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19 Apr 2025 09:57:01
I was told this morning that Palmer isn't 100% certain to play tomorrow.
If true (doubtful) I would see it as an opportunity to play 433 but it ain't happening.
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19 Apr 2025 14:13:01
Tom
Only 6 games to go and we can then chill over the summer.
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19 Apr 2025 14:54:03
I always say I love the transfer rumours but generally hate the transfer facts.
Anyway, we do have the WCC to lol forward to. haha.
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19 Apr 2025 16:00:29
Tom
There are so many rumours going around both in and out so best just wait to see who is signed and who is sold.
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19 Apr 2025 16:33:19
As you know I’m all for waiting before making judgments.
My old used to say “that saying nothing is saying something” I should take those wise words seriously for most peoples benefit.!
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09 Apr 2025 11:35:18
I'm not sure how a gooner would know but one has just told me that we have reached agreement with Delaps representatives and subject to the clubs agreeing a fee and the medical he will be joining us to play in the WCC.
I'm not a massive fan but he does offer something different up front.
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09 Apr 2025 13:21:32
He may have seen it from a few media reports Tom however they say we are the front runners and nothing is certain.
I suppose it wond hinder Jackson's development however it won't really help us where we need an experienced ST.
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09 Apr 2025 13:46:15
Although he is a gooner he is related to someone very senior at the happy hammers. I have a feeling that’s the place he got the information from.
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09 Apr 2025 19:05:16
12 EPL goals so far, at a poor Ipswich team, is nothing to be sniffed at. I think this would be a Maresca signing, sang his praises earlier in the season, and I suppose it'll split the room as to whether that's a good thing or not. At the muted clause it offers good value for money, but how much better does he make this squad?
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09 Apr 2025 19:16:07
J
Out of the 12xl goals, how many were penalties?
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09 Apr 2025 20:55:17
Looks like 2 in 2025
One against us and fulham.
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09 Apr 2025 23:30:03
I rate Delap and can easily see a partnership with Jackson working well but I expect a few teams will be in for him.
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10 Apr 2025 07:16:24
Bill, many a Chelsea fan defended Palmer for that last season.
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10 Apr 2025 11:11:12
True J but if we get a ST, we need them to weigh in with goals from open play, CP will continue to be our penalty taker next season.
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10 Apr 2025 12:04:02
If he is still at the club.
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10 Apr 2025 14:21:03
What would you sell him for Tom?
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10 Apr 2025 15:44:36
Bill, I wouldn’t sell him but if a silly offer is made for him, say around £150m I think the club will take it.
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10 Apr 2025 15:52:39
10 goals in open play, not too bad in a poor Ipswich team.
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10 Apr 2025 17:12:19
Tom
If they sell CP, then the owners and SD's are done, it will be like Everton where they won't be able to attend matches at the Bridge.
J, you are right 10 goals in open play is not bad and indeed, who knows if any ST we bring in will be any good, if LeicesterMaresca stays and does not want the player, he won't play anyway.
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10 Apr 2025 17:52:25
Bill, I’m resolved to being attached to any player for about the last five or six years.
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10 Apr 2025 18:26:52
Tom
There is a trend these days where fans won't put up with owners not doing the best for their club, Liverpool, Everton, Man U and in the not to distant past, Newcastle. Even you have moaned to the club re ticket issues.
Protests have already stated at our club albeit on a small scale so far however, if CP is sold in the summer, as I say the ownership and SD's are done.
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10 Apr 2025 19:35:12
Bill, some fans will never be satisfied. The owners will never make all fans happy. I can’t moan about the amount they have invested. Like all fans I might have spent it differently with different priorities but other fans would almost certainly have a different view to mine.
If for some reason the club gets an offer for CP that’s exceptional it will surely have to consider it. The fans will moan but no more than when we sold Greaves, Ossie and Hazard. All owners know that loyal supporters will always come back. Generally speaking a football fans support is unconditional.
I was happy with the way the club eventually dealt with my complaint. I will not be happy if the club take away concessions but that’s for another day.
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11 Apr 2025 05:40:59
Apparently lots of teams want Delap a player I’m not convinced about and I assume some clubs will have already spoken to his agent. Plus City have a buyback clause. Sounds like a beauty parade to me.
Putting aside Osimhen and Isak, I think we should consider Sesko.
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14 Apr 2025 12:12:44
Delap would be such a typical signing of this regime.
Signed by Joe Shields for City's academy? Check!
Didn't actually play under Maresca, but he'll claim he knows him from the City academy? Check!
Release clause? Check!
Young, unproven potential? Check!
Less than 30 career goals? Check!
And that's not even considering that his playstyle is the complete antithesis of the insipid, possession heavy, risk averse football Maresca preaches.
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15 Apr 2025 08:10:04
Should be perfect then for next season under Maresca’s management.
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04 Apr 2025 19:31:13
Please don't shoot the messenger but a very old mate told me that the rumour is the City verdict is imminent.
This is probably doing the rounds on social media anyway.
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05 Apr 2025 08:54:52
That's good Tom but there will probably be an appeal by City or the premiership depending who loses the decision.
