 2019 20:51:44
Interesting stuff on Jorginho, as most might know, like Standard and Turvey I find it hard to see what’s so great about our new number 5.
Let’s get things clear, I’m in no way saying he should be sold or saying he should be thrown to the bench all I’m saying is I don’t see why he cost so much, and why a lot of people think he is so effective to the way Sarri wants us to play. He does absolutely nothing that any other player that plays his role in other teams doesn’t do, more so when you look at teams that play possession football, Busquets is a good tackler and then distributes the ball quickly to players that make things happen. Busquets has as many passes as Jorginho but those who are interested in stats I beg you to share how many of his passes are positive passes. He sets the tempo to games, controls the midfield, and the game mind you he is not the quickest but he reads a game so well. How many abilities is that for one player but all you guys say for Jorginho is that he passes the ball and good under pressure ( Which is still debatable as we saw against spurs in the league) .
I’m not even going to judge him by goals cause that’s not his game but how are people going to call Kova out on his goal return when that’s not his game either, Kovacic is easily a better player than him and in my opinion would be better suited to playing Jorginhos role with Kanye and RLC in the cmf roles. I rarely have dogs at our players especially new signings but like Ed001 I don’t think Jorginho is what we needed, he was more suited to the slow tempo of the Italian league than here in England. His reading of the game in front of him is poor, his weight on passes on forward runs is poor. To be honest he has improved with his tackling and he might be adapting to the football in England but for me against teams that sit back especially at the bridge I think he hasn’t shown enough to warrant a spot in midfield.
Ps. I’m not trying to sound like a broken record would like to see what others think.
10 Jan 2019 21:30:38
ELI I think we should all agree to disagree on Jorginho and move on. We have had so many posts about him recently, the posts about him have all been good, some constructive and others less so. I've enjoyed reading different views on him from fellow Chelsea fans even though I disagree with the criticism of the player but that's my opinion. That doesn't mean I'm right and the critics are wrong. But we have had one too many debates about him.
Nevertheseless it was good to read everyones opinion about him as its kept this place very active which is good but let's be honest our opinions don't matter. The fact of the matter is that Sarri sees him as an integral component to his team and I will support the manager 100% as want him to succeed. Jorginho was fantastic at Napoli and will be the same at Chelsea.
I've been impressed with Chelsea this year and with a few new additions I am positive we will be back competing for the title soon. Hopefully we can sign a striker in January and things will start looking nice again.
10 Jan 2019 22:02:08
Fair enough Shak. Good banter. How do you see the game against Newcastle playing out?!
10 Jan 2019 23:18:12
Agreed ELI, I also think we should cut the Jorginho debate and bring it up again later on in the season. I hope to be eating my hat about him by then!
10 Jan 2019 23:32:57
It's a must win game for us ELI, I don't want to think about any other outcome other than a win lol. However, these days we are struggling to break down defensive units and it will be more of the same with Rafa in charge. I just hope our strikers score to take some of the pressure off Hazard who is marked so heavily in games. But I think it will be the false 9 tactics again which I'm not a massive fan of because Hazard is more dangerous on the left.
Everytime we seem to build a 5 point lead from Arsenal, the very next game we drop points which is a shame. We should have consolidated 4th positiin by now.
What are your thoughts mate?
11 Jan 2019 00:23:34
Eli we have to win, and that's the only outcome I can see. I do really hope that we play with the striker though and allow hazard CHO play on the wings as newcastle will sit deep in their defense.
Also i thought that we can try to play willian in 3rd midfield position, guy can definatelly shoot, has the work ethic and used to be not a bad passer couple of seasons ago.
11 Jan 2019 01:06:50
LRD, I’ve been saying that for years. Similar to di Maria at real, he can drive and has exceptional work rate. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened sooner for us.
11 Jan 2019 08:16:47
Same Shak, I see it being a tight game but think we’ll squeeze all 3 points. Hope Hazard and CHO play with Giroud as a focal point, plus CHO does whip in some brilliant crosses.
I’d like to see Emerson play, think this would be a perfect game to play him think he could also be effective offensively. 3 points is a must as two of our rivals in spurs and united play so we need to capitalize.
10 Jan 2019 20:51:09
If Willian goes to Barcelona for 50 million I will be over the moon. Malcom involves in the deal apparently not sure about him but can't be worse than Willian. Id just take the money.
10 Jan 2019 21:32:14
I'd take the gamble with Malcolm. Not everyone makes it at Barcelona but that doesn't make you a bad player. Coutinhio would be the dream move for me but it won't happen.
10 Jan 2019 21:40:08
dont really need malcom but take him.
10 Jan 2019 21:50:28
I'd rather have Denis Suarez. more versatile.
11 Jan 2019 01:07:35
I wouldn’t take Malcolm unless we’re losing hazard. what a message that would send to CHO if we get Malcom. not good and he’d be off.
10 Jan 2019 20:08:01
Looks like Barcelona are offering 50 million plus Malcom for Willian.
