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05 Feb 2024 07:31:08
This is probably just wishful thinking on behalf of the sender and I personally hope it's not true but I've just been messaged by a mate who says there is a strong rumour of a 9am board meeting being called. My bet would be that this is just normal procedure and people are making 2+2=5.

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05 Feb 2024 09:48:43
Tom

Hopefully it equals 4, this cannot continue with a toxic atmosphere at the Bridge, it just will not help with player confidence.

I wanted Poch to succeed and I believed he was the right person to guide these youngsters but his tactics, substitutions and him coming out stating his job is not safe suggests that he feels his time is up and maybe the players know it as well.

I'm sure TS's wife also does not help matters and I won't be sorry to see her ho at the end of the season.

04 Feb 2024 16:39:04
Quick question for any of the Eds is pochetino now under pressure for his job after several poor displays and making it look like were worse off than last season.

{Ed002's Note - Pochettino is at risk because of results - he is working in a difficult environment and someone advising the club is suggesting a change is needed which someone else is suggesting continuity.}

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04 Feb 2024 22:36:42
Shambles.

04 Feb 2024 20:00:12
If you do not mind me asking ed, who would be of interest if they were to pull the plug on poch, are the club now aware that they have clearly made some disasterous mistakes in the transfer market and if so what in gods name can they do to rectify the mess theyv put together since taking over its a really strange thing how fast the club has fallen and how disattachted the fans feel from the circus.

{Ed002's Note - There is no point discussing this until the time is right.}

04 Feb 2024 20:10:57
Ed

When there is a difference of opinion, how do the owners make a decision one way or the other?

{Ed002's Note - They will discuss it involving a couple of advisors to the club and come to a decision.}

04 Feb 2024 20:39:55
I personally would give Poch the cup final and if we lose he should leave. Its disappointing as he seems like a decent all round guy and is being hugely let down by the group of players.

Ed can I ask who are other candidates being considered?

I honestly think we could have Pep in charge or a prime Mourihno and they would struggle with these players. The problem is far greater than manager and is down to the two muppets running our club.

{Ed002's Note - There is no point discussing options at this time.}

04 Feb 2024 21:27:23
Interesting Ed2, what are your thoughts about the whole situation? I just can't understand how badly things have gone.

{Ed002's Note - Injuries have played a significant part of screwing up the season.}

05 Feb 2024 09:18:44
I hope the 'advisors' aren't the same ones who were in charge of recruitment and the 'plan'

05 Feb 2024 09:29:20
Thank you Ed for your responses, I know it's tough to answer these type of questions from us.

31 Jan 2024 21:16:18
Ed002 are we still trying to get deals done in January?

{Ed002's Note - Many, many players will come and go today.}

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05 Feb 2024 06:30:41
What happened with many in goings and out goings last day od January transfer window? Or simply has financial issues coming in June due to shambolic amateur transfer policy?

28 Jan 2024 15:00:13
Hi Ed,

Is there any truth in this Callum Wilson talk?

I'm guessing a Broja replacement if it's true?

{Ed002's Note - I would nold your breath.}

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28 Jan 2024 15:42:55
Thanks ed.

28 Jan 2024 12:31:50
Ed002 dou you think broja will leavev in the next few data and we will sign a striker? And any other positions we could add a player? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - If a club makes an acceptable bid then yes he will leave - right now there has not been anything offered that the club would deem acceptable. The club have held discussions over replacements but may stick with the forward options they have until the summer with Deivid Washington given a chance and Nkunku and Jackson not toofar away from a return.}

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29 Jan 2024 13:05:06
Ed002 rumors that we might look to bring jonathan david in,? Any truth?

{Ed002's Note - Jonathan David (S/AM) Lille, like many French clubs were hit hard by the loss of broadcast revenue and will need to sell some of their more valuable assets even though they do not want to. Jonathan David is valued by Lille at an unrealistic €60M. Napoli and Spurs no longer see him as a possible addition due to his price. Real Madrid have previously declared an interest but their focus has turned away as they wanted to include a player in any deal. He has been recommended to Chelsea by an ex player but the club have preferred targets - although his agent remains very keen on the move and remains in discussions with Chelsea. The Manchester United coach tried to take him to Ajax and could potentially look to taking him to Manchester United but I suspect that option will soon be gone. Aston Villa or Milan may offer a viable solution but the fee is a huge issue.}

29 Jan 2024 13:32:09
Interesting, I do like him and his versatility Is a plus, can play Cf, in a two or wide if needed. Ed002 do you think a deal is possible in next few days?

