Chelsea banter 2

13 Apr 2024 10:32:33
If the report that Chelsea Holdings had sold a hotel for £76m. It's a very clever trade.

{Ed002's Note - Why would that be? It has been sold to a subsidiary company.}

13 Apr 2024 17:25:06
Ed

Do you know why we sold our hotel assets to the owners subsidiary company?

If its nor PSR related, why would we take this action.

{Ed002's Note - It is a case of reallignment and a means t to try ant reduce PSR issues.}

13 Apr 2024 21:42:19
Bill, as I mentioned earlier the Ben Jacobs article gives HIS view of this issue.

13 Apr 2024 21:56:08
Thank you ED.

13 Apr 2024 07:39:07
{Ed's Note - Anonymous Woolback has posted a new article entitled, Is Jurgen Klopp Burnt Out At Liverpool FC?

12 Apr 2024 15:12:49
£75m on agent fees in the last year, £15m more than next highest which was city,

12 Apr 2024 15:43:16
That can hardly be a surprise as we were more active in the market.

12 Apr 2024 16:38:25
Agents generally take up to 10% as a fee. Considering we spent like 700m or so it’s not really surprising.

12 Apr 2024 18:22:27
Not a surprise but what a racket, the leagues and governing bodies really need to get a grip of this.

13 Apr 2024 08:51:21
Taken to the cleaners with our spending.

13 Apr 2024 10:05:47
“Spending” i personally love to splash the cash but not necessarily on “cleaning. ”.

13 Apr 2024 10:55:18
I hope we spend another 1 billion in the summer. The reaction of the pundits and trolls will be priceless.

13 Apr 2024 11:54:44
You can see some journos love trying to hammer us, martyn zygler for one, Matt law has gone salty on us since his boy mount left.

12 Apr 2024 13:24:02
Apparently, the home grown players we are looking to sell are digging their heals in a nd will only move when it suits them.

If thatvis the case and they miss the 30th June deadline then we should also dig our heals in and demand the price we want as it will not affect this year's financial accounts.

With CG who has only one year left on his on his contract, if he does not sign a new one and does not move before the 30th June, we should dig our heals in with Spurs ( the only ones I know at the moment who wants him) and demand a high price as we did with Mount.

12 Apr 2024 14:19:43
Bill, if a player gets the package he is looking for and likes the idea of playing for a certain manager and club then my guess is they will agree to move.

I would suggest there is a bit of mischief making by certain outlets. I also have no idea if there is a genuine need to sell players pre June 30th.

12 Apr 2024 13:20:31
Hi eds, hopefully one of you could answer. I know the majority of fans are fed up and don't understand the injuries that have happened, is it bad luck, mentality, bad coaching or something else, it's so frustrating, most of the season we've had our first choice back 4 out and nkunku and lavia.
Surely this will be addressed and fixed asap

Hope you all have a great weekend.

{Ed001's Note - it is always a mix of things, some will be bad luck, some will be down to poor work ethic in training, some will be down to the training not getting them fit enough. Others will be the wrong type of training for them, as we are all slightly different and need a different training to get us fit. It can be diet as well, though players get looked after while at the club, when they go home they can often be eating completely the wrong things. Or they might not get the rest they need. Even things like sitting too long playing video games can cause injuries. The reason some of those bizarre injuries happened in the past where players ruptured things stretching for a TV remote etc is often because they were slobbing out on the sofa and their muscles were tightened. Which is another potential issue - do they do enough stretching? There is just so many potential issues that you really need to examine them one by one to find the problem.

One thing that usually holds true is that a large number of soft tissue injuries (hamstring pulls etc) is almost always caused by a lack of fitness. That usually means the training is not tough enough. In my experience, overtraining has never ever been an issue, it is always undertraining. The only people who claim overtraining is a problem are always those trying to sell their services as fitness trainers and their systems are always nonsense and to be avoided. The human body can do so much more than it is pushed to do at a football club. Just look at what triathletes etc put themselves through compared to a footballer. Or ultramarathon runners etc. The issue is not the actual training, it is more down to the travel, which affects rest and makes the traveller have to sit still for long periods.}

12 Apr 2024 14:29:52
Ed, interesting point re travel and rest. I have a pal who works in an industry adjacent to football and he has said he's heard anecdotally that the use of sleeping medication is far more pervasive throughout the game than is being publicly acknowledged.