Can't see there being any truth to that one, though I wouldn't be heart broken if Willian left. Firmly believe that Pedro and CHO offer more, plus it seems Willian is disinterested when he's on the pitch.
11 Jan 2019 00:09:28
if that's true its a no brainer willian is offering us nothing.
10 Jan 2019 20:06:43
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10 Jan 2019 20:05:48
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10 Jan 2019 17:31:11
Apparently Abramovich is pushing forward a deal for Icardi as he is his no1 target price known to be his release clause which is £90m hopefully we sign him that way we don't have to worry about signing another striker. What Icardi brings is guaranteed goals, leadership and world class ability.
10 Jan 2019 20:03:55
I'd be careful on the sources of that story. If it's the same reporter that I read he has us linked with at least 7 strikers now. 3-4 midfielders and basically a new back line too. Pretty much a brand new 11 and subs 😁.
10 Jan 2019 20:13:55
Would sooooooooo love to believe that’s true, but just cannot see it.
10 Jan 2019 21:44:00
Would love it - but I think Real, Barcelona and PSG might have a say.
11 Jan 2019 00:25:29
If PSG or Barcelona buy him I would gladly take their current main strikers to our team. Even though suarez would have to wear a dogs mask in case he wanta to bite anyone again.
10 Jan 2019 15:53:23
Ed001, what are your thoughts about Duff and Ballack as a players? Havertz in germany has been drawing some comparisons to the latter, would be a good buy.
{Ed001's Note - loved both mate. I was gutted when Duff chose Chelsea over Liverpool (among others), he was a much better winger than he gets given credit for. Probably because he faded so badly due to injuries.
As for Ballack, a proper team player, as well as being quality he had an excellent attitude, as exemplified by him in the World Cup semi in 2002 when he took the card knowing it would put him out of the final and continued to play his heart out for the team. As opposed to Gazza who fell apart when it happened because he was not a true team player.}
10 Jan 2019 16:06:32
Cheers mate, huge fan of both. Actually ran into Duff at an airport, was great to both me and my dad.
Really interesting comparison between Duff and Gazza there as well.
10 Jan 2019 19:47:35
Duff was brilliant, if he was in his prime now he'd be an £80m+ player. Underrated cause of his boring name and nationality- If it was Daniele Duffenza people would be raving over him.
10 Jan 2019 20:14:29
Loved Duff. What a player. His goal against barcelona still gives me goosebumps.
10 Jan 2019 08:20:00
Great performance from city this morning. Watching them play is the level we need to get to. The pace at which they play and and the speed is great to watch.
I do hate to harp on about it but this’ll be the last post I make about it. Jorginho is not up to scratch. Myself, I’ve never seen the use of a player that can only pass sideways and backwards. He’s now completed over 1000 passes without a single assist. I know stats are misleading and that’s not his role but it shows how woeful his forward passes are. Every time I’ve seen him pass forward to a winger or striker he doesn’t weight it correctly or he messes it up.
I do understand he’s there to dictate tempo, but he doesn’t bring enough to the table for me. Like Eli said against teams that sit back and not of use. He can’t product a ball splitting defence and he’s slow when the opposition is countering.
I was thrilled when we signed him but I just haven’t rated his play at all. Maybe he will improve but for me we have better options.
10 Jan 2019 09:04:26
Is that why pep wanted him at city? Not good enough my arse. Mate it’s his first season in a new country, league, new language etc. Don’t think he’s doing too badly to be honest. Look at Peps first season at City, we won’t see the real “Sarri chelsea” until next season, when he’s a full
Pre season with the players and with the players he wants. Think we all forget this sometimes. We can not compare Sarri’s first to contes neither, as we had no Europe and a lot more time together between matches.
As long as we get top 4 I’ll be happy this season.
10 Jan 2019 10:41:07
Excellent reply Adam.
10 Jan 2019 10:51:01
Pep also wanted Fred, is he any good? We’ve been through this Adam. If you think he’s a good player good for you I’m just stating that I and many others don’t think he is good enough.
10 Jan 2019 11:04:00
I haven’t seen enough of Fred to judge him. If players are played in the right positions then watch them fly. Pogba’s Performances have improved dramatically since Jose left, he’s been given more free role and now united are reaping the rewards, same with Rashford, now scoring goals because being played in the correct position.
But I’m guessing Jorginho was good enough at the start of the season? When he was supplying pass after pass? So what’s changed, nothing in my eyes. The lack of a striker and forward thinking midfielders is our problem. Barkley and Kovacic haven’t impressed in my view. Barkley started season well but has tailed off. Kovacic puts a shift in but no killer edge. Kante is kante.