{Ed002's Note - Lots of things are possible but Lille will not want to sell without adding a replacement - and the striker they are working on is an addition rather than a replacement. There are other options.}

25 Jan 2024 08:08:33
Are we having a collaboration or collection or sponsor with " Jordan " ( Nike ) ? They ended there partnership with psg and rumours are they want a London club?

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25 Jan 2024 09:22:35
Matt, rumours are it’s us or the spuds.

If I were a betting man and I am, I think it will be us.

25 Jan 2024 18:49:48
Tom, I understand they would prefer us but only if we get Champions League.

25 Jan 2024 19:21:54
would be a very lucrative deal for the club im sure.

25 Jan 2024 19:30:53
Lets be honest that is not going to happen this season.

25 Jan 2024 19:46:35
I’m not sure why it wouldn’t happen this season and I can’t believe believe that any of there would be just built upon this season. I think it will a deal done with the club that has the best vision an a management that listens to it’s sponsors needs.

25 Jan 2024 21:04:11
Tom

It pains me to say it but Spurs have a better stadium, are better run financially, are now above us on revenue earnt and on the playing field, play as a team where every player knows what's needed.

If I was investing at this point in time, I know where my money would go.

25 Jan 2024 21:38:49
Bill, I haven’t got a clue what criteria “jordan” will use to decide a future partner. Apparently there preferred club will be based in London.

Obviously the spuds have a better ground. I would dispute they are better managed.

I personally don’t believe a brand like “Jordan” look at a one season club on field performance. I would think it would be based on a clubs global profile and its vision for the future. We also have a twenty year history of winning trophies, a fantastic youth set up, along with a ridiculously successful womens team. I think our academy and women’s team rich history give us a massive advantage, as I’m sure that the “Jordan” (Nike) brand see that group as being entities they want to be associated with.

We also owners who are trying there best to demonstrate they want that winning attitude to continue.

Looking at it from the outside I would disappointed that a CFC couldn’t sell our club and its achievements over any other London based club.

26 Jan 2024 09:27:39
I suppose tine will tell.

26 Jan 2024 11:14:56
Chelsea do have the last decade on spurs that gives them the edge but take of the blue tinted glasses Tom. Spurs are absolutely better run than us at this point in time. Unequivocally.

26 Jan 2024 13:03:44
Standard, why do insist on making statements as if they are” fact”when it’s just your opinion and clearly people are entitled to a different opinion. Using the word “unequivocally” doesn’t make it a fact.

You have now said that both Liverpool and Spurs are better “managed” than Chelsea. Give me some facts to support that view and please not “only” the ins and outs of players. For your guide there is more to management than transfers.

26 Jan 2024 15:37:51
Bill, the last time I looked and I admit that was about a year ago the largest premiership team debt was Spurs. I think it was over £850m.

Probably because of the takeover of our club we were carrying no debt. It was reported that two other premiership clubs carried no debt and one other club in Europe.

Of cousre those reports may well have been incorrect or just inaccurate.

26 Jan 2024 16:08:37
Bill, I should have added, I’m definitely not saying debt is a bad thing or a sign that a club is poorly managed.

I’m not in a position to make any such judgement.

26 Jan 2024 16:56:45
Companies/ Brands won’t spend millions on sponsorship deals unless they get exposure at the highest level: for football that is the Champions League.

26 Jan 2024 17:28:22
My guess would be a brand/ sponsor will look at the performances of any clubs first team over a period of years. As I already said my guess is they will look at our current global brand that is based on a 20 year winning history along with an assessment of potential future success.

As I’ve also said, the WHOLE club will be evaluated by any brand/ sponsor. That will obviously include the academy and women’s team.

Any decent sales salesmen ought to be able to put a positive spin on our clubs winning history and future.