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05 Apr 2025 10:51:02
An appeal, then CAS appeal, be over a year before final verdict.
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05 Apr 2025 11:44:53
I’m not sure what the procedure is after the verdict. Obviously if City are found guilty they will appeal but what I’m still not sure about is will any penalty be applied this season.
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05 Apr 2025 12:44:40
Matt, as I understand it there can’t be an appeal to CAS but plenty of scope for an appeal in the domestic courts.
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06 Apr 2025 20:54:19
I wonder if they will give them a points deduction that will allow them to stay in the division. So, maybe 25pts and that way they would most likely stay in the premiership and they probably wouldn’t appeal the punishment.
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16 Apr 2025 21:49:48
When governments are involved nothing will happen football is finished in my eyes.
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26 Mar 2025 10:52:32
If the latest rumour from so called "senior Chelsea sources" is to be believed there will be NO stand by stand redevelopment of SB.
So, that one choice of the table. We now have in my opinion three options left.
1) Do nothing.
2) Redevelop/ build new stadium on current SB site.
3) Move to a new site.
Obviously the first option is unlikely.
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26 Mar 2025 14:43:12
The best thing is to move to another site Tom.
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26 Mar 2025 16:28:11
Just move to another site. Further west if earl's court is too expensive and not feasible. Call us the west london blues lol.
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31 Mar 2025 10:02:24
We missed out on Battersea, missing out on Earl’s Court would be monumental opportunity missed, wing so close to the bridge we could have a stadium to rival the best in the world and the sale of Stamford bridge and land around would go to paying for it, the revenue for home games and obviously shows / NFL would go along way, maybe hoesitmg future euros / champions league finals,
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31 Mar 2025 10:53:34
Matt I totally agree.
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31 Mar 2025 16:32:37
I think RA was the under bidder on Battersea and I can’t remember the reason why he didn’t press home the clubs initial interest in Earls Court.
Whatever the reason I now think it could be very problematic to acquire and get permission for a football stadium at EC. may well be wrong but I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
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31 Mar 2025 17:58:34
Reading various news items Tom, there is still a window of opportunity to move on EC but that would mean the owners actually making a decision that suits both parties.
I think with RA, was the government poking it's nose into him, particularly the nasty Labour clown that is Chris Bryant.
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31 Mar 2025 18:20:20
Bill, I do seem to remember that RA did have problems with I think his residence/ citizenship but I’m not sure if that wasn’t some time after the EC site initially became available.
There may well be a small chance of resurrecting a football stadium plan but I now have my doubts it will happen. The present owners seem a long way down the road on developing the site. Of course this could be a ploy to gain a premium price for the site.
The Chris Bryant issues were more about him using parliamentary privilege to constantly name RA. I’m not sure it had anything to do with a stadium rebuild.
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01 Apr 2025 08:59:40
Tom
There is no way in he'll that the slimey Chris Bryant only mentioned RA in the corrupt Commons, I'm sure there was pressure behind the scenes as well.
I'm curious why you think the owners are well down the road to developing the site when no decision has been made and TB himself has said moving away is still an option.
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01 Apr 2025 09:43:47
Bill, Chris Bryant only made his derogatory comments in the House of Commons because of parliamentary privilege. If he had made the comments in public he would have most likely been sued.
My historic belief was that the current owners would do a stand by stand redevelopment. That option now appears to be off the table. I think a new stadium rebuild on the current SB would prove to be very costly and also means moving away from SB fro approx five years. Any EC development will also be costly and remember plans for a housing development with NO football stadium has already been submitted by the current owners/ developers. In my opinion buying land for any EC would cost a substantial premium.
Of course we now await the report that is supposedly due this summer from the director charged with the responsibility of looking at all the options. I assume he will also make recommendations in that report.
Again, this is only me guessing but I think the club will move out of the area and closer to the M25. This will then bring about protracted discussions with the CPO. It should also be reservations the CPO cannot develop the current SB site and it can only be used for the playing of football/ sports. Yes it owns the CFC name as well. So, another guess would be that the CPO will find itself between a rock and a hard place.
I stress again this is only me guessing. The report in the summer will make interesting reading.
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01 Apr 2025 10:27:12
Roman had a very good opportunity to aquire Earls Court long before his sanctions and issues but the CPO pretty much blocked it. That was the monumental missed opportunity. Ken Bates meant well when he assigned the freehold to the CPO but sadly that backfired. The new owners are determined to rebuild Stamford Bridge or move away and I believe it will be the former and not because of any disagreement between the owners but because of the almost impossible task of aquiring Earls Court.
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01 Apr 2025 10:56:26
Anna, I was involved in the meting and vote about the CPO. It was very volatile.
Romans case wasn’t helped when it bacame obvious to a lot of CPO members that a third party have bought a significant amount of CPO memberships pre the vote. The assumption from many was that it had been orchestrated by RA to meet his own ends.
I actually voted with RA. If I remember correctly the CPO chairman recommended that the members voted for the RA proposal. After the result of the vote he was forced to resign.
To say it as a bit of a farce would be an understatement. Unfortunately in my opinion within the CPO there is a continued mistrust of football owners.