10 Jan 2019 11:44:41
i think the criticism of jorginho is a joke. its shows how silly some fans are. yer moaning he can't split a defence with a 40 ydard ball like fabregas could? no he can't that's not why he's in the team. he's in the team to get the ball moving faster than ex players like matic did. is he doing that yes he is. if he passes the ball sideways so what what's his job get the play moving yes? he does exactly that its up to barkley or kovacic pedro willian an hazard to be the key to creativity not jorginho? kantes new role is more or less box to box run around make a presence of urself. steal the ball when u can and get in the box when we have the ball. he does exactly that. swap him with jorginho and your moving our tempo man into midfield were he won't offer us anything going forward at least kante has the legs to get up an down i think both kante an jorginho have been exellent this year but they can both improve still a bit. its barkley kovacic that's letting them down. both players are offering nothing . how many assists/ goals have they both? and nobody is giving out about them?
10 Jan 2019 12:58:08
It appears a few people have a severe case of 'Kings new clothes ' regarding Jorghino .
He is a massive luxury unless the other two midfield are very creative and score goals as is the situation at Citeh.
It was a real shame Pep didn't sign him as it would have weakened them defensively. He wouldn't have replaced Fernandinho for sometime who is an excellent player.
Its perfectly obvious he is incapable of producing defence splitting passes and indeed contributing anything when teams park the bus .
He is poor defensively, lacks pace and physicality and contributes nothing creatively and forget goals.
Infact he is stealing a living passing the ball 15yds sideways and back.
Mikel who was a whipping boy at Chelsea was a much more effective player and has the medals to prove it.
10 Jan 2019 13:26:09
Magic your reply is spot on mate.
I would like to add that Jorginho is playing the 'Regista' role this season and is the launchpad and base of the attacks. Jorginho is an excellent player with the ball and he made more than enough penetrative passes, through balls, accurate lofted passes, one-touch passes, passes onto tight lanes etc. He tries to control and dictate the tempo of play with the other midfielders and wingers trying to overload flanks. He is positionally astute and has an excellent vision with an accurate understanding of where his teammates are positioned. He makes threatening passes to the advanced playmakers who are well placed to set up and score goals. He is doing all of the above and his job very well in my opinion. He is not Fabregas of previous years because he does not play advanced CM and hebdoes not have Kante or Matic behind him.
Barkley/ Kovacic should be doing more from advanced CM positions. Once the ball has been distributed to them they should be more forward thinking, however the ball is always back to Jorginho.
10 Jan 2019 13:45:28
It's a joke, I don't think many people know the role Jorginho is supposed to play at Chelsea which is beyond ludicrous. Yes his not a world beater yet but he is playing very well and has improved defensively too. It's his first season too.
His keeping the tempo at a high pace, his making more than enough threatening passes as well as side to side passes andn1 touch passes to get the ball moving quick. He isn't the man that is designed to break down a bus with a delightful pass or a Fabregas style assist. Healso isn't the man that is supposed to bail us out of games by bursting forward from midfield and scoring. Isn't that the role of the other two CM's along with the attackers. Of course RLC would have suited heavily but he needs to get well first.
Barkley and Kovacic should be breaking down the bus alongside the wingers and our striker. However, you will note that barring Hazard the rest are all misfiring at the moment. Is that Jorhinho's fault? Bsrkely, Kovacic, Kante, Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Morata are all there to break down a bus. not Jorginho.
10 Jan 2019 13:50:45
My bad, seems like we have more Jorginho fans than not I was wrong.
Adam, no, I didn’t rate him at the start of the season either. He’s not a scapegoat I just don’t rate him as a great player. He’s the exact same as mikel, who was a whipping boy as Turvey said.
I understand the role of a regista however registas need to be capable of forward passes. From what I’ve seen, Jorginho isn’t. Maybe he will improve as I said, but for now he doesn’t have the ability and I didn’t see much of him at Napoli.
Magic, are you saying a player like Kante can’t ‘get the ball moving’ as quick as Jorginho? It’s hardly a big skill and every football player should be capable of kicking a ball.
Shak, he really hasn’t made that many good passes as you have said in my opinion. Countless times this season he’s failed to spot the run of a player or misplaced it.
People really do think your hating on this page for simply not rating a player. It’s unbelievable.
10 Jan 2019 13:51:46
Player profile on Jorginho ed? Would be magnificent.
10 Jan 2019 14:49:55
Jorghino a launch pad. since when have rockets gone sideways and backwards!
As for being a Regista few are capable of fullfilling what Pirlo did and steal a living by comparison.
10 Jan 2019 15:29:52
i would say standard he is 100 percent better on the ball and a better passer than kante but obviously ders not even an argument kante is the better player.
10 Jan 2019 15:31:16
obviously he's not in pirlos league either he was the king at dictating games with his passing.
10 Jan 2019 20:43:09
Is it Jorginho or is it the players around him not playing the way Saari wants?
10 Jan 2019 07:55:19
Alonso has got a lot of slack on here recently and mostly justified.
Anyway credit to him for his quote on CHO's situation.
"Bayern Munich? We are Chelsea, another great team, the Premier League is the most competitive league in the world, I don't know why someone would go to Bayern Munich. "
Tbh if you have made it or on the verge of making it at a top club in the premier league then Alonso is 100% right.
10 Jan 2019 09:03:00
agreed alonsos a good guy always gives 100 percent.
10 Jan 2019 07:29:01
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