26 Jan 2024 19:26:21
Tom, yes you’ve already made that point.

26 Jan 2024 20:43:35
Teams who haven’t qualified for the Champions league for many seasons over the last twenty plays years seemed to have done ok picking up brands/ sponsors for large fees.

I seem to remember a poster say that we have qualified for the champions league 17 times in the last 25 years. I think he also said that was more than any other premiership club. We have won more trophies than any other English club in the last twenty years. I also think the poster mentioned that spurs had only qualified for the Champs league 7 times and won the league cup 15 yeaes ago. I think that’s there only trophy in twenty plus years.

If the choice is just for a London team I would be very disappointed if it wasn’t us.

26 Jan 2024 23:06:55
Tom, you always challenge posters to provide evidence for their assertions. Who are these other teams who have not qualified for CL who have done OK? What is OK? You have repeated yourself: so I will too. Not qualifying for the CL has consequences; loss of prestige; circa £70 million loss of revenue; competiveness for sponsorship deals and the ability to attract players. As I said not qualifying for one season is not a disaster but if it becomes a habit…….

26 Jan 2024 23:34:48
Jimbo, yes you are poster repeating yourself. Of course not qualifying has consequences and that applies to all clubs not just Chelsea. The comparisons was with Spurs and as far as I know they didn’t qualify for the Champions league last season and haven’t so far this season.

Utd didn’t qualify for Champions League but got and retained sponsors/ brands.
Liverpool, the same.
Arsenal, the same,
The Spuds, the same.

It was YOU that used the phrase “only if we get Champions League”.

27 Jan 2024 03:41:19
Sorry Tom, do I really need to explain it. liverpoil and spurs have lower wage bills than us and have spent less money, and earn more money than us. I'll compare here over the last 5 years

Chelsea
Net spend : 673 Million pounds for 4th, 4th, 3rd, 12th and 9th (current)
Wage expenditure : 128m
Revenue 504m

Spurs
Net spend : 461 million pounds for 6th, 7th, 4th, 8th and 5th (current)
Wage expenditure : 91m
Revenue 541m

Liverpool
Net Spend : 218 million pounds for Champions, 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 1st (current)
Wage expenditure : 134m
Revenue : 582m


We have history on our side with trophies but it's also expected you win more trophies if you spend more money. Objectively, spurs and Liverpool at this point in time are better run than us. I can't believe that's even up for debate.

27 Jan 2024 08:47:53
Standard. I can’t believe you think it’s not up for debate. Maybe a red and white tinted glasses thing!

I appreciate the figures you have produced to support your argument but in the same way I said substantial debt isn’t a bad thing or that a club is poorly managed, I assumed the same would apply to other monetary metrics.

As you correctly say in my opinion there is an expectation that if you spend more you should win more. If that is the case then the simple way to judge success (not management) would be to divide nett spend over a period of time against trophies won.

You have chosen to use a five year period for your financial comparative. Obviously Spurs have won nothing, I’m not sure but I think Liverpool have won three pots and we I think have won three.

Of course we could use the same equation, nett spend per trophy over a twenty year period. I seem to remember reading we have won 23 trophies over that period I think Liverpool was 11 and the Spuds 1.

For balance it could be argued that both the scousers and spuds have had significant spends other than players. The spuds obviously built a fantastic new stadium and the scousers spent a significant amount on there training ground plus had a huge stadium upgrade. Those choices don’t definitively mean they are better managed.

I have tried to make my point as balanced as I can. I’m not sure there is an accurate way of measuring success. Maybe it is nett spend for every trophy won? While over the last twenty years that would probably support the Chelsea owners having been good managers, I think that is far to simplistic but from a supporter’s perspective I haven’t seen a better way of measuring management.

“I can’t believe that's even up for debate”.

27 Jan 2024 12:54:06
Tom, over tge last 20, we've been better managed. However, under the new owners, we've absolutely been worse managed. That's what I'm stating is crazy to even debate. Would you really disagree with that? I think I'd struggle to find many who do.

27 Jan 2024 13:39:28
You may think it’s “crazy even to debate” as if your opinion is in some way correct or superior to other opinions but I would suggest your use of dismissive language does not make you correct. In fact it just makes you sound condescending.

If you are so DESPERATE to comare our current owners to clubs like Liverpool then do it factually.