Do you have any insight into whether this is the case or not? I know it isn't strictly related to the injury issue so if you'd prefer not answer I understand.

{Ed001's Note - it is very much so, many players have addiction issues related to sleeping pills.}

12 Apr 2024 14:36:34
Many thanks Ed001 to your typically well thought out and full reply to Steve's question which we have all be thinking about in recent times. Hopefully the CFC players as well as coaches, fitness trainers etc will read it!

{Ed001's Note - you would expect them to know all these things anyway and be working on the issues. Tailoring diets and fitness work etc. But one thing they need to do is push players harder - there is a reason that Cristiano Ronaldo, who used to do hours of extra fitness training a day, was very rarely injured. Same for Salah. Age catches up on them but they are much fitter than the average player and, as a result, suffer less injuries.}

12 Apr 2024 14:48:13
Thank you Ed, much appreciated.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

12 Apr 2024 14:52:31
Excuse the pun, but what a nightmare. I have first hand experience of what it can be like becoming dependent on sleeping aids and it really is debilitating. I hope long term that those players are able to access the proper support they need.

{Ed001's Note - it can be very difficult when you are struggling to sleep, but these players should be automatically given help to teach them how to sleep. It is possible to learn how to sleep using relaxation techniques. They should be taught them in the academies and at the club. They get them together all the time for meals now, simply to make sure they eat properly once a day. But sleep is more important than diet, yet there is little work done on making sure players sleep properly.}

12 Apr 2024 15:06:33
Precisely Ed, CBT techniques massively helped me and should be far more widely available to players who have entire entourages looking out for them. Also in case anyone reading this is having these issues, magnesium before bed can be beneficial.

{Ed001's Note - there are so many things that can help, but the easy thing is just to hand a player a pill and let that do the work. It is a particular problem with modern medicine.}

12 Apr 2024 15:31:10
I was going to suggest JD and Coke but I guess some of them might forget the JD.

Seriously, sleep deprivation for any reason is a major problem for so many. My consultant says people reporting sleep issues are far higher after C.V..

12 Apr 2024 15:32:42
Regards to the injuries, there was interviews and bits before poch joined us from players he’d managed from Southampton and spurs saying they had some lots of injuries in poch first season because there was a lack of fitness and conditioning, how poch would do lots of intense training / running, usually day / training session before a game. They also said that come the second season the injuries improved massively, there were also bits about tuchel didn’t bring his fitness / conditioning coaches from when at psg and nor did potter, maybe explaining since June 2019 we have had 296 injuries,

12 Apr 2024 15:47:13
Matt, I wouldn’t have a clue but the 296 figure you have quoted, two questions 1) how does that compare to other teams? 2) How many managers/ coaches have other high injury teams had over a similar four year period?

12 Apr 2024 16:33:17
A fitness consultant I know says that UEFA has done some research into Injuries and have found that certain injuries are more prevalent where managers and fitness staff are changed on a regular basis.
Thing is I don't remember this being such a major problem under Roman but I guess we went through three managers in a year under the new lot.

{Ed001's Note - didn't you usually keep the same fitness coaches in place in Roman's time?}

12 Apr 2024 16:40:49
We did have some consistency with some coaches and assistants.

I’m sure there are a lot of factors to take into consideration. It does appear that a lot of teams have suffered a high number of injuries and I would like to think that a general review of injuries within football might take place as well as an in-house Chelsea review.

12 Apr 2024 18:37:34
Tom, I knew you would suggest a JD, but seriously a wee dram now and again to help you sleep is probably less damaging to your health than sleeping pills.

12 Apr 2024 21:31:20
Ed001, you have made some interesting points about injuries. Footballers generally are the most fragile of all professional athletes. They at the highest level are cosseted by the clubs from the realities of life e. g players ringing the club if their car brakes down. It always surprises me that players come in after a rigorous medical and are then out for lengthy periods with injuries. Obviously a medical can’t predict a soft tissue injury caused by under training or lifestyle issues. I do though have concerns about the Lavia situation . This is not just a problem at Chelsea.

{Ed001's Note - I do believe the cosseting contributes to the injury problems. They have life far too easy and that makes it difficult to work hard on your own. That's why so few do extra training. The chance to just play a bit more football a day would be a godsend to most of us, but to them it is work and they can't be bothered.}

13 Apr 2024 08:53:19
Which is why the the 8 year contracts were ludicrous.

12 Apr 2024 09:36:03
For those interested there is a nice run down of potential Chelsea targets Ed02 has give on the Real Madrid page.