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01 Apr 2025 11:33:14
Tom
I would also add that within the fan base, there is a mistrust with the CPO and that it has held the club back for far too long.
Tom, what exactly would happen to the Bridge if TB and co decided to move out of the area and say called themselves Chelsea USA, for example?
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01 Apr 2025 11:36:01
I too remember it well Tom and that vote against Roman was the day the dream of moving away from Stamford Bridge ended. That was the monumental day in our history. If the CPO had backed Roman that day we would have that shiny big stadium right now. I always felt Roman lost enthusiasm for a new stadium after the CPO turned against him.
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01 Apr 2025 11:47:17
Bill and Anna, it would be easy to blame the CPO but Roman didn’t do his cause any good pre that vote. It made it look to a majority of CPO’s that there was something going on in the background.
I think Roman losing so called enthusiasm for a stadium redevelopment was about the same time as his citizenship/ uk business issues. That was a few years after the Battersea and EC proposal.
As far as I am aware there would be no issues with the current owners renaming the club subject to Premiership/ FA approval. What would happen to Stamford Bridge if a move away did happen would be interesting. I am 100% convinced that the CPO could NOT finance the safety upkeep of the site. That is another reason why I think the CPO could find itself in a difficult position if the owners decided to move away from the bridge.
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01 Apr 2025 12:41:18
Tom
If qw moved away against the CPO's 'wishes' and renamed ourselves, could the CPO sell the land and pocket the money,
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01 Apr 2025 14:47:39
I can’t exactly remember the articles of the CPO but I very much doubt it. As far as I remember it can only ensure that football is played on the site it has no power to develop the SB site for any other purpose. Also, I’m not sure if it’s allowed to make a profit.
The last time I looked there were about 13k CPO’s. Putting aside how many of those shares may be owned by proxy, I would guess that the majority would only consider staying on the SB site.
I personally have very little attachment to SB and would be happy to see us move away. I would very much like us to keep the name CFC so I guess I want the CPO to agree with any new development proposal.
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01 Apr 2025 15:14:23
Another question if you don't mind Tom.
If thexland is only for a football club, if we moved away to a new stadium againt the CPO's wishes, would the site remain derelict, I ask this as it is in the heart of London and I'm sure nobody in the area would like unused land around them.
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01 Apr 2025 16:19:47
Bill, as I’ve said before I can’t remember all the “articles” of the CPO but I assume that the CPO could let another club play football on the site. If it wasn’t used for football very quickly my guess is the ground would quickly fall into disrepair. The upkeep and safety of the site could be left in the hands of the CPO and in my opinion they could NEVER afford that as a continuous expense. As I have said the cards are not all held by the CPO.
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01 Apr 2025 19:39:26
Thank you Tom.
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02 Apr 2025 16:11:27
I hope we don't move, I love SB, I would knock down the shed and hotels and build a much bigger shed end to match the height of the east and west, that could get 50,000/ 55,000 capacity, put the away fans in the top corner of the east and just upgrad the rest of the stands. sounds easy enough x.
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02 Apr 2025 17:34:35
Was better with a dog track and no away supporters in the shed end. 😁.
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05 Apr 2025 12:56:38
Tom, I have always said that rebuilding a new stadium at SB was not feasible; the cost would be astronomical. Also, I doubt whether we would get planning permission. So, if the CPO blocked a move away “doing nothing “ is an option. I think the proposed Football Regular might have powers to veto owners changing a club’s name.
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05 Apr 2025 13:04:30
Steve, increasingly the capacity to 50/ 55 K will still cost a lot of money. There would be no point in revenue terms. If you are going to spend money on stadium development it needs to be fit for the 21st century and have potential for hosting events.
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08 Mar 2025 11:21:32
This may well be some regurgitated news but I have just picked up some video clips of Mudryk training with the first team squad. They are suggesting that this has been happening over the last few days!
This whole affair seems to have been going on for a hell of a long time!
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08 Mar 2025 16:59:52
If he was cleared Tom, I'm sure the club would have advise the fans.
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08 Mar 2025 18:44:19
Bill, I guess so but it’s all a bit strange and on top of it all he is named in our European squad.
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08 Mar 2025 21:18:25
Tom,
With so many players loaned, I'm surprised our tea lady is not included in the squad.
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09 Mar 2025 06:42:21
Blimey Bill I haven’t seen that headline.
“Chelsea tea lady (Flo) fails drug test. Faces four year ban from brewing a cuppa. ”
“Flo says she is completely innocent but her spuds supporting husband had left the marital home. ”.
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09 Mar 2025 08:53:33
Putin doctored her tea bags, said they were a threat to his Russian security, Donald Duck agreed and immediately put a tariff on them.
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09 Mar 2025 09:17:23
Love it Bill. You’ve got laugh!
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10 Mar 2025 00:43:57
Why would anyone care if Mudryk is back: he has been a disaster for the money we have spent for him.
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10 Mar 2025 01:42:18
I care.
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10 Mar 2025 09:46:59
Me too.