How many years did it take the current owners of Liverpool to win a trophy? I’m only guessing but as they always seemed to be in the depths of gloom I would think it was probably several years.

I’m not sure the current owners of Spurs have EVER won a trophy as I’m not sure who the owner was 15 years ago but in your eyes they are better managed.

I’m sure there is some numerate clever clog poster that can tell us why each trophy has cost each club over the last twenty years. As I’ve stated that may well be a reasonable way of measuring successful management for fans but it wouldn’t match my personal criteria. There are lots of things going on at clubs besides the success or failure of any first team. They all need to tested and measured before any conclusion can be made about a management team.

FGS try and be a bit balanced and if you are determined to make comparisons then compare like for like.

Our new owners bought a club that in my opinion was overdue a complete overhaul. I personally think they have tried to do to much to quickly but that’s a totally different issue. That was roughly 18 months ago and you have already written them off. Truly amazing!

27 Jan 2024 16:57:06
I seem to remember that FSG had the fans on their backs during the early period of their tenure.

I beleive like Tom, we needed a complete overhaul and a number of high quality youngsters have been brought in and I believe we will have a top quality team for a number of years to come

I think where it went wrong was not bringing in an experienced ST and CB.

Going forward once we get the ST and CB needed, there will only be minor tweaking.

27 Jan 2024 17:19:50
Bill, I do seem to remember that early period of ownership wasn’t full of joy. I have said I’m not sure how long it was before they won a trophy under there management/ ownership.

I repeat, I don’t think the spuds management / ownerhip have ever won a trophy. ?

We all got spoilt when Roman took over and it was an instant success but that is rare.

27 Jan 2024 23:08:26
Read again Tom. Context is hard to achieve through text but you seem to misunderstand entirely every single time.

Currently, we're worse managed and I don't really see how that's up for debate. We've spent a billion pounds and we're in 8th. We sacked a champions league winning coach by paying him out, spent 20 million to buy potter from Brighton, sacked him and paid him out too. Brought in lampard and finished 12th. Then, we failed to sign a striker (the market is hard so that's understandable), missed out on a player who'd be a gamechanger (rice) and were now in 9th.

That's not writing them off, that's not supporting another team or whatever, that's jusy being honest. Good news is they clearly care and I do believe they will turn it around as long as they learn from there numerous mistakes.

In that time, spurs have risen above us in revenue and in stature, though almost certainly only temporarily.

Liverpoil have been the second greatest premier league team ever.

I'm not talking about 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago, I'm talking about now. And if your really trying to say we've been better managed I think you need to sit back and think about it mate. No problem being a mega fan but come on your irrationality is a bit too out there lol.

27 Jan 2024 23:16:48
Tom

I agree Spurs have only won one trophy and that was against us.

I'm looking at all aspects, and I think all round, they are a stable club, that's not to say we won't be in a year or two so it will depend when Nike/ Jordan want to invest.

28 Jan 2024 06:49:23
Standard, its no me who has used the term “unequivocally” or the phrase “you can’t believe it up for debate” or “your just being honest” or “crazy even to debate” or “irrationally”.

28 Jan 2024 07:50:47
I’m sorry I sent that post a bit early.

Apparently Liverpool are now “the second best team EVER. ” Plus Spurs have now risen above us in “stature. ”

Spurs are at this moment in time collecting more revenue than us They have only won a single trophy in over twenty years, didn’t qualify for Europe last season but now have more “stature” than us? That statement seems bizarre to me.

While your never ending references to a player who now plays for the gooners is boorish, it’s also inaccurate to say “we missed out on him, ” as far as I know we never bid for him. Liverpool did miss out on Lavia and Caicedo because supposedly they did for them two players.

As far as signing goal scorer is concerned, I truly believe the club thought they had signed at least one, he unfortunately has been injured. Should they spent more and bought another one? With hindsight, yes.

The current owners of Liverpool didn’t get there first team performing or winning trophies for several seasons. The current spuds management I don’t think have ever won anything.

Also, your total focus on judging the qualities of a management team is on the first team. There is more to managing a club than the performance is a men’s first team. On all other performance metrics I would suggest we are superior to Spurs or Liverpool.