12 Apr 2024 10:15:13
Thanks for that.
I am surprised we have interest in so many players given the alleged financial situation.
Presumably the club must be confident of selling quite a few players this summer.

12 Apr 2024 10:56:28
I think I listed ten players that I think will be leaving the club in the summer.

12 Apr 2024 14:35:25
A treasure trove of info - thanks for highlighting, Tom.

The three things that really caught my eye there were the notes on Tchouaméni, Onana and Cucurella.

12 Apr 2024 21:55:22
Glad that were showing interest in world class players such as Alphonso Davies and Vinicius Jr albeit neither would probs be interested in coming to us.

13 Apr 2024 09:53:16
whitey, that’s one of the consequences of another season without CL football. It sometimes can be overcome by having a charismatic top class coach but we don’t have that either.

13 Apr 2024 10:49:51
Let me know when you find an available and “charismatic” coach who will make a difference to our signing of any players.

13 Apr 2024 14:06:08
Tom, I didn’t suggest there is a one! I suggested it as an alternative to CL football to attract top class players and that we don’t have a charismatic top class coach.

13 Apr 2024 15:22:09
Not for the first time I’m confused. Us not being in the Champs League will apparently stop players joining us, so to compensate for a lack of signings we employ a “charismatic” manager who will attract players?

13 Apr 2024 19:23:02
Tom, it was a simple point, if a club is not in the CL it is more difficult to attract top class players particularly if they are used of doing so. Sometimes players might be attracted to a club by a top coach who has a record of achievements . We have neither going for us at present. You may not agree with my opinion but I don’t understand why you are confused.

13 Apr 2024 20:59:50
I wasn’t looking for agreement, I was seeking clarification hence the question mark.

{Ed002's Note - I was a huge fan of Question Markt and The Mysterions.}

13 Apr 2024 21:45:33
I got so drunk in Prague once apparently on some strange cocktails that for a long while I thought I was a mysteron! I suppose it explains a lot about my latter life as an Elf.

13 Apr 2024 22:51:43
I was more of a Stingray person.

12 Apr 2024 07:39:11
{Ed's Note - BarnetNige81 has posted a new article entitled, Current thoughts on Chelsea FC

11 Apr 2024 22:05:31
Potentially not good results for the English coefficient.

11 Apr 2024 21:53:28
Gasperini would do me as our next manager. Took the scouse apart. love it.

11 Apr 2024 22:07:17
Not a good result for the Premiership or Champions League qualification positions.

11 Apr 2024 22:14:51
I don't care about that Tom, doesn't effect Chelsea.

12 Apr 2024 04:07:47
It might well affect Chelsea.

11 Apr 2024 17:43:34
The only way Chelsea can improve is to switch back to 3 in the back line. 3-4-3.

11 Apr 2024 19:21:54
Chelsea will improve in my opinion when players are fit and that brings about competition to start in games.

11 Apr 2024 20:19:54
Agreed, we don't even know our strongest 11 and best formation yet due the atrocious injury levels we have seen this season.

11 Apr 2024 21:29:47
We don’t even have 3 fit CB’s rn ?.

11 Apr 2024 21:54:56
Quite Frankly I don't agree.

12 Apr 2024 11:07:48
Why don't you agree G8?

11 Apr 2024 17:39:14
Went on Twitter or X and it's nothing but nanglesmann, is that becuase amorim is likely going to Liverpool and his other option for us or was there some scoop somewhere, I can't see anything other than wishful thinking,

I'm reading up and watching stuff on Arne slot, no other reason that he was Ed's preferred choice before poch and again for other jobs like United.

From outside he has done superb at feyernood.

11 Apr 2024 19:03:02
Matt, there is also a very strong rumour that the club were not impressed with Nagelsmaan in a previous interview and will not be looking at him again.

Shame if true because he was my first choice last year.

11 Apr 2024 21:33:34
Pretty sure both Nagelsmann and Amorim were interviewed and considered before appointing Poch. Reports seem to say Amorim looks close to signing for Liverpool. So would make sense we’ve moved back to Nagelsmann. Ed mentioned Slot but no idea if the club have considered him. Apart from those there aren’t too many managers making the rounds.

11 Apr 2024 21:54:04
fuser, I agree.