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10 Mar 2025 19:47:46
Me too. I think there is a player there. Let's not forget. Moved from a war stricken country, lost friends and family.
I want to see him succeed.
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11 Mar 2025 09:31:37
Totally agree Cfc.
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11 Mar 2025 21:48:55
I agree it's been a disaster jimbo but better to support him. He's our player.
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11 Mar 2025 21:55:11
feels absolutely deluded tbh. he's crap and its blatantly obvious to anyone non biased. my only worry is getting him out of the club as soon as possible.
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12 Mar 2025 11:35:52
He's clearly talented kazblue only a fool would suggest otherwise. Is he limited and a player with significant confidence issues? Probably but let's the support the player as a human being. Criticise the transfer all you like I think that's fair game but I think supporting your teams players is better than abuse (though I don't like this idea with players who are garbage people and racist)
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14 Mar 2025 16:04:23
Standard you have stated that he is a limited player with confidence issues: I agree but why would you spend that kind of money on a player with those issues, I don’t blame him, I blame our recruitment.
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15 Mar 2025 12:23:29
I agree with that jimbo. It was a silly signing like 80% of the signings.
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17 Mar 2025 21:05:46
talented in that he runs quick? sorry i just don't see it- he is not top end prem level and won't ever be- maybe he would be decent in a weaker european league ( turkey, holland, portgual)
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18 Mar 2025 09:17:36
I remember the full details of us signing by think we were one of several clubs interested in signing the lad. If I remember correctly the gooners supposedly had a £70m plus bud in the table.
Loads of supposed experts referred to him as a “generational talent” whatever that means.
Anyway, I wish the lad well.
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19 Mar 2025 20:37:13
doesnt seem the most likeble so i've not much sympathy for him being honest. more mebarrasing for fans as i've spent the whole time taking stick from mates over the signing.
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23 Mar 2025 07:54:48
Why are you so bothered about stick from your mates that chelsea brought him.
To behonest it's laughable that you are so bothered. Grow up. the world isn't going to end.
You have someone in tomb who sounds like his health isn't great and you come here whining about a player because your mate give you stick for it
Then you say that mudryk isn't allowed to suffer with confidence basically. No one was moaning when we pinched him from under arsenal.
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23 Mar 2025 21:33:40
im not bothered im just not deluded into thinking cos chelsea signed him he isn't a complete dud.
he won't be playing for chelsea for long and can be tossed on the pile with another big money flops with a terrible attitude and even worse performances.
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15 Feb 2025 10:55:15
Rumours that we are looking to sell Jackson hopefully not truw, think he would be really good playing wide with a top nos 9 in the middle
Certain players should be untouchable regarding sales Palmer Cacaido clearly two best players.
I would put Jackson Colwill Cucarella Lavia when fit in the next group.
If a first 11 player is sold for big money should be Enzo.
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15 Feb 2025 11:54:19
Seymns, I have long held the view that our current owners are running CFC as a business and that is fine.
My guess is every player at CFC has a price. I’ve said I no longer feel an attachment towards my club and that includes, sadly, the players.
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15 Feb 2025 12:21:36
Tom B same with me, I actually think i lost the close attatchment during the Roman years although we were succesful so many players came in, guess that has always been the case maybe it's an age thing.
Felt the closest to the team during the Dixon Speedie Nevin team guess it's a time of life thing football's importance lessens when wife and kids come along
Obviously still want us to do well.
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15 Feb 2025 12:40:08
Howcis it fine Tom, first and foremost CFC is a football club, the business should follow.
If they think they are running a business, my God they are hopeless at that as well, no FOS losing circa £40mil this season and every fan knows ww need a much larger stadium, again losing money each season.
I would like to know why in gods name our so called beloved CST and CPO thought they were the best people to take our club forward because at the moment, they are very poor owners to day the least, u would put them on par with the Glazers.
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15 Feb 2025 13:08:13
Bill, in my opinion they bought the club as an investment. They will run it as a business and if that means their core product is buying and selling players there is little we can do about it.
The stadium debate has been done to death and is hardly the fault of our present owners alone.
I have nothing to compare them with they have spent huge amounts of money, so I guess that proves some sort of desire for success. I guess I see them more like the spuds owners but on steroids.
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15 Feb 2025 13:11:22
Bill I think they are better owners than the Glazers maybe they are deluded as to to how easy it was going to be naive but they have put money into the team albeit spent badly. Would rather have them in charge than Oldham Jim at Man Utd.
It was always going to be tough to follow Roman obviously we won the CL with Tuchel but towards the end of the Roman years we were in decline.
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15 Feb 2025 13:13:32
Seymns, I think I started feeling detached when the Bates v Harding debate got out of control. The successful years under Roman were brilliant but when that regime started selling players that had come through the academy and who I thought we be the new foundation of our club it dawned on me that nothing has really changed from the days of selling Greaves to rescue the club or Ossie and Wilkins.
It’s the club I love so unfortunately I have to put up with some of the people associated with it.
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15 Feb 2025 13:24:49
TomB the Bates harding era was strange who knows what would have happened if Harding hadn't been killed,
My detatchment partly happened as I moved out of London and I don't get to the Bridge hardly at all these days.