Management in my opinion, should be judged over a period of time. Have our current owners made mistakes, yes. The management of most clubs make mistakes so nothing unusual there.

Using your narrow argument if we finish (unlikely) above the spuds our management should the quality as superior to there’s. That conclusion would in my opinion would also be wrong.

Fans generally judge a team/ club solely on its first team performance and the trophies it has won and while I “personally” think that measurement is to narrow it’s just the way it is. On that measurement we have been the most successfully managed club for years.

Your dislike for our current management is just your opinion. I think you dislike is based on far to short a time and only considers the men’s first team performance at a small moment in time.

Your dismissal of my argument as being “blue tinted” or “irrational” or because I’m a “mega” fan is disappointing but not surprising as you think the subject is “not for debate. ”

In the same way I judge a player over time I will judge our new owners over time.

28 Jan 2024 08:00:56
Bill, as far as I know it’s just a rumour that Jordan/ Nike are choosing between us and the spuds.

This is probably just me but I would be astonished if they make a decision based on a small period of time.

I would think this but I do think we have a far stronger brand history and global stature than Spurs.

My guess would be that any successful bidder will have to sell a vision of its entire club. This will inlude the past, present and future. I think we have a strong product to sell and I promise that is just my business head speaking.

28 Jan 2024 11:28:30
Tom

As always there are several excellent and accurate points you make.

Like you I'm sure that in a season or two, we will be a force to be reckoned with again indeed we are already putting a consistent run together which would be much better with an experienced striker and CB.

I take your point that it was thought that we had already signed one however even last season he was injured for most of that one in Germany.

I still can't get my head round why we as a club have so many long term injuries.

28 Jan 2024 11:54:12
Bill, Our ongoing injury tally is a concern but it’s been a season that a lot of clubs have suffered with what seems like a long lists of injuries.

I do wonder if there should be a review/ investigation on the types of injuries, when in the season the majority of injuries occur and how many games/ mins a player is being asked to play.

28 Jan 2024 14:22:13
It would be interesting at the end of the season if there will be a list of injuries each team had including more than one injury to players ie James Gusto etc.

22 Jan 2024 15:11:57
Ed002 a lot if reports saying we are willing to sell or loan broja with an obligation to buy for £35m - £50m. True? And Would we let him go without a replacement coming in? Or will someone come in January if he goes? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Armando Broja (S) Wolves, Torino, Fulham, Crystal Palace, Milan, West Ham and Napoli remain keen. Brighton and Besiktas interest has gone. Chelsea do not wish to loan the player without the obligation to buy and will look to discussions with the player, but have discussed a part exchange with Benfica. He is a very good player but the Cruciate Ligament tear that kept him out for a season was followed by a small injury that led to him missing a couple more games. Chelsea are giving him minutes as he eases back to full fitness just to be careful but they cannot offer him the playing time he wants. If there were a loan or sale this month it would be dependent on Chelsea adding a striker, perhaps even a short-term solution, this month - which is of course possible and something may happen in the coming days. Broja has the advantage of being Home Grown as well.}

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22 Jan 2024 18:52:55
Edd02 when you say short term option do you mean a loan? And which players? Any names you can possibly give? Is Benzema a real possibility? Maybe durant or Wilson from Newcastle? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - A loan is an option as it is difficult to sign players in January and preferred choices may not be available.}

23 Jan 2024 22:18:10
I think a loan would be great for him in the prem. and for us. See if he really can do it.

21 Jan 2024 08:40:32
Early days I know but IM who has started in his LB role has been doing extremely well and is already a firm favourite with the Dortmund fans.

Another £35mil player, Dortmund will buy and probsbly sell on for double they pay.

From our part it will be another one we let go whilst keeping CC, an injury prone Chilley and playing Colwill out of position.

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21 Jan 2024 09:06:06
Bill, that’s a bit harsh.

The Colwill at LB thing I see more as a Poch tactic as he believes we need that extra person who can head the ball defending corners and free kicks.

Cucarella had reported problems last year but generally this season, even when being asked to play as a RB have been good. It’s a shame he got injured.

Chilly has been injury prone. Fingers crossed that’s all behind him now.

Maatsen looked a good player for Burnley last season but I think he only has about 18 months left on his contract. He probably should have been given more playing time but I can see why the club will end up selling him.