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15 Feb 2025 13:31:33
Tom
I agree that we all love the club which is why we are so passionate about ownership, SD's, coaches and players both academy and bought.
I also agree with you on the Bates, Harding issue.
The present ownership, like Roman are losing money hand over fist so I'm not quite sure how they will get their investment back never mind making a profit which I know private equity like to do for their investors.
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15 Feb 2025 14:31:15
Bill, from what I have read there is an opinion that says our club was seriously undervalued when it was sold to our current owners. There is also a theouabout potential sports revenue schemes going through the roof in seasons to come.
The reported losses we very likely turn to profit as the clubs recruitment ambitions change over the next few seasons.
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15 Feb 2025 14:41:23
the owners will sell any player theyl profit from make no mistake about it and i would sell jackson he's not good enough like the majority of our squad.
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15 Feb 2025 15:11:22
Any chance on selling our SD's and Maresca?
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15 Feb 2025 16:16:35
Seymns and Bill, I knew Mathew Harding reasonably well and he wasn’t the nicest person in the world and on the other side we had Bates who was maybe one of the most difficult people in the world. It was always a recipe for disaster.
Just as a very small footnote the widow and family of MH played an important part in the transformation of CFC and that for me should never be forgotten.!
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15 Feb 2025 18:44:07
Regardless of there goal, whether it's building a winning side or a successful money making business, they're doing appallingly. We lost out on £40m this season with no fos sponsor and I can't think of a single player other than palmer who would definitely sell for more than we paid for them. Enzo, caicedo, neto, mudryk, fofana and more would almost certainly net us a loss. Doesn't mean they're bad players but there value is much lower than what it was.
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15 Feb 2025 19:20:03
The maths of the FOS sponsor is interesting. As I’ve said before and I am only guessing a one season deal even at £40 may not be as beneficial to a long term deal. Obviously the term of any deal will be subject to us potentially qualifying for the CL and our participation in the WCC.
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16 Feb 2025 10:15:22
Come on Tom really. There has been zero benefit to not having a sponsor this year no matter how it's spun. If we get a multi year sponsor next year, it won't be 'we'll done' it'll be why didny we get a short term sponsor?
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16 Feb 2025 10:24:49
Tom
We will definitely participate in the WCC, for how long that's another question.
Regarding qualifying for the CL, forget it, we are 6th and sliding fast.
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16 Feb 2025 13:33:33
I am not “spinning” anything. I have made it clear several times that mathematically there could be a financial case for not agreeing to a long term FOS deal. i have also made it very clear that I am guessing.
I have no idea if a short term FOS deal was available without including the WCC but I am happy to except any information on that subject. My guess is that adding the WCC to a long term deal and a potential campaign in next season’s Champions League would offer one hell of a lot of money. Of course there is also a risk attached to such a commercial decision.
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16 Feb 2025 15:54:44
As Greavesy used to say: “ It’s a funny old game”. Every PL club will have to pay£1 million to the PL for their legal costs and cock-up with APT rules and Everton and Forest each paid £2 million to try and get themselves relegated. Football was the peoples game because no matter how poor you were you could play and it was affordable to watch for working people. Those days are gone but look at Germany where the fans have a majority shares in their clubs. A season ticket for Bayern Munich can be bought for £104 ( obviously long waiting lists) The president of Bayern, Uli Hoeness commented about Bayern’s refusal to increase ticket prices said: “ we do not think fans are like cows, who you can milk”.
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16 Feb 2025 16:26:34
Jimbo, I had no idea that is the ST price at BM. What brilliant value and what a heart warming comment from there president.
A West Ham supporter mate was telling me the other week that when the owners of the happy hammers put forward the case for moving to the Olympic stadium was an increase in stadium capacity would bring down the price of seats and ST’s. Apparently the reverse has happened.
Moooooo.
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16 Feb 2025 20:41:46
I’m on not an account but a brief look at the BM accounts would suggest they have about £100m more revenue than the gooners, £150m more than the spuds and about £200m more than us.
They also have about fifteen players being paid more than €200k per week.
The strange thing is even if we increased our revenue to the BM levels I couldn’t see us bringing down our ST prices.
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16 Feb 2025 23:00:37
Can I ask why Colwill? I think he’s been a massive disappointment. He’s good on the ball but his defending is awful. He’s so weak!
I do agree that Jackson would make a quality left winger as he still has so much to his game. We missed a trick not singing Jhon Duran he’s going to be a brilliant striker. So complete for a youngster and he’s a great target man something we desperately lack right now.
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03 Mar 2025 21:41:13
Imo I have long known tomb as a hypocrite. When you state the obvious, he downplays it only to turn around and admit it later. I had long time ago said that the boely and Co are only interested in the business aspects of the club and not on the pitch success as roman did. But came in heavily on their defence against it.
Now he's telling us that he had long seen that the new owners are this and that.
Saw some reports that the fans on ground, not tombs, were on some protests against how the club is headed in wrong direction since boely and Co. We will constantly be on the case else we are becoming a shadow of the club we were. Some claim to be more Chelsea than the rest but are just delusional.
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04 Mar 2025 08:18:40
Tussle, can I suggest that you spend less time worrying about my opinions and posts and more time supporting the club.
I didn’t attend the Southampton game so I no personal knowledge of the protest you mentioned but I am told it was a bit of a damp squib.
I would have also thought that the club being successful would have been good news for the owners business investment.
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11 Feb 2025 17:12:45
Does anyone - perghaps one of the Eds? - know whether there is any truth in the rumour that CFC may be wanting/ willing to sell Santos in the summer to the highest bidder for 'pure profit?
I hope it isn't true - and that is just paper news stiirring things up - given AS's great performances for Strasbourg and of course for Brazil youth teams. He seems to have worldy potential. Also because one fears that Lavia may never be fit for very long.
{Ed001's Note - I don't know about wanting, but they will sell him if the right offer comes along. You could probably say the same about any of the players to be honest, from what I have heard.}
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11 Feb 2025 17:41:48
JBS, there was a rumour pre January window that a club (no name given) was prepared to offer £160m for Palmer.
I personally don’t like the term commodities to describe a person but that’s how I think they are considered.
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11 Feb 2025 18:30:50
And that's why Tom, we will not be successful. We needed a settled squad to grow together.
If we wanted to sell players, I would put the ones who are forever injured, first.
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11 Feb 2025 19:42:42
Bill, you may well be correct but it’s not as if we didn’t buy and sell players under the RA ownership.
All clubs get injuries but it’s when the same players keep getting injured it becomes a concern. As I said a few weeks ago, it’s a tough decision to draw stumps on a players Chelsea career but making those decisions is why they get paid the big bucks.
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11 Feb 2025 20:46:50
Tom yes players have been commodities for a long time now in terms of being traded by clubs. What worries me with new owners is that this trading has not only been surcharged in terms of volume but also that it does not seem to have prioritised creating a winning side any time soon. Instead it's become as much if not more about trading for for bottom line accounting sake. We sell Gallagher and buy Felix to then loan him out. Maresca belatedly says he wanted to keep him and perhaps he did but then why give him so little EPL game time? We buy Veiga then sideline Chilwell then loan out Veiga removing cover for Cucurella at LB then spend money on bringing in a 16 yr old striker from Kazakhstan. An investment in the future? Vision 2030 again? Who knows but how about 2025?
I can just see so little logic in far too much of our transfer business.
Was loaning out Santos in CFC interest or other owners' club Strasbourg?
Is Sanchez who Poch didn't particularly rate better than Petrovich who he did but then gets loaned to Strasbourg where he shines?
Bottom line is do the new owners care as much about success on the pitch as Roman A. Or more about success with the bottom line in accounting terms itself
Yes but do they not know that GETTING ECL football would likely do more for bottom. line playersvhan tradingng in kids?
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11 Feb 2025 21:16:08
Really good points JBS.
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11 Feb 2025 22:07:58
JBS, I have said many times that in my opinion the owners have gone too quickly in taking on what is a complete rebuild of not only the first team squad but also the supporting structure but I will maintain that the club was overdue that restructuring.
I am absolutely convinced that our current owners not only care about success but also crave it. I cannot for one moment believe that they don’t want to increase the value of there investment and the best way to do that is to be consistent winners and habitual champions league qualifiers.
I’m not sure I like the idea of buying/ investing in 16 year old kids but that is a different subject. In the last window I think the spuds signed three (one from us) academy players from other clubs. As is often the case clubs act like sheep and it would appear that a significant percentage of clubs are looking more and more at youth as the way forward. Maybe it’s a PSR thing but as I said in a recent post how many premiership clubs have paid a transfer fee for a player over the age of 25 in this last window? I’m struggling to think of any!
Time will tell if the owners approach pays dividends but generally in the world of football ownership these are early days and remember they made a complete horlicks of virtually everything at the beginning of there tenure.
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12 Feb 2025 10:05:38
Tom
I agree that we have sold youngsters in the past. However, we had a large number of experienced players as a nucleus of our first team.
Likewise, other teams are bringing in youth as you say., However, they have a number of experience in their first team squad, that is the difference.
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12 Feb 2025 10:55:38
Bill. I’m not saying that the current trend is correct or that having a mixture of youth and experience wouldn’t be a better way to go. I’m just pointing out what appears to be a pattern.
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12 Feb 2025 11:59:18
Spot on Bill we have got rid of all our experienced players bar James - and some sidelined on loan.
Belayted thanks Ed001 for your comment and Tom I am sure the owners want the club to succeed as they have made a huge investment in it but one is questioning whether they've got the right ideas about achieving this in last few seasons where we crying out to have experience in key -spine of team of you like - positions alongside youth. Look, with right decisions in the summer - and if we have qualified for ECL so we can attract the best we need eg top striker and retain the best we have - we could move faster in right direction.
Right now and with ECL v far from guaranteed my feeling is our medium term fate in the balance. It could all go well with ECL qualification and good summer transfer dealings. But if we don't get ECL qualification perhaps we will have to sell the likes of Santos or - as you have suggested - even Palmer and it will feel like a struggle all obver again to get back to chgallenging for big trophies and to have really got 'our Chelsea back' that we were singing lustily in the Southampton away game.