21 Jan 2024 09:59:10
Sorry to be harsh Tom but perhaps if Poch has played IM as LB, he might still be with us and signed a new contract.

21 Jan 2024 10:32:44
Bill, I may well be wrong with my guess that Poch preferred Colwill at LB rather than Maatsen was for the reasons I’ve given. I would also guess that we may well see something similar with Chilly.

I think if Chilly starts games with Colwill then I expect Colwill will play “almost” in a three.

21 Jan 2024 12:21:32
I just hate to see a young player leave because he is not given a chance in his preferred role especially with the injuries we have had in that position.

21 Jan 2024 13:15:22
Bill, I agree but we don’t see them in training. I would have liked to have seen him play more in Chelsea blue. I guess these are decisions that managers get paid for and judged on!

21 Jan 2024 13:37:50
Tom

It's strange that he seems to be playing well for Dortmund but not for us in trying, could it be our coach's issue.

21 Jan 2024 14:03:21
Bill, I think he has only played one game for them.

I hope he caries on playing well.

21 Jan 2024 16:36:43
I could be wrong but did he sign an extension before leaving for BD.
Ed could clear that up.

{Ed002's Note - Yes he did.}

21 Jan 2024 17:19:37
As Ed confirmed, IM signed an extension to his contract however Dortmund have an option to buy for £35 mil I believe.

21 Jan 2024 18:04:38
I always get confused with these contracts and contract extensions. I thought it was extended to 2025 but if it’s 2026 so much the better.

19 Jan 2024 15:34:27
Ed002, have you heard anything about the club's plans for Sterling and Cucurella this summer? Many thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Sterling will depend on specific arrival and it will be similar if the club can sign one of the preferred LB targets.}

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22 Jan 2024 12:30:05
Thanks Ed.

19 Jan 2024 12:01:54
Hi Ed, hope you're well. Just wondered if Chelsea held any interest in Gonçalo Ramos?

Lots of "rumours" flying around that PSG might look to loan or sell this month.

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - What, as an Nkunku replacement?}

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19 Jan 2024 12:16:08
Hell no! Just in general.

16 Jan 2024 20:00:41
Any truth in Chelsea looking at benzema on loan until the end of the season? I think that sort of signing could be a season changer for us.

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17 Jan 2024 09:52:28
Not for me, wages far too high and how motivated would jecbe going back to Saudi in the summer.

17 Jan 2024 10:42:12
all day every day who cares what wages he's on we won't be paying?.

17 Jan 2024 12:36:29
Poch, at some stage wages are likely to matter.

17 Jan 2024 18:36:23
Not to us fans.

17 Jan 2024 22:19:19
They will matter to the club.

18 Jan 2024 10:03:53
thankfully that's not the fans issue so we can dream right?.

18 Jan 2024 10:05:47
Sterling is on an obscene wage and cannot inspire the team yet you can not get a world class striker for the short term. English fans are UNIQUE indeed.

18 Jan 2024 10:52:21
Wages do matter perhaps not so much for loans as the expenditure is finite. PSR will make clubs look carefully at wages. As for us we have a few players on extremely high wages. Only players who have proven themselves as elite/ world class should be payed anything close to 300K and we don’t have any of those.

18 Jan 2024 11:41:57
I'll

Two wrongs do not make, a right.

18 Jan 2024 14:39:55
English fans are not “UNIQUE” but like all fans of most teams, I’m sure they all dream.

Clubs and layers decide wages. I personally have NO interest and I will leave that to the people involved.

18 Jan 2024 16:10:30
Sterling should be sold end of season.

18 Jan 2024 16:41:50
I think top goal scorers should have a goal to game ratio about 2:1. I think wide players should look to have a 3:1 ratio. These ratios are based on a career not a season.

For lots of reasons I hope Sterling scores 15 goals
plus this season.

19 Jan 2024 07:07:32
That’s a lot of goals Tom, I don’t even know if Mbappe could score 3 goals a game as an average in a lower league.

19 Jan 2024 10:04:16
fuser, I guess the way I presented that post could be confusing.

So, one goal in every two games for a main striker and one goal in every three games for a wide player.

 


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