{Ed001's Note - very welcome JBS. I do think I should point out that you might have different ideas about what success is than the owners though. They are looking at it as an investment to make money, I am not so sure they see success on the pitch as all that vital. Which I disagree with personally, but it does seem that it is about trading players to make a profitable enterprise, rather than about putting the best players possible on the pitch to win trophies.}
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12 Feb 2025 12:15:59
Good point to emphasise Ed001 and thanks for it. Yes if owners care more about trading to gain profit rather than success on the pitch - though you would think that they should realise success on the pitch would help with profits and dealings - then we have to be very worried as fans.
{Ed001's Note - these are not football people though JBS, they are investors who are new to the sport and see it from an American sports perspective. US sports franchises are money-making machines regardless of results.}
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12 Feb 2025 12:16:55
JBS, I haven’t suggested we will sell Palmer, I have said there was “rumoured interest. ”
I keep saying and this is only my view that the players are a commodity and I believe we have to get used to our favourite players being available for sale.
I also assume that the club will make more revenue if it wins trophies and that’s why I think our current owners would also like to win competitions.
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12 Feb 2025 14:14:17
Tom I think we all hope you are right. But what do you think of ED001's additional point - one it is hard to disagree with from myn perspective - that our woners are not footballing people ie so may not have the passion that owners who are have for success on the pitch above all?
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12 Feb 2025 15:31:10
JBS, as usual us fans are only guessing but they are a very rich group of people who seem to have a passion for sports investments and making money.
I have no idea if they are truly in love with “soccer” but my guess is they are truly in love with money. Again just me guessing but if they win trophies with Chelsea for example the potential increases in revenues are huge. The club also becomes globally more appealing if it wins trophies and that again brings in more revenue.
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15 Feb 2025 07:01:24
I have been screaming on here that boely and Co are not working to make Chelsea great again on the pitch winning games. I said that the club had been hijacked and might never be the same again but tomb and likes were there deceiving themselves with plenty talks.
The policy of buying only young players is just the profits from the sale and not to get the club back on top boely and Co were the worst possible owners from the bidders but the enemies of the club who taken the political advantage of the war in Ukraine chose them to Bury the club overtime. Roman was targeted and I still think he might return to the club again.
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04 Mar 2025 11:43:24
Tussle, I have always assumed that if there is football success then the value of the owners investment will improve.
I have also assumed that any investment has been made to achieve a profit and that includes the buying and selling of players.
Pre our present owners I have also referred to players (same at most clubs) as commodities.
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06 Feb 2025 11:18:13
A mate has just told me the Chelsea and Mudryk have received verbal notification that the "B" sample has returned negative. He there will be no announcement from the club until they receive written notification.
I personally think my mate has picked up an old rumour but hey ho!
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06 Feb 2025 16:50:59
It would be wonderful if this rumour was true if only especially for the player himself. But it would a pretty rare example of a B sample being negative I think.
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06 Feb 2025 18:31:39
The B sample is seldom different. Also, the results of the B sample are usually known within a week of the A sample. The Mudryck story simply disappeared.
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06 Feb 2025 18:33:13
JBS, spot on and hence my doubts about it being true. I’m not sure if there is a thing as “marginal” in a drugs test but I think that is the more likely situation.
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06 Feb 2025 18:33:28
"Mudryk’s B Sample is expected back in January and, if positive, the Ukrainian could face a four-year ban"
Well January is over and still no news. Very strange.
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06 Feb 2025 21:48:11
This rumour apparently started few days ago on twitter / X and wasn’t by a journalist, someone just starting rumours, more so for MM I hope he gets back playing soon.
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07 Feb 2025 16:52:40
Strange that Mudryk is still in the Conference squad. I suppose there could be a rule that makes it pointless to take him out.
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10 Feb 2025 14:46:25
The odd normal half reliable sources have also picked this up, no idea if it is true.
But it is undeniably strange that it is taking so long, I did read an article that if is B sample was negative and the A sample was positive due to cross contamination in the testing this would open a huge can of worms and invalidate previous tests no idea if this is true
Apparently B samples that are negative are in the 3-5% range
Also strange that the story has gone so quiet.
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03 Feb 2025 17:12:48
Seems as though we may still be paying half of Chilly's wages at Palace (ie 100, 000 of the 200, 000 pounds per week) .
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03 Feb 2025 17:54:04
I suppose the alternative was to pay him full wages and get splinters. Personally I would have kept him in the squad as Cucarella cover.
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03 Feb 2025 18:13:03
Tom
Maresca would not have played him even if we only had nine players to choose from, that's how stubborn the man is.
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03 Feb 2025 19:21:25
I'd have kept him in the squad and played him Tom. His experience surely useful to youngsters.
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03 Feb 2025 20:15:23
It's just bad business imo. Surely at that point you'd just keep him? This is another thing that annoys me with the 7 year contracts. What happens when this happens and the player still has 5 years remaining on x wage? The bomb squad didn't work, just had adverse affects imo.
Sad to see chilly go, injury prone but when fit the best left back in the epl imo.
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03 Feb 2025 23:16:16
I would have kept Chilly as cover only for Cucarella. I think fans should remember how bad Cucarella was when he joined our club and for whatever reason it took him time to find his feet. In my opinion he is now one of the best left sided defenders in Europe and a long way in front of Chilly.
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04 Feb 2025 08:41:08
I agree tom. I think he put in some of the worst chelsea performances ever, worse than bakayoko. He's fantastic now.
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04 Feb 2025 09:15:47
He is a very good example (me included) of why its beat not to rush to judge.
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04 Feb 2025 17:55:58
Absolutely tom. And I do think you told me that when I was criticising his performances. Very glad he was able to find some performances, and he's exceeding my expectations.
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06 Feb 2025 08:38:59
Cucurella was always a good player but did put in some bad performances as did many of the squad. However, I am a great believer in the saying “ You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear”.
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06 Feb 2025 09:07:40
But you can make a sows ear out of a silk purse!
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11 Feb 2025 09:09:09
I disagree that cucurella is a long way in front of Chilwell. Chilwell is better in offensive position, final third.
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03 Feb 2025 15:24:14
Is Felix likely to be sold or loaned to AC Milan? Is Disasi likely now to stay at the Bridge?
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03 Feb 2025 15:45:23
Loan with no buy option for Felix.
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03 Feb 2025 16:52:22
While i liked felix, every man and his dog knew it wasn't going to work. A favour for his agent, I suspect.
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03 Feb 2025 16:53:06
So with Felix and Veiga going to Italy on straight loans, if they do well, come the end of the season it will be 'they want to stay in Italy and play for us but we can't afford to buy them, how about another loan'.
Before we know it we have more littke Lukaku's running across Italy.
We never learn with Italian clubs, we are their charity organisation.
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03 Feb 2025 17:09:43
The reports I’m reading on Felix seem to be so different. One is saying straight loan with full wages paid plus €6.5m loan fee. I would be happy with that.
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03 Feb 2025 18:13:59
And another loan next year Tom?
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03 Feb 2025 19:28:47
Talksport reporting 5 million loan fee for Felix but Milan paying his wages. I enjoyed watching him and wonder if we really gave him a chance. Suppose if he does well at Milan we will just sell him or indeed loan him out again.
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03 Feb 2025 20:17:54
Unfortunately I don't think there's a way back for felix. There wasn't a spot for him 6 months ago and there won't be one 6 months from now. Great player on his day and I hope he reaches atleast half what his potential was.
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03 Feb 2025 23:18:20
I think it depends what happens to Palmer. If a ridiculous offer comes in for CP, Felix would be a reasonable replacement.
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04 Feb 2025 15:24:30
Bill, they’re paying £5m as a loan fee for 6 months so if they want a loan for the whole season next year it’s £10m. Easy money and would count as a profit for the year in the accounts as his amortisation fee is around £7-8m I believe.
With Veiga Chelsea only paid £12m for him and are getting £4m as a loan fee. Any Italian club could afford to buy him at the end of the season easily, but I’m sure the club would love to keep farming him out on loan if that’s the fee they’ll get for just 6 months given the massive profit.
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04 Feb 2025 18:18:36
fuser, good point and good economics.
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03 Feb 2025 10:10:40
We are alsa said to be pusihing for 19 yr old Turkish striker Kenan Yildz of Juventus for c 75 million who is described as a forward (mainly left winger) and attacking midfielder and one of the most promising talent in then world.
Any legs in this one? Do any of the Eds have any info on CFC likely dealings today (we are all thinking of ED02 of course at this time, bless him) .
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03 Feb 2025 10:25:45
JBS, I think if that amount of money was available in this window we would have signed Tel. We apparently offered BM a loan with an “obligation” to buy. That for me tells a story.
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03 Feb 2025 10:36:49
Interesting Tom, if not very encouraging in terms of our fortunes right now and how we might be seen by talented players with options like Tel. If we want success in terms fe being genuine EPL challengers and really competitive in ECL any time soon we clearly need to qualify for ECL this season as we all thought we would come emnd of last one.
Hugely hope we can and will as you think we will Tom. But am sticking with my miserable 5th to 9th position at the moment and just praying its 5th and that will be enough! Mind you a hammering of the Hammers tonight plus trabsfer window uncertainties over tomorrow might just set us on right course again for last fourteen games after this one.
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03 Feb 2025 12:21:48
JBS, as I said in a previous post, I’m not very optimistic about getting a result tonight.
I would rather the club get the right player than do what it has been doing and from the outside it’s like doing transfers because we can.
I think we may well sign a midfielder in the last mins of this window but for me that in some ways is crazy when we could just have brought back Santos.
Anyway only a few more hours of transfer rumours. Hooray!
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03 Feb 2025 12:43:45
Couldn't agree more Tom. Almost every reported transfer seems to hinge on, or at least involve, a Chelsea player going the other way. We can read between the lines.
Despite what Maresca might say, Champions League qualification is an absolute necessity this season